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I was watching a movie last night (The world's fastest indian) about Burt Munro who set a land speed record on his motorbike in 1967. They said at the end of the movie that his land speed record still stands for under 1000cc. His record was around 190mph. Does anyone know why this record still stands? Surely a production bike would just about beat that. Cheer, Michael links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burt_Munro http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0412080/ >I was watching a movie last night (The world's fastest indian) about Burt >Munro who set a land speed record on his motorbike in 1967. They said at >the end of the movie that his land speed record still stands for under >1000cc. His record was around 190mph. Does anyone know why this record >still stands? Surely a production bike would just about beat that. It's called artisitc license. A standard 1 litre jap bike could just about reach that doing the quarter mile. MotoGP bikes (990cc) regularly top 200mph. In fact, (checks google) the MotoGP top speed record is currently 213mph, so yeah, it's BS. I guess it wouldn't sound as cool to say, "nowadays any bogan with $10k can do the same thing" :) >>I was watching a movie last night (The world's fastest indian) about Burt >>Munro who set a land speed record on his motorbike in 1967. They said at [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > can do the same thing" > :) His record stands as that class I believe was abolished after his ninth attempt and record breaking run. Now its run under a different class so his old one will never be beaten. FWIU > His record stands as that class I believe was abolished after his ninth > attempt and record breaking run. Now its run under a different class so > his old one will never be beaten. FWIU Okay so a quick search may differ that answer then: While Hollywood has seldom gotten a racing or car movie right, some land speed racers notice an inaccuracy in the new movie The World's Fastest Indian. While New Zealand racer Burt Munro did come to Bonneville to run his Indian motorcycle in the 1960s, his was not the world's fastest motorcycle at the time, and he did not set any world records. The distinction is a powerful one among the land speed racing community. So, for the record, the world motorcycle speed mark for that time period belongs to Bob Leppan, who rode his Triumph Streamliner to 245 mph on the salt. The Vesco brothers, Don and Rick, broke that record, going more than 300 mph. Dave Campos holds the current mark at 322 mph. Well done Scotty...and right off the top of your head too ;-)  SignatureSnoozin > Well done Scotty...and right off the top of your head too ;-) Um, yeah, it was actually, riiiggght. (Im not 100% sure what the last post was seeing as yourve not included it so I'll play the game anyway.) 1000CC Body Entry Name Bike Date Speed A-BF L. Ranger Honda ' 88 208.146 A-F Scott Guthrie Racing Yamaha 8/04 195.096 A-G Jason McVicar Yamaha ' 99 169.845 A-PF Lone eagle Racing H/D ' 02 153.580 A-PG Don Smith Racing H/D ' 00 146.641 APS-BF Carl Francis Suzuki 10/04 205.689 APS-BG Carl Francis Suzuki 10/04 210.390 APS-F Scott Guthrie Racing Yamaha 8/04 215.592 APS-G Scott Guthrie Racing Yamaha 8/04 191.392 APS-PBF Wilson-Wade-Mabry Triumph ' 96 213.245 APS-PF Full House Mouse 2 H/D ' 02 162.904 APS-PG Team Elves Buell ' 00 161.050 APS-VG F. Kott H/D ' 99 120.905 A-VG Flat Out Racing H/D ' 95 119.585 M-F Scott Guthrie Racing Yamaha 8/04 197.702 M-G Scott Guthrie Racing Yamaha 8/04 174.909 M-PF Full House Mouse 2 H/D 8/03 150.150 M-PG Don Smith Racing H/D ' 99 146.675 MPS-BF Team Amo / Harrell Kawasaki 10/03 216.202 MPS-BG Joe Amo / Team Amo Kawasaki 8/04 240.913 MPS-F Joe Amo / Team Amo Kawasaki ' 01 223.353 MPS-G Scott Guthrie Racing Yamaha 8/04 191.851 MPS-PBG J. Smith Norton ' 99 148.981 MPS-PF Team Elves Buell ' 01 180.823 MPS-PG Jdees Performance Buell 8/03 169.209 M-VG Marty Dickerson Vincent ' 96 130.115 P-P Steele Speed Team Suzuki 8/03 182.759 P-PG MEZ Racing/Tina Maria H/D ' 98 119.063 P-PP Jdees Performance Buell 8/03 144.626 P-PV R. Joliffe Vincent ' 00 104.292 S-BF K. Lyon BMW ' 88 197.121 S-BG K. Lyon BMW ' 90 211.698 SC-G Skip Baker Honda ' 87 112.767 S-F Burt Munro Indian ' 67 183.586 S-G Riches Airtech MDR OSXR 8/03 179.523 http://www.scta-bni.org/Bonneville/records/BNIrecs_bikes.htm SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth >http://www.scta-bni.org/Bonneville/records/BNIrecs_bikes.htm You will of course note of that these are _not_ the world land speed records for motorcycles. These are 'speed trials', similar to what's been run at Lake Gardiner (here in Oz) as an annual event. SignatureJohn H >>http://www.scta-bni.org/Bonneville/records/BNIrecs_bikes.htm > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > These are 'speed trials', similar to what's been run at Lake Gardiner > (here in Oz) as an annual event. Read the next post SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth >> http://www.scta-bni.org/Bonneville/records/BNIrecs_bikes.htm > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > These are 'speed trials', similar to what's been run at Lake Gardiner > (here in Oz) as an annual event. MPS-BF John Noonan Suzuki ' 02 242.888 Well I reackon he wont be caught by the local cruiser to easily . >> These are 'speed trials', similar to what's been run at Lake Gardiner >> (here in Oz) as an annual event. >> > MPS-BF John Noonan Suzuki ' 02 242.888 > Well I reackon he wont be caught by the local cruiser to easily . 235.740 at Lake Gairdner (correct spelling this time) 2006, but not the fastest.... http://www.landracing.com/events/lakegairdner/results06.htm SignatureJohn H >I was watching a movie last night (The world's fastest indian) about Burt >Munro who set a land speed record on his motorbike in 1967. They said at the >end of the movie that his land speed record still stands for under 1000cc. >His record was around 190mph. Does anyone know why this record still stands? >Surely a production bike would just about beat that. It doesn't, it never did, and they lied.... http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060213/FREE/60206023/1036/FREE SignatureJohn H >>I was watching a movie last night (The world's fastest indian) about Burt >>Munro who set a land speed record on his motorbike in 1967. They said at [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > It doesn't, it never did, and they lied.... > http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060213/FREE/60206023/1036/FREE It doesn't say if those 2 riders who beat him did so in the under 1000ccs (I'm saying they were over just that it doesn't say). >It doesn't say if those 2 riders who beat him did so in the under 1000ccs >(I'm saying they were over just that it doesn't say). The record at that time was held by a 650cc Triumph -- around 225mph set around 1965 IIRC. Burt Munro never set any land speed record. SignatureJohn H >The record at that time was held by a 650cc Triumph -- around 225mph >set around 1965 IIRC. Got my years mixed up, that was in 1962. The complete Bonneville two wheeled records are here... http://www.speedrecordclub.com/records/outtwo.htm You won't find Burt Munro among them. SignatureJohn H >>It doesn't say if those 2 riders who beat him did so in the under >>1000ccs (I'm saying they were over just that it doesn't say). [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Burt Munro never set any land speed record. Okay, lets get this right! Burt Munro From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Records In 1962 he set world record of 178.97 mph (288 km/h) with his engine bored out to 51 cu.in. (850cc). In 1963 a connecting rod broke while he was traveling at an estimated 195 mph (313 km/h). In 1966 his engine was displacing 56 cu.in. (920cc), but Burt was unhappy with some loss in top speed, and completely rebuilt it again. In 1967 his engine was bored out to 58 cu.in. (950cc) and he set a class record of 183.58 mph (295.44 km/h). To qualify he made a one-way run of 190.07 mph (305.89 km/h), the fastest ever officially recorded speed on an Indian. Note: "the fastest ever officially recorded speed on an Indian." It has never been beat by anyone since on an INDIAN! Film title: WORLDS FASTEST INDIAN PLUS: At that time he won in the 950cc class. There is NO LONGER a 950cc class, therefore his record is umbeatable, quite simple actually :-) SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth >PLUS: At that time he won in the 950cc class. >There is NO LONGER a 950cc class, therefore his record is umbeatable, quite >simple actually :-) Didn't know you were into motorcycles Ron! The original post (and the movie apparently) refers to it as a 'land speed record'. It isn't and never was. If you understand the difference between a world land speed record and a one off speed trial event it's dead simple. Burt is what the late Barry Sheene would've described as a legend in his own lunch hour. SignatureJohn H >>PLUS: At that time he won in the 950cc class. >>There is NO LONGER a 950cc class, therefore his record is umbeatable, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The original post (and the movie apparently) refers to it as a 'land > speed record'. It isn't and never was. Okay, the subject title is not on par with the film. Motorcycles, cut my teeth on an IMME as a kid. One fork at the front and one fork at the rear. http://www.cybermotorcycle.com/gallery/classics_h/Imme.htm Over the years I've owned quite a few and repaired them as a hobby for others. Smallest I've ever owned was a Honda Dax. Largest a Honda 400/4 Most I've ever ridden, BSA Bantam, smoothest BMW K100RT.... Ron SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth > Over the years I've owned quite a few and repaired them as a hobby for > others. Smallest I've ever owned was a Honda Dax. Largest a Honda 400/4 > Most I've ever ridden, BSA Bantam, smoothest BMW K100RT.... > > Ron A Bantam, hell Ive not heard about those for a long time. I rode one as a teen but that was just around the block a few times. >> The original post (and the movie apparently) refers to it as a 'land >> speed record'. It isn't and never was. > >Okay, the subject title is not on par with the film. Actually, he probably got the subject line dead right. The film has previously been criticised for it's misleading claims. SignatureJohn H >>> The original post (and the movie apparently) refers to it as a 'land >>> speed record'. It isn't and never was. >> Okay, the subject title is not on par with the film. > > Actually, he probably got the subject line dead right. The film has > previously been criticised for it's misleading claims. Unfortunately johnny you have failed to realise most of us take it for what it is , a good movie about a great bloke some of the time , and apart from that no one gives a shite how accurate it is . > Unfortunately johnny you have failed to realise most of us take it for > what it is , a good movie about a great bloke some of the time , and > apart from that no one gives a shite how accurate it is . Any chance you are a kiwi? (rhetorical) SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@msn.com abuse@sprint.com abuse@earthlink.com fraudinfo@psinet.com sweep.day@accc.gov.au Beaker was a tweaker uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback $LOGIN@localhost $LOGNAME@localhost $USER@localhost $USER@$HOST -h1024@localhost root@mailloop.com president@whitehouse.gov vice.president@whitehouse.gov abuse@iprimus.com.au abuse@cia.gov abuse@fbi.gov abuse@asio.gov.au abuse@federalpolice.gov.au >Unfortunately johnny you have failed to realise most of us take it for >what it is , a good movie about a great bloke some of the time , and >apart from that no one gives a shite how accurate it is . Garn... the last good bloke to come out of NZ was Piggy Muldoon! Course some of their women are a turn on -- Helen isn't it? SignatureJohn H >Surely a production bike would just about beat that. Bear in mind that the land speed records are set on salt.... Have you ever driven (or ridden) on salt? Might come as as a shock if you ever do. :) SignatureJohn H >>Surely a production bike would just about beat that. > > Bear in mind that the land speed records are set on salt.... Have you > ever driven (or ridden) on salt? They are mostly set on the salt plains because it's the only place big enough and flat enough to do it. The surface doesn't really play a part. > Might come as as a shock if you ever do. :) Can't say I have, but at 200mph+ it's not the surface that matters. >>>Surely a production bike would just about beat that. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Can't say I have, but at 200mph+ it's not the surface that matters. Oh yes it does, and you obviously haven't. The first thing you notice is how much more power you need to get up to the same speed -- it knocks around 30% off the top speed of almost any car compared to bitumen (and using the same gearing). That applies to the Australian salt flats (eg Lake Gardiner), I doubt that Bonneville is any different. Lake Eyre was also once used for world record runs (Donald Campbell's Bluebird is the best known of them) -- because of the extra length over Bonneville IIRC. SignatureJohn H >>Can't say I have, but at 200mph+ it's not the surface that matters. > > Oh yes it does, and you obviously haven't. Tarmac or concrete might be less draggy. But expanses of these surfaces that are long, wide and flat enough don't exist. So I don't think there's any point in saying they would be better. >>>Can't say I have, but at 200mph+ it's not the surface that matters. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >are long, wide and flat enough don't exist. So I don't think there's any >point in saying they would be better. The issue is whether or not a stocker off the showroom floor would break any records. Take it from me -- they won't. (Based on some fairly close connections with those who've done runs at Lake Gardiner.) SignatureJohn H >>>>Can't say I have, but at 200mph+ it's not the surface that matters. >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > The issue is whether or not a stocker off the showroom floor would > break any records. A stock 1 litre sportsbike can break the Indian record on a public road. No salt flat required. Just think about that for a moment. > Take it from me -- they won't. (Based on some fairly close > connections with those who've done runs at Lake Gardiner.) Well speed records now are absurdly high, so I wouldn't expect any production vehicle to come close. However, a stock vehicle would probably get to 200mph given that there's plenty of track to build up to that speed, which is the original point I thought? >>>>> Can't say I have, but at 200mph+ it's not the surface that matters. >>>> Oh yes it does, and you obviously haven't. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > A stock 1 litre sportsbike can break the Indian record on a public road. No > salt flat required. Just think about that for a moment. but it is very unlikely to do so on the salt . >> Take it from me -- they won't. (Based on some fairly close >> connections with those who've done runs at Lake Gardiner.) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > get to 200mph given that there's plenty of track to build up to that speed, > which is the original point I thought? >>>Can't say I have, but at 200mph+ it's not the surface that matters. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > that are long, wide and flat enough don't exist. So I don't think there's > any point in saying they would be better. You mean to tell me that theres no carpark out there thats 15 miles long, I dont believe you. >>>Surely a production bike would just about beat that. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Can't say I have, but at 200mph+ it's not the surface that matters. Read a story many years ago (late 60s I think) on an attempt at the outright land speed record for motorcycles. The long streamliner had twin Harley Davidson engines. Being an enclosed machine the rider cannot lean to turn the bike so the theory is to turn left you turn the bars slightly to the right and the bike falls to the left and turns left. But theory wouldn't always listen, the rider said from 0 to 70 mph it was turn right to turn left, but from 70 to 150mph it was turn left to turn left, and above 150mph it was back to turn right to turn left. Must have been "interesting" finding these things out. > Read a story many years ago (late 60s I think) on an attempt at the outright > land speed record for motorcycles. The long streamliner had twin Harley [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > it was back to turn right to turn left. Must have been "interesting" finding > these things out. Evidently didn't play with gyros or even bike wheels off the bike when young:-) Betting the rider concerned was a Yankee;-) SignatureToby. quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur >>Surely a production bike would just about beat that. > > Bear in mind that the land speed records are set on salt.... Have you > ever driven (or ridden) on salt? > > Might come as as a shock if you ever do. :) So what if someone beats it on tar then? What's 190mph in kph anyway? I wouldn't expect you'd need that long a run up on a bike to require a salt flat. >>>Surely a production bike would just about beat that. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I wouldn't expect you'd need that long a run up on a bike to require a > salt flat. When poor old Burt raced his bloody old Indian, there was not a lot of long areas where you could do it. Remember donald Cambell, etc, etc... Very hard to find a long FLAT piece of space, not crawling with Police or other authoritive preventions. Even his Kiwi Beaches were not long enough to help. He could have used the Corong (90 mile beach) in South Australia. However in those days travel was limited and most of us knew SFA about other areas in the world. Hence the reason Burt knew nothing about registrations rules in the USA, etc... Computers are a wonderful thing. Ron SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth I don't expect you'd have to use a salt flat to test a bike out at 190mph nowdays >>>>Surely a production bike would just about beat that. >>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Ron > I don't expect you'd have to use a salt flat to test a bike out at 190mph > nowdays where then ? if you want to do it for a flying mile as opposed to the " other " flying thingy >> I don't expect you'd have to use a salt flat to test a bike out at 190mph >> nowdays >> > where then ? if you want to do it for a flying mile as opposed to the " > other " flying thingy Autobahns, people in Europe have Lambo's / Porche's / Ferrari's, where to you think they play with their top speeds on road? All you have to do is have a good long straight with a bit of road before it that is ok for getting near that speed, so you enter a 4 mile straight doing say 240kph, people reckon they get their jap 250cc bikes near that speed around urban area's all the time. If you had the right road and a faster bike why would 300kph for one mile be a problem? Besides being scary & dangerous for anyone not practiced at it. What's "the other flying thingy"? >>> I don't expect you'd have to use a salt flat to test a bike out at 190mph >>> nowdays [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Autobahns, people in Europe have Lambo's / Porche's / Ferrari's, where to > you think they play with their top speeds on road? not to long ago , the old days are gone , I got a warning for going to slow in Germany once but they are very well policed roads and doing over double the limit will get you fined , the nt roads on average wont support those speed although cruising at 140 is good up there . > All you have to do is have a good long straight with a bit of road before it > that is ok for getting near that speed, so you enter a 4 mile straight doing > say 240kph, people reckon they get their jap 250cc bikes near that speed > around urban area's all the time. If you had the right road and a faster > bike why would 300kph for one mile be a problem? Besides being scary & > dangerous for anyone not practiced at it. As I said you have not driven there . > What's "the other flying thingy"? starts with a great big F > >> I don't expect you'd have to use a salt flat to test a bike out at 190mph > >> nowdays [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Autobahns, people in Europe have Lambo's / Porche's / Ferrari's, where to > you think they play with their top speeds on road? I think that's the subtle nuance people are missing - land speed record implies exactly that (to some degree, though it's probably spelt out more blatantly officially) - it's not a paved road top speed. SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@msn.com abuse@sprint.com abuse@earthlink.com fraudinfo@psinet.com sweep.day@accc.gov.au Beaker was a tweaker uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback $LOGIN@localhost $LOGNAME@localhost $USER@localhost $USER@$HOST -h1024@localhost root@mailloop.com president@whitehouse.gov vice.president@whitehouse.gov abuse@iprimus.com.au abuse@cia.gov abuse@fbi.gov abuse@asio.gov.au abuse@federalpolice.gov.au >> >> I don't expect you'd have to use a salt flat to test a bike out at >> >> 190mph [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > implies exactly that (to some degree, though it's probably spelt out > more blatantly officially) - it's not a paved road top speed. Ahh, if we clocked a record speed for a mile on paved road or beach sand then it would be a different record. So it really pertains to the speed acheived over that particular salt flat. >>>Surely a production bike would just about beat that. >> >> Bear in mind that the land speed records are set on salt.... Have you >> ever driven (or ridden) on salt? > >So what if someone beats it on tar then? A police radar reading isn't sufficient! You need an each way run timed over a full mile. >What's 190mph in kph anyway? A little over 300. >I wouldn't expect you'd need that long a run up on a bike to require a salt >flat. Run up tends to be irrelevant, it's the flying mile that's probably hard to find. I guess it's matter of tradition. They started out on public roads. Race tracks (notably Brooklands) also sufficed until things got too fast to run in a circle. Beaches were used at one time. Salt flats have been the go for at least fifty years. During the early 1950's there was a road in Belgium that manufacturers used but I imagine it's long since ceased being PC (sets a bad example for the hoons). The last of the world's great road races also ended in the 1950's (Mille Miglia). SignatureJohn H >>>>Surely a production bike would just about beat that. >>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Run up tends to be irrelevant, it's the flying mile that's probably > hard to find. You need some run up to get to speed, bikes shouldn't need much compared to a car for a top speed trial. > I guess it's matter of tradition. They started out on public roads. > Race tracks (notably Brooklands) also sufficed until things got too [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > The last of the world's great road races also ended in the 1950's > (Mille Miglia). >You need some run up to get to speed, bikes shouldn't need much compared to >a car for a top speed trial. You seem to be confusing land speed records with potential top speeds (either real or imagined). I doubt if there's a piece of road on Earth that would be suitable to host a world record attempt, nor a stocker capable of achieving it. Think you'll also find that bikes need at least as long a run up as four wheelers. Top end acceleration isn't too flash on either when they're geared for maximum speed. SignatureJohn H > >>>Surely a production bike would just about beat that. > >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > A police radar reading isn't sufficient! You need an each way run > timed over a full mile. And within a certain time frame too (though I can't recall what it actually bloody is) SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@msn.com abuse@sprint.com abuse@earthlink.com fraudinfo@psinet.com sweep.day@accc.gov.au Beaker was a tweaker uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback $LOGIN@localhost $LOGNAME@localhost $USER@localhost $USER@$HOST -h1024@localhost root@mailloop.com president@whitehouse.gov vice.president@whitehouse.gov abuse@iprimus.com.au abuse@cia.gov abuse@fbi.gov abuse@asio.gov.au abuse@federalpolice.gov.au >>>Surely a production bike would just about beat that. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I wouldn't expect you'd need that long a run up on a bike to require a > salt flat. Times you MPH speed by 1.625 (approximately) and you get KMH, divide your KMH to get MPH. So 190MPH should be around the 308 KMH. >>>> Surely a production bike would just about beat that. >>> Bear in mind that the land speed records are set on salt.... Have you [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > So 190MPH should be around the 308 KMH. 308 ? thast 11250 rpm on the hahahonda > Times you MPH speed by 1.625 (approximately) and you get KMH, divide your > KMH to get MPH. That should be 1.609. See google: http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=1+mile+in+kilometres&meta= Michael >> Times you MPH speed by 1.625 (approximately) and you get KMH, divide your >> KMH to get MPH. >That should be 1.609. See google: Google? An inch is *exactly* 25.4 mm (by definition). That makes a mile = 1.609344 km Signature/"\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | "Laws do not persuade just because X against HTML mail | they threaten." / \ and postings | Lucius Annaeus Seneca, c. 4BC - 65AD. >>> Times you MPH speed by 1.625 (approximately) and you get KMH, divide >>> your [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Google? Type "1 mile in kilometres" into google. Michael >>>> Times you MPH speed by 1.625 (approximately) and you get KMH, divide >>>> your [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Michael Type in French military victories and hit I am feeling lucky . > Type in French military victories and hit I am feeling lucky . http://www.google-watch.org/newsday.html This page claims the prank will be short lived. The page is 3 years old :-) Michael >I was watching a movie last night (The world's fastest indian) about Burt >Munro who set a land speed record on his motorbike in 1967. They said at >the end of the movie that his land speed record still stands for under >1000cc. His record was around 190mph. Does anyone know why this record >still stands? Surely a production bike would just about beat that. One other thing I was curious about, why did Anthony Hopkins start in such a low budget film? (I'm not saying it was a bad film). Michael >One other thing I was curious about, why did Anthony Hopkins start in such a >low budget film? (I'm not saying it was a bad film). Has Anthony Hopkins ever been in anything worth watching other than 'The Silence of the Lambs'? I've lost count of how many he's been in I couldn't be bothered sitting through. :) SignatureJohn H >>One other thing I was curious about, why did Anthony Hopkins start in such >>a >>low budget film? (I'm not saying it was a bad film). > > Has Anthony Hopkins ever been in anything worth watching other than > 'The Silence of the Lambs'? Surely there's been something .... can't think of any right now though ....... Michael > >>One other thing I was curious about, why did Anthony Hopkins start in such > >>a > >>low budget film? (I'm not saying it was a bad film). He was attracted by the character, the story and the people making the film. > > Has Anthony Hopkins ever been in anything worth watching other than > > 'The Silence of the Lambs'? > > Surely there's been something .... can't think of any right now though Some of Sir Tony's better films... Hearts in Atlantis The Edge Legends of the Fall Shadowlands The Remains of the Day Bram Stoker's Dracula Howard's End 84 Charing Cross Road. ..Most arguably better played than his Hannibal Lector, which was hammy and OTT, Brian Cox was a better Hannibal in Manhunter (which was remade as the awful Red Dragon). >Some of Sir Tony's better films... > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >OTT, Brian Cox was a better Hannibal in Manhunter (which was remade as the >awful Red Dragon). He's always hammy and OTT... it's just that Silence of the Lambs suited his style and Jody Foster made the film worth watching. I've never managed to sit out _any_ of his others. SignatureJohn H >> Some of Sir Tony's better films... >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > suited his style and Jody Foster made the film worth watching. I've > never managed to sit out _any_ of his others. MM your a boring bloke jh >MM your a boring bloke jh Must be. I usually sit through the one's others walk out of... in fact some of the most memorable were those where I was the only left at the end. A Clockwork Orange particularly comes to mind -- every time I laughed another row headed for the aisles. Apparently the plebs took it seriously back in those days. :) SignatureJohn H >>MM your a boring bloke jh > > Must be. I usually sit through the one's others walk out of... in > fact some of the most memorable were those where I was the only left > at the end. A magic movie called 'Basket Case' by any chance? > A Clockwork Orange particularly comes to mind -- every time I laughed > another row headed for the aisles. Apparently the plebs took it > seriously back in those days. :) Life of Brian at drive-in had competition for humour with God-fearers driving out (with their Kinder FFS) in high dudgeon. Evidently they're 'heard' it was an allegorical story about their chief figurhead :-))) SignatureToby. quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur > >>MM your a boring bloke jh > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Evidently they're 'heard' it was an allegorical story about their > chief figurhead In general they don't distinguish between allegorical and apocrophyll (sp?) SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@msn.com abuse@sprint.com abuse@earthlink.com fraudinfo@psinet.com sweep.day@accc.gov.au Beaker was a tweaker uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback $LOGIN@localhost $LOGNAME@localhost $USER@localhost $USER@$HOST -h1024@localhost root@mailloop.com president@whitehouse.gov vice.president@whitehouse.gov abuse@iprimus.com.au abuse@cia.gov abuse@fbi.gov abuse@asio.gov.au abuse@federalpolice.gov.au >>MM your a boring bloke jh > > Must be. I usually sit through the one's others walk out of... in I couldn't help think of Lord of the rings when you said that. 3 looooonnnggg hours and no ending. :-) Michael >> MM your a boring bloke jh > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > another row headed for the aisles. Apparently the plebs took it > seriously back in those days. :) Considering some of the places I lived when younger the "Orange" was quite amusing to me , life imitating the movies. (sic) >>>One other thing I was curious about, why did Anthony Hopkins start in >>>such a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Surely there's been something .... can't think of any right now though > ....... There was one where him and Alec Baldwin (I think) got stuck in the mountains and had to fight a bear, it wasn't too bad (not great, but watchable). And the Brad Pitt Devil Movie wasn't too bad either. Again not great but watchable. >>I was watching a movie last night (The world's fastest indian) about Burt >>Munro who set a land speed record on his motorbike in 1967. They said at [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Michael Hell, why not. I think that he actually did the role justice. One of the problems running on slat is poor traction . Co. of friction something like 0.6 being all that is achieved. To get round this the vehicles carry lots of ballast, as at top speed you need to prevent wheel spin just to push your way through the air. With a large amount of ballast , you thus need a long run up to get up to speed. It is a choice depending on your length of track whether to go for fast acceleration but low top speed , or slow acceleration requiring a long track but higher top speed. If you have the horsepower and a long enough track , carry plenty of ballast (which can also help with handling). |
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