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thecommentator - 27 Apr 2006 07:03 GMT http://bulletin.ninemsn.com.au/bulletin/site/articleIDs/925C1DC8EDA9A58ECA257154 000C99EB
Ron - 27 Apr 2006 07:47 GMT > http://bulletin.ninemsn.com.au/bulletin/site/articleIDs/925C1DC8EDA9A58 > ECA257154000C99EB Amazing isn't it!
Those buggers get petrol dirt cheap, STILL, compared to us.
Well if the yanky car manufactures go bum up, they can thank their president!
If it wasn't for that trigger happy prick we would be all paying pre Iraq prices, wheat board or not :-)
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DalienX - 27 Apr 2006 09:04 GMT > > http://bulletin.ninemsn.com.au/bulletin/site/articleIDs/925C1DC8EDA9 > > A58 ECA257154000C99EB [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > If it wasn't for that trigger happy prick we would be all paying pre > Iraq prices, wheat board or not :-) yeah acording to that site they are paying $3us per gallon that works out to $4au for 3.7liters so "just" over $1 a liter
Just JT - 27 Apr 2006 09:10 GMT > yeah acording to that site they are paying $3us per gallon > that works out to $4au for 3.7liters so "just" over $1 a liter ~~~~~~~~~~~~ US$3/gallon ~ Au$1.07/litre
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OzOne - 27 Apr 2006 09:44 GMT >> yeah acording to that site they are paying $3us per gallon >> that works out to $4au for 3.7liters so "just" over $1 a liter >~~~~~~~~~~~~ >US$3/gallon ~ Au$1.07/litre Au$ 0.73 + US$ 1.00.
WE pay for our oil in $US
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OzOne - 27 Apr 2006 09:41 GMT http://www.gasbuddy.com/
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OzOne - 27 Apr 2006 09:42 GMT >If it wasn't for that trigger happy prick we would be all paying pre Iraq >prices, wheat board or not :-) Nothing to do with Iraq, but instead the massively expanding economies in Asia.
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D Walford - 27 Apr 2006 10:12 GMT >>If it wasn't for that trigger happy prick we would be all paying pre Iraq >>prices, wheat board or not :-) > > Nothing to do with Iraq, but instead the massively expanding economies > in Asia. George's family is making a bundle refining oil, its in his interest for the price to skyrocket. He will be out of office soon so he doesn't give a damm about anything other than the size of his bank balance.
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Toby Ponsenby - 27 Apr 2006 10:26 GMT >>>If it wasn't for that trigger happy prick we would be all paying pre Iraq >>>prices, wheat board or not :-) [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Daryl And a few feelthy little secrets he'd rather not have publicized.
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OzOne - 27 Apr 2006 10:32 GMT >And a few feelthy little secrets he'd rather not have publicized. This is an interesting read on the subject.
http://www.newint.org/issue335/greasing.htm
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ant - 28 Apr 2006 01:36 GMT >> If it wasn't for that trigger happy prick we would be all paying pre >> Iraq prices, wheat board or not :-) > > Nothing to do with Iraq, but instead the massively expanding economies > in Asia. And everything in the US nowadays is made in China! They've outsourced so much there, it's scary. Even their major ski brand, K2, took their manufacturing to China (and put out a whole bunch of super american ra ra ra ads!). So they send all their money to China, the Chinese up and buy cars with it, and syphon off the petrol. Cute.
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OzOne - 28 Apr 2006 01:39 GMT >>> If it wasn't for that trigger happy prick we would be all paying pre >>> Iraq prices, wheat board or not :-) [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >So they send all their money to China, the Chinese up and buy cars with it, >and syphon off the petrol. Cute. Yep, In the past I used to travel to the US very light on clothes. I could buy all I wanted there, cheaper than at home and far better "made in USA" quality. Now...It's all made in China or some Sth American country...hell even the Mexican souvenirs are made in Honduras these days!
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ant - 28 Apr 2006 06:06 GMT > Yep, In the past I used to travel to the US very light on clothes. > I could buy all I wanted there, cheaper than at home and far better > "made in USA" quality. > Now...It's all made in China or some Sth American country...hell even > the Mexican souvenirs are made in Honduras these days! I still buy up big on clothes and stuff, as they are heaps cheaper. China seems their favourite clothing manufacturer (and shoes, but a lot of ours are made there too), but one day I was rifling through the Eddie Bauer shop, found a nice shirt, but inside it said "made in Australia"! blah!
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ant - 28 Apr 2006 01:34 GMT >> http://bulletin.ninemsn.com.au/bulletin/site/articleIDs/925C1DC8EDA9A58 >> ECA257154000C99EB [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > If it wasn't for that trigger happy prick we would be all paying pre > Iraq prices, wheat board or not :-) Yeah, it's ironic. The real biggie for the yank way of life, their economy, everything, is petrol. They still use oil to heat their homes! And LPG is really expensive over there (not sure why). They are super dependant on oil, more than us. For this to be happening is going to enrage even the right wing rednecks who support anyone who goes to war.
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Jason James - 27 Apr 2006 19:45 GMT http://bulletin.ninemsn.com.au/bulletin/site/articleIDs/925C1DC8EDA9A58ECA257154 000C99EB
It's only a matter of time: expanding demand for fossil-fuel means higher prices as the Arabs try to cash in on a reducing resource. Think what the middle-east will do for export once oil reserves have dwindled..
The only answer, and this has been plain for sometime, is viable alternate fueled vehicles. They will be heavy for a while until better battery technology arrives. Until hydrogen fuelcells are more available and safe, there will still be a place for petrol/diesel engines to complement electric vehicles. Even SUVs will persist as a good platform for battery-banks. The new Nickel-metal hydride cells we use in our cameras and high drain toys are giving ever increasing amp-hour performance. A NiMh double A battery is now around 2.5A/hour. Imagine how much energy that technology could provide in larger, numerous banks.
Its interesting to note, that a 2.5 amp/hour rated NiMH AA cell, cant supply 2.5 amps for an hour, but rather is capable of a division of that rating eg 1 amp for 2.5 hrs.
When slotcars were the craze during the '60s, the game then to make a Mabuchi 36D produce more power, was to rewind the armature with heavier gauge wire ie more current = more flux = more power. Think about future electric hybrid cars being "hotted up" :-)
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Bernd Felsche - 28 Apr 2006 02:15 GMT >The new Nickel-metal hydride cells we use in our cameras and high >drain toys are giving ever increasing amp-hour performance. A NiMh >double A battery is now around 2.5A/hour. Imagine how much energy >that technology could provide in larger, numerous banks. First; it's 2.5Ah i.e. 2.5 amperes for an hour (NOT per hour). That's the chocolate wrapper because the rating is actually determined on a longer (10-hour discharge) and the cell will have significantly less capacity when discharged more rapidly. Even when discharged slowly, it represents only about 11kJ in energy. (1.2V * 2.5 A * 3600)
Compare that to 1 kg of biodiesel which "contains" about 40 MJ. Even allowing for thermal/combustion cycle inefficiencies, you'd nett around 15 MJ ... at 250kJ/kg (I'm being generous for NiMH) that's 60 kg of NiMH cells.
To carry the equivalent of just 5 litres of biodiesel, your electric vehicle then needs 300 kg of NiMH AA cells. Range is likely to be somewhat less than 100 km.
Hardly efficient or practical. Nor economically feasible because of the capital expenditure, the life of the batteries (probably around 3 years) and the energy required to make the batteries.
And then you still have to charge them. A full charge of about 45kWh for the pack would cost around $7.50 when charged overnight in 10 hours, off the grid (17c/kWh) from a 3-phase power point ... and you still have to try to resolve how electricity gets ONTO the grid...
If you buy the vegetable oil, methanol, etc, biodiesel costs about 90 cents a litre to produce. So the equivalent "recharge" cost is under $6.00 and could take place almost anywhere in less than 3 minutes - if you dawdle.
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Jason James - 28 Apr 2006 07:06 GMT > >The new Nickel-metal hydride cells we use in our cameras and high > >drain toys are giving ever increasing amp-hour performance. A NiMh > >double A battery is now around 2.5A/hour. Imagine how much energy > >that technology could provide in larger, numerous banks. > > First; it's 2.5Ah i.e. 2.5 amperes for an hour (NOT per hour). Bern,..I knew that. T'was a lowly radio tech :-)
> That's the chocolate wrapper because the rating is actually > determined on a longer (10-hour discharge) and the cell will have [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > nett around 15 MJ ... at 250kJ/kg (I'm being generous for NiMH) > that's 60 kg of NiMH cells. Those figures aren't encouraging.
> To carry the equivalent of just 5 litres of biodiesel, your electric > vehicle then needs 300 kg of NiMH AA cells. Range is likely to be [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > under $6.00 and could take place almost anywhere in less than 3 > minutes - if you dawdle. I guess we have a long way to go !!
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Dirkmonger - 29 Apr 2006 05:50 GMT Isn't there an electric sports car about to hit the market that does 0-100 in 4 seconds? No gears, full torque from standstill. Unfortunately it's way out of our price range but proves it can be done.
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ant - 28 Apr 2006 01:30 GMT > http://bulletin.ninemsn.com.au/bulletin/site/articleIDs/925C1DC8EDA9A58ECA257154 000C99EB Stahl's still got it!
"...Still, these Greenpeace-enraging SUVs were heavily evident on the New York show stands, now plastered with badges proclaiming their ability to run on hydrogen and/or ethanol-blend fuel. That'll mean zip to most Americans, who know only one word for fuel efficiency: hybrid. The endorsement of Toyota's Prius hatchback by leading motoring authorities such as Cameron Diaz and Leonardo DiCaprio has created a craze for petrol-electric technology ..."
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