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thecommentator - 27 Apr 2006 07:03 GMT
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Ron - 27 Apr 2006 07:47 GMT
> http://bulletin.ninemsn.com.au/bulletin/site/articleIDs/925C1DC8EDA9A58
> ECA257154000C99EB

Amazing isn't it!

Those buggers get petrol dirt cheap, STILL, compared to us.

Well if the yanky car manufactures go bum up, they can thank their
president!

If it wasn't for that trigger happy prick we would be all paying pre Iraq
prices, wheat board or not :-)
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DalienX - 27 Apr 2006 09:04 GMT
> > http://bulletin.ninemsn.com.au/bulletin/site/articleIDs/925C1DC8EDA9
> > A58 ECA257154000C99EB
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> If it wasn't for that trigger happy prick we would be all paying pre
> Iraq prices, wheat board or not :-)

yeah acording to that site they are paying $3us per gallon
that works out to $4au for 3.7liters so "just" over $1 a liter
Just JT - 27 Apr 2006 09:10 GMT
> yeah acording to that site they are paying $3us per gallon
> that works out to $4au for 3.7liters so "just" over $1 a liter
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US$3/gallon ~ Au$1.07/litre

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OzOne - 27 Apr 2006 09:44 GMT
>> yeah acording to that site they are paying $3us per gallon
>> that works out to $4au for 3.7liters so "just" over $1 a liter
>~~~~~~~~~~~~
>US$3/gallon ~ Au$1.07/litre

Au$ 0.73 + US$ 1.00.

WE pay for our oil in $US

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OzOne - 27 Apr 2006 09:41 GMT
http://www.gasbuddy.com/

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OzOne - 27 Apr 2006 09:42 GMT
>If it wasn't for that trigger happy prick we would be all paying pre Iraq
>prices, wheat board or not :-)

Nothing to do with Iraq, but instead the massively expanding economies
in Asia.

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D Walford - 27 Apr 2006 10:12 GMT
>>If it wasn't for that trigger happy prick we would be all paying pre Iraq
>>prices, wheat board or not :-)
>
> Nothing to do with Iraq, but instead the massively expanding economies
> in Asia.

George's family is making a bundle refining oil, its in his interest for
the price to skyrocket.
He will be out of office soon so he doesn't give a damm about anything
other than the size of his bank balance.

Daryl
Toby Ponsenby - 27 Apr 2006 10:26 GMT
>>>If it wasn't for that trigger happy prick we would be all paying pre Iraq
>>>prices, wheat board or not :-)
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>
> Daryl

And a few feelthy little secrets he'd rather not have publicized.
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OzOne - 27 Apr 2006 10:32 GMT
>And a few feelthy little secrets he'd rather not have publicized.

This is an interesting read on the subject.

http://www.newint.org/issue335/greasing.htm

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ant - 28 Apr 2006 01:36 GMT
>> If it wasn't for that trigger happy prick we would be all paying pre
>> Iraq prices, wheat board or not :-)
>
> Nothing to do with Iraq, but instead the massively expanding economies
> in Asia.

And everything in the US nowadays is made in China! They've outsourced so
much there, it's scary. Even their major ski brand, K2, took their
manufacturing to China (and put out a whole bunch of super american ra ra ra
ads!).
So they send all their money to China, the Chinese up and buy cars with it,
and syphon off the petrol. Cute.

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OzOne - 28 Apr 2006 01:39 GMT
>>> If it wasn't for that trigger happy prick we would be all paying pre
>>> Iraq prices, wheat board or not :-)
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>So they send all their money to China, the Chinese up and buy cars with it,
>and syphon off the petrol. Cute.

Yep, In the past I used to travel to the US very light on clothes.
I could buy all I wanted there, cheaper than at home and far better
"made in USA" quality.
Now...It's all made in China or some Sth American country...hell even
the Mexican souvenirs are made in Honduras these days!

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ant - 28 Apr 2006 06:06 GMT
> Yep, In the past I used to travel to the US very light on clothes.
> I could buy all I wanted there, cheaper than at home and far better
> "made in USA" quality.
> Now...It's all made in China or some Sth American country...hell even
> the Mexican souvenirs are made in Honduras these days!

I still buy up big on clothes and stuff, as they are heaps cheaper. China
seems their favourite clothing manufacturer (and shoes, but a lot of ours
are made there too), but one day I was rifling through the Eddie Bauer shop,
found a nice shirt, but inside it said "made in Australia"!
blah!

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ant - 28 Apr 2006 01:34 GMT
>> http://bulletin.ninemsn.com.au/bulletin/site/articleIDs/925C1DC8EDA9A58
>> ECA257154000C99EB
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> If it wasn't for that trigger happy prick we would be all paying pre
> Iraq prices, wheat board or not :-)

Yeah, it's ironic. The real biggie for the yank way of life, their economy,
everything, is petrol. They still use oil to heat their homes! And LPG is
really expensive over there (not sure why).
They are super dependant on oil, more than us. For this to be happening is
going to enrage even the right wing rednecks who support anyone who goes to
war.

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Jason James - 27 Apr 2006 19:45 GMT
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It's only a matter of time: expanding demand for fossil-fuel means higher
prices as the Arabs try to cash in on a reducing resource. Think what the
middle-east will do for export once oil reserves have dwindled..

The only answer, and this has been plain for sometime, is viable alternate
fueled vehicles. They will be heavy for a while until better battery
technology arrives. Until hydrogen fuelcells are more available and safe,
there will still be a place for petrol/diesel engines to complement electric
vehicles. Even SUVs will persist as a good platform for battery-banks. The
new Nickel-metal hydride cells we use in our cameras and high drain toys are
giving ever increasing amp-hour performance. A NiMh double A battery is now
around 2.5A/hour. Imagine how much energy that technology could provide in
larger, numerous banks.

Its interesting to note, that a 2.5 amp/hour rated NiMH AA cell, cant supply
2.5 amps for an hour, but rather is capable of a division of that rating eg
1 amp for 2.5 hrs.

When slotcars were the craze during the '60s, the game then to make a
Mabuchi 36D produce more power, was to rewind the armature with heavier
gauge wire ie more current = more flux = more power. Think about future
electric hybrid cars being "hotted up" :-)

Jason
Bernd Felsche - 28 Apr 2006 02:15 GMT
>The new Nickel-metal hydride cells we use in our cameras and high
>drain toys are giving ever increasing amp-hour performance. A NiMh
>double A battery is now around 2.5A/hour. Imagine how much energy
>that technology could provide in larger, numerous banks.

First; it's 2.5Ah i.e. 2.5 amperes for an hour (NOT per hour).
That's the chocolate wrapper because the rating is actually
determined on a longer (10-hour discharge) and the cell will have
significantly less capacity when discharged more rapidly. Even when
discharged slowly, it represents only about 11kJ in energy. (1.2V *
2.5 A * 3600)

Compare that to 1 kg of biodiesel which "contains" about 40 MJ.
Even allowing for thermal/combustion cycle inefficiencies, you'd
nett around 15 MJ ... at 250kJ/kg (I'm being generous for NiMH)
that's 60 kg of NiMH cells.

To carry the equivalent of just 5 litres of biodiesel, your electric
vehicle then needs 300 kg of NiMH AA cells.  Range is likely to be
somewhat less than 100 km.

Hardly efficient or practical. Nor economically feasible because of
the capital expenditure, the life of the batteries (probably around
3 years) and the energy required to make the batteries.

And then you still have to charge them. A full charge of about 45kWh
for the pack would cost around $7.50 when charged overnight in 10
hours, off the grid (17c/kWh) from a 3-phase power point ... and you
still have to try to resolve how electricity gets ONTO the grid...

If you buy the vegetable oil, methanol, etc, biodiesel costs about
90 cents a litre to produce. So the equivalent "recharge" cost is
under $6.00 and could take place almost anywhere in less than 3
minutes - if you dawdle.
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Jason James - 28 Apr 2006 07:06 GMT
> >The new Nickel-metal hydride cells we use in our cameras and high
> >drain toys are giving ever increasing amp-hour performance. A NiMh
> >double A battery is now around 2.5A/hour. Imagine how much energy
> >that technology could provide in larger, numerous banks.
>
> First; it's 2.5Ah i.e. 2.5 amperes for an hour (NOT per hour).

Bern,..I knew that. T'was a lowly radio tech :-)

> That's the chocolate wrapper because the rating is actually
> determined on a longer (10-hour discharge) and the cell will have
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> nett around 15 MJ ... at 250kJ/kg (I'm being generous for NiMH)
> that's 60 kg of NiMH cells.

Those figures aren't encouraging.

> To carry the equivalent of just 5 litres of biodiesel, your electric
> vehicle then needs 300 kg of NiMH AA cells.  Range is likely to be
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> under $6.00 and could take place almost anywhere in less than 3
> minutes - if you dawdle.

I guess we have a long way to go !!

Jason
Dirkmonger - 29 Apr 2006 05:50 GMT
Isn't there an electric sports car about to hit the market that does
0-100 in 4 seconds?  
No gears, full torque from standstill.  Unfortunately it's way out of
our price range but proves it can be done.

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ant - 28 Apr 2006 01:30 GMT
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Stahl's still got it!

"...Still, these Greenpeace-enraging SUVs were heavily evident on the New
York show stands, now plastered with badges proclaiming their ability to run
on hydrogen and/or ethanol-blend fuel.
That'll mean zip to most Americans, who know only one word for fuel
efficiency: hybrid. The endorsement of Toyota's Prius hatchback by leading
motoring authorities such as Cameron Diaz and Leonardo DiCaprio has created
a craze for petrol-electric technology ..."

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