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Car Forum / Australian Car Forums / General Car Topics (Australian group) / March 2006WTF is with the Brisbane 'accidents' these past two days?
Is the change in climate? Bad burgers? Weird vibes in the aftermath of TC Larry? Nutsowhacko beam weapon being tested from space? (Not a problem for me because I have a tin hat.) Monday, some tool rolls a truck at Mackenzie on the gateway. No big problem, you say. But it was for me, since I was being chauffeured about by a character that decided against my ever so delicately put advice to avoid that bloody road near midday like the plague if possible. Result, aver 1.5 hours wasted time. Then today, again in the middle of the day there's a prang and resultant traffic snarl at Breakfast creek. And later one on KSD. Two major traffic stoppers within a few hours of each other. Managed to avoid those areas alright, but I shouldn't have had to do that. Weather couldn't be more amenable to driving these two days. Buggered if I can figure what's going on, but I'm beginning to notice that prangs seem to increase in both number and severity whenever there's an appreciable change in weather. Like, from generally warmer to generally cooler for instance. Anyone notice a trend like that? Or maybe there's a problem for these oafs where in light traffic conditions they get to drive too fast for their tiny minds to cope with 'situations' that develop? I note with some interest that there is a spate of prangs very early on our Ipswich road, M1 and Bruce, and the F3 and F4 (is it the one from Blue Mts) in NSW and IIRC the SE and Tulla in Melbourne. Once the traffic slows due congestion, the prangs stop, because no bastard is moving fast enough to do any damage. But this crazy stuff in the oddle of the day has me baffled big time.  SignatureToby. quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur > Nutsowhacko beam weapon being tested from space? > (Not a problem for me because I have a tin hat.) > But this crazy stuff in the oddle of the day has me baffled big time. I have it on good advice that there is a disrupter beam being tested by the Qld panel beating industry. Breath easy, as long as you wear foil and/or cover your headlamp lenses with foil you are immune. > Or maybe there's a problem for these oafs where in light traffic > conditions they get to drive too fast for their tiny minds to cope > with 'situations' that develop? Brisbane drivers are sh.t. Welcome to the world of "speed kills" </end government safety message> Prehaps a little more driver training? NO! What we need is more speed cameras. > Perhaps a little more driver training? NO! What we need is more speed > cameras. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ What we need to do is INCREASE THE FINES. Let's say make speeding up to 15kph = $1000. between 15 - 45 = $2000 above 45kph = $5000 If the offender can't afford the fine, RTA should SEQUESTER and SELL the vehicle. In time, the speeders on the roads will all disappear from existence. -- PunishThemWhereItHurts >>Perhaps a little more driver training? NO! What we need is more speed >>cameras. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > -- > PunishThemWhereItHurts So then you get people being chased all the time as they can't afford the $1000 and go up a couple of categories to over 45kph and crash and kill someone. Brilliant plan of yours but it will increase the number of people failing to stop for the police. Btw I have driven at speeds up to 200kmh on public roads without getting a single speeding ticket or crashing at high speed. It was in the Northern Territory. I averaged 120km/h for ten hours in one driving stint and I took several breaks. It's not speed in itself that kills rather it is inappropriate speed and lack of decent driver training. Most city drivers can't drive properly on the highway and often underestimate the speed of approaching vehicles and the distance it takes to overtake a vehicle at 90 - 100km/h. I'mAnIdiotWithABrainTheSizeOfAPeaIThinkWeShouldIncreaseSpeedingFinesInsteadOfTrainingDriversProperly > So then you get people being chased all the time as they can't afford the > $1000 and go up a couple of categories to over 45kph and crash and kill > someone. Brilliant plan of yours but it will increase the number of people > failing to stop for the police. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I never agree with car chases in the first place. It wastes petrol and adds undue stress to our law enforcers. There are more creative ways of catching speeders who won't stop, to wit: - Road blocks; - Road spikes; - If all else fails, SHOOT THE SPEEDER before s/he kills someone else. > Most city drivers can't drive properly on the highway and often > underestimate the speed of approaching vehicles and the distance it takes > to overtake a vehicle at 90 - 100km/h. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ The fact that, as you say, most city drivers can't drive properly makes it more reason to strictly enforce speed laws. -- ADeadSpeederWillNeverSpeedAgain >> So then you get people being chased all the time as they can't afford the >> $1000 and go up a couple of categories to over 45kph and crash and kill [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > -- > ADeadSpeederWillNeverSpeedAgain Yes one of the problems with speed limits is lack of enforcement, but the other problem is silly limits which are often so silly they encourage people to ignore them and get the habit which is then extended to sensible speed limits. JD > Yes one of the problems with speed limits is lack of enforcement, ~~~~~~~~~~~ Speed cameras are installed in problem spots to enforce speed limits. > but the other problem is silly limits which are often so silly they > encourage > people to ignore them and get the habit which is then extended to sensible > speed limits. ~~~~~~~~~~ To a speeder, all speed laws are silly. S/he wants to drive as fast as s/he pleases. The challenge is to remove these speeders off our roads until they reform their ways. -- OnceASpeederButNotAnymore >> Yes one of the problems with speed limits is lack of enforcement, > ~~~~~~~~~~~ [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > -- > OnceASpeederButNotAnymore But wouldn't it make more sense to reform the system that makes them into speeders in the first place? The reason speeders ignore speed laws is that they have been educated that way by the fact that so many of them are silly. You take a new P-plater - he drives within his limit of 90 like a good boy (or girl) and pretty soon he finds that he is going slower than anyone else, which may be acceptable on a multilane road. But most of the state's highways are two lane, with limited overtaking opportunities, especially for heavy vehicles, and after a very short time with the bumper of a B-double a metre from his back bumper the P-plater will find his speed creeping up. By the time he is off his Ps he will have been thoroughly educated into ignoring his 90k limit, so he won't take much notice of any other limits either if he thinks he can get away with it. One new speeder created by the silly laws. And they are encouraged in this attitude by the ridiculous limits set in other places as well, such as 50k limits on major highways, and roadworks speed limits that have no end to the restricted area. (and often no roadworks apparent either) Speed limits are rarely enforced except in locations where high revenue is guaranteed. I might say that this does not apply to fixed cameras, which mostly are at real or potential black spots. In fact, because of the relatively low numbers of police and the mileage of roads in the country, it is impossible to enforce ANY road laws in most places, most of the time, so it is essential to have laws that most drivers can regard as sensible. JD > ADeadSpeederWillNeverSpeedAgain And a dead space bar can be replaced. Unless, of course, you're a f.cking silly twat like this little Asian ladyboy who thinks this sh.t is clever. -- Regards, Noddy. >>So then you get people being chased all the time as they can't afford the >>$1000 and go up a couple of categories to over 45kph and crash and kill [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > -- > ADeadSpeederWillNeverSpeedAgain So now we have the SAS out on the roads looking for speeders. You my friend are an idiot. Shoot to stop speeders would be the most idiotic statement I have ever heard. How many innocent people would get killed as some cop plays rambo and starts shooting people because they failed to stop for a ticket. Forget the fact that you have stated the police shouldn't chase them, how will they know where to put the roadblock or spikes. Strictly enforcing speed laws does nothing to fix the problem that they can't drive a hot nail through butter. Mate ask any of the cops on here and they will tell you that most accidents are caused by either people not paying attention, drink driving, or not driving to the conditions. Speeding may be a component of any of these as well but a well trained driver would not be speeding in an inappropriate manner. Knowing your limits as a driver and not exceeding them is half the battle. Just this morning one of my co-workers was hit in the rear by a driver who stated they were day dreaming. Speed was NOT the problem. Go do an advanced driver training course and hone your driving skills. You might just learn something. > Shoot to stop speeders would be the most idiotic statement I have ever > heard. How many innocent people would get killed as some cop plays rambo > and starts shooting people because they failed to stop for a ticket. ~~~~~~~~~~ Evading law enforcement should be grounds for getting shot at. > Forget the fact that you have stated the police shouldn't chase them, how > will they know where to put the roadblock or spikes. ~~~~~~~~~ A chopper can be used to monitor the motorists movement and alert ground enforcers to setup road blocks. It can be done. > but a well trained driver would not be speeding in an inappropriate > manner. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ There is no such thing as APPROPRIATE SPEEDING. A well-trained driver will respect speed laws. > Go do an advanced driver training course and hone your driving skills. You > might just learn something. ~~~~~~~~~~~ Besides advanced skills the other thing which needs changing is driver attitude towards speed laws. A bullet embedded in one's body might just remind someone to respect speed laws. -- OurLawEnforcersAreTooSOFTonCriminals >>Shoot to stop speeders would be the most idiotic statement I have ever >>heard. How many innocent people would get killed as some cop plays rambo >>and starts shooting people because they failed to stop for a ticket. > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > Evading law enforcement should be grounds for getting shot at. So as your driving down the street in your perfect Eunos or whatever which has a speedo that exceeds adr requirements and is 100% accurate at all speeds, Mr Plod sees you with his slightly inaccurate laser and concludes that you are exceeding the speed limit by .000001 km/h and decides to pull you over. Your paying attention to what is happening up front and fail to realise that he is trying to get your attention. Bang, you're dead. Teach him not to stop says Mr Plod. Oh and oops his second shot killed a little old lady walking home from church, too bad it's just collateral damage. The only grounds for being shot at is if you deliberately try and kill the officer. Being stupid should not be, otherwise you would have been killed years ago. >>Forget the fact that you have stated the police shouldn't chase them, how >>will they know where to put the roadblock or spikes. > > ~~~~~~~~~ > A chopper can be used to monitor the motorists movement and alert ground > enforcers to setup road blocks. It can be done. Sure it can but at what cost. How many fleets of choppers do you have on standby to chase people, and how well will they chase into a multi-storey car park? >>but a well trained driver would not be speeding in an inappropriate >>manner. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > There is no such thing as APPROPRIATE SPEEDING. A well-trained driver will > respect speed laws. They do that for sure. But there are such things as emergencies you know. >>Go do an advanced driver training course and hone your driving skills. You >>might just learn something. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > -- > OurLawEnforcersAreTooSOFTonCriminals But speeding is not a criminal offence. Shooting someone almost certainly is. >> So then you get people being chased all the time as they can't afford the >> $1000 and go up a couple of categories to over 45kph and crash and kill [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > -- > ADeadSpeederWillNeverSpeedAgain And here is me thinking DavidZ is the biggest f.cking idiot on this newsgroup. Fraser >> -- >> ADeadSpeederWillNeverSpeedAgain > > And here is me thinking DavidZ is the biggest f.cking idiot on this > newsgroup. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You mean a DEAD SPEEDER can still SPEED? -- HowIsThatPossibleD'uh? >>> -- >>> ADeadSpeederWillNeverSpeedAgain [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > -- > HowIsThatPossibleD'uh? Let's hope your idea on speeders isn't applied to the stupid. Or you wouldn't last 5 minutes. Fraser >>>So then you get people being chased all the time as they can't afford the >>>$1000 and go up a couple of categories to over 45kph and crash and kill [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Fraser He's got to have both hands in his pockets...8-) [snip troll] FFS, will you people stop responding to the troll. Faaaark! SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 The state of infrastructure in New South Wales is a disgrace. I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. >> Perhaps a little more driver training? NO! What we need is more speed >> cameras. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > -- > PunishThemWhereItHurts Don't have a clue do you ?. people don't normally care about the $ the way they care about the points , and its the points that matter if you care about the license system , so up the fines and don't be at all surprised when the chases get much worse and maybe you get a few coppers being badly injured . Simple fact is the system of driving punishment is corrupt and badly designed , in my state now you can be over the limit due to unforeseen circumstances and in second be with out a license due to a road works or similar road limit change... just plain silly. > people don't normally care about the $ the way they care about the points > , and its the points that matter if you care about the license system , ~~~~~~~~~~ People care more about money than points. You can easily drive unlicensed, but you can't fake being broke! :-) > so up the fines and don't be at all surprised when the chases get much > worse and maybe you get a few coppers being badly injured. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ No chases as I previously posted. > Simple fact is the system of driving punishment is corrupt and badly > designed , in my state now you can be over the limit due to unforeseen > circumstances and in second be with out a license due to a road works or > similar road limit change... just plain silly. ~~~~~~~~~~ It makes sense for speed limits to change due to road works. Road works signify changed road conditions: not silly at all. -- TheSpeedingIsTheSilliness >> people don't normally care about the $ the way they care about the >> points , and its the points that matter if you care about the license >> system , > ~~~~~~~~~~ > People care more about money than points. You can easily drive unlicensed, > but you can't fake being broke! :-) But all these people do is pay the fines off $5 a week. No hardship that. What the fines should be in community work. Hard fricken labour, work your fines out at $20 hr and do that much picking up litter or painting over graffiti, something that actually benifits the community not just gets the dollars out of your pocket. >>> people don't normally care about the $ the way they care about the >>> points , and its the points that matter if you care about the license [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > graffiti, something that actually benifits the community not just gets the > dollars out of your pocket. Another silly idea , how many people do you think will produce a medical certificate stating they can only do light work if any at all , your young right ? One of the axioms of Australian law is unreasonable punishment , and I might remind you the type of service you suggest has ALWAYS been unsuccessful .Lots of them don't even turn up . > One of the axioms of Australian law is unreasonable punishment , and I > might remind you the type of service you suggest has ALWAYS been > unsuccessful .Lots of them don't even turn up . ~~~~~~~~~~~ Yep, those community work won't work. But confiscating the speeder's vehicle will surely keep him/her off the streets. -- LessSpeeders:BetterRoadExperience "Just JT" <JohnnyThor@Hotmale.Com> wrote in message news:4429dcde$0$5637 > People care more about money than points. You can easily drive unlicensed, > but you can't fake being broke! :-) Christopher Skase & Alan Bond might argue this point :) -- Regards, Noddy. >> Or maybe there's a problem for these oafs where in light traffic >> conditions they get to drive too fast for their tiny minds to cope [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Prehaps a little more driver training? NO! What we need is more speed > cameras. Im sitting here debating whether or not thats a genuine post or a poor attempt at sarcasim. Speed cameras do not save lives. More visible patrol cars save lives, then again we should all go out and get GPR tracking and give the Police full access to view it and issue tickets on the data. Now a serious question: Is anyone here got kids that drive and would serviously install GPS tracking to help them hooning in thier car? > Now a serious question: > Is anyone here got kids that drive and would serviously install GPS tracking > to help them hooning in thier car? There is a device that logs data shown on Beyond Tommorow (IIRC?) with prezactly that purpose in mind. I'd be hoping the kids would be more clever than their parents and out smart it though :-p >>> Or maybe there's a problem for these oafs where in light traffic >>> conditions they get to drive too fast for their tiny minds to cope >>> with 'situations' that develop? >> Brisbane drivers are sh.t. >> Welcome to the world of "speed kills" </end government safety message> >> Prehaps a little more driver training? NO! What we need is more speed >> cameras. > Im sitting here debating whether or not thats a genuine post or a poor > attempt at sarcasim. Speed cameras do not save lives. More visible patrol > cars save lives, then again we should all go out and get GPR tracking and > give the Police full access to view it and issue tickets on the data. Trust me, its sarcasm. I strongly disagree with the "Speed Kills" message. Its trained a generation of completely shithouse drivers who believe they are "safe" simply by obeying the speed limit. >>>> Or maybe there's a problem for these oafs where in light traffic >>>> conditions they get to drive too fast for their tiny minds to cope [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > generation of completely shithouse drivers who believe they are "safe" > simply by obeying the speed limit. Brisbane drivers were sh&t before the "speed kills" campaign. Try the "speed is safe" lobby who want everyone to drive at the speed they feel is safe cause everyone is an expert driver just because they remove speed limits people stop doing dumb stuff. >> I strongly disagree with the "Speed Kills" message. Its trained a >> generation of completely shithouse drivers who believe they are "safe" >> simply by obeying the speed limit. > Brisbane drivers were sh&t before the "speed kills" campaign. > Try the "speed is safe" lobby who want everyone to drive at the speed they > feel is safe cause everyone is an expert driver just because they remove > speed limits people stop doing dumb stuff. To quote another aus.cars user.... Oh, so kids shouldn't be allowed to have inflatable inner tubes for their bikes! Your arguments are sh.t. >>> I strongly disagree with the "Speed Kills" message. Its trained a >>> generation of completely shithouse drivers who believe they are "safe" [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Your arguments are sh.t. You whinge how bad drivers are, then call for them to be allowed to drive & crash faster, can't get much dumber than that. > You whinge how bad drivers are, then call for them to be allowed to drive > & crash faster, can't get much dumber than that. Must have missed the bit where I called for that..... Carry on regardless though, dont let reality stop you. >> You whinge how bad drivers are, then call for them to be allowed to drive >> & crash faster, can't get much dumber than that. > > Must have missed the bit where I called for that..... > > Carry on regardless though, dont let reality stop you. I'm not the one that believes dumb sh$t happening faster is safer >> Or maybe there's a problem for these oafs where in light traffic >> conditions they get to drive too fast for their tiny minds to cope [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Prehaps a little more driver training? NO! What we need is more speed > cameras. No wait we need Toby's unrestricted speed limits for sh*t drivers, more "speed saves" BS :P >>> Or maybe there's a problem for these oafs where in light traffic >>> conditions they get to drive too fast for their tiny minds to cope [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > No wait we need Toby's unrestricted speed limits for sh*t drivers, more > "speed saves" BS :P Whacko Worrier strikes again!!!! Consider. A sh.t driver is still a sh.t driver if stupid arbitrary limits are removed. AND The vast majority of prangs occur at speeds well within the ambit of the aforementioned Stupid Arbitrary Speed Limits. Because it's the sh.t drivers that cause them. Needless to say, GovCo plays down the facts relating to prangs not related to speed in excess of the Stupid Arbitrary Limits. And the press doesn't bother to report them as well. This last Monday, there was a major prang on the Gateway - a truck rolled and closed the road both ways for hours. And there was another prang at Breakfast Creek the next morning that created chaos for an hour or so. And a little later on Tuesday, another on KSD. None of them were 4 Star Media 'event' prangs, precisely because in all of them the vehicles were undoubtedly NOT exceeding the Stupid Arbitrary Limits. So, go on - tell me you figured this all out already. And then try and support your stupid "argument from stupid" in favour of Stupid Arbitrary Speed Limits. SignatureToby. quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur |
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