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Another couple of nails in the coffin. http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,18906069-421,00.html MITSUBISHI will further reduce daily production of its 380 sedan at Tonsley Park South Australia and is expected to soon drop back to a four-day-a-week operation. However, the car maker has dismissed claims by some of its workers that the plant will be split into a series of mini factory businesses to create a more flexible workforce. Mitsubishi Motors Australia spokesman Kevin Taylor confirmed that daily production of the 380 would be reduced but he would not reveal by how much. Mitsubishi builds 90 cars each day at the plant, which has the capacity to produce up to 180 cars a day with the workforce of 2000. "It will drop down, but not to 65 (as rumoured)," Mr Taylor said. Mr Taylor said there were no set plans to shift to a four-day week at Tonsley but he added the company was considering all options to keep production in line with falling sales in the large car segment. The Advertiser was told by Mitsubishi plant workers they had heard of plans to split up the different sections of the plant to create mini businesses with 100 workers or less - possibly to take advantage of new industrial relations laws which would make retrenching staff easier. "That's the first time I've heard of that," Mr Taylor said. "We're trying to reach an agreement with the union to be able to move people between shops." Mr Taylor said that allowance would improve the flexibility of the Tonsley workforce, which is being managed in a bid to avoid surplus stocks of the 380. About 5200 Mitsubishi 380s had been sold to the end of February, with the company planning to produce 27,500 in the car's first full year which ends in October.  SignatureRegards Dan > Another couple of nails in the coffin. > About 5200 Mitsubishi 380s had been sold to the end of February, with > the company planning to produce 27,500 in the car's first full year > which ends in October. ROTFLMAO Yeah right! It was hard yards to flog 5200, 27,500 is impossible, unless: A. There are sold for $50.00 (Double your money in scrap metal) B. Buy a Mitsubishi truck and get a car for free. C. Sell them for $29,000 with a company payback of $28,950. D. "Hard" advertising in gay magazines. E. Leaflet drop in all old folks homes, or F. Fit this to it: http://www.lonestarsound.com/hockey/ then, You think you love YOUR car? MercuryMistress.wmv SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth > About 5200 Mitsubishi 380s had been sold to the end of February, with the > company planning to produce 27,500 in the car's first full year which ends > in October. Hmmm... Mitsubishi sells as many 380's in six months as Holden sells Commodores in one, and they're reducing production *again*? Bye-bye MMAL. We'll miss you. -- Regards, Noddy. >> About 5200 Mitsubishi 380s had been sold to the end of February, with the >> company planning to produce 27,500 in the car's first full year which [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Bye-bye MMAL. We'll miss you. I feel sorry for all the poor bastards who'll lose their jobs. Fraser > I feel sorry for all the poor bastards who'll lose their jobs. Agreed. SignatureRegards Dan >>> About 5200 Mitsubishi 380s had been sold to the end of February, >>> with the company planning to produce 27,500 in the car's first full [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Fraser Another car company may take it over. Who knows, Chrysler, who built it, may take it make for a small sum :-) The cost to cleam mitseeshitsee from the place would be horrendous, not to mention hundreds of 380's that will need to be transported to the crusher....:-) Ron SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth >>>About 5200 Mitsubishi 380s had been sold to the end of February, with the >>>company planning to produce 27,500 in the car's first full year which [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Fraser Agreed 100%. Worst thing is (IMO), if they'd launched the 380 say 10 years ago, they could've become one of the bigger players in the large sedan market. Shitty timing will be their downfall....maybe Chrysler can buy the factory back and bring out the CN Valiant... Andy. >>>> About 5200 Mitsubishi 380s had been sold .to the end of February, >>>> with the company planning to produce 27,500 in the car's first full [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Andy. 10 years ago they were making the TE Magna, the best locally made sedan in 1996. Holden was busy recalling the VS commodore. >>>>> About 5200 Mitsubishi 380s had been sold .to the end of February, with >>>>> the company planning to produce 27,500 in the car's first full year [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > 10 years ago they were making the TE Magna, the best locally made sedan in > 1996. Holden was busy recalling the VS commodore. Yet Holden is successful and MMAL is dead. What gives? >>>>>> About 5200 Mitsubishi 380s had been sold .to the end of February, >>>>>> with the company planning to produce 27,500 in the car's first full [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Yet Holden is successful and MMAL is dead. What gives? Plenty of VS Commodores are still driving around but the TE's are scrap. >Plenty of VS Commodores are still driving around but the TE's are scrap. Sure they are....what an idiot you are! Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. >>>>>>>About 5200 Mitsubishi 380s had been sold .to the end of February, >>>>>>>with the company planning to produce 27,500 in the car's first full [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Plenty of VS Commodores are still driving around but the TE's are scrap. Says who? A stupid nigger like yourself who doesn't know where a side airbag is. Yeah right. I've always though of niggers as one step up from primates. And you just keep confirming it for me. >>>>>>>>About 5200 Mitsubishi 380s had been sold .to the end of February, >>>>>>>>with the company planning to produce 27,500 in the car's first full [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Says who? Simsmetal, most likely. A stupid nigger like yourself who doesn't know where a side > airbag is. Yeah right. I've always though of niggers as one step up from > primates. And you just keep confirming it for me. Keep digging... you'll be in China any day now. > 10 years ago they were making the TE Magna, the best locally made sedan in > 1996. Holden was busy recalling the VS commodore. Um, sorry, but the best locally made sedan in 1996 was the EFII Falcon. -- Regards, Noddy. >> 10 years ago they were making the TE Magna, the best locally made sedan in >> 1996. Holden was busy recalling the VS commodore. > >Um, sorry, but the best locally made sedan in 1996 was the EFII Falcon. Only in your opinion. The people who actually drove the cars were much better informed. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > Only in your opinion. > The people who actually drove the cars were much better informed. If that's the case, then sales figures would suggest otherwise, right? I'm not saying that the TE was a bad car. Far from it. However, in the role of a "family sedan", the EF had plenty of space, was rugged, reliable, cheap to run & maintain, towed well, and did everything a "family car" owner could want better than both the Commodore or the Magna. -- Regards, Noddy. > I'm not saying that the TE was a bad car. Far from it. However, in the > role of a "family sedan", the EF had plenty of space, was rugged, > reliable, cheap to run & maintain, towed well, and did everything a > "family car" owner could want better than both the Commodore or the Magna. Even though I didn't have my EL wagon for long but it was a great car and I still find the EF-EL dashboards to be one of the best designs for a falcon clean and well built. SignatureRegards Dan >> I'm not saying that the TE was a bad car. Far from it. However, in the >> role of a "family sedan", the EF had plenty of space, was rugged, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I still find the EF-EL dashboards to be one of the best designs for a > falcon clean and well built. Agreed, especially since the Falcon has copped some awful dash designs prior and since. The EL was a nice car all round. > The EL was a nice car all round. Agreed. Last of the "good" Falcons in my opinion. -- Regards, Noddy. >>Only in your opinion. >>The people who actually drove the cars were much better informed. > > If that's the case, then sales figures would suggest otherwise, right? No. > I'm not saying that the TE was a bad car. Far from it. However, in the role > of a "family sedan", the EF had plenty of space, was rugged, reliable, cheap [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Regards, > Noddy. How was it better than the magna? Why wasn't it car of the year 1996? > No. Oh, okay. So, everyone *knows* it's a good car, but they don't buy it anyway. You're not from Tasmania by any chance? > How was it better than the magna? Did you not read what I wrote in that last post, or were the words a little to big for you? > Why wasn't it car of the year 1996? Who f.cking knows, *or* cares. Given the list of previous recipients, the COTY award clearly means f.ck all to anyone who knows anything about cars. That clearly doesn't include you :) -- Regards, Noddy. >>No. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You're not from Tasmania by any chance? Most people don't know it's a good car. Most people don't buy Mercedes SL 55 AMG. They don't sell in great numbers. Does that mean they're crap? >>How was it better than the magna? > > Did you not read what I wrote in that last post, or were the words a little > to big for you? I read it. You still haven't said why the EFII was better than the TE Magna. >>Why wasn't it car of the year 1996? > > Who f.cking knows, *or* cares. Probably because it wasn't as good. > Given the list of previous recipients, the COTY award clearly means f.ck all > to anyone who knows anything about cars. Like what? > That clearly doesn't include you :) Clearly you have proven to be of aborigine mentality. > -- > Regards, > Noddy. > Most people don't know it's a good car. Most people don't buy Mercedes SL > 55 AMG. They don't sell in great numbers. Does that mean they're crap? They sell in better numbers than 380's :) > Like what? Like 75% of the previous winners. Explain to me if you will why the COTY award means the TE was the best car of it's year, and how the three Commodores that won weren't? -- Regards, Noddy. >>Most people don't know it's a good car. Most people don't buy Mercedes SL >>55 AMG. They don't sell in great numbers. Does that mean they're crap? > > They sell in better numbers than 380's :) Not here they don't. >>Like what? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Regards, > Noddy. Probably because 1 good car is better than 3 sh.t ones? >> "Serialpest" <magna@mitsubishi.com> wrote in message You're not from >> Tasmania by any chance? > > Most people don't know it's a good car. Most people don't buy Mercedes SL > 55 AMG. They don't sell in great numbers. Does that mean they're crap? No, in that particular case it means the cost of the car is way more than the market is willing to pay. Reaper >>> "Serialpest" <magna@mitsubishi.com> wrote in message You're not from >>> Tasmania by any chance? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Reaper Much like the Adventra? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. >>> Most people don't know it's a good car. Most people don't buy Mercedes >>> SL [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> > Much like the Adventra? IMHO the Adventra had some serious deficiencies in other areas. I did consider them in my last purchase but it lost mainly due to very poor range. The fuel tank was small and with the high fuel consumption it's range was seriously hampered. As a vehicle it was always a jacked up stationwagon (perfect for my usage) that was not as well executed as (say) the Territory or Kluger. Price may have been a factor for some but in most cases I suspect there were better alternatives for the money. Reaper >>>> Most people don't know it's a good car. Most people don't buy Mercedes >>>> SL [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Reaper I looked at them but wasn't impressed. Settled for the AWD Verada,,less space inside, but more everything else including range. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. >>>No. >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Like what? 1984 COTY JB Camira. Enough said... >>>>No. >>> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Enough said... Oops, typo, that should be 1982. >> 10 years ago they were making the TE Magna, the best locally made sedan in >> 1996. Holden was busy recalling the VS commodore. > Um, sorry, but the best locally made sedan in 1996 was the EFII Falcon. If Mitsu had added the AWD to magnas back in the TE era, and thrown a turbo or two onto the engine, it _might_ have been a better car than the EFII. SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 The state of infrastructure in New South Wales is a disgrace. I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. > If Mitsu had added the AWD to magnas back in the TE era, and thrown a > turbo > or two onto the engine, it _might_ have been a better car than the EFII. Yeah, but only if they did all of that would it have a chance :P -- Regards, Noddy. >> If Mitsu had added the AWD to magnas back in the TE era, and thrown a >> turbo or two onto the engine, it _might_ have been a better car than >> the EFII. > Yeah, but only if they did all of that would it have a chance :P That's the point, isn't it. They needed to do both back in TE. The AWD arrived several models later and the turbos never got there. SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 The state of infrastructure in New South Wales is a disgrace. I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. >>If Mitsu had added the AWD to magnas back in the TE era, and thrown a >>turbo [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Regards, > Noddy. It was a better car than the EFII. > It was a better car than the EFII. Why? Because some wanky magazine said so? :) -- Regards, Noddy. >>It was a better car than the EFII. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Regards, > Noddy. Oh no, Better engine, better transmission, much quieter, more reliable. > Oh no, Better engine, better transmission, much quieter, more reliable. Better how exactly? -- Regards, Noddy. >> Oh no, Better engine, better transmission, much quieter, more reliable. > >Better how exactly? Well, the engine was quieter and smoother, the car was more aerodynamic so used less fuel on the highway and again was quieter. Transmission was an adaptive shift, better box and better system than the 'power' button thing.....that's why everyone else uses them now. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > Well, the engine was quieter and smoother, That's *very* debatable. Both engines were reasonably smooth, and if I had to give the nod to the quieter of the two engines I'd pick the Ford. The Magna V6's always had a bit too much of a "whine" for me. Not that it was generally noticable inside the car much, but from the outside it was obvious. > the car was more aerodynamic so used less fuel on the highway and again > was quieter. Having a smaller engine, and being a smaller & lighter car helped too I expect. Never noticed much difference in NVH levels between them though to be honest. Incidentally, got a source for the drag figures of both? > Transmission was an adaptive shift, better box and better system than > the 'power' button thing.....that's why everyone else uses them now. Again, this is something I would disagree with. The first of the Ford 4 speed auto's weren't much at all, but from ED onwards they were fine. Very good in fact, and reasonably problem free. Their use in cabs is probably the best test they could get, and they handle it very well. I never struck any overly common problems with the Magna auto apart from their willingness to flare on changes if they weren't serviced regularly and with good quality fluid. As far as the selective shift thing goes, I personally couldn't care less. To me it's a gimmick that I don't care for in either car. -- Regards, Noddy. >> Well, the engine was quieter and smoother, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >bit too much of a "whine" for me. Not that it was generally noticable inside >the car much, but from the outside it was obvious. Never really worried about what other people could hear...my comfort is what it's about IMHO. >> the car was more aerodynamic so used less fuel on the highway and again >> was quieter. > >Having a smaller engine, and being a smaller & lighter car helped too I >expect. Never noticed much difference in NVH levels between them though to >be honest. I did, the moment I started the TE , the VS was a bucket of bolts by comparison. >Incidentally, got a source for the drag figures of both? Not atm, but they're around. >> Transmission was an adaptive shift, better box and better system than >> the 'power' button thing.....that's why everyone else uses them now. > >Again, this is something I would disagree with. >The first of the Ford 4 speed auto's weren't much at all, but from ED >onwards they were fine. Very good in fact, and reasonably problem free. >Their use in cabs is probably the best test they could get, and they handle >it very well. I never struck any overly common problems with the Magna auto >apart from their willingness to flare on changes if they weren't serviced >regularly and with good quality fluid. You needed the yellow stuff whatever that is. I'm afraid I don't regard durability when being flogged in a cab very highly....it means they continue to operate no matter how badly...you ridden in a sydney cab lately? >As far as the selective shift thing goes, I personally couldn't care less. >To me it's a gimmick that I don't care for in either car. TE didn't have that. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > I did, the moment I started the TE , the VS was a bucket of bolts by > comparison. VS? We were talking about an EF Falcon a minute ago :) > You needed the yellow stuff whatever that is. It's just gotta be the right type, and of reasonable quality. The biggest problem most people make with Magna (and Ford for that matter) transmissions is not using the correct fluid for the trans. Putting regular atf in a Magna trans is the quickest way I know of to f.ck one. > I'm afraid I don't regard durability when being flogged in a cab very > highly....it means they continue to operate no matter how badly...you > ridden in a sydney cab lately? I avoid Sydney if at all poosible. It's a shithole :) The point being that Ford transmissions stand up very well to the treatment of cab drivers, which says something of their capabilities. I personally haven't seen a Magna cab in Australia, but have a hunch that they wouldn't be quite as durable in that role. > TE didn't have that. I thought you said it did? -- Regards, Noddy. >> I did, the moment I started the TE , the VS was a bucket of bolts by >> comparison. > >VS? > >We were talking about an EF Falcon a minute ago :) were we...oh. >> You needed the yellow stuff whatever that is. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >I avoid Sydney if at all poosible. It's a shithole :) Good move >The point being that Ford transmissions stand up very well to the treatment >of cab drivers, which says something of their capabilities. I personally >haven't seen a Magna cab in Australia, but have a hunch that they wouldn't >be quite as durable in that role. I'm sure they wouldn't...not agricultural enough :-) >> TE didn't have that. > >I thought you said it did? adaptive! Computer controlled, adapts to driving style. I can always tell if my wife has been flogging the Verada, it has adapted to more agressive throttle and braking so it holds gears longer and doesn't upshift as quickly when I backoff. Within a few minutes of sedate driving it's upshifting early and back into doddle mode. The VZ has selective shift..useless because your hand are often not where the paddles are when cornering and you need to think ahead of the tranny to allow for the delay. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > adaptive! Beg pardon. I thought "selective". > Computer controlled, adapts to driving style. EF/EL was the same, but not as fussy :) > The VZ has selective shift..useless because your hand are often not > where the paddles are when cornering and you need to think ahead of > the tranny to allow for the delay. Selective shift defeats the entire purpose of an automatic transmission to me :) -- Regards, Noddy. > Incidentally, got a source for the drag figures of both? don't forget the slipstream effect from the tow truck in front of the mitsu. boom boom. SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@msn.com abuse@sprint.com abuse@earthlink.com fraudinfo@psinet.com sweep.day@accc.gov.au Beaker was a tweaker uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback $LOGIN@localhost $LOGNAME@localhost $USER@localhost $USER@$HOST -h1024@localhost root@mailloop.com president@whitehouse.gov vice.president@whitehouse.gov abuse@iprimus.com.au abuse@cia.gov abuse@fbi.gov abuse@asio.gov.au abuse@federalpolice.gov.au > don't forget the slipstream effect from the tow truck in front of the > mitsu. > > boom boom. You're in trouble now :) -- Regards, Noddy. >> don't forget the slipstream effect from the tow truck in front of the >> mitsu. >> >> boom boom. > >You're in trouble now :) I was asked a few times after I bought the TE if it was a new Jag, particularly as it was quite low and fitted with a pretty set of wheels. John's obviously just as confused :-) Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. >>> don't forget the slipstream effect from the tow truck in front of the >>> mitsu. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > particularly as it was quite low and fitted with a pretty set of > wheels. Driving through the blind institute and they could smell the oil leaking out of it? Fraser >>>> don't forget the slipstream effect from the tow truck in front of the >>>> mitsu. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Fraser Never known a Magna to leak oil....except for a driveshaft seal on the manual gearbox that would weep if someone overfilled the sealed box. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > Never known a Magna to leak oil.... You obviously haven't been looking for one :) They leak as bad as anything else. -- Regards, Noddy. >> Never known a Magna to leak oil.... > >You obviously haven't been looking for one :) > >They leak as bad as anything else. Never seen one, rarely seen any modern car leak oil unless it had a problem with crancase pressure. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > Never seen one, rarely seen any modern car leak oil unless it had a > problem with crancase pressure. Falcon, Commodore, Magna all have varying degrees of crank pully, rear main & converter seal leaks, as do many other vehicles. -- Regards, Noddy. >> Never seen one, rarely seen any modern car leak oil unless it had a >> problem with crancase pressure. > > Falcon, Commodore, Magna all have varying degrees of crank pully, rear > main & converter seal leaks, as do many other vehicles. That horrid magna I had, leaked oil from from every seal and gasket in the motor, at only 120,000 km!!!! SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth >>> Never seen one, rarely seen any modern car leak oil unless it had a >>> problem with crancase pressure. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >That horrid magna I had, leaked oil from from every seal and gasket in the >motor, at only 120,000 km!!!! Probably something to do with the mechanic that worked on it....ever check the PCV valve? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. >>Never seen one, rarely seen any modern car leak oil unless it had a >>problem with crancase pressure. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Regards, > Noddy. What about diff clunk? > What about diff clunk? What about CV knock? -- Regards, Noddy. >> What about diff clunk? > >What about CV knock? Yeah, it's a bummer. Can you hear it over the diff, engine and gearbox in a Holden? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > Can you hear it over the diff, engine and gearbox in a Holden? Not unless one is turning around the same corner as your Magna. -- Regards, Noddy. >> Can you hear it over the diff, engine and gearbox in a Holden? > >Not unless one is turning around the same corner as your Magna. I actually have to replace a CV boot on the TE this weekend. A headlight bulb and a CV boot in 10 years....bloody unreliable if you ask me! Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. >> Can you hear it over the diff, engine and gearbox in a Holden? > > Not unless one is turning around the same corner as your Magna. Now it must be getting tough for mitsu fans now they have to nit pick other brands to give themselves self confidence to justify why they own Magna's. :-) I don't own one and I don't want to own one why? because I don't have to own one. :-) SignatureRegards Dan >>> Can you hear it over the diff, engine and gearbox in a Holden? >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >one. >:-) Hang on, I wasn't the one who made the comment about CVs knocking! Oh, and unlike the Magna knockers, I've owned 3. Owned 2 Holdens and my comments stand....If you have no valid point of reference, you think what you have is perfect...look at the Yugo and Lada, and one brand car owners. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. >>>Can you hear it over the diff, engine and gearbox in a Holden? >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > one. > :-) Strange that you start so many threads about them. > Strange that you start so many threads about them. What, like you with your Commodore sh.t? -- Regards, Noddy. "Noddy" <dg4163@dodo.com.au> wrote in news:4451c71f$1 @news.comindico.com.au: >> Strange that you start so many threads about them. > > What, like you with your Commodore sh.t? Don't forget the gemini/camira line as well.... Ron SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth > What about CV knock? That's how I knew when I couldn't corner any harder in the Vortex. :-) SignatureTake Care. ~~ Feral @..@ (\-- Ü--/) ((.>______<.)) ^^^ ^^^ >> What about CV knock? > > That's how I knew when I couldn't corner any harder in the Vortex. :-) Subaru Vortex? What was it like? Fraser >>>What about CV knock? >> >>That's how I knew when I couldn't corner any harder in the Vortex. :-) > > Subaru Vortex? What was it like? Six years of driving pleasure. Turbo 1.8L boxer, AWD, adjustable suspension soft/firm, low/high (air). Drive it all day without any harm, vehicle or occupance. A very lucky Brisbane lady now drives it. Sad when it had to be traded in, couldn't fit a slide-on camper on top. :-( SignatureTake Care. ~~ Feral @..@ (\-- Ü--/) ((.>______<.)) ^^^ ^^^ > Sad when it had to be traded in, couldn't fit a slide-on > camper on top. :-( You weren't trying hard enough. :-p SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 The state of infrastructure in New South Wales is a disgrace. I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. > You weren't trying hard enough. :-p Lol :) And if he was able to, I think the end result would have improved the look of the car enormously :) -- Regards, Noddy. > And if he was able to, I think the end result would have improved the look > of the car enormously :) Looks don't count. Take you as an example shorty. :-P SignatureTake Care. ~~ Feral @..@ (\-- Ü--/) ((.>______<.)) ^^^ ^^^ "feral" <plonked@home.ru> wrote in message news:4451daaa$0$513$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader- > Looks don't count. Take you as an example shorty. :-P Pah!. Take a pill gramps :) I actually liked the Vortex as a car to drive, but thought it was very "asthetically challenged". I had one as a company car years ago when I worked at a dealership after someone traded it on a new Legend, and thooughly enjoyed caning the crap out of it. The only thing I didn't really like about it (apart from it's looks) was that all four air struts leaked like a sieve, and every morning I'd come out to find it sitting on it's belly in the gutter. -- Regards, Noddy. > "feral" <plonked@home.ru> wrote in message > news:4451daaa$0$513$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader- > >>Looks don't count. Take you as an example shorty. :-P > > Pah!. Take a pill gramps :) Ta. I took three. :-) > I actually liked the Vortex as a car to drive, but thought it was very > "asthetically challenged". I had one as a company car years ago when I > worked at a dealership after someone traded it on a new Legend, and > thooughly enjoyed caning the crap out of it. The original "wedge". Co-efficient of drag = .2 > The only thing I didn't really like about it (apart from it's looks) was > that all four air struts leaked like a sieve, and every morning I'd come out > to find it sitting on it's belly in the gutter. The only problem I had was getting the missus out of it. Fkn lead-footed women and turbo's. Nothing went wrong with the car for the seven years we had it. Unlike the Citreon, the Vortex could not rest on it's belly because of the suspension stops. Don't know why yours did that. SignatureTake Care. ~~ Feral @..@ (\-- Ü--/) ((.>______<.)) ^^^ ^^^ "feral" <plonked@home.ru> wrote in message news:4451e41c$0$517$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader- > Unlike the Citreon, the Vortex could not rest on it's belly because of the > suspension stops. > Don't know why yours did that. Yeah, that's what I meant. It wasn't *really* sitting on the ground with it's wheels in the air. Took forever to pump up though. -- Regards, Noddy. > "feral" <plonked@home.ru> wrote in message > news:4451e41c$0$517$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader- [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Took forever to pump up though. Only took mine about thirty seconds to go from "tarmac to rally". SignatureTake Care. ~~ Feral @..@ (\-- Ü--/) ((.>______<.)) ^^^ ^^^ >> "feral" <plonked@home.ru> wrote in message >> news:4451e41c$0$517$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader- [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Only took mine about thirty seconds to go from "tarmac to rally". I have an overwhelming urge to buy one and paint it matt black stealth fighter style. Fraser > I have an overwhelming urge to buy one and paint it matt black stealth > fighter style. I'll test it for you. :-) Gotta be the turbo though. SignatureTake Care. ~~ Feral @..@ (\-- Ü--/) ((.>______<.)) ^^^ ^^^ > "feral" <plonked@home.ru> wrote in message > news:4451daaa$0$513$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader- [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > worked at a dealership after someone traded it on a new Legend, and > thooughly enjoyed caning the crap out of it. yep, from a-b as quickly as f.cking possible to avoid being seen in the f.cking abortion. It honestly looks like the racing cars a mate of mine used to draw in grade one in primary school, which were basically a 3 4 5 right angled triangle (not that he knew what that was at the time) and 2 wheels > The only thing I didn't really like about it (apart from it's looks) was > that all four air struts leaked like a sieve, and every morning I'd come out > to find it sitting on it's belly in the gutter. ever had a citreon? (actually I understand if you don't wish to answer that in a public forum) SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@msn.com abuse@sprint.com abuse@earthlink.com fraudinfo@psinet.com sweep.day@accc.gov.au Beaker was a tweaker uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback $LOGIN@localhost $LOGNAME@localhost $USER@localhost $USER@$HOST -h1024@localhost root@mailloop.com president@whitehouse.gov vice.president@whitehouse.gov abuse@iprimus.com.au abuse@cia.gov abuse@fbi.gov abuse@asio.gov.au abuse@federalpolice.gov.au >ever had a citreon? (actually I understand if you don't wish to answer >that in a public forum) I had a BX19TRD back in the early 80's. 1.9litre diesel that ran on the smell of an oily rag, had tons of torque and went as hard as any 2 litre petrol back them. Had an unusual 'safety feature' to protect the pneumo suspension, if you went over a hump too fast, it'd blow a litle 1/4" hose off a pushon connector under the RH guard and the thing would sag down onto the bump stops. Push the pipe back on and it's just pump back up to whatever ride height you'd set it to. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > yep, from a-b as quickly as f.cking possible It was excellent at doing just that. > to avoid being seen in the > f.cking abortion. Seen lots worse. > It honestly looks like the racing cars a mate of mine > used to draw in grade one in primary school, which were basically a 3 4 > 5 right angled triangle (not that he knew what that was at the time) and > 2 wheels More like 2 4.5 5 > ever had a citreon? (actually I understand if you don't wish to answer > that in a public forum) French crap. SignatureTake Care. ~~ Feral @..@ (\-- Ü--/) ((.>______<.)) ^^^ ^^^ > ever had a citreon? (actually I understand if you don't wish to answer > that in a public forum) No I haven't, and I'd rather eat my own sh.t than have one. -- Regards, Noddy. > > ever had a citreon? (actually I understand if you don't wish to answer > > that in a public forum) > > No I haven't, and I'd rather eat my own sh.t than have one. That sounds ironically like an option the frogs would be completely ambivalent over. SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@msn.com abuse@sprint.com abuse@earthlink.com fraudinfo@psinet.com sweep.day@accc.gov.au Beaker was a tweaker uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback $LOGIN@localhost $LOGNAME@localhost $USER@localhost $USER@$HOST -h1024@localhost root@mailloop.com president@whitehouse.gov vice.president@whitehouse.gov abuse@iprimus.com.au abuse@cia.gov abuse@fbi.gov abuse@asio.gov.au abuse@federalpolice.gov.au > That sounds ironically like an option the frogs would be completely > ambivalent over. :) -- Regards, Noddy. > You weren't trying hard enough. :-p Not thinking hard enough was the problem. :-( Should have traded the Seca and lent the Vortex to son instead of the other way around (disconnect turbo of course). :-) SignatureTake Care. ~~ Feral @..@ (\-- Ü--/) ((.>______<.)) ^^^ ^^^ >>> Never seen one, rarely seen any modern car leak oil unless it had a >>> problem with crancase pressure. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > What about diff clunk? Thats your head being punched . >>>> Never seen one, rarely seen any modern car leak oil unless it had a >>>> problem with crancase pressure. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> What about diff clunk? >Thats your head being punched . By Holden? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. >>>>> don't forget the slipstream effect from the tow truck in front of the >>>>> mitsu. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Never known a Magna to leak oil....except for a driveshaft seal on the > manual gearbox that would weep if someone overfilled the sealed box. Camshaft seals always pissed oil on the 2.6, rocker cover gaskets, timing cover gaskets and sump gaskets also common. I guess you didn't look very hard. >Camshaft seals always pissed oil on the 2.6, rocker cover gaskets, timing >cover gaskets and sump gaskets also common. > >I guess you didn't look very hard. I was talking about the real Magna, not the shitbox that ruined the Magna name. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. >>Camshaft seals always pissed oil on the 2.6, rocker cover gaskets, timing >>cover gaskets and sump gaskets also common. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I was talking about the real Magna, not the shitbox that ruined the > Magna name. You didn't make that distinction previously. Later V6 Magna's (like I've asserted on a number of occasions) are pretty decent vehicles, all bullshit aside. > You didn't make that distinction previously. Later V6 Magna's (like I've > asserted on a number of occasions) are pretty decent vehicles, all > bullshit aside. I agree. However, I wouldn't go as far as Oz & pesticle by saying that they were vastly superior to their equivalent Holden or Ford model. They were okay cars on a par with anything Holden or Ford made, but on any given day you could get a sh.t one. Just like Holden & Ford. -- Regards, Noddy. >> You didn't make that distinction previously. Later V6 Magna's (like I've >> asserted on a number of occasions) are pretty decent vehicles, all [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Just like Holden & Ford. Never said they were "vastly superior" but they are better than the VZ commodore or at least on a par, and, after 10 years, have fallen behind Ford slightly in the last couple of years. Not in build mind you, but in design...Ford finally caught and passed em. 380 is at least as good as the Ford, and better than the very old VZ design. Time will tell, but my impression is that they will be more durable than both particularly in the body stiffness and resistance to rattles and squeaks. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. >>> You didn't make that distinction previously. Later V6 Magna's (like I've >>> asserted on a number of occasions) are pretty decent vehicles, all [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > than both particularly in the body stiffness and resistance to rattles > and squeaks. That's a pretty fair assessment IMO, but time will tell. The 380 interior has a kind of el-cheapo feel about it though... they could have done better there. >That's a pretty fair assessment IMO, but time will tell. >The 380 interior has a kind of el-cheapo feel about it though... they could >have done better there. I'm a little disappointed in the interior of the base model, it could have been done better, the VRX is pretty good, but you want to piss off the fake carbon fibre panels asap. The rest are actually quite good, leather upholstery is very good. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > That's a pretty fair assessment IMO, but time will tell. > The 380 interior has a kind of el-cheapo feel about it though... they > could have done better there. I think so too. They could have taken a leaf out of the Maxima's book. Even the base model has an excellent interior. -- Regards, Noddy. >> That's a pretty fair assessment IMO, but time will tell. >> The 380 interior has a kind of el-cheapo feel about it though... they [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >They could have taken a leaf out of the Maxima's book. Even the base model >has an excellent interior. But it's soooo f.cking UGLY! Looks like the big brother of a Prius. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > But it's soooo f.cking UGLY! > Looks like the big brother of a Prius. It ain't the prettiest car in the world, no, but it's a *far* cry from a late model Magna :) -- Regards, Noddy. >> But it's soooo f.cking UGLY! >> Looks like the big brother of a Prius. > >It ain't the prettiest car in the world, no, but it's a *far* cry from a >late model Magna :) I'd dispute that. Those slab panels on the Nissan are god aweful. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > I'd dispute that. Yeah, well, of course you would seeings how you *own* one of the f.cking ugly things :) > Those slab panels on the Nissan are god aweful. To each their own. Personally, the only part about the current Maxima that I find "questionable" is the front styling, and in particular the headlights. I don't know what school designers go to in order to learn how to make f.ck ugly headlights, but it sure is popular these days. The rest of the car is pretty innofensive. The Magna, on the other hand, looks like someone took a 10 year old body and gave it the world's worst cheap-arsed custom nose job, which I suppose is exactly what they did :) -- Regards, Noddy. >The Magna, on the other hand, looks like someone took a 10 year old body and >gave it the world's worst cheap-arsed custom nose job, which I suppose is >exactly what they did :) Exactly...I've toyed with plonking on a TJ nose...might if it ever gets a big front hit. The Maxima otoh just looks like a cheap arse design by a 10 year old :-) Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. >>>That's a pretty fair assessment IMO, but time will tell. >>>The 380 interior has a kind of el-cheapo feel about it though... they [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. The engine is sweet but its plainly built for the american market. The ride is tuned for comfort and the handling is typical maxima. Not a car intended to be driven fast on twisty roads. > The engine is sweet but its plainly built for the american market. The > ride is tuned for comfort and the handling is typical maxima. Not a car > intended to be driven fast on twisty roads. It may not be intended for "sports car" type driving, but it does a bloody good job of it. I recently returned from a week's holiday in New Zealand where I had a current model Maxima rental, and it was a brilliant car to drive on anything twisty. It's no WRX, but it's a fantastic tourer that's comfortable, quick and handles very well indeed. And yeah, the engine is very sweet indeed. -- Regards, Noddy. > It may not be intended for "sports car" type driving, but it does a bloody > good job of it. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > And yeah, the engine is very sweet indeed. They won't be happy if you left teeth marks on the engine Noddy! :-) SignatureRegards Dan > They won't be happy if you left teeth marks on the engine Noddy! > :-) The engine was a bit clacky when I handed it back. A few too many trips into the nether regions held on low gear with the handbrake on methinks :) -- Regards, Noddy. >> They won't be happy if you left teeth marks on the engine Noddy! >> :-) > > The engine was a bit clacky when I handed it back. A few too many trips > into the nether regions held on low gear with the handbrake on methinks :) Nice! Speaking of clanks late last night mate and I went out for a bit leave the mrs to have some free time with the bub. He has a BA XR8 ute and it lost a lung (dropped a valve) and the engine sh.ts itself. Called a tow truck got it back to myplace and rolled her into the garage went to the fridge and got some beer out turned on the stereo played a bit of metalica and ripped both her heads off to see the mess. Number 7 cylinder was a right mess with the nicely bent exhaust valve. My mate was not happy at all. Don't blame really. SignatureRegards Dan >>> They won't be happy if you left teeth marks on the engine Noddy! >>> :-) [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Don't blame really. One has to ask, what was he doing to that Ute for it to drop a valve? SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth >> Don't blame really. > > One has to ask, what was he doing to that Ute for it to drop a valve? Nothing really he drives like a grandma in this thing i'd say the valve retaining clip went on for a spell and then the valve dropped. SignatureRegards Dan >>> Don't blame really. >> >> One has to ask, what was he doing to that Ute for it to drop a valve? > >Nothing really he drives like a grandma in this thing i'd say the valve >retaining clip went on for a spell and then the valve dropped. Retaining clip? You mean collett? Did the head rip off the valve stem? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. >>>They won't be happy if you left teeth marks on the engine Noddy! >>>:-) [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Don't blame really. Awww. Bet he wished he has a 5/10 warranty on it like you know who...... >>It may not be intended for "sports car" type driving, but it does a bloody >>good job of it. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > They won't be happy if you left teeth marks on the engine Noddy! > :-) Noddy is more likely to leave teeth marks on his pillow. > I recently returned from a week's holiday in New Zealand where I had a > current model Maxima rental, and it was a brilliant car to drive on anything > twisty. It's no WRX, but it's a fantastic tourer that's comfortable, quick > and handles very well indeed. > > And yeah, the engine is very sweet indeed. Hey, get your own review. That's the Avalon. :-) SignatureTake Care. ~~ Feral @..@ (\-- Ü--/) ((.>______<.)) ^^^ ^^^ >> That's a pretty fair assessment IMO, but time will tell. >> The 380 interior has a kind of el-cheapo feel about it though... they [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > They could have taken a leaf out of the Maxima's book. Even the base model > has an excellent interior. I'd have to say the Maxima has the nicest looking dash of any car this side of a Pagani Zonda. Fraser >>>>>> don't forget the slipstream effect from the tow truck in front of >>>>>> the mitsu. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > I guess you didn't look very hard. The blind, don't :-) SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth >> don't forget the slipstream effect from the tow truck in front of the >> mitsu. >> >> boom boom. > > You're in trouble now :) LOL :-) SignatureNewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth >>10 years ago they were making the TE Magna, the best locally made sedan in >>1996. Holden was busy recalling the VS commodore. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Regards, > Noddy. No need to apologise for being wrong. TE magna was car of the year 1996. > No need to apologise for being wrong. TE magna was c |
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