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Who considers the Falcon GTHO a true classic? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > Who considers the Falcon GTHO a true classic? Who considers a 380 Vr-X a true classis? >> Who considers the Falcon GTHO a true classic? > >Who considers a 380 Vr-X a true classis? Certainly not I, but that is irrelevant. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > Who considers the Falcon GTHO a true classic? Me. Amongst locally made cars its top of the list. Daryl > Amongst locally made cars its top of the list. No way buddy - the A9X Torana surely has to be a finer car for a lot of reasons, but especially handling. Then the XY GTHO Phase III, then the HK 327 and then the list goes on. Other memorbable cars include the LJ XU1, HT 350 Monaro, E49 Charger, VH SS Group 3, EH S4 (I'm not sure if this was available to the public but it is the car that triggered ford to produce the Falcon GT), VC Brock and of course the HQ SS - the very first SS holden. A popular car, with many seeing an horrific end around a light pole/tree. Certainly the HQ SS was the first muscle car to be affordable to the average joe with out breaking the bank (I think it was priced cheaper than the Premier). <mackeb@cen.prendiville.wa.edu.au> wrote in message > No way buddy - the A9X Torana surely has to be a finer car for a lot of > reasons, but especially handling. Then the XY GTHO Phase III, then the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > average joe with out breaking the bank (I think it was priced cheaper > than the Premier). Shhhhhhhh, OzOne is trying to prove holden and ford don't make classics and you've gone and listed 10. Michael >>Amongst locally made cars its top of the list. > > No way buddy - the A9X Torana surely has to be a finer car for a lot of > reasons, but especially handling. Then the XY GTHO Phase III, then the > HK 327 and then the list goes on. IMO the GT wins with something the A9X lacks, ie karisma, Torana's don't have any:-) I do agree with the HK327 being high on the list though, its one of the very few Holdens that I would consider owning:-) > Other memorbable cars include the LJ XU1, No, not in the same class. HT 350 Monaro No prize for being second, a better car than the HK but not a classic like its older sibling. , E49 Charger, Yes, no doubt about that one. > VH SS Group 3 Very quick in its day (mate had one which he let me drive a couple of times) but nothing outstanding enough to call it a classic. , EH S4 (I'm not sure if this was available to the public > but it is the car that triggered ford to produce the Falcon GT) Race car only AFAIK. , VC > Brock and of course the HQ SS - the very first SS holden. Yuk. A popular > car, with many seeing an horrific end around a light pole/tree. Best place for them, I had several HQ company cars and they were appalling. Daryl > IMO the GT wins with something the A9X lacks, ie karisma, Torana's don't have any:-) Fair enough I spose - each to his own. This is how I feel about the GT falcon (yes, I know they have a shaker and that *is* cool) > do agree with the HK327 being high on the list though No doubts there - the only reservation is the tacho on the floor (ish) instead of infront of the driver. A fantastic car. >> VH SS Group 3 > Very quick in its day (mate had one which he let me drive a couple of > times) but nothing outstanding enough to call it a classic. I disagree with that - a car that was designed by a competant driver for one reason only - driving very fast and still remaining controllable. As for the HQ SS, it must be considered a classic simply for the storm it caused with its outrageous colours. It was so cheap too, because it was basically a belmont in disguise. Handling...well, you know. But it does look pretty good! "D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message news:44477aa3$0$509$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader- > IMO the GT wins with something the A9X lacks, ie karisma, Torana's don't > have any:-) I tend to agree, about the A9X that is. It was a great car, but was never released to the public with anything other than a "dunger" engine, which didn't really make it a "performance" car in street trim. For what it's worth, my top ten list of Classic Australian* cars (in no particular order) would be * either made in Australia, or commonly available in Australia. 1: The Phase III. Not much going for it by today's standards, but absolutely *brutal* power in it's day. 2: The Phase II. A more radical car to drive of the street thanks to it's bigger cam and shorter rear axle. 3: The '72 Bathurst XU1. As close as Holden got to a decicated "race car" off the showroom floor. They really were a *shitload* of fun to drive :) 4: The E49 Charger. Some shortcomings robbed it of the potential to be a brilliant car, but even in it's raw form it was still very, very good. 5: MkII Cooper S. As close as you could get to a "street Go-Kart" in their day, and one of the most enjoyable cars I've ever owned. Simply brilliant right out of the box, and I wish I still had one :) 6: XR GT. Mainly because it was the first, and because it was so unrefined. The 289's were quite torquey, and they were quite a handful when driven with any gusto. Trying to drive them hard on razor blades didn't help much either. 7: L-34 Torana. Even though I hate "plastics", I always thought these things were a good all round package. Good brakes (for their day), well balanced, nice mumbo. Shithouse gearbox & diff, but hey, you can't have everything. 8: WRX. Love them or hate them, they are one of the best performance cars around for the money, and are a fantastic drive. 9: XP Falcon Coupe. Only because I own a couple, and because I think they're one of the best looking cars of the '60's. In standard trim they weren't much, and they have all the performance of a food processor, but the V8 "modified" versions are nice :) 10: ZD Fairlane. I love these old things, and they could mumbo along quite nice. The top of the line versions come with a 4V Cleveland, C6 auto and nine inch rear, and could run 16 second quarters in style and comfort. -- Regards, Noddy. > "D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message > news:44477aa3$0$509$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader- [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > the line versions come with a 4V Cleveland, C6 auto and nine inch rear, > and could run 16 second quarters in style and comfort. Who else nearly died when they saw the WRX on that list? Though I have to agree with it. The only change I'd make is swapping the ZD for the HG Monaro. Fraser > "D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message > news:44477aa3$0$509$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader- [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > the line versions come with a 4V Cleveland, C6 auto and nine inch rear, and > could run 16 second quarters in style and comfort. Agreed with most but not sure about the Fairlane. If fun was the main criteria the Cooper S wins hands down. I would add the Mk1 Cortina GT and or the Lotus Cortina, BTW I saw a very nice example at Hanging Rock earlier this year complete with Harry Firths autograph under the bonnet. Daryl >> "D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message >> news:44477aa3$0$509$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader- [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > > Daryl I had a couple of Z series , last one used to drop timing chains a tooth at a time , so added gear drive , ran better but fark that whine... I guess redlining it down mains rd then right at the pub all those years ago didnt help:) "D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message news:44486e01$0$493$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader- > Agreed with most but not sure about the Fairlane. It's only there because they had auto and power steer as standard equipment, and I'm f.cking lazy :) > If fun was the main criteria the Cooper S wins hands down. Absolutely. Brilliant car, even by today's standards. > I would add the Mk1 Cortina GT and or the Lotus Cortina, BTW I saw a very > nice example at Hanging Rock earlier this year complete with Harry Firths > autograph under the bonnet. Saw that one in a mag :) I always liked Escorts, and had a fantastic RS2000 for a little while. It was also a fun car to drive, but not as much as a Mini. I never owned a MkI Lotus powered jobby, but had a few steers of one and they were great as well. -- Regards, Noddy. > "D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message > news:44486e01$0$493$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader- [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Saw that one in a mag :) When I first saw it I thought for a moment that it was the one I owned till I remembered very sadly that it was written off less than a month after I sold it:-( Daryl That makes 2 for the Cooper S. >"D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message >news:44486e01$0$493$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader- [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >Lotus powered jobby, but had a few steers of one and they were great as >well. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > "D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message > news:44477aa3$0$509$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader- [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > released to the public with anything other than a "dunger" engine, which > didn't really make it a "performance" car in street trim. Yep. Good as it was, it ain't as classic as the ol' GT's... > For what it's worth, my top ten list of Classic Australian* cars (in no > particular order) would be <snipped stuff that I agreed with wholeheartedly - no further comment reqd.> > * either made in Australia, or commonly available in Australia. > > 3: The '72 Bathurst XU1. > > As close as Holden got to a decicated "race car" off the showroom floor. > They really were a *shitload* of fun to drive :) I'd just like to add in a mention of their fantastic competition history - which IMHO makes them *the* classic Holden of choice: Not only the well known Bathurst runs (wins and almost wins) but the (seemingly forgotten) Southern Cross and Australian Rally Championship wins - sometimes against European works rally teams - in the hands of Colin Bond and Peter Perfect (who came 2nd in the Championship, IIRC, one year) > 8: WRX. > > Love them or hate them, they are one of the best performance cars around for > the money, and are a fantastic drive. Okay, this (and to a lesser extent the Mini - I believe they were at least built here) opens up a hooooge can of worms. If the WRX is in there, then you've got to include the following cars for similar reasons (we *are* talking classics): Datsun 1600 (510): Everyman's rally car - even as late as the eighties, they'd make up 1/3 of most major rally fields (no exaggeration) Datsun 240Z: A Healey for the masses. And great all round package. Mazda MX5: A Lotus for the masses. Instant classic. Cheers, Steve > Datsun 1600 (510): Everyman's rally car - even as late as the > eighties, they'd make up 1/3 of most major rally fields (no [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Mazda MX5: A Lotus for the masses. Instant classic. Agree with those, and they were/are all fun cars. Still, the problem with having a favourite top ten is that ten is all you can have :) -- Regards, Noddy. >> Datsun 1600 (510): Everyman's rally car - even as late as the >> eighties, they'd make up 1/3 of most major rally fields (no [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Still, the problem with having a favourite top ten is that ten is all you >can have :) Yep, agree with those. Datto is an outsider saved by its fantastic rally performances in many countries in its various guises. You must add the Lotus Elan and the Lancia Fulvia. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. >>> Datsun 1600 (510): Everyman's rally car - even as late as the >>> eighties, they'd make up 1/3 of most major rally fields (no [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >You must add the Lotus Elan and the Lancia Fulvia. and the '63? split screen Corvette. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. Well, Noddy's criteria was something along the lines of "readily available" in Australia. Fulvia & Elan might be pushing it - though both are classics, of course. :) Cheers, Steve > Well, Noddy's criteria was something along the lines of "readily > available" in Australia. Fulvia & Elan might be pushing it Elan was. In what sort of numbers one can only guess. Used to see a couple of them as an apprentice. I actually don't think much of the elan at all. but that's just me. I thought the esprit turbo was decent enough, esp considering it was blowthrough carbed originally, and how that 'can't work'  SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@msn.com abuse@sprint.com abuse@earthlink.com fraudinfo@psinet.com sweep.day@accc.gov.au Beaker was a tweaker uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback $LOGIN@localhost $LOGNAME@localhost $USER@localhost $USER@$HOST -h1024@localhost root@mailloop.com president@whitehouse.gov vice.president@whitehouse.gov abuse@iprimus.com.au abuse@cia.gov abuse@fbi.gov abuse@asio.gov.au abuse@federalpolice.gov.au >> Well, Noddy's criteria was something along the lines of "readily >> available" in Australia. Fulvia & Elan might be pushing it > >Elan was. In what sort of numbers one can only guess. Used to see a >couple of them as an apprentice. Yeah, don't know what numbers, but there were quite a fe around. >I actually don't think much of the elan at all. but that's just me. great drive, especially compared to the other cars at that time. High maintenance though. >I thought the esprit turbo was decent enough, esp considering it was >blowthrough carbed originally, and how that 'can't work' Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. It's funny, isn't it? I've seen a really nice blow-through supercharger setup on a Alfa 105 once. Worked a treat. Unfortunately, it seems I can't get nitrofyl floats for the solexes... Cheers, Steve (mind you, they leak bad enough as it is!) > It's funny, isn't it? I've seen a really nice blow-through > supercharger setup on a Alfa 105 once. Worked a treat. Unfortunately, > it seems I can't get nitrofyl floats for the solexes... Do you want me to make some reinforced floats for you? SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@msn.com abuse@sprint.com abuse@earthlink.com fraudinfo@psinet.com sweep.day@accc.gov.au Beaker was a tweaker uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback $LOGIN@localhost $LOGNAME@localhost $USER@localhost $USER@$HOST -h1024@localhost root@mailloop.com president@whitehouse.gov vice.president@whitehouse.gov abuse@iprimus.com.au abuse@cia.gov abuse@fbi.gov abuse@asio.gov.au abuse@federalpolice.gov.au You can do this? Please email me. Cheers, Steve > You can do this? sh.t, anyone can. believe it or not the rapid expanding foam you get in a spray can at any hardware store works. You need to double drill the floats, one in one out so to speak, then squirt 'way too much' in there so that as it expands, heaps comes back out. Sit them in the sun (or somewhere warm, like in front of a heater for at least a day. Then depending on whether they are brass or plastic, seal them up with appropriate fix (certain araldites for plastic, either that or solder for brass, but not just 'any solder' - I'm not sure what it's called, but I do have the right stuff. That works as good as anything. Interestingly ages ago when I was first getting into blowthroughs (I've done more than a few drawthroughs before that) every turbo 'expert' said carbs were sh.t, how they'd tried but no merit in them, so they all only fit efi (and at that time, for probably 2-3 times what it costs now). So when I was trying a blowthrough, I went to the local place to ask what foam to use in their floats. Their 'carb expert' was on holidays. So I came back, still holidays. Finally caught up with him and he sheepishly admitted that they'd done one drawthrough SU setup, and all the rest were efi. He then rang around all the places in Melbourne, and not _one_ had actually done a blowthrough. Goes to show it was all profit margin related (not that I'm suggesting carbs are superior btw). Anyhoo, I tried a few things and that worked a treat. One thing you must prepare for is the fact that it very slightly increases the weight/density of the float, and so affects it's buoyancy. what this means in 'real terms' is that a static setting for the float will need to be around 1-2mm _lower_ to get the same effect on the needle and seat as an unmodded float. People one the old blowthruturbo list tested both these diy floats and indeed the nitrophyll ones for holleys. Both of them easily stand up to well in excess of _any_ boost you'd ever feed through it. One guy put a set in a pressure chamber at somewhere around 80-100psi and couldn't even get any deflection. If for whatever reason you aren't keen on diy-ing - by all means send me a set, and I'll send them back - all I'd ask is you pay to mail them to me (whatever the postpak costs) and it's ok for me to send them back, but you cover the return postage. I don't want anything to actually do the job. 100% ideally, I'd like (esp if brass) for 2 sets to be sent down, one for deliberate dismantling/inspection and the other to be 'given the treatment' Reason I ask this is that sometimes the braqss ones have some weird issues where they are more prone to collapse in certain axes than others, and usually it's fairly obvious with them apart. In those cases, aside from the 'std' addition of foam. they'd be cross drilled and little brass 'crush tubes' would be soldered in there for even more support. Out of interest - what are these solex's exactly - any changce they are more or less a clone of a more widely used carb (I'm not sure how many different solex's there are, which is of course a source of confusion)?? If so, there's some 'stock' plastic floats that have held up to 30-40psi pressures as is, which is typically double what they'd need fot most apps. Generally they'd be a type of thermoplastic (rather than thermoset plastic) and could be 'plastic welded' with the right filler material and a soldering iron (though it means you have to clean and re-tin the tip afterwards, some use one iron just for this purpose) SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@msn.com abuse@sprint.com abuse@earthlink.com fraudinfo@psinet.com sweep.day@accc.gov.au Beaker was a tweaker uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback $LOGIN@localhost $LOGNAME@localhost $USER@localhost $USER@$HOST -h1024@localhost root@mailloop.com president@whitehouse.gov vice.president@whitehouse.gov abuse@iprimus.com.au abuse@cia.gov abuse@fbi.gov abuse@asio.gov.au abuse@federalpolice.gov.au I knew there was a reason I loved this group! Thanks for the info. I think I can DIY this, based on that info. FYI, the carbies are 44PHH Solex twin-throat sidedraughts. They look a fair bit like a Weber, and fit a DCOE manifold. You may have seen 40PHH's on Toyota Celicas of late 70's vintage. Thanks very much, John. Good to know I can make it happen. Funnily enough, if you starting from scratch today, you'd be mad NOT to go EFI. It'd be cheaper than a pair of Webers or similar! But being factory fitment to the Datsun Sports roadster, I wanted to a set up that was easy to put back to standard - it being a pretty rare bird now. So the idea is to just make up a simple plenum, rebuild the carbs so they seal (and don't burst into flames :) ) and won't collapse, run a small intercooler and just blow a small amount of boost into her - more to get some more torque down low than anything else. A mate of mine did a blow through turbo into a pair of webers in a Datsun 1600 which did a few autocrosses before blowing the turbo - not enough oil to it, he thought - but was very successfull on an otherwise stockish L18 (bit of a cam is all). Cheers and thanks again. Steve > Funnily enough, if you starting from scratch today, you'd be mad NOT to > go EFI. I'd say that you got the last bit wrong. Replace "EFI" with "LPG". :-) SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 The state of infrastructure in New South Wales is a disgrace. I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. What have you got against power? ;) Cheers, Steve Allrighty - being that it's a weber like device - go to yahoogroups.com and sign up on the list 'carburetted-blowers'. It's what the blowthruturbo list was 'aborted into'. The list now is pretty much pathetic compared to it's earlier days. Next, use the search function to look in the archives. specifically get any posts by Jukka Harkola. He's a Fin who I have also talked with (via email) for we were both into minis some years back (afaik he still is). He also has a web page somewhere (I'll dig up the link) He ran a mini with the MG metro turbo setup (blowthrough hif SU) and then went to a dcoe (or was it dhla weber, I always bloody forget). They _can_ be a little bit tricky to get right for blowthrough. In particular it seems that emulsion tube selection is a tough cookie. What he found (and this was actually something done in the kit that used a weber or dellorto from Janspeed in the netherlands before the metro turbo) was that the 'best' way was to end up running small restrictor rings at the carb mouths. It wouldn't affect flow until near full throttle mid range rpms, so emulsion tube selection was easy, and beyond that (because flow roughly tracked with boost) it would cause a slightly disproporionate rise in the pressure before and after the rings, and the fuel bowl is pressurised from before the rings, so it would automatically provide a boost enrichment, and it worked a treat. The other thing which generally works very well on all fixed venturi carbs in a blowthrough (of which you are likely well aware) is a reduction in high speed air bleed size (or 'air corrector' size as referred to in weber/dellorto circles). Roughly speaking a good place to look is for one with around half the cross section area (which you'll need to calculate, as it's obviously not equivalent to half the diameter). SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@msn.com abuse@sprint.com abuse@earthlink.com fraudinfo@psinet.com sweep.day@accc.gov.au Beaker was a tweaker uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback $LOGIN@localhost $LOGNAME@localhost $USER@localhost $USER@$HOST -h1024@localhost root@mailloop.com president@whitehouse.gov vice.president@whitehouse.gov abuse@iprimus.com.au abuse@cia.gov abuse@fbi.gov abuse@asio.gov.au abuse@federalpolice.gov.au 3 for the Ford >>>Amongst locally made cars its top of the list. >> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > >Daryl Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. >> Who considers the Falcon GTHO a true classic? > >Me. >Amongst locally made cars its top of the list. > >Daryl One vote for The Falcon Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > Who considers the Falcon GTHO a true classic? I do, but it depends on how you define classic. -- Regards, Noddy. >> Who considers the Falcon GTHO a true classic? > >I do, but it depends on how you define classic. adj. 1. 1. Belonging to the highest rank or class. 2. Serving as the established model or standard: a classic example of colonial architecture. 3. Having lasting significance or worth; enduring. 2. 1. Adhering or conforming to established standards and principles: a classic piece of research. 2. Of a well-known type; typical: a classic mistake. 3. Of or characteristic of the literature, art, and culture of ancient Greece and Rome; classical. 4. 1. Formal, refined, and restrained in style. 2. Simple and harmonious; elegant: the classic cut of a suit; the classic lines of a clipper ship. 5. Having historical or literary associations: classic battlefields of the Civil War. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > 1. > 1. Belonging to the highest rank or class. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > 5. Having historical or literary associations: classic battlefields > of the Civil War. It certainly fits many of those descriptions (except for being colonial architecture :-) Michael > > 1. > > 1. Belonging to the highest rank or class. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Michael I would dispute that ;-) > 3. Having lasting significance or worth; enduring. That works. -- Regards, Noddy. >> 3. Having lasting significance or worth; enduring. > >That works. OK, 2 votes for the Ford Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. >> Who considers the Falcon GTHO a true classic? Me. SignatureRegards Dan >>> Who considers the Falcon GTHO a true classic? > >Me. Can you tell me what you consider classic..or do only V8s qualify? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > Who considers the Falcon GTHO a true classic? > > Oz1...of the 3 twins. > > I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. Raised hands for the foulcan and raised index fingers to you >> Who considers the Falcon GTHO a true classic? >> >> Oz1...of the 3 twins. >> >> I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. >Raised hands for the foulcan and raised index fingers to you You flip the bird to anyone who asks a question...? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. >>> Who considers the Falcon GTHO a true classic? >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > You flip the bird to anyone who asks a question...? Except the index finger isn't the middle finger. It's the one next to the thumb. Fraser > Who considers the Falcon GTHO a true classic? An Australian automotive classic, yes. Certainly not a "classic" by world standards (a la Porsche 911, Ferarri F40/Testarossa, etc), but the GTHOs are certainly classics in their own distinctive right. They have captured the hearts of Aussies (and some foreign buyers), and will hold a special place there for years to come. Other vehicles on my list: Any 70's Falcon coupe VL Walkinshaw (like it or loath it, it is certainly unique...) Ford EB/EL GT VT II SS (The car which started GenIII fever here in AU, and is still a lovely car to look at. GMH have not released a better looking car since the VT/VX ranges, IMHO) 2002 Monaro CV8 (not just a "2-door Commodore" in my (and many others') eyes. Forget the ugly scoops and nasty bumpers of the later models; I love the clean uncluttered look of the '02, and the VX interior is far smoother than later models with the VY upgrade) Admittedly, most of my favourite models are <20 years old... that's coz I'm only 24 myself ;-) g OK, someone who sees my point. The GTHO is a borderline shopping trolley compared to the real classics. Hell, the Cooper S is more classic. >> Who considers the Falcon GTHO a true classic? > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >g Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > OK, someone who sees my point. > The GTHO is a borderline shopping trolley compared to the real > classics. > Hell, the Cooper S is more classic. No more or less to me. Good cars in different ways. You're definition of "classic" seems to be heavily biased towards how it handles. -- Regards, Noddy. >> OK, someone who sees my point. >> The GTHO is a borderline shopping trolley compared to the real [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >You're definition of "classic" seems to be heavily biased towards how it >handles. Nope, not at all. The S gets my vote because it was innovative and fought and won well above its weight. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. >>>OK, someone who sees my point. >>>The GTHO is a borderline shopping trolley compared to the real [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > The S gets my vote because it was innovative and fought and won well > above its weight. My fondest memory of an S was watching the speedo of my mate car sit on 115mph almost all the way from Geelong to Melb, I think the half a tank of bennzol we filled up with had scrambled our brains:-) I remember feeling very unwell for several days. I think of the GT Falcon more as a fantastic grand tourer than as a race car, we did a trip to Bathurst from Melb. in 1970 and we cruised on 100-120 mph all the way up and all the way back and I don't remember once thinking we were going too fast:-) Daryl >My fondest memory of an S was watching the speedo of my mate car sit on >115mph almost all the way from Geelong to Melb, I think the half a tank [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Daryl Heh heh, mine is taking a kid who'd just bought an S thru The Royal in the very early hours of the morning to demonstrate that he had a whole lot to learn before he should continue to drive the way he was without killing himself and someone else. The car was a fully prepared Improved Prod car with every legal bit that Special Tuning could supply. He was totally speechless and quite grey when we stopped at Hargreaves Memorial. Didn't learn a thing, ended up with his S parked in the fork of a tree (fortunately) off the Alpine Way...if he'd have missed the tree, he would not have survived to the bottom of the cliff. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > Heh heh, mine is taking a kid who'd just bought an S thru The Royal in > the very early hours of the morning to demonstrate that he had a whole [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > (fortunately) off the Alpine Way...if he'd have missed the tree, he > would not have survived to the bottom of the cliff. Heh heh, I see a little psychology pathway in there that doesn't put you in a good light Oz, IMHO. If you don't see it, then don't worry, I must be blind. SignatureTake Care. ~~ Feral @..@ (\-- Ü--/) ((.>______<.)) ^^^ ^^^ >> Heh heh, mine is taking a kid who'd just bought an S thru The Royal in >> the very early hours of the morning to demonstrate that he had a whole [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >If you don't see it, then don't worry, I must be blind. Ahhh, It was over 30 years ago, I was racing, instructing and doing stupid things :-) Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > Ahhh, It was over 30 years ago, I was racing, instructing and doing > stupid things :-) Like setting "goals' huh? ;-) SignatureTake Care. ~~ Feral @..@ (\-- Ü--/) ((.>______<.)) ^^^ ^^^ > >> OK, someone who sees my point. > >> The GTHO is a borderline shopping trolley compared to the real [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > The S gets my vote because it was innovative and fought and won well > above its weight. So it's a 'classic' because the opposition were crap at the time (and bear in mind, I love minis, I just happen to think that half of their rep is from their ability to corner, and half is from the fact that nobody else had anything that was much chop). Which I suppose is a feather in it's cap. Put another way, though, the p3 had to go up against an (arguably) well switched on opposition from both holden and chrysler (and being a fan of things mopar, I tend to part company with any mopar fan who thinks mopar punters had little or no support from the factory) I guess what I'm trying to say (and probably not doing particularly well at this point) is that the mini is probably my favourite car of all time, for what it was capable of (in the hands of a decent modifier) with what it started with, but it _probably doesn't_ necessarily equate to it being a classic in the eyes of the Australian public nearly as much. Like it or not, even the most dyed in the wool holden or mopar fan would give the phase 3 it's kudos, not nearly the case with the cooper S. Being someone who raced them, I'm sure you'd also acknowledge that whilst their potential (for a siamese port, small bore/long stroke engine) was outrageous, the cost/effort invovled in maintaining them is perhaps a little disproportionate compared to some others. That would at least hold true with hypothetically fully legal historics, but I guess not with 'anything goes' because the heads and aftermarket bits for the dino v8s is now huge, and often pricey. SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@msn.com abuse@sprint.com abuse@earthlink.com fraudinfo@psinet.com sweep.day@accc.gov.au Beaker was a tweaker uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback $LOGIN@localhost $LOGNAME@localhost $USER@localhost $USER@$HOST -h1024@localhost root@mailloop.com president@whitehouse.gov vice.president@whitehouse.gov abuse@iprimus.com.au abuse@cia.gov abuse@fbi.gov abuse@asio.gov.au abuse@federalpolice.gov.au >> >> OK, someone who sees my point. >> >> The GTHO is a borderline shopping trolley compared to the real [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >not with 'anything goes' because the heads and aftermarket bits for the >dino v8s is now huge, and often pricey. Heh heh, I don't think that to be a classic, you need to meet the approval of Holden, Ford, or any other fan. Like I said, it is a classic because it was innovative and successful. Don't know that I'd say the opposition was "crap", the Lotus Cortinas and Escorts were there among many others Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > I guess what I'm trying to say (and probably not doing particularly well > at this point) is that the mini is probably my favourite car of all [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > would give the phase 3 it's kudos, not nearly the case with the cooper > S. Agreed. I've had a number of Mini's, and a lot of the guys I knew who were into V8 & hot 6 stuff could never understand the fascination I had with them. That is, until I took them for a drive in one :) One incident in particular I remember very well was a guy I knew who owned an XA GT who thought it was something special (it was just an XA GT, and they're pretty gay as GT's go) and was knocking my little "four pot", so I told him to get in and we'll go for a spin. This particular Mini was just a dunger olive green 850 body with a very nice 1310 in it, split 45's on a home made manifold, a set of beautiful hand turned velocity stacks I had an old metal spinner make for me, adjustable cones in the suspension set reasonably low, MkII brakes and a set of genuine Minilite's with some pretty soft rubber (can't remember what they were). I took it real easy until I turned onto the Richmond Boulevard just as a guy in an early 911 Turbo was turing in from the oppostive way, and it was on. As soon as I nailed it and it got on the cam the induction roar inside the car was deafening, and this guy's face lit up like a poker machine vommiting coins. The guy in the Porsche took off and left me for a tad on the straight section, but at the first corner I was right on his rear bumper and stayed that way until we got to the other end. This guy in the passenger's seat couldn't believe how hard this little "pommy shitheap" nailed him in the seat, and that it could stick right on the arse of a "big banger" Porsche in the twisties. The Porsche driver was more than a little surprised as well. After that episode, I got no end of interest from "V8 hoons" in the thing, and many requests for a quick sprint. I have no idea how fast the car could actually go as it didn't have a speedo and I never bothered doing the math off the Tach, but it certainly earned some respect. > Being someone who raced them, I'm sure you'd also acknowledge that > whilst their potential (for a siamese port, small bore/long stroke [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > not with 'anything goes' because the heads and aftermarket bits for the > dino v8s is now huge, and often pricey. Absolutely. Back in the days when I was mucking around with Mini's (which was *many* years ago), there was virtually nothing available for them to make them any more powerful than what they were apart from a few shitty inlet manifolds and tubular steel headers. I don't actively follow the Mini scene these days, but there seems to be a shitload of "good bits" around that I would have happily give my right nut to own when I had a Cooper S. Back then, I virtually had to make whatever I wanted, and every horsepower had to be chased with an absolute passion. -- Regards, Noddy. > Back then, I virtually had to make whatever I wanted, and every horsepower > had to be chased with an absolute passion. They never seamed to make that much power though. A mates fully worked mini race car was neck and neck with my 12a fake rx3 that was pretty close to standard. In fact the 12a was probably worse than standard because it was a turbo engine with a carby and no turbo. Michael > They never seamed to make that much power though. A mates fully worked > mini race car was neck and neck with my 12a fake rx3 that was pretty > close to standard. In fact the 12a was probably worse than standard > because it was a turbo engine with a carby and no turbo. Your mate mustn't have known sh.t from shoepolish then :) They were far from the most powerful car on the planet, but they could make well over 100 brake horsepower quite easily. Significantly more if you were willing to live life in the "really thin wall" block area. Combine that with a pretty low kerb weight and fantastic "out of the box" handling ability and your Mazda wouldn't have stood a snowdrops chance in hell on any track. -- Regards, Noddy. >> They never seamed to make that much power though. A mates fully worked >> mini race car was neck and neck with my 12a fake rx3 that was pretty [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >handling ability and your Mazda wouldn't have stood a snowdrops chance in >hell on any track. Agreed! Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > Your mate mustn't have known sh.t from shoepolish then :) > > They were far from the most powerful car on the planet, but they could > make well over 100 brake horsepower quite easily. Significantly more if > you were willing to live life in the "really thin wall" block area. Wow, 100 brake horsepower :-) The 12a was 130 standard. A webber, exhaust and homemade bridgeport and the mini wouldn't have standed a chance. > Combine that with a pretty low kerb weight and fantastic "out of the box" > handling ability and your Mazda wouldn't have stood a snowdrops chance in > hell on any track. I never said the mazda would beat it around the track. I've owned 1 mini for a short time and done quite a lot of hard driving in another friend's mini up the bush and I know they do handle. Michael > > Your mate mustn't have known sh.t from shoepolish then :) > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Wow, 100 brake horsepower :-) The 12a was 130 standard. A webber, exhaust > and homemade bridgeport and the mini wouldn't have standed a chance. You can get a mini under 600kg pretty bloody easily. what did the mazda weigh? SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@msn.com abuse@sprint.com abuse@earthlink.com fraudinfo@psinet.com sweep.day@accc.gov.au Beaker was a tweaker uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback $LOGIN@localhost $LOGNAME@localhost $USER@localhost $USER@$HOST -h1024@localhost root@mailloop.com president@whitehouse.gov vice.president@whitehouse.gov abuse@iprimus.com.au abuse@cia.gov abuse@fbi.gov abuse@asio.gov.au abuse@federalpolice.gov.au > You can get a mini under 600kg pretty bloody easily. what did the mazda > weigh? 900kgs standard. Michael > Wow, 100 brake horsepower :-) The 12a was 130 standard. A webber, exhaust > and homemade bridgeport and the mini wouldn't have standed a chance. Until you got to the first corner :) -- Regards, Noddy. >> Wow, 100 brake horsepower :-) The 12a was 130 standard. A webber, exhaust >> and homemade bridgeport and the mini wouldn't have standed a chance. > > Until you got to the first corner :) That is what I said. > -- > Regards, > Noddy. > Absolutely. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > days, but there seems to be a shitload of "good bits" around that I would > have happily give my right nut to own when I had a Cooper S. My mate Hans can make a Mini get up an go, just gives them a little blow job:-) http://www.hi-flow.com/ Daryl "D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message news:444dff79$0$510$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader- > My mate Hans can make a Mini get up an go, just gives them a little blow > job:-) > http://www.hi-flow.com/ Makes me wanna get one again :) Nice kit, but the manifold looks like crap with those hard 90 degree bends. -- Regards, Noddy. > "D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message > news:444dff79$0$510$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader- [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Nice kit, but the manifold looks like crap with those hard 90 degree bends. Not ideal but its all got to fit into a tiny engine bay somehow and they can very easily double your engines output. Bloody expensive though, the last time I asked I think he said the MGB kit was about $13,000, can't remember if that was fitted or not. Daryl >> "D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message >> news:444dff79$0$510$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader- [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Daryl Holy sh.t!!! The kit for my Verada was under $8000 and just short of $1000 to install! http://sprintex.linconline.net/Mitsubishi_Magna_VRX_AWD.asp Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > Holy sh.t!!! > The kit for my Verada was under $8000 and just short of $1000 to > install! > http://sprintex.linconline.net/Mitsubishi_Magna_VRX_AWD.asp You spent 9 grand on making a Magna go quick? Jesus. You *better* keep it for a while :) -- Regards, Noddy. >> Holy sh.t!!! >> The kit for my Verada was under $8000 and just short of $1000 to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Jesus. You *better* keep it for a while :) Oh I will. If it's anything like my other Magnas, it'll still be as good as new in another 6 years or so. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > Oh I will. > If it's anything like my other Magnas, it'll still be as good as new > in another 6 years or so. It's just a pity they're not very good new. :-) Michael >> Oh I will. >> If it's anything like my other Magnas, it'll still be as good as new [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Michael Ahhh yes, and you've owned one of course..... Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > Ahhh yes, and you've owned one of course..... Don't be silly. There's probably nothing wrong with a later model magna, espically a modified 4wd one but they are just sooooooo uncool. :-) Michael >> Ahhh yes, and you've owned one of course..... > >Don't be silly. There's probably nothing wrong with a later model magna, >espically a modified 4wd one but they are just sooooooo uncool. :-) > >Michael Why? They'll stay with a wrx , and ride far better. My Verada has out rexed more that a few rexs driven by people getting shaken around like rocks in a tin can while I was sitting back listening to my stereo. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > My Verada has out rexed more that a few rexs driven by people getting > shaken around like rocks in a tin can while I was sitting back > listening to my stereo. Sure. Is that with or without the blower? -- Regards, Noddy. >> My Verada has out rexed more that a few rexs driven by people getting >> shaken around like rocks in a tin can while I was sitting back [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Is that with or without the blower? With of course, and a little suspension work as well. It could hang on through twisty bits without, but now it's a breeze. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. >>> My Verada has out rexed more that a few rexs driven by people getting >>> shaken around like rocks in a tin can while I was sitting back [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > With of course, and a little suspension work as well. > It could hang on through twisty bits without, but now it's a breeze. If I spent 7k modifying my rex do you think your Verada would keep up with it? Fraser >>>> My Verada has out rexed more that a few rexs driven by people getting >>>> shaken around like rocks in a tin can while I was sitting back [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Fraser How much did your rex cost? Does it have leather upholstery and fit 5 people in comfort? And to answer your question..probably be a close match until your gearbox destroyed itself..unless of course you spent 5 of that 7 on a decent one :-) Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:40:17 +0800, "Fraser Johnston" > How much did your rex cost? $31 grand. > Does it have leather upholstery and fit 5 people in comfort? Yep. It's a Clubspec so it has leather and a sunroof. > And to answer your question..probably be a close match until your > gearbox destroyed itself..unless of course you spent 5 of that 7 on a > decent one :-) 3 grand for an STI box but the latest WRXs don't have the fragile gearbox problems. I'd probably spend $1k intercooler $1k exhaust $2.5k Motec and the rest on whiteline suspension gear, a high volume fuel pump and a heavy duty clutch. Fraser > 3 grand for an STI box but the latest WRXs don't have the fragile gearbox > problems. I'd probably spend $1k intercooler $1k exhaust $2.5k Motec and > the rest on whiteline suspension gear, a high volume fuel pump and a heavy > duty clutch. And then it would be "bye-bye Magna" big time :) -- Regards, Noddy. >> On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:40:17 +0800, "Fraser Johnston" >> How much did your rex cost? > >$31 grand. 2nd hand? they're $40ish new aren't they? >> Does it have leather upholstery and fit 5 people in comfort? > >Yep. It's a Clubspec so it has leather and a sunroof. Now tat's a stretch, 5 adults in comfort in a rex? >> And to answer your question..probably be a close match until your >> gearbox destroyed itself..unless of course you spent 5 of that 7 on a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Fraser Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. >>> On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:40:17 +0800, "Fraser Johnston" >>> How much did your rex cost? >> >>$31 grand. > 2nd hand? they're $40ish new aren't they? 2 years old. It was a bit of a bargain. $40ish new is about right. For $53 you are getting an STI which is going to waste most things this side of a Porsche. For that sort of money you are better off buying an Evo 9. >>> Does it have leather upholstery and fit 5 people in comfort? >> >>Yep. It's a Clubspec so it has leather and a sunroof. > > Now tat's a stretch, 5 adults in comfort in a rex? Regularly. As long as all 5 adults aren't 6 foot 4 rugby players. Frsaer >>>> On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:40:17 +0800, "Fraser Johnston" >>>> How much did your rex cost? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >$53 you are getting an STI which is going to waste most things this side of >a Porsche. For that sort of money you are better off buying an Evo 9. Checked the Subaru site, $57 for an STi, I'd have the Evo..... >>>> Does it have leather upholstery and fit 5 people in comfort? >>> >>>Yep. It's a Clubspec so it has leather and a sunroof. Does it have an LSD? >> Now tat's a stretch, 5 adults in comfort in a rex? > >Regularly. As long as all 5 adults aren't 6 foot 4 rugby players. Dunno about that, we do Syd - Mt Hotham regularly and with 3 in the back, even the Verada is a little snug. >Frsaer Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 21:27:47 +0800, "Fraser Johnston" > Checked the Subaru site, $57 for an STi, I'd have the Evo..... Gotta agree. The only Mitsi worth having. > Does it have an LSD? No LSD. >>> Now tat's a stretch, 5 adults in comfort in a rex? >> >>Regularly. As long as all 5 adults aren't 6 foot 4 rugby players. > > Dunno about that, we do Syd - Mt Hotham regularly and with 3 in the > back, even the Verada is a little snug. I rarely do long journeys with 5 adults. Mainly short ones. Last long trip I did was Perth to Margaret River with me, wifey, baby and the dog. Took the Forrestor GT and it was fine. Fraser > >> On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:40:17 +0800, "Fraser Johnston" > >> How much did your rex cost? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Now tat's a stretch, 5 adults in comfort in a rex? fwiw, I can't fit in them to drive them 'at all'. I could if I had to get someone to hospital, but I'd be slower than most, as I couldn't get my foot onto the clutch pedal without my leg warping the steering wheel out of the way. Having said, that I doubt you'd get 5 of my friends into a 380 or a magna comfortably. One of the 'best' fits aroud, front 2 at least was the ea ford with 'more flexible than a porn star' steering column adjustment scope. SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@msn.com abuse@sprint.com abuse@earthlink.com fraudinfo@psinet.com sweep.day@accc.gov.au Beaker was a tweaker uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback $LOGIN@localhost $LOGNAME@localhost $USER@localhost $USER@$HOST -h1024@localhost root@mailloop.com president@whitehouse.gov vice.president@whitehouse.gov abuse@iprimus.com.au abuse@cia.gov abuse@fbi.gov abuse@asio.gov.au abuse@federalpolice.gov.au > fwiw, I can't fit in them to drive them 'at all'. I could if I had to > get someone to hospital, but I'd be slower than most, as I couldn't get [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the ea ford with 'more flexible than a porn star' steering column > adjustment scope. Damn you must be a big lad John. My mate who's 6'4" and 110kg can drive my rex no worries. Of course he needs the seat right back. Fraser > > fwiw, I can't fit in them to drive them 'at all'. I could if I had to > > get someone to hospital, but I'd be slower than most, as I couldn't get [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Damn you must be a big lad John. TO be honest, I'm not in great shape right now. But even in shape, I have a slightly larger than average sized upper body for my height, but a ridiculously larger than average quads and calves. Many of my friends from work make me look like a jockey however. > My mate who's 6'4" and 110kg can drive my > rex no worries. Of course he needs the seat right back. I have been in one I was ok with, and it had the seat altered (not sure what was done, should have checked) because the driver was 6'5 SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@msn.com abuse@sprint.com abuse@earthlink.com fraudinfo@psinet.com sweep.day@accc.gov.au Beaker was a tweaker uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback $LOGIN@localhost $LOGNAME@localhost $USER@localhost $USER@$HOST -h1024@localhost root@mailloop.com president@whitehouse.gov vice.president@whitehouse.gov abuse@iprimus.com.au abuse@cia.gov abuse@fbi.gov abuse@asio.gov.au abuse@federalpolice.gov.au > How much did your rex cost? > Does it have leather upholstery and fit 5 people in comfort? > > And to answer your question..probably be a close match until your > gearbox destroyed itself..unless of course you spent 5 of that 7 on a > decent one :-) Hang on a sec, didn't you spend 8 just on the engine? Michael >> How much did your rex cost? >> Does it have leather upholstery and fit 5 people in comfort? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Michael yep, that's the point. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > Why? They'll stay with a wrx , and ride far better. > My Verada has out rexed more that a few rexs driven by people getting > shaken around like rocks in a tin can while I was sitting back > listening to my stereo. It doesn't matter, a magna is uncool. :-) Michael >> Why? They'll stay with a wrx , and ride far better. >> My Verada has out rexed more that a few rexs driven by people getting [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Michael Whatever. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. >> Holy sh.t!!! >> The kit for my Verada was under $8000 and just short of $1000 to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Jesus. You *better* keep it for a while :) There is a fool and his money round every corner :-) BTW, saw a cooper at Warwick over easter, The owner loves it to death, just re registered it for the 47th time. Was a nice car, used, not a show pony... Ron SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth >>> Holy sh.t!!! >>> The kit for my Verada was under $8000 and just short of $1000 to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >There is a fool and his money round every corner :-) And even one in your mirror! Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. "D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message news:444e083c$0$517$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader- > Not ideal but its all got to fit into a tiny engine bay somehow and they > can very easily double your engines output. > Bloody expensive though, the last time I asked I think he said the MGB kit > was about $13,000, can't remember if that was fitted or not. Holy bat sh.t man! For that money, I'd be wanting a free car :) -- Regards, Noddy. > "D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message > news:444e083c$0$517$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader- [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > For that money, I'd be wanting a free car :) Most of the kits go to the US, he struggles to keep up with customer orders so someone thinks they are good value. Daryl "D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message news:444f03bd$0$519$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader- > Most of the kits go to the US, he struggles to keep up with customer > orders so someone thinks they are good value. I suppose when you sonsider that you can spend 8 grand on a Paxton type blower kit for a Falcadore which doesn't have anywhere near the under bonnet clearance issues, his prices aren't too bad. Still, it's a lot of money :) -- Regards, Noddy. > "D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message > news:444f03bd$0$519$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader- [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Still, it's a lot of money :) AFAIK most of the money is in the blower itself. We were thinking about a supercharger for the mates Clubman and from memory he wanted between $7-8000 just for the supercharger. Daryl >> "D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message >> news:444f03bd$0$519$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader- [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Daryl $8000 for the whole kit for the Verada using a Sprintex! Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. >>>"D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message >>>news:444f03bd$0$519$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader- [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > $8000 for the whole kit for the Verada using a Sprintex! I think the ones he uses are a different type of supercharger which he claims are a much better design and are therefore more efficient. Th |
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