>> Metho is about 95% ethanol. It's denatured to make it taste bad. Not only
>> that it's quite probably poisonous.
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> requires good gloves and good ventilation (almost as important as working
> with petrol!).

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>>> Metho is about 95% ethanol. It's denatured to make it taste bad.
>>> Not only that it's quite probably poisonous.
>> It's denatured with methanol. It's highly toxic and
>> carcinogenic, even from skin contact or vapour inhalation. Use
>> in BioDiesel production requires good gloves and good ventilation
>> (almost as important as working with petrol!).
>Feck, forgot to include the big red gloves and metal mixing bucket
>for mixing the methanol and drain cleaner to form sodium methoxide.
>At least remembered to write UN: 1230, Hachem: 2WE, flammable/toxic
>on the jerry can :-)
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A week or so back, A huge ammonia plant opened up in W.A. with
export contracts to China.
The usual suspects were taking all the credit, etc and one of the
mentioned the uses of ammonia, but stopped short after
"fertilisers".
Strange that he didn't mention EXPLOSIVES and missile propellants! :-)

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Patrick Young - 26 Apr 2006 09:13 GMT
> A week or so back, A huge ammonia plant opened up in W.A. with
> export contracts to China.
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>
> Strange that he didn't mention EXPLOSIVES and missile propellants! :-)
I find it's all quite easy to set up, put the fuel production shed next
to the drug lab shed, which is next to the hydroponics shed, which is
next to the explosives shed. This tends to provide enough income for
terrowwissiom. Heck, even I've got enough income from that to set up the
nuclear weapons production shed. Hmmm, feck, the back yard ain't big
enough :-( oh, might be able to squeeze it in, have to check with the
local council if that's OK.
Bugger, it all gets so confusing too when you don't keep all the
appropriate activities confined to the appropriate sheds. There are
serious OHS issues to consider which differ between sheds too.

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> Feck, forgot to include the big red gloves and metal mixing bucket
> for mixing the methanol and drain cleaner to form sodium methoxide.
What's that used for?

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Albm&ctd - 27 Apr 2006 03:41 GMT
> > Feck, forgot to include the big red gloves and metal mixing bucket
> > for mixing the methanol and drain cleaner to form sodium methoxide.
>
> What's that used for?
Making hippie diesel?
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>>> Feck, forgot to include the big red gloves and metal mixing bucket
>>> for mixing the methanol and drain cleaner to form sodium methoxide.
>>
>> What's that used for?
>>
> Making hippie diesel?
Oh. I was hoping it was highly explosive yet simple to make. I have some big
red gloves and a bucket! And some spare drain cleaner too.

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Patrick Young <patrick@hilux.ace.unsw.EDU.AU> - 27 Apr 2006 07:11 GMT
> Oh. I was hoping it was highly explosive yet simple to make. I have some big
> red gloves and a bucket! And some spare drain cleaner too.
Fairly simple to make. Everything is available at your local shopping
centre, including isopropyl alcohol at the chemist, greasy old oil from
the fast food joints, vinegar and drain cleaner from the supermarket, and
a pH meter at Dick Smith/Jaycar. Oh, gas burner/bottle from BBQ Galore.
Might need to find out where to source your methanol, burette, graduated
cylinder for titration, 200L drum with top cut off, etc.

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