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I'm thinking of switching from using CDs in my car to SD cards or something like that. My wallet of CDs is pretty big and doesn't fit in the glovebox so slides around on the floor plus half of them don't work too well. I was thinking of buying a few 1GB SD cards ($50 on ebay) and copying selected CDs onto them. The only problem is I don't want to lose quality, I had a CD in the car of songs that came from MP3s and they sounded really crap. Is there a compression format that sounds ok? Is the microsoft or apple format better than MP3. Thanks, Michael > I'm thinking of switching from using CDs in my car to SD cards or something > like that. My wallet of CDs is pretty big and doesn't fit in the glovebox so > slides around on the floor plus half of them don't work too well. I was > thinking of buying a few 1GB SD cards ($50 on ebay) and copying selected CDs > onto them. The only problem is I don't want to lose quality, I had a CD in Blech, I have the problem that two of my favorite CDs (CD-R media) with about 15 tracks or so, crap out with ERROR-04 in the 'lux CD player (A Sony), at around track 3 or so when driving over speed humps, etc. Bought ones tend to be OK. > the car of songs that came from MP3s and they sounded really crap. Is there > a compression format that sounds ok? Is the microsoft or apple format better > than MP3. Any data loss compression is bad, it's just a matter of what is good enough.  Signature-------------------------------------------- 4x4 Hilux Auto Service Centre, BP 106 Timbuktu, Mali (West Africa) Tel: 292 91 52 Specialising in turbo diesel and R290 aircon -------------------------------------------- > Blech, I have the problem that two of my favorite CDs (CD-R media) with > about 15 tracks or so, crap out with ERROR-04 in the 'lux CD player (A > Sony), at around track 3 or so when driving over speed humps, etc. > Bought ones tend to be OK. Fair warning. Visit your dentist. You Hi Luxen owners are gold to dentists for replacement fillings. Or is that Mercury. Or somethin. You heard the stories of alchemists trying their arses off to turn Quicksilver to gold? Well, the dental profession have managed it in spades. Pity the crap they use will kill us all early. (Sardonic note: So far it's killing us late enough that we've finished being the 'earners' by then. So, the sh.t won't hit the fan until their victims start dying out in life's more err productive times. Probably a couple more chemical additives in food might tip that balance.) :-) SignatureToby. quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur >>Blech, I have the problem that two of my favorite CDs (CD-R media) with >>about 15 tracks or so, crap out with ERROR-04 in the 'lux CD player (A [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > You Hi Luxen owners are gold to dentists for replacement fillings. > Or is that Mercury. Or somethin. Prolly good advice, I think I have a cracked off tooth at the back lower left (fairly sure I do). Heck, Im a redneck though and won't go near 'em. Ceramic fillings might be the go for those dentistes that know about them. Meh, at least the Ulnar nerve thing is getting back to normal tonight. Signature-------------------------------------------- 4x4 Hilux Auto Service Centre, BP 106 Timbuktu, Mali (West Africa) Tel: 292 91 52 Specialising in turbo diesel and R290 aircon -------------------------------------------- >>>Blech, I have the problem that two of my favorite CDs (CD-R media) with >>>about 15 tracks or so, crap out with ERROR-04 in the 'lux CD player (A [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Meh, at least the Ulnar nerve thing is getting back to > normal tonight. Just fork out around $4k per tooth and go the implant track, better than your old teeth they say. (Not sure that Id spend $120oddK on teeth though, you can buy a lot of soft food for that sort of cash.) > Fair warning. > Visit your dentist. > You Hi Luxen owners are gold to dentists for replacement fillings. > Or is that Mercury. Or somethin. If your dentist isn't putting white fillings in your teeth go somewhere else. I believe some dentists are using the old techniques but there's absolutely no reason to do this. Michael just go get a car cd mp3 player and load up mp3s onto the cd-r or cd-rw. Much more common than car stereos that take sd cards and probably a lot cheaper solution. easy to have a few cds full of mp3s in the car. If you really need heaps of storage, there are also some affordable stereos that will play mp3s off of DVDs which hold heaps of music. mp3s normally aren't to bad quality if you encode them at a reasonable bitrate. Not really any noticeable difference from the original cd. If yours sounded crap, it was probably burned from crap low bitrate/quality mp3 files > I'm thinking of switching from using CDs in my car to SD cards or > something like that. My wallet of CDs is pretty big and doesn't fit in the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Thanks, > Michael > just go get a car cd mp3 player and load up mp3s onto the cd-r or cd-rw. > Much more common than car stereos that take sd cards and probably a lot > cheaper solution. easy to have a few cds full of mp3s in the car. If you > really need heaps of storage, there are also some affordable stereos that > will play mp3s off of DVDs which hold heaps of music. That is one option although CDs are pretty big compared to an SD card and SD cards are not mechanical at all and much easier to copy music onto with the option of changing later. > mp3s normally aren't to bad quality if you encode them at a reasonable > bitrate. Not really any noticeable difference from the original cd. If > yours sounded crap, it was probably burned from crap low bitrate/quality > mp3 files I believe they where encoded at 128kbps but you could be correct in that they were recorded incorrectly. I've had a listen to a couple of other 128kbps mp3s and they sound ok on my PC although I can tell they are compressed. I'm no audiophile so would probably be happy with just a slightly higher bitrate mp3 but was wondering if the MS, apple or sony format is better. Michael http://www.vorbis.com *.OGG files are better than MP3,ogg players will not be an easy find in Australia if at all,still a lossy format, http://www.doom9.org/faqs.htm WMA is supposed to be a non lossy format,possibly more to your liking when playing with SD cards and custom devices. WMA is bound to be supported by a car player,custom device? > http://www.vorbis.com > *.OGG files are better than MP3,ogg players will not be an easy find in [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > when playing with SD cards and custom devices. > WMA is bound to be supported by a car player,custom device? Most car MP3 players will also play WMA files My Pioneer P4650MP unit does I can't hear any real noticable difference between the WMA and MP3 versions of the same song I rip my MP3s at 256kbs so they usually sound quite good, the drawback is that you can only get around 100 songs on one disk Kev I think if you amp it right up,clarity will prevail with something like WMA,not that it matters much when bombing around the country side with wind noise,traffic,noise and other interference. I ripped some Satellite radio streams down to 128kbs MP3 and was quiet impressed playing them on a computer. I feel that I can tell a difference between 128kbps bitrates and CD-Quality. Seems to lose some Highs & just subtle sounds. I always rip at a minimum of 160kbps, and sometimes higher. All my CDs basically are "backups" nowadays, and I too have been thinking of another system to store more, even to the point of rigging up a computer under the seat with a 200gb harddrive, but then it's the interface and having to buy an LCD to use. Anyway, I'm sure there will be a million options in the next 2 years, so for now I'll just stick to the 15-20 songs per CD. On another note, is it just me, or do all the major radio stations share the 2 CDs of songs between each other? I've been listening to 91.5 lately just for a little bit of "difference" Signature-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jyetara German Shepherds - http://www.jyetara.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> just go get a car cd mp3 player and load up mp3s onto the cd-r or cd-rw. >> Much more common than car stereos that take sd cards and probably a lot [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Michael >> just go get a car cd mp3 player and load up mp3s onto the cd-r or cd-rw. >> Much more common than car stereos that take sd cards and probably a lot [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > slightly higher bitrate mp3 but was wondering if the MS, apple or sony > format is better. If you are happy with 128kbps then you aren't very discerning since that kind of compression completely munts the reproduction from the original source. Try 192kbps to reproduce something approaching the quality of the original source. I personally think WMA sounds better then MP3, and OGG is certainly better but not as well supported. > >> just go get a car cd mp3 player and load up mp3s onto the cd-r or cd-rw. > >> Much more common than car stereos that take sd cards and probably a lot [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > I personally think WMA sounds better then MP3, and OGG is certainly better > but not as well supported. Did all our CDs at Q10 ogg. Just play 'em off the hard disk. It's a real shame ogg isn't supported by in car CD players. 8" woofers, 5" mids and motorola tweeters with 2 x lm380 IC amps (soon to be lm384) SB live sound card, alsa drivers, sounded OK with Q6 but redid them all at Q10 and it is noticeably better. Al SignatureI don't take sides. It's more fun to insult everyone. http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html > I'm thinking of switching from using CDs in my car to SD cards or > something like that. My wallet of CDs is pretty big and doesn't fit [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Thanks, > Michael Any mp3 that is at least 128kbit and 44000hz will be indetectable from a normal cd to the human ear. Mp3 is the best format because its universaly compatible and sounds the best. I suggest you buy an mp3 player and transfer all onto disks full of mp3's And dont buy an SD card before making sure you can plug it into your current cd player. > Any mp3 that is at least 128kbit and 44000hz will be indetectable from > a normal cd to the human ear. That's simply not true. Experts can *easily* pick 128kbps mp3s in blind tests. > Mp3 is the best format because its universaly compatible and sounds the > best. I suspect it's not. > I suggest you buy an mp3 player and transfer all onto disks full of > mp3's > And dont buy an SD card before making sure you can plug it into your > current cd player. I'll have to get a CD player with an SD slot. >> Any mp3 that is at least 128kbit and 44000hz will be indetectable from >> a normal cd to the human ear. > > That's simply not true. Experts can *easily* pick 128kbps mp3s in blind > tests. You'd have to have pretty bad hearing to not be able to pick it. Even encoded at 320kbps MP3 is audibly worse to audio CD. Oh, and for the OP - SD cards may not be your best bet. They have a limited read/write life; they will just die one day and that's the end of them. High quality single-layer memory cards will give you 100,000 cycles; cheaper brand multi-layers might only give you 10-15,000 cycles. MP3 CD would be your best bet; encoded at 256 or 320kbps for good quality. Sure, CD's are big these days, but you'll fit 100-200 songs on one CD instead of 20. Or you could just go down the Ipod road, fairly common these days. -mark >MP3 CD would be your best bet; encoded at 256 or 320kbps for good quality. >Sure, CD's are big these days, but you'll fit 100-200 songs on one CD >instead of 20. Could always go the road of DVD audio,fairly cheap these days if imported from asia(ebay.com.au) >Or you could just go down the Ipod road, fairly common these days. Crappy mono-sterio things....little sister got one of these and spends all day encoding DVD's to fit on it...what a waste of time,not only are they compressed they are veiwable on a 2 inch LCD....arrhggh hate em. > Oh, and for the OP - SD cards may not be your best bet. They have a > limited read/write life; they will just die one day and that's the end of > them. High quality single-layer memory cards will give you 100,000 cycles; > cheaper brand multi-layers might only give you 10-15,000 cycles. 10k cycles would be plenty still. By the time I play music from the same piece of memory 10,000 times, terrabyte cards will be available and I'll want to update it anyway :-) Michael > I'm thinking of switching from using CDs in my car to SD cards or > something like that. My wallet of CDs is pretty big and doesn't fit in the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Thanks, > Michael Buy a new Alpine that has a plug socket for your ipod. > Buy a new Alpine that has a plug socket for your ipod. But is the apple format the best? Michael >> Buy a new Alpine that has a plug socket for your ipod. > >But is the apple format the best? Depends what you mean by "good"( err, "best"). It's good in that, because it contains DRM, the record companies are happy to sell you music in this format, meaning you don't have to buy an entire album for one track. In terms of quality, AFAIK it's not significantly better than any other lossy compression system. If you're just looking at ripping your collection of CDs, I personally don't see much advantage in any one format over the other, and think it depends on what hardware you currently have, and the format of the music you currently have. Clearly, if you have an iPod full of Apple format music, you'd want an Apple format compatible player (or an adaptor). OTOH... Neil --- Neil Fisher / Bob Young Thundercords personal opinion unless otherwise noted. Looking for spark plug leads? Check out http://www.magnecor.com.au "Neil Fisher" <NeilFisher@_NOSPAM_magnecor.com.au> wrote in message > Depends what you mean by "good"( err, "best"). It's good in that, > because it contains DRM, the record companies are happy to sell you [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > music, you'd want an Apple format compatible player (or an adaptor). > OTOH... I have an ipod shuffle which is really good but it's only 512mb and probably wouldn't sound that good plugged into the car. I think a lot of these units modify the sound to compensate for weaknesses in the headphones (such as adding more bass). I did a bit of a search and it appears the MS format is the best that is likely to be supported and 96kbps is meant to give a good quality sound. Check this link: http://ekei.com/audio/ Michael [...] >I have an ipod shuffle which is really good but it's only 512mb and probably >wouldn't sound that good plugged into the car. I think a lot of these units >modify the sound to compensate for weaknesses in the headphones (such as >adding more bass). Does it have the iPod accessory "port"? If so, you can get a non-equalised "line out" adaptor. >I did a bit of a search and it appears the MS format is the best that is >likely to be supported and 96kbps is meant to give a good quality sound. Ah - WMA format. You're not falling for their "Plays for sure" slogan, are you? Not sure it'll actually play on an iPod - something you'd likely want to check, since iPods don't play MP3s either. Oh, and 96kbps in WMA is roughly the same "CD Quality" as 128kbps MP3. I don't get these DRM people - you can burn a song onto a CD x many times, but not more??? Err, really guys, you haven't thought about that, have you? It's not like anybody would rip the newly burnt CD into a different, non-DRM format, would they? No, of course they wouldn't. OT (but not much): Just as an iTunes store will give you another copy of music you've payed for if you lose it due to HDD failure or similar, did you know that most record companies will replace a CD that's accidently damaged for you too? Neil --- Neil Fisher / Bob Young Thundercords personal opinion unless otherwise noted. Looking for spark plug leads? Check out http://www.magnecor.com.au > Does it have the iPod accessory "port"? If so, you can get a > non-equalised "line out" adaptor. No, it's the pov pack ipod. Just has a usb and headphones. > Ah - WMA format. You're not falling for their "Plays for sure" slogan, > are you? Not sure it'll actually play on an iPod - something you'd > likely want to check, It definately won't play on an ipod but I wasn't planning to. > since iPods don't play MP3s either. Yes they do. > Oh, and > 96kbps in WMA is roughly the same "CD Quality" as 128kbps MP3. Probably. Michael > I'm thinking of switching from using CDs in my car to SD cards or > something like that. My wallet of CDs is pretty big and doesn't fit in the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Thanks, > Michael if u listen to a lot of cds, music in your car, maybe this site might help out http://mp3car.com/ car computer might be the answer.??? milo |
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