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Question: Is it possible to run an internal combustion engine with somthing other than motor oil as the lubricating or cooling agent? Does anyone know? > Question: Is it possible to run an internal combustion engine with > somthing other than motor oil as the lubricating or cooling agent? > Does anyone know? Of course . >> Question: Is it possible to run an internal combustion engine with >> somthing other than motor oil as the lubricating or cooling agent? >> Does anyone know? >> > Of course . But not for very long.... >>> Question: Is it possible to run an internal combustion engine with >>> somthing other than motor oil as the lubricating or cooling agent? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > But not for very long.... As a lad we used to feed our 2pokes with caster oil. > >>> Question: Is it possible to run an internal combustion engine with > >>> somthing other than motor oil as the lubricating or cooling agent? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > But not for very long.... > As a lad we used to feed our 2pokes with caster oil. Castor oil is more expensive than mineral oil to produce, but it is used in racing, or was when I was racing bikes. I think Castrol still use castor oil in their racing oils smells great > Castor oil is more expensive than mineral oil to produce, but it is used in > racing, or was when I was racing bikes. Part of that was because at the time, it was one of the only practical things that would mix with methanol for two stroke bikes. Same goes for some go karts I believe.  SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@msn.com abuse@sprint.com abuse@earthlink.com fraudinfo@psinet.com sweep.day@accc.gov.au Beaker was a tweaker uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback $LOGIN@localhost $LOGNAME@localhost $USER@localhost $USER@$HOST -h1024@localhost root@mailloop.com president@whitehouse.gov vice.president@whitehouse.gov abuse@iprimus.com.au abuse@cia.gov abuse@fbi.gov abuse@asio.gov.au abuse@federalpolice.gov.au >> Castor oil is more expensive than mineral oil to produce, but it is used in >> racing, or was when I was racing bikes. > > Part of that was because at the time, it was one of the only practical > things that would mix with methanol for two stroke bikes. Same goes for > some go karts I believe. The rotary engines WW I vintage ran on that stuff pre-mixed with the petrol or whatever it was that made the things go round and round - the piluts had to eat big heaps of cheese (AKA Bunghole) to compensate for it's interesting effects. Wonder if following too close for a few too many laps on a GoKart qualified for the cheese prescription? On second thoughts, don't answer that;-) SignatureToby. quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur > The rotary engines WW I vintage ran on that stuff pre-mixed with the > petrol or whatever it was that made the things go round and round - [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > On second thoughts, don't answer that;-) I can't with any certainty, as it's difficult to guage what effect my 5 year prison stretch had on the overall picture. FWIW, I've definitely heard that too - and that the 'scarf' wasn't to protect from cold, but to limit the ingestion of castor oil if possible. I've also read a story from the opposite side of the coin, where a drag racer in the 60s had such a bad cold that he had to stuff rags up his nostrils to make it through the 1/4 in his front engine dragster, and whilst he was coming back down the return road, he had the open face helmet and 'gas mask' off and a kid yelled out when he got to his crew area to another kid that it must have been because of the nitro fumes :) SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@msn.com abuse@sprint.com abuse@earthlink.com fraudinfo@psinet.com sweep.day@accc.gov.au Beaker was a tweaker uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback $LOGIN@localhost $LOGNAME@localhost $USER@localhost $USER@$HOST -h1024@localhost root@mailloop.com president@whitehouse.gov vice.president@whitehouse.gov abuse@iprimus.com.au abuse@cia.gov abuse@fbi.gov abuse@asio.gov.au abuse@federalpolice.gov.au >>>>> Question: Is it possible to run an internal combustion engine with >>>>> somthing other than motor oil as the lubricating or cooling agent? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I think Castrol still use castor oil in their racing oils > smells great Castrol R >>>> Question: Is it possible to run an internal combustion engine with >>>> somthing other than motor oil as the lubricating or cooling agent? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> But not for very long.... > As a lad we used to feed our 2pokes with caster oil. And I used to add it to the petrol to make it smell like I was running Castrol R in the my racing engine. Didn't have the cash to really build a race engine ;-) > Question: Is it possible to run an internal combustion engine with > somthing other than motor oil as the lubricating or cooling agent? > Does anyone know? Sure. You can run it with water in place of oil if you like, however it's service life will be severely affected :) -- Regards, Noddy. > Question: Is it possible to run an internal combustion engine with > somthing other than motor oil as the lubricating or cooling agent? > Does anyone know? Depends how long you want it to run. Why do you ask? Daryl >Question: Is it possible to run an internal combustion engine with >somthing other than motor oil as the lubricating or cooling agent? >Does anyone know? The only substitutes for mineral oils are the castor based and synthetics...thing is, they're still "motor oil" Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > Question: Is it possible to run an internal combustion engine with > somthing other than motor oil as the lubricating or cooling agent? > Does anyone know? Didn't they run a car from Sydney to Melbourne with no oil once? Just a tin of Nulon or something... >> Question: Is it possible to run an internal combustion engine with >> somthing other than motor oil as the lubricating or cooling agent? >> Does anyone know? > >Didn't they run a car from Sydney to Melbourne with no oil once? Just a >tin of Nulon or something... Did 2 laps of the Oran Park long circuit at race speed 8000-8500 rpm at each change in a Cooper S with no oil pressure (broken pin drive). Still had a sump full of oil with a dose of Lubysil. Engine survived and ran that afternoon in another race with just an oil change and a new oil pump. Strip down revealed few signs of scuffing. People regarded it as snake oil, but it worked for me. http://www.lubysil.com/us/index.htm Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > Did 2 laps of the Oran Park long circuit at race speed 8000-8500 rpm > at each change in a Cooper S with no oil pressure (broken pin drive). > Still had a sump full of oil with a dose of Lubysil. And the obvious stupid question is "why didn't you shut the engine down when the gauge read zero?" :) -- Regards, Noddy. >> Did 2 laps of the Oran Park long circuit at race speed 8000-8500 rpm >> at each change in a Cooper S with no oil pressure (broken pin drive). >> Still had a sump full of oil with a dose of Lubysil. > >And the obvious stupid question is "why didn't you shut the engine down when >the gauge read zero?" :) Because to get worse than 4th IIRC in that race would have shot my chances of winning the championship. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > >> Question: Is it possible to run an internal combustion engine with > >> somthing other than motor oil as the lubricating or cooling agent? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > People regarded it as snake oil, but it worked for me. > http://www.lubysil.com/us/index.htm That's an impressive story. Thr reason I say this is that normally, bearings without oil being delivered to the bearings clearance, suffer overheat and failure very quickly, let alone at 8000 rpm. The Lubysil mustbe great. Jason > Did 2 laps of the Oran Park long circuit at race speed > 8000-8500 rpm at each change in a Cooper S with no oil [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > People regarded it as snake oil, but it worked for me. > http://www.lubysil.com/us/index.htm My first and only experience with Lubysil SC100 was different. I'd added a dose to my VW 1200 beetle's engine oil, and was driving it hard on the Bruce Highway south from Rockhampton when a bigend bearing seized. If the formulation is still the same (some silicone compound), I would think that it would poison modern oxygen sensors fairly quickly. John >> Did 2 laps of the Oran Park long circuit at race speed >> 8000-8500 rpm at each change in a Cooper S with no oil [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >John Don't think I'd blame the Lubysil for a VeeDub destruction when driven hard :-) Don't know about the silicone..it would take a fair bit of oil burning to affect an O sensor I would think. Still, it was a long time ago..before we ever had them. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > Don't think I'd blame the Lubysil for a VeeDub destruction > when driven hard :-) Agreed, but I'd driven the car hard often before, and the recently-added Lubysil didn't /prevent/ the seizure. > Don't know about the silicone..it would take a fair bit of oil > burning to affect an O sensor I would think. It might depend on the exact chemical formulation I suppose. Silicon contamination from coolant leaking into the combustion chamber is listed as a common cause of sensor failure. Silicon in coolant would usually be in the form of silicates, not silicone. I think that at least one of the expensive Shell Helix flavours contains some silicone. > Still, it was a long time ago..before we ever had them. I notice Lubysil say nothing on the web site about its composition. Silicone was listed as an ingredient on the bottle in the old days. John >> Don't think I'd blame the Lubysil for a VeeDub destruction >> when driven hard :-) [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >John Haven't seen it in Australia for many years, have you? Are you the Henderson of Clubman Solutions? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > Haven't seen it in Australia for many years, have you? > Are you the Henderson of Clubman Solutions? Negative on both of those. John >> Haven't seen it in Australia for many years, have you? >> Are you the Henderson of Clubman Solutions? > >Negative on both of those. > >John OK, I think the Oz agent stopped bringing it in. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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