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3 days with a new Camry - my review

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VYBerlinaV8 - 29 Mar 2007 02:13 GMT
Following 3 days worth of driving in a new Camry hire car I thought I'd
put a brief review up, and see what others' opinions are on this car.

This week I had a business trip to Sydney (various locations around the
city) and used a hire car through one of the major providers.  I drove
around Canberra for about 50kms before I left, drove to Sydney, drove
around Sydney for 2 days (about 200kms), and then drove back last
night.

At first I didn't like the Camry much, because it felt a bit unwieldy,
and I couldn't see the extremeties of the car at all.  After a while I
got used to this, but still wasn't really comfortable about where the
edges (especially the rear) really were.  Around Canberra the
performance seemed adequate, but unimpressive (4cyl auto).  It took a
while to realise that the gearbox is a five speed auto, partly because
to get to fifth gear you move the selector sideways, but it's still
next to the '4' position.  The longer I had the car, the more I
disliked the gear selector (it moves all around the place, and is no
good for quick changes between drive and reverse when throwing uturns
or the like in Sydney streets).

Once I got out onto the Hume highway I discovered the reason the Camry
was made: cruising.  The cruise control was very accurate, and the car
was very quiet and comfortable at speed - at least as quiet as my
Berlina.  The auto box had to change gears a bit to maintain speed,
especially just after Goulburn were it would sometimes have to change
all the way back to 2nd to maintain my 118km/h cruise control speed
(buzzing away at 4500 rpm).  Generally though, high marks for freeway
work.

Once in Sydney traffic is discovered the Camry's biggest weakness.  It
just doesn't have the power to sneak into gaps or zip in front of other
traffic.  Sydney traffic moves a lot more quickly than Canberra, and the
Camry was only barely adequate, and had zero power in reserve.  On
several occasions I found myself cursing at the lack of power, despite
a floored throttle.  I would say my Astra is considerably quicker in
these circumstances.  I basically thrashed the thing the whole time I
was there.

The trip home was comfortable, much like the trip down.

One surprise was the fuel consumption.  The trip computer indicated
that by the time I was entering Sydney on the way there, my overall
average for the tank (I reset it when picking the car up) was only 6.7
l/100km.  During the city driving phase the average crept up to 8.3
l/100km, and when I got back to Canberra it had dropped back to 7.8
l/100km.  When I filled the tank I stopped on the first click, and a
quick calculation revealed the actual consumption to be about 8
l/100km.  Given the thrashing it copped in Sydney, that number is
amazing.

Other impressions?  Huge fuel tank gives great range (one fill at the
end of the whole trip).  Seats comfy.  Interior comfortable but not
very classy.  Boot average (not massive, but bigger than the 380 I
hired last year).  Very quiet and economical on cruise.  Nice build
quality.

Now the big question... would I buy one?  Probably not, unless I was
going to do lots more trips.  Around the city the clumsiness and lack
of power irritated me.  What I really want to do now is try a similar
trip in an Aurion.  I will be interested to see how the power and fuel
consumption differ.

Has anyone else driven the new Camry?  What were your thoughts?

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Michael C - 29 Mar 2007 02:23 GMT
> Once I got out onto the Hume highway I discovered the reason the Camry
> was made: cruising.  The cruise control was very accurate, and the car
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> (buzzing away at 4500 rpm).  Generally though, high marks for freeway
> work.

Are you sure that was second? 4,500rpm at 118 with another 3 gears to go we
leave it doing bugger all revs in 5th.

Michael
VYBerlinaV8 - 29 Mar 2007 04:18 GMT
Michael C Wrote:
> > Once I got out onto the Hume highway I discovered the reason the
> Camry
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>
> Michael

118km/h in 5th was about 2100rpm.

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Dan--- - 29 Mar 2007 06:40 GMT
>> Are you sure that was second? 4,500rpm at 118 with another 3 gears to go
>> we
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>
> 118km/h in 5th was about 2100rpm.

That's severely over geared for a 4 potter too many gears too little
power.

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Dan

John_H - 29 Mar 2007 06:22 GMT
>> Once I got out onto the Hume highway I discovered the reason the Camry
>> was made: cruising.  The cruise control was very accurate, and the car
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>Are you sure that was second? 4,500rpm at 118 with another 3 gears to go we
>leave it doing bugger all revs in 5th.

That's how they seem to make 'em these days.  Ridiculously overgeared
in the hope of keeping the official fuel consumption figure (and
emissions) low.

It's not unusual to find cars that won't make the rev limiter in the
top three gears... because they either hit the speed limiter first or
run out of puff.  Makes for a pig to drive, especially when it's an
auto.

(Even more unusual to find one set up that way that will actually
achieve the official fuel consumption figures under anything like
normal driving conditions.)

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Dan--- - 29 Mar 2007 06:47 GMT
> That's how they seem to make 'em these days.  Ridiculously overgeared in
> the hope of keeping the official fuel consumption figure (and emissions)
> low.

This is probably why I don't understand why some cars even need 5 or 6 or
7 speed automatic gearboxes. Its practically a waste having a 5 speed auto
in a 4 cylinder camry.

> It's not unusual to find cars that won't make the rev limiter in the top
> three gears... because they either hit the speed limiter first or run out
> of puff.  Makes for a pig to drive, especially when it's an auto.

Agreed thats why I want a manual transmission in my next car. No smart
arse gearbox to deal with. :-)

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Dan

Jason James - 29 Mar 2007 08:37 GMT
> >> Once I got out onto the Hume highway I discovered the reason the Camry
> >> was made: cruising.  The cruise control was very accurate, and the car
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> achieve the official fuel consumption figures under anything like
> normal driving conditions.)

The Camry engines have always been designed for low-down torque but with a
limited top-end, the idea being good town driveability and economy. The
manual 5SFE 2.2L as fitted to the earlier 1.35T Camrys, can easily pull the
car around an urban corner in 3rd gear (5 spd man) without vibration.  One 4
cyl engine which had obscene amounts of torque down low, but terrible
top-end and economy was the Astron 2600.

Jason
John_H - 29 Mar 2007 04:05 GMT
>Has anyone else driven the new Camry?  What were your thoughts?

Dealer lent me one the other day, while I was waiting for some
warranty work to be done.  NFI if it was the _new_ Camry or not but it
had SFA k's on the odo.

Apart from the what you couldn't see in the rear vision mirror (it had
about the worst rear window layout I've ever come across in a car)
driving the thing was about as exciting as treading on a dog turd
while walking.  The porridge stirring gearchange (it was a manual) and
the handbrake, apparently designed to be operated from the rear seat,
were also among its more exciting features.  The Getz (hire car) the
wife used to do her shopping on the same day was a sports car by
comparison.

Thank Christ I didn't need to go as far as she (or you) did.  :)

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VYBerlinaV8 - 29 Mar 2007 05:20 GMT
Last year I had a 1.4 litre Getz for 3 days in Melbourne, and found it
vastly better in city traffic than the Camry.  It was a lot easier to
rev it up and keep it on the boil.

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Daryl Walford - 29 Mar 2007 04:38 GMT
> Following 3 days worth of driving in a new Camry hire car I thought I'd
> put a brief review up, and see what others' opinions are on this car.
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>
> Has anyone else driven the new Camry?  What were your thoughts?

Good report.
I test drove one the day they were released, I only drove it for about
10klms and since we had the dealer principal in the car with me I
couldn't give it a more thorough testing.
In typical Toyota fashion it was well built and equipped, comfortable
and easy to drive but it lacked any zip (Black 5spd Sportivo with the
works).
Probably the main reason we didn't seriously consider it was the price,
at almost $38,000 on road it was IMO too expensive, our Impreza cost
about $6000.000 less on road and it performs and drives so much better.

Daryl
the_dawggie - 29 Mar 2007 06:55 GMT
On Mar 29, 11:13 am, VYBerlinaV8 <VYBerlinaV8.2o6...@no-
mx.phorums.com.au> wrote:

> Once in Sydney traffic is discovered the Camry's biggest weakness.  It
> just doesn't have the power to sneak into gaps or zip in front of other
> traffic.  Sydney traffic moves a lot more quickly than Canberra, and the

Cuntish type driving. I could with my 4x4, but don't. Yep that is what
will
happen at mentioned by me in an earlier post.

You want to drive that way, because?
VYBerlinaV8 - 29 Mar 2007 07:37 GMT
The usual city traffic things like needing to turn right, then left a
few streets up necessitates lane changes.  Use indicator of course, but
when someone gives you a gap, you don't stuff around taking 2 mins to do
a lane change.

Similarly, if you need to do a uturn, you wait for a gap, then get
going quickly before everyone has to hit the anchors so as not to hit
you.

If you turn left and enter a busy road, courtesy dictates that you get
up to speed quickly enough that the traffic now following doesn't have
to slow right down.

So rather than 'cuntish' type driving, it's driving that leads to
smooth traffic flow and maximum use of road space.

But thanks for your comments.

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the_dawggie - 29 Mar 2007 07:58 GMT
On Mar 29, 4:37 pm, VYBerlinaV8 <VYBerlinaV8.2o7...@no-
mx.phorums.com.au> wrote:

> The usual city traffic things like needing to turn right, then left a
> few streets up necessitates lane changes.  Use indicator of course, but
> when someone gives you a gap, you don't stuff around taking 2 mins to do
> a lane change.

No, my vehicle is quite capable of doing that.

> Similarly, if you need to do a uturn, you wait for a gap, then get
> going quickly before everyone has to hit the anchors so as not to hit
> you.

Yep stuffs things.

> If you turn left and enter a busy road, courtesy dictates that you get
> up to speed quickly enough that the traffic now following doesn't have
> to slow right down.

Agreed.

> So rather than 'cuntish' type driving, it's driving that leads to
> smooth traffic flow and maximum use of road space.

I don't agree it is. It has to be safe use of road space. That
would be a proper distance between vehicles, and space
available in case of error - as well as understanding of
how the various vehicle behaves, add in the "unknown"
driver factor.
VYBerlinaV8 - 30 Mar 2007 00:15 GMT
the_dawggie Wrote:
> It has to be safe use of road space. That
> would be a proper distance between vehicles, and space
> available in case of error - as well as understanding of
> how the various vehicle behaves, add in the "unknown"
> driver factor.

The theory is great, but in Sydney peak hour traffic people don't leave
that much space!  Hence the need to periodically give it a squirt.

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