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Car Forum / Australian Car Forums / General Car Topics (Australian group) / March 2007Tunnel smash Melbourne
I gather melbournians will have a slow trip home this evening ? 5 or 6 cars ? > I gather melbournians will have a slow trip home this evening ? 5 or 6 > cars ? I got lucky today and only made deliveries to the Northern suburbs so I didn't have to go anywhere near the tunnel. Tonights peak hour is going to be a disaster. I'm not surprised a serious crash happened in the tunnel, it was only a matter of time, I wouldn't be surprised if the speed limit is permanently reduced to 60 because as we know reducing the speed limit fixes everything. Daryl > I'm not surprised a serious crash happened in the tunnel, it was only a > matter of time, I wouldn't be surprised if the speed limit is > permanently reduced to 60 because as we know reducing the speed limit > fixes everything. That's if anyone continues using it after this. ;) My wife freaks out when we go through there. Faster, faster, why is it taking so long? Where's the end? etc >> I'm not surprised a serious crash happened in the tunnel, it was only a >> matter of time, I wouldn't be surprised if the speed limit is [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > when we go through there. Faster, faster, why is it taking so long? > Where's the end? etc I used to dislike it but I use it so often I've gotten used to it. If she doesn't like driving in a car through there try it when 3 semi's are side by side and you are the truck in the middle, the amount of air the trucks are pushing causes lots of turbulance. Daryl >> I gather melbournians will have a slow trip home this evening ? 5 or >> 6 cars ? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Daryl I don't have you email so you wanna send it to me seeing you have moved ? >>> I gather melbournians will have a slow trip home this evening ? 5 or >>> 6 cars ? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> Daryl > I don't have you email so you wanna send it to me seeing you have moved ? Sent. Daryl > I gather melbournians will have a slow trip home this evening ? 5 or 6 > cars ? 3 semis and 4 cars 3 dead though more feared http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21432540-661,00.html > > I gather melbournians will have a slow trip home this evening ? 5 or 6 > > cars ? > > 3 semis and 4 cars > 3 dead though more fearedhttp://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21432540-661,00.html I'm just waiting to hear the phrase "speed related". >>> I gather melbournians will have a slow trip home this evening ? 5 or 6 >>> cars ? >> 3 semis and 4 cars >> 3 dead though more fearedhttp://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21432540-661,00.html > > I'm just waiting to hear the phrase "speed related". The trouble with a tunnel is when something goes wrong you have no where to go, on an open road you can choose to "go bush" to try and avoid hitting something. Apparently one truck stopped with a flat tyre, the truck behind him only just managed to stop but the one behind him couldn't stop so he swerved to avoid hitting the second truck but he ended up hitting a few cars with deadly results. I don't know if he was exceeding the speed limit (very few drivers speed because of the cameras) but it appears he was either driving too fast for the conditions or was traveling too close to the truck in front and doing either is asking for trouble in a large truck. Daryl >>>> I gather melbournians will have a slow trip home this evening ? 5 or 6 >>>> cars ? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Daryl I avoid that tunnel as much as possible. Truckies tend to stay right up your arse and this was destined to happen sooner or later. the tunnel is not designed for trucks at all and this will happen again and again. > I avoid that tunnel as much as possible. > Truckies tend to stay right up your arse and this was destined to happen > sooner or later. That would be due to the many cars sitting in the rh lane doing 10 kph under the limit, a heavily loaded truck needs to keep up its momentum up otherwise it will be going very slowly holding everyone up when climbing out of the tunnel. Funny how I often hear driver complaining about trucks tailgating but it almost never happens to me when I'm driving my car which is probably due to me knowing what the truck driver is trying to do and me doing everything possible to not hinder them, if car drivers simply just got out of the way (which is usually easy) instead of pigheadedly refusing to get out of the way then it wouldn't be such a problem. The other problem is the inaccuracy of many car speedo's, too many drivers think they are driving at the speed limit when really they are quite a bit below it, I know my truck speedo is very accurate (tested with GPS many times) and its speed limited to exactly 100kph yet I overtake lots of cars on freeways. > the tunnel is not designed for trucks at all and this will happen again > and again. I disagree with it not being designed for trucks and in fact I'll go as far as saying its exists because of the demands of commercial traffic, without commercial vehicle traffic there would be no way anyone could justify spending the money to build it. Daryl >> I avoid that tunnel as much as possible. >> Truckies tend to stay right up your arse and this was destined to [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Daryl There have been times when I've noticed trucks 3 abreast in the tunnel there is no runoff and they do swerve wildly if there is an obstruction cars doing the limit because of those f.cking speed cameras have been tailgated by trucks often. The limit should be lifted to 90 trucks should not stay in the right lane then. There are signs advising trucks to stay in the left lanes and they are ignored but the speed cameras dont pick that up. It will happen again and again unless they don;t do something. >>> I avoid that tunnel as much as possible. >>> Truckies tend to stay right up your arse and this was destined to [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > tailgated by trucks often. > The limit should be lifted to 90 I don't agree, it won't help heavily loaded trucks maintain their speed up the hills all that much which will make the speed differential even worse and if an incident does occur then the results will be even worse. > trucks should not stay in the right lane then. > There are signs advising trucks to stay in the left lanes and they are > ignored but the speed cameras dont pick that up. All traffic should keep left unless overtaking. My truck carries bulk goods which have little weight so I have no trouble staying at the speed limit even on the steepest part of the climb out of the tunnels. Too many car drivers assume wrongly that all trucks will go slowly up hills and think nothing of slowing them down by driving under the limit in the rh lane. > It will happen again and again unless they don;t do something. Agreed, I'm surprised its taken so long for this first serious incident to occur. Daryl >>>> I avoid that tunnel as much as possible. >>>> Truckies tend to stay right up your arse and this was destined to [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > Daryl You drive a semi or single bed truck daryl? >> Agreed, I'm surprised its taken so long for this first serious >> incident to occur. > You drive a semi or single bed truck daryl? Semi. A single rear axle DAF (CF 75.310) primemover with a 45' drop deck tautliner trailer. Daryl >>> I gather melbournians will have a slow trip home this evening ? 5 or 6 >>> cars ? >> 3 semis and 4 cars >> 3 dead though more fearedhttp://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21432540-661,00.html > > I'm just waiting to hear the phrase "speed related". I have driven it once , claustrophobic poorly designed and plain dangerous over anything above a Gerbil crawl comes to mind . "atec 77" <""atec77# \"@ hotmail.com"> wrote in message news:4603a111$0$4612$61c65585@un-2park-reader- > I have driven it once , claustrophobic poorly designed and plain dangerous > over anything above a Gerbil crawl comes to mind . Lol :) Coming from someone who lives in Queensland, which has far and away the *worst* roads in the country, I find that *very* amusing indeed :) -- Regards, Noddy. >>>> I gather melbournians will have a slow trip home this evening ? 5 or 6 >>>> cars ? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I have driven it once , claustrophobic poorly designed and plain dangerous > over anything above a Gerbil crawl comes to mind I travel thru that tunnel a few times a week. I have seen several near misses. The gradient near the exit causes loaded heavy vehicles to lose revs quickly. Some drivers hang on to a gear too long and other heavy vehicles quickly catch them. They swerve at the last minute with little or no indication or consideration for others. A speed limit of 90 would allow heavy vehicles a decent run uphill. Also, I would love to know which tyre went flat on the front truck. Bill On Mar 23, 9:27 pm, "Bill Stoney" <billsto...@hotmail.com> wrote:> I travel thru that tunnel a few times a week. > I have seen several near misses. > The gradient near the exit causes loaded heavy vehicles to lose revs [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > They swerve at the last minute with little or no indication or consideration > for others. That seems to be similar to what witnesses have described happening in this case. Apparently vehicles were merging from the LH to the centre lane to avoid the broken down truck in the LH lane. One truck however just came barreling through, cleaning up a couple of cars trying to do the same thing as he was (merge right). I would speculate he worked out the situation too late and did not give himself enough time to slow and allow others in front of him to merge right. Either that or he thought "screw 'em", which is less likely, you'd prefer to think anyway. It has to be said the car drivers should have probably have sorted themselves out earlier as well so they had more options that to rely on the truckie to let them in. I reckon this is probably a case of drivers just not looking ahead and spotting trouble. > On Mar 23, 9:27 pm, "Bill Stoney" <billsto...@hotmail.com> wrote:> I > travel thru that tunnel a few times a week. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > I reckon this is probably a case of drivers just not looking ahead and > spotting trouble. Nothing has changed since with driver behavior on Monash side of the tunnels. No particular type of vehicle. This week I've observed business as usual: - the smell of rubber whenever traffic bunches in the usual places at the usual times i nthe afternoon. Punters tailgating and/or not looking ahead enough. - those who insist on weaving and barging through moderate to heavy traffic which going on or near the speed limit. That extra 2 minutes must be important. - trucks pushing traffic for no reason. Very noticable example on Thursday morning in moderate heavy traffic flowing at the 80 limit was a b-double with 2 containers trying to muscle his way along the r/h lane. He was right up the arse of cars (who were following other trucks anyway) as they dropped into the westbound tunnel out of my view. Pointless dickhead driving. Everything old is new again. |
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