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Has anyone seen the promo for Mondays ACA about dangerous truckies? Does the truck deliberately ramming and ensuing crash in a tunnel with the red merc ( i think) look like its staged? Surely if it was real the footage would be allover the CH9 news.  Signatureme43 > Surely if it was real the footage would be allover the CH9 news. My bet is it turns out to be 5 years old. >> Surely if it was real the footage would be allover the CH9 news. > > My bet is it turns out to be 5 years old. I really hope that they show all the dickheads in cars as well as the dickhead truckies, many times Ive seen cars duck infront of trucks thinking that that huge spot in front of that B Double was left for them 100m from a set of lights in a 70 or so area. Poor ole truckie has to almost lock up the trailer or something to stop hitting the car and if the gap was left he/she would have stoped fine. The Gene pool still needs more cholrine. >>> Surely if it was real the footage would be allover the CH9 news. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > The Gene pool still needs more cholrine. Road is for cars. Rail is for freight. >>>> Surely if it was real the footage would be allover the CH9 news. >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Road is for cars. Rail is for freight. yes i agree, lets start building rail lines to every major shopping centre and every servo in australia. a fine plan, and well thought out! >>>>> Surely if it was real the footage would be allover the CH9 news. >>>> My bet is it turns out to be 5 years old. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > and every servo in australia. a fine plan, and well thought out! > Stop being deliberatly inflamatory , you knwo rail between major centres works well >>>>>> Surely if it was real the footage would be allover the CH9 news. >>>>> My bet is it turns out to be 5 years old. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> Stop being deliberatly inflamatory , you knwo rail between major centres > works well sure does, for non time sensitive freight. and how do you get the freight from its terminus to end users? teleport? guess what percentage of big trucks in city centres during ther day are interstate trucks? less than 5%. guess what percentage of big trucks are carrying non interstate freight, like fuel, gas, earth related (rocks/fill/sand/etc) containers from wharf and rail depots, cars from wharf and rail to dealers inter-business large deliveries, and so on. how is an interstate rail system going to get rid of any of these trucks from city centres? >>>>>>> Surely if it was real the footage would be allover the CH9 news. >>>>>> My bet is it turns out to be 5 years old. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > sure does, for non time sensitive freight. threre is little freight that can really be classed as time sensitive . > and how do you get the freight from its terminus to end users? teleport? Nah trucks or sampans maybe > guess what percentage of big trucks in city centres during ther day are > interstate trucks? less than 5%. you think I care ? guess what percentage of big trucks are > carrying non interstate freight, like fuel, gas, earth related > (rocks/fill/sand/etc) containers from wharf and rail depots, cars from wharf > and rail to dealers inter-business large deliveries, and so on. how is an > interstate rail system going to get rid of any of these trucks from city > centres? Yawn . >>>>>>>> Surely if it was real the footage would be allover the CH9 news. >>>>>>> My bet is it turns out to be 5 years old. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> sure does, for non time sensitive freight. > threre is little freight that can really be classed as time sensitive . all overnight express from mail to multi-tonne items, including fresh food basically. the current supermarket arms race requires fresh food to be at supermarkets asap, something rail would not be able to achieve. it would require legislation telling supermarket chains they were no logner allowed to impose such time limits, until then good luck. remember, truck drivers dont want to be sitting in traffic, speeding along, being awake at all hours. but its simply a requirement of the job that now sees the public demanding goods and services for rock bottom prices and NOW NOW NOW! now the argument can always be, "well, dont be a truck driver, noone is forcing you to be" but some people have to, just like there need to be all manner of jobs seen as unpalatable by most of society. the difference with truck driving is that they have a 40-65 tonne truck at their command, and sohuld be treated with respect and care to avoid accidents and people getting hurt. not told "get from syd to melb in 8 hours" or "all truck drivers are c.nts, f.ck them" is that what you want to tell someone sitting on a quite efficient blunt instrument? >> and how do you get the freight from its terminus to end users? teleport? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> interstate trucks? less than 5%. > you think I care ? > guess what percentage of big trucks are >> carrying non interstate freight, like fuel, gas, earth related [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> city centres? > Yawn . yawn? all you can say is yawn? how pathetic. id love to see anyone, not just this anal polyp, answer that. the only suggestion i can think that might help would be to keep trucks over 10 tonnes off sydney roads between 6.30am-9.30am and 3pm - 6pm, but this would be a gamble and would increase inflation and create earlier/later peaks involving concentrations of trucks. would also need to employ more trucks and drivers to complete the current friehgt task, having hard time getting enough drivers as it is. > "atec 77" <""atec 7 7 \"@ hotmail dot com"> wrote in message If you really want to get into this trim a little otherwise many of us get bored . >> "atec 77" <""atec 7 7 \"@ hotmail dot com"> wrote in message > > If you really want to get into this trim a little otherwise many of us get > bored . you lack the skill of deeper argument. keen to get your 2 bobs in and create a scene, and then offer no articulation when its required. i suppose youre a troll, but either way its pathetic. >>> "atec 77" <""atec 7 7 \"@ hotmail dot com"> wrote in message >> If you really want to get into this trim a little otherwise many of us get >> bored . > > you lack the skill of deeper argument. Wrong as always keen to get your 2 bobs in and create > a scene, wrong as always and then offer no articulation when its required. YAWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN i suppose youre a > troll, wrong as always but either way its pathetic. in this yes I agree you are . >>>> "atec 77" <""atec 7 7 \"@ hotmail dot com"> wrote in message >>> If you really want to get into this trim a little otherwise many of us [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > but either way its pathetic. > in this yes I agree you are . you are but what am i? well done mate, effectively proven you have the intellect and maturity of a 12 year old. >>>>> "atec 77" <""atec 7 7 \"@ hotmail dot com"> wrote in message >>>> If you really want to get into this trim a little otherwise many of us [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > you are but what am i? well done mate, effectively proven you have the > intellect and maturity of a 12 year old. Well keep slanging if you want but I doubt I will bother to answer unless you mount some sort of defense "atec 77" <""atec 7 7 \"@ hotmail dot com"> wrote in message news:462dbea9$0$4610$61c65585@un-2park-reader- > If you really want to get into this trim a little otherwise many of us get > bored . Lol :) From the guy who will quote 200 lines just to add a single extra one on a regular basis :) -- Regards, Noddy. > Road is for cars. Rail is for freight. Christ another one! SignatureRegards Dan >>>> Surely if it was real the footage would be allover the CH9 news. >>> My bet is it turns out to be 5 years old. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Road is for cars. Rail is for freight. How do you suggest freight gets from the rail to its destination? Road is for freight, people commuting should use public transport. Daryl >>>>> Surely if it was real the footage would be allover the CH9 news. >>>> My bet is it turns out to be 5 years old. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Daryl Yoiu know damn well there are enormous numbers of people for whom public trans port is useless , now tell me how a farm hand gets to work at 5 am by public transport in upper timbutoo ? >>>>>> Surely if it was real the footage would be allover the CH9 news. >>>>> My bet is it turns out to be 5 years old. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > trans port is useless , now tell me how a farm hand gets to work at 5 am > by public transport in upper timbutoo ? I know public transport is next to useless for lots of people me included but its no more ridiculous to suggest all freight should go by rail than to suggest all commuters should use public transport. If Govts decided to spend a decent amounts on infrastructure rail could become viable as a alternative to road freight but until they do rail will remain only suitable for bulk goods not in a hurry. Daryl >>>>>>> Surely if it was real the footage would be allover the CH9 news. >>>>>> My bet is it turns out to be 5 years old. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > become viable as a alternative to road freight but until they do rail > will remain only suitable for bulk goods not in a hurry. See my other post about adding rails , I feel dirty now we agree . > Daryl > Yoiu know damn well there are enormous numbers of people for whom public > trans port is useless , now tell me how a farm hand gets to work at 5 am > by public transport in upper timbutoo ? He takes the 4:05 Bus from Ispwich to 'Godknowswhere' and transfers to the 4:28 to 'fuc`noes' and then by 5am should be in Upper Timbuctoo. >> Yoiu know damn well there are enormous numbers of people for whom public >> trans port is useless , now tell me how a farm hand gets to work at 5 am >> by public transport in upper timbutoo ? > > He takes the 4:05 Bus from Ispwich to 'Godknowswhere' and transfers to the > 4:28 to 'fuc`noes' and then by 5am should be in Upper Timbuctoo. Upper Timbuctoo is near aspley , you sent him the wrong way . >> Road is for cars. Rail is for freight. > How do you suggest freight gets from the rail to its destination? > Road is for freight, people commuting should use public transport. I agree and disagree with both of you. :-) Properly implemented, containerised freight can be very viably moved interstate by rail and delivered locally by short haul truck drivers (like Daryl). :-) Similarly, for repeated commuter travel that is "within scope" of a passenger rail network, rail is absolutely the best option. However, in applications where rail services simply don't exist, both people and freight have to move by road. It's all about balance. http://cust.idl.com.au/athol/download/External%20Sydney%20Ring%20Road.pdf http://cust.idl.com.au/athol/download/Northern%20Beaches%20Rail.pdf SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. >>>Road is for cars. Rail is for freight. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > http://cust.idl.com.au/athol/download/Northern%20Beaches%20Rail.pdf I keep hearing people say Public transport is not the solution well I wonder where the majority of single occupant vehicles are heading during peak times? the same place the trains and buses go and at the same time so of course there is always going to be a number of people that can't use public transport due to it's limitations but almost every office worker in the city could go by train/bus that would probably 1/2 the number of cars trying to get into the city and back every day Friend of ours just got a new job in the Fortitude Valley(Brisbane) working in the same office block as her daughter, they both travel by car to work(in the same car), thing is they live 500m from the Morayfield train station and their office is 200m from the valley train station, but between the two of them it's about $40 a week cheaper to drive in the old clunker Daewoo so instead of the State and Local Govt spending billions on a stupid tunnel they could just use that money to upgrade the rail, introduce a light rail and make fares cheaper Kev >>>> Road is for cars. Rail is for freight. >> [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > Kev My brother in law was before his retirement supposed to be organising the light rail adjustments , I am glad he has no say anymore in light of the heated conversations we had , shite like putting on more cabs because he didn't like to wait getting home via a cab on Fridays how do you say "completly out of touch"???. >>>> Surely if it was real the footage would be allover the CH9 news. >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Road is for cars. Rail is for freight. SO how did you intend on gettign freight from the railway station to the shop or your door? >>>>> Surely if it was real the footage would be allover the CH9 news. >>>> My bet is it turns out to be 5 years old. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > SO how did you intend on gettign freight from the railway station to the > shop or your door? Throw it ? >>>>>> Surely if it was real the footage would be allover the CH9 news. >>>>> My bet is it turns out to be 5 years old. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> shop or your door? > Throw it ? :O) Here sir, you new 60Inch LCD telly (customer watches it being tossed from the rail freight into the back of the ute) fresh from the shop in Perth (we cant deliver to Eastern seaboard due to freigh issues) enjoy, By the way heres a tube of super glue for the screen. >>>>>>> Surely if it was real the footage would be allover the CH9 news. >>>>>> My bet is it turns out to be 5 years old. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > (we cant deliver to Eastern seaboard due to freigh issues) enjoy, By the way > heres a tube of super glue for the screen. Well it's no sillier than some of the other shite suggested :) the shop or your door? >>> Throw it ? >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> > Well it's no sillier than some of the other shite suggested :) what's worse is it actually happens, I've seen it with my own eyes years ago I had the misfortune of having to deliver stuff to the Roma St rail yards, fragile things like Stainless steel Hospital beds and frames etc., and we always got a couple of returns, how they managed to bend 2x3inch 2mm stainless steel frames is beyond me but it happened regularly, and not just pushed out of square either, but the tubing bent and I did a month delivering light aluminium window arwnings, I don't know why the Company sent such things by rail because most of it was damaged in transit Kev > the shop or your door? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Kev Last week I sent by courier a special pc to a client , a VERY big$ Sun blade server brand new in the shipping box , they bent it betweent here and Beaudesert , then claimed no responsibility .On examination the hard case box had a chunck missing from the corner , they paid to replace it I guess the 22kg was to much and lifting it off the truck by fork was some clever idea . > Has anyone seen the promo for Mondays ACA about dangerous truckies? Does > the truck deliberately ramming and ensuing crash in a tunnel with the > red merc ( i think) look like its staged? Surely if it was real the > footage would be allover the CH9 news. I saw it briefly on the telly the other night, and it looked to me as if the truckie got sick of sitting up the arse of the car that was filming him and decided to go around, without knowing the red car was right beside him. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he had no idea the car was there, but then again it wouldn't surprise me if the whole thing was staged for ratings either. -- Regards, Noddy. >>Has anyone seen the promo for Mondays ACA about dangerous truckies? Does >>the truck deliberately ramming and ensuing crash in a tunnel with the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I saw it briefly on the telly the other night, and it looked to me as if the > truckie got sick of sitting up the arse of the car that was filming him because they intentionally drove slow in front of the truck just to get some sensationalist footage > and > decided to go around, without knowing the red car was right beside him. > > Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he had no idea the car was there, > but then again it wouldn't surprise me if the whole thing was staged for > ratings either. so they sort of caused a crash just to get a story sounds about right for these fuckwits Kev > because they intentionally drove slow in front of the truck just to get > some sensationalist footage Maybe, but they looked like they were going as fast as everyone else. > so they sort of caused a crash just to get a story > > sounds about right for these fuckwits Be that as it may, if the event *wasn't* staged the moronic truck driver has no right to just change lanes (without using an indicator I might add) in such a manner. As I said I only saw it briefly, but what it looked like to me was the normal everyday action of a lot of truckies. Impatient, stupid behavior all because they can't be bothered waiting behind someone like everyone else. -- Regards, Noddy. It would scare the sh.t out of you if you were the car driver pushed sideways at 80ks by a friggin huge semi. Signatureme43 >> because they intentionally drove slow in front of the truck just to get >> some sensationalist footage [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > all because they can't be bothered waiting behind someone like everyone > else. wait are you talking about trucks or cars? coz youve jsut described both really. > -- > Regards, > Noddy. > wait are you talking about trucks or cars? coz youve jsut described both > really. Indeed. However, when car drivers do that sh.t the potential for disaster is less likely. Not that that is an excuse in any way, but someone driving 50 tonnes of unforgiving metal has an obligation to be especially careful in my opinion, and a lot aren't. -- Regards, Noddy. >> wait are you talking about trucks or cars? coz youve jsut described both >> really. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > of unforgiving metal has an obligation to be especially careful in my > opinion, and a lot aren't. When you drive a truck in the city its easy to understand how some drivers lose their cool and then drive badly. IMO it should be compulsory for everyone with a car license to spend a couple of hours every couple of years in a large truck so they understand why we are always complaining about the very poor driving standard of too many car drivers. Its like walking around carrying a loaded gun and resisting the temptation to shoot every fuckwit you meet, its not always easy:-) Daryl >>> wait are you talking about trucks or cars? coz youve jsut described >>> both really. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Daryl Or make the drops when the majority of traffic is not there , simple fact is as a "professional" driver the bloke in the truck should be sufficiently trained to deal with conditions , and that doesn't mean punting a Merc in a straight line . >>>> wait are you talking about trucks or cars? coz youve jsut described >>>> both really. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> Daryl > Or make the drops when the majority of traffic is not there , If trucks only work locally at night that means people who receive goods will also have to work nights so all it would do is shift the busy traffic times. simple > fact is as a "professional" driver the bloke in the truck should be > sufficiently trained to deal with conditions Good theory, who carries out and pays for the sainthood training? , and that doesn't mean > punting a Merc in a straight line . What does that mean? Daryl >>>>> wait are you talking about trucks or cars? coz youve jsut described >>>>> both really. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > will also have to work nights so all it would do is shift the busy > traffic times. a couple of hours should do seeing many places are open to 8 or 9 pm > simple >> fact is as a "professional" driver the bloke in the truck should be >> sufficiently trained to deal with conditions > > Good theory, who carries out and pays for the sainthood training? Not my problem , and fyi I am just making some other suggestions , you had your chance . > , and that doesn't mean >> punting a Merc in a straight line . > > What does that mean? A tunnel reference > Daryl "atec 77" <""atec 7 7 \"@ hotmail dot com"> wrote in message news:462c77ab$0$4607$61c65585@un-2park-reader- > Or make the drops when the majority of traffic is not there , simple fact > is as a "professional" driver the bloke in the truck should be > sufficiently trained to deal with conditions , and that doesn't mean > punting a Merc in a straight line . For what it's worth, I think that whole episode of pushing the car through the tunnel was completely staged for the cameras :) -- Regards, Noddy. > "atec 77" <""atec 7 7 \"@ hotmail dot com"> wrote in message > news:462c77ab$0$4607$61c65585@un-2park-reader- [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Regards, > Noddy. It was awfully convenient timing that they had a camera and reporter in the car directly in front of that truck. SignatureBen - Wipe off 25 "My name is Korg from planet dyslexia, your arses are fruity, take me to your dealer, or you will all be laminated, ." RV, melb.general > It was awfully convenient timing that they had a camera and reporter in > the car directly in front of that truck. Not only that, but they focused on that particular unmarked truck (no name at all) for quite a while before the accident from a c0uple of angles, and when it hit the car it looked like it made no attempt to brake at all and continued to push the car for a couple hundred meters. The car driver was also pretty experienced, as he never panic locked the brakes like most people would :) -- Regards, Noddy. >> "atec 77" <""atec 7 7 \"@ hotmail dot com"> wrote in message >> news:462c77ab$0$4607$61c65585@un-2park-reader- [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > It was awfully convenient timing that they had a camera and reporter in > the car directly in front of that truck. Not really , drive through there some time . "atec 77" <""atec 7 7 \"@ hotmail dot com"> wrote in message news:462d8138$0$4614$61c65585@un-2park-reader- > Not really , drive through there some time . How many times have you driven through there? -- Regards, Noddy. > "atec 77" <""atec 7 7 \"@ hotmail dot com"> wrote in message > news:462c77ab$0$4607$61c65585@un-2park-reader- [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > For what it's worth, I think that whole episode of pushing the car through > the tunnel was completely staged for the cameras :) I didn't see the ACA story but from the description something similar happened to a truck driver I worked with. She changed lanes to the left and didn't see the black Commodore which was right next to the truck cab, the car was span around and pushed sideways for quiet a distance. Luckily there were no injuries but it frightened the sh.t out of all involved. Daryl > I didn't see the ACA story but from the description something similar > happened to a truck driver I worked with. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Luckily there were no injuries but it frightened the sh.t out of all > involved. They had a follow up story on tonight's edition where they spoke to the driver of the car involved, and the whole thing was little more than an advertisement for Mercedes Benz :) They showed another replay of the footage tonight, and you can clearly see the driver looking towards the camera in an effort to make sure everything is "in frame" :) -- Regards, Noddy. > >> wait are you talking about trucks or cars? coz youve jsut described both > >> really. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Its like walking around carrying a loaded gun and resisting the > temptation to shoot every fuckwit you meet, its not always easy:-) There is a NG I could suggest for a number of folk here, I could make a list, containing myself, however wont :-) > Its like walking around carrying a loaded gun and resisting the temptation > to shoot every fuckwit you meet, its not always easy:-) I dare say it isn't, and it's not the fair dinkum ones who have to put up with the crap the average car driving idiot gives them that I'm worried about. It's the brainless fuckwit ones who drive like morons for no reason other than because they can that are the worry, and when they're behind the wheel of 50 tonnes of truck it's a *huge* concern. -- Regards, Noddy. >> Its like walking around carrying a loaded gun and resisting the >> temptation to shoot every fuckwit you meet, its not always easy:-) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > than because they can that are the worry, and when they're behind the > wheel of 50 tonnes of truck it's a *huge* concern. totally agree. but i cna see its a symptom of poor driver training and enforcement across the board, not just cars or trucks. people are toaght how to operate a piece of machinery sufficiently (allegedly) but nothing further. additionally, the reasons for obth cars and turcks acting like fools is a percieved lack or time in getting tasks completed. in reality on stretches of even medium traffic and many traffic lights, i can be fully loaded and potter along for 40km, and from a p plater doing 100kmh and weaving in and out, to a truck driver who is much faster than i am, will both end up 50metres in front of me after half an hour of driving. i dont think the majority stop and think "why am i busting a nut to get ahead?" open roads are obviously a different story. theres no education, either initally or reinforced over the years, and enforcement is focused on easy effort and easy money. in that sentence is your answer to msot of our driving behavior problems. > -- > Regards, > Noddy. > theres no education, either initally or reinforced over the years, and > enforcement is focused on easy effort and easy money. > > in that sentence is your answer to msot of our driving behavior problems. Couldn't agree more. -- Regards, Noddy. >> Its like walking around carrying a loaded gun and resisting the temptation >> to shoot every fuckwit you meet, its not always easy:-) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > than because they can that are the worry, and when they're behind the wheel > of 50 tonnes of truck it's a *huge* concern. Agreed, I see the occasional truck driver doing things that make me cringe and I'm often tempted to pick up the UHF and have a go at them but I usually don't because it most likely would result in a mouthful of abuse which I can do without. Daryl >>> Its like walking around carrying a loaded gun and resisting the >>> temptation to shoot every fuckwit you meet, its not always easy:-) [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > usually don't because it most likely would result in a mouthful of abuse > which I can do without. yeah theres nothing you cna do, just sit back and avoid the bullshit. its usually a tipper driver though :) > Daryl >>>> Its like walking around carrying a loaded gun and resisting the >>>> temptation to shoot every fuckwit you meet, its not always easy:-) [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > yeah theres nothing you cna do, just sit back and avoid the bullshit. its > usually a tipper driver though :) I doubt it matters , a dick driver is a dick driver >> Daryl >>>> Its like walking around carrying a loaded gun and resisting the >>>> temptation to shoot every fuckwit you meet, its not always easy:-) [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > yeah theres nothing you cna do, just sit back and avoid the bullshit. its > usually a tipper driver though :) Those tip truck drivers are a totally different breed:-) AFAIK most of them get paid per load so the more loads they do the more they get paid, with a system like that its no wonder they drive like loonies, if they were paid on an hourly rate they would take their time and be a lot safer but greedy bosses would rather they drove quickly. Daryl >>>>> Its like walking around carrying a loaded gun and resisting the >>>>> temptation to shoot every fuckwit you meet, its not always easy:-) [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > loonies, if they were paid on an hourly rate they would take their time > and be a lot safer but greedy bosses would rather they drove quickly. well a lot of them are on hourly, but its usually 17 bucks + penalty or 22 bucks flat, or even less. and a lot of them are subbies getting paid 40 bucks an hour to cart (the avg in syd is about 90) so not only are they hammering around, theyre in 30 year old volvos and mercs with major roadworthy problems. the chinese in syd at least are heavily involved in that rock bottom price racket. > Daryl > Those tip truck drivers are a totally different breed:-) > AFAIK most of them get paid per load so the more loads they do the more > they get paid, with a system like that its no wonder they drive like > loonies, if they were paid on an hourly rate they would take their time > and be a lot safer but greedy bosses would rather they drove quickly. Owner drivers doing "box rate" for conatiners aren't much better. Last I heard they were getting 50 bucks per 40' container, which is f.cking ridiculous. -- Regards, Noddy. >> Those tip truck drivers are a totally different breed:-) >> AFAIK most of them get paid per load so the more loads they do the more [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Last I heard they were getting 50 bucks per 40' container, which is > f.cking ridiculous. wow. that would explain a lot. the industry has itself to blame really, and needs regulation when public safety is front and centre. there needs to be minimum rates set in line with inflation, fuel price, city traffic pressures etc. pure competition is not good when safety is involved. > -- > Regards, > Noddy. > wow. that would explain a lot. the industry has itself to blame really, > and needs regulation when public safety is front and centre. there needs > to be minimum rates set in line with inflation, fuel price, city traffic > pressures etc. > > pure competition is not good when safety is involved. The problem is that it's mostly the owner drivers who create the competition that kills them. Most blokes who own their own trucks seem to want to be an owner driver, rush out and put their heads in a noose for a rig and *then* worry about getting the work to pay for it. The problem is that there seems to be hundreds doing the same thing, so employers that they subbie for can get away with paying ridiculously low rates as there's no shortage of blokes looking to make money to pay their bills. It's compounded by the fact that the TWU sets the minimum rate for things like container rates for sub contractors, so while the bosses might be taking advantage of a good situation (for them) it's the *union* that sh.ts on their members. One bloke I know went broke in a *huge* hurry doing container runs on box rate from a local depot to the wharf, and sitting in a que for 3 hours to earn 20 bucks (the rate at the time for a 20 foot container) was incredibly insane. Of course, he didn't help himself by buying some shitfighter that was at the limit of his budget, and had a 2 stroke Detroit that drank diesel like a German tank. -- Regards, Noddy. >> Those tip truck drivers are a totally different breed:-) >> AFAIK most of them get paid per load so the more loads they do the more [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Last I heard they were getting 50 bucks per 40' container, which is f.cking > ridiculous. When I first started my current job I hadn't been there long enough to build up any holiday hours so when the customer I was working for shut down for Christmas the boss sent me to do container work. Because the DAF has only a single rear axle it can't do real heavy work so I was moving empties, apparently the rate was so low the boss decided it was cheaper for him to pay me to stay home, the cost of running the truck and paying my wages was more than he was getting paid so its no surprise drivers doing that sort of work are in such a hurry. Daryl > yeah theres nothing you cna do, just sit back and avoid the bullshit. its > usually a tipper driver though :) You're not being racist against Gooks, are you? :) -- Regards, Noddy. > Agreed, I see the occasional truck driver doing things that make me cringe > and I'm often tempted to pick up the UHF and have a go at them but I > usually don't because it most likely would result in a mouthful of abuse > which I can do without. Sure, and nor should it be a truck driver's job to regulate *other* truck drivers. We could start by getting the RTA back onto the roads monitoring "hot spots", and have *severe* penalties for idiots who do the wrong thing. -- Regards, Noddy. > Its like walking around carrying a loaded gun and resisting the > temptation to shoot every fuckwit you meet, its not always easy:-) Yeah but I would rather stick them on the bull bar and drive them around in the city for a while. :-) Then maybe shoot the f.ckers. ;-) SignatureRegards Dan >>> Has anyone seen the promo for Mondays ACA about dangerous truckies? Does >>> the truck deliberately ramming and ensuing crash in a tunnel with the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > because they intentionally drove slow in front of the truck just to get > some sensationalist footage Proof ? > > and >> decided to go around, without knowing the red car was right beside him. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > sounds about right for these fuckwits Well I just watched the add , the car hit was in a spot very close to the passenger steer , it may be a genuine not seen but I wonder and await the "artical" > Kev >>> Has anyone seen the promo for Mondays ACA about dangerous truckies? Does >>> the truck deliberately ramming and ensuing crash in a tunnel with the [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Kev You're way off base this time Kev. She stated she was doing bang on 80 but had a truck way to close to her clacker. If you drove in that tunnel you'd know that the tailgating they filmed was a perfect example of what happens every day as I see it 5 days a week in the Burnley tunnel when heading home. Tailgating is a serious problem in Melbourne. Everyone does it and it's wrong to single out the truckies although they will do a lot more damage when the sh.t hits the fan. SignatureBen - Wipe off 25 "My name is Korg from planet dyslexia, your arses are fruity, take me to your dealer, or you will all be laminated, ." RV, melb.general >>>> Has anyone seen the promo for Mondays ACA about dangerous truckies? >>>> Does [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > happens every day as I see it 5 days a week in the Burnley tunnel when > heading home. Does it happen all the way through the tunnel or mainly on the climb? I ask because I think its the trucks trying to maintain some momentum so they don't slow down to much and slow cars (eg a white BA was doing 60 in the rh lane yesterday morning and he wouldn't move over or speed up despite causing a delay) continually get in their way. IMO the speed cameras have a lot to do with the problem especially in the tunnel, many drivers are so scared of being booked they drive well under the limit and refuse to move out of the way, banning lane changing will make it worse. I don't doubt it happens but its funny how I've never been tailgated by a truck in the tunnels or on any freeway, if I see a faster vehicle approaching from behind I do my best to move over, IMO if everyone did the same the problem would be significantly reduced. Daryl >>>>> Has anyone seen the promo for Mondays ACA about dangerous truckies? >>>>> Does [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > approaching from behind I do my best to move over, IMO if everyone did the > same the problem would be significantly reduced. correct. i am in awe of people that tel me how often they get harrased by big trucks when i tell them what i do. they go into detail and its clear they are always being spiteful or blatantly breaking the law when i happens. i rarely have a problem when im in my car, it has happened from time to time, the situation usually is im in the right lane matching the car in front, waiting for them to move left becuase theyre going too slow, and the truck will tailgate me to get the other guy to pull left. that annoys me, becuase he isnt achieving anything. you cna hear the thing boosting up and back off like that will help the situation. guys like him do him us a bad name. > Daryl > Does it happen all the way through the tunnel or mainly on the climb? > I ask because I think its the trucks trying to maintain some momentum so > they don't slow down to much and slow cars (eg a white BA was doing 60 in > the rh lane yesterday morning and he wouldn't move over or speed up > despite causing a delay) continually get in their way. One of the problems I've noticed, and particularly with the outbound tunnel (whatever that's called), is that because the downhill section is quite steep everyone tends to roll down with some occasional braking so they keep under the limit. They then have a flat section before the climb up that they lose speed on without realising for quite a while, and this is where the "slow down" problem occurs. I notice it mostly as I go through there on cruise control. As soon as I hit the bottom of the hill the car starts accelerating back up to 80km/h, but most people around me are slowing down as they're starting to go up hill without knowing it, and are a bit late getting back on the throttle. > IMO the speed cameras have a lot to do with the problem especially in the > tunnel, many drivers are so scared of being booked they drive well under > the limit and refuse to move out of the way, banning lane changing will > make it worse. I think banning lane changes is a f.cking ridiculous idea. In my opinion, trucks and other slow moving traffic should be excluded from the right hand lane as there's no reason for them to be there, and the right hand lane should be *expressly* limited to passing only. Sitting in the right lane just cruising along at the limit causing a blockage is just as much of a pain in the arse, and as far as I'm aware it's *still* illegal to do that. > I don't doubt it happens but its funny how I've never been tailgated by a > truck in the tunnels or on any freeway, if I see a faster vehicle > approaching from behind I do my best to move over, IMO if everyone did the > same the problem would be significantly reduced. It would indeed. Like most things, the "tailgating" thing is blown out of all reasonable proportion by a media circus looking to whip public opinion into a frenzy. Sure you get the odd tailgating truck (or other vehicle), but it's not a common daily occurrence. What we saw on ACA the other night was pure fiction :) -- Regards, Noddy. > In my opinion, trucks and other slow moving traffic should be excluded > from the right hand lane as there's no reason for them to be there, > and the right hand lane should be *expressly* limited to passing only. That is precisely what the driver of the MB said. Apparently some other countries restrict the trucks to one lane only. IF!! there is a problem in truck drivers unable to see cars in front of them, well, that is a good idea. However I find it ludicrous to believe that (MOST) truck drivers are that blind! Surely blind spots are now covered by a mirror some where. The crap on ACA appears to be a "cop out", or alarmist reporting to bring drivers undone in front of trucks on the highway. Ron >> In my opinion, trucks and other slow moving traffic should be excluded >> from the right hand lane as there's no reason for them to be there, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > The crap on ACA appears to be a "cop out", or alarmist reporting to bring > drivers undone in front of trucks on the highway. truck drivers worth a pinch of sh.t will know where every car is around them in the last 5 seconds in city traffic, less when it gets narrow. what has been mentioned in this thread is once again a need to attack the causes of problems involving cars and trucks, not the symptoms. this generation will be known as one of the most pathetic, near sighted fuckhead generations in the last 100 years however, so tune in for the next symptom cure from pollies. > Ron > truck drivers worth a pinch of sh.t will know where every car is around > them in the last 5 seconds in city traffic, less when it gets narrow. Indeed. Especially with a lot of today's newer trucks that have convex mirrors all over the place that virtually eliminate blind spots. There's absolutely no doubt in my mind whatsoever that the driver in that ACA story knew precisely where that Benz was. Had it been a bonneted truck it might be a *little* different, but in a cab over it was no problem at all. -- Regards, Noddy. >> In my opinion, trucks and other slow moving traffic should be excluded >> from the right hand lane as there's no reason for them to be there, >> and the right hand lane should be *expressly* limited to passing only. > > That is precisely what the driver of the MB said. > Apparently some other countries restrict the trucks to one lane only. The only problem with that is it assumes all trucks are the same which they aren't, I deliver foam and a full load would weigh less than 3 tonne so there is no noticeable difference in performance from full to empty. I have no trouble doing the speed limit even in the steepest parts of the tunnels so why should I be stuck behind a B Double loaded with max weight doing 40kph? > IF!! there is a problem in truck drivers unable to see cars in front of > them, well, that is a good idea. A car that is directly beside the left of the prime mover is very difficult to see, my truck has a "kerb" mirror on the top of the lh door which looks straight down at the road to cover that blind spot but not all trucks have those mirrors. > The crap on ACA appears to be a "cop out", or alarmist reporting to bring > drivers undone in front of trucks on the highway. If the ACA vehicle was deliberately slowing down to cause the truck to get close to them then they should be prosecuted for dangerous driving. Daryl > The only problem with that is it assumes all trucks are the same which > they aren't, I deliver foam and a full load would weigh less than 3 tonne > so there is no noticeable difference in performance from full to empty. > I have no trouble doing the speed limit even in the steepest parts of the > tunnels so why should I be stuck behind a B Double loaded with max weight > doing 40kph? Exactly. Restricting trucks to one lane only is useless, as all it takes is one slow truck to f.ck things up for all of them. Sure it might be annoying to some car drivers to see one semi pull out and pass another at what looks to be a walking pace, but once they get moving they don't hang around for very long. Especially in cases like yours where the performance difference is quite significant. However, in having said that, I think on multi lane roads where there is more than two lanes, there seems little reason to me for trucks to be in anything other than the left two lanes. > A car that is directly beside the left of the prime mover is very > difficult to see, my truck has a "kerb" mirror on the top of the lh door > which looks straight down at the road to cover that blind spot but not all > trucks have those mirrors. No, but they should be mandatory. I mean, they can be had for ten bucks. > If the ACA vehicle was deliberately slowing down to cause the truck to get > close to them then they should be prosecuted for dangerous driving. I think the truck driver, the car drivers and the film crew should be locked up for (a) dangerous driving, and (b) airing the most pissweak example of a staged event I've seen in a long time :) -- Regards, Noddy. >> The only problem with that is it assumes all trucks are the same which >> they aren't, I deliver foam and a full load would weigh less than 3 tonne [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > more than two lanes, there seems little reason to me for trucks to be in > anything other than the left two lanes. can depend on the road in question, freeway grade roads id usually agree, unless you had the unusual example of bokren down something in left or middle lanes, or very slowmsomething in left, slightly less slow in next, and a powerful and or very light truck overtaking both obstacles in the right for 20 seconds. it would depend on conditions. certianly theres no need for a truck to sit in the right without any reason. this can also be affected by things like the local area having industrial areas off to the right of said road, where if you dont get into that right lane soon enough, noone will let you in for your turn lane. happens in sydney all the time, which is why you cna often see processions of semis in the right lane a 1km or so before these big right hand turnoffs. >> A car that is directly beside the left of the prime mover is very >> difficult to see, my truck has a "kerb" mirror on the top of the lh door [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Regards, > Noddy. > In my opinion, trucks and other slow moving traffic should be excluded from > the right hand lane as there's no reason for them to be there, and the right > hand lane should be *expressly* limited to passing only. Sitting in the > right lane just cruising along at the limit causing a blockage is just as > much of a pain in the arse, and as far as I'm aware it's *still* illegal to > do that. It seems that in all the hysteria over the tunnel crash that no one considered that we already have existing laws about keeping left. Instead of new rules they could just enforce the existing ones but if enforcement can't be done with a camera it doesn't seem to happen very often. Daryl > It seems that in all the hysteria over the tunnel crash that no one > considered that we already have existing laws about keeping left. > Instead of new rules they could just enforce the existing ones but if > enforcement can't be done with a camera it doesn't seem to happen very > often. Nope. -- Regards, Noddy. >> In my opinion, trucks and other slow moving traffic should be excluded >> from the right hand lane as there's no reason for them to be there, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Daryl Good point >>> In my opinion, trucks and other slow moving traffic should be >>> excluded from the right hand lane as there's no reason for them [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>> of a pain in the arse, and as far as I'm aware it's *still* >>> illegal to do that. >> It seems that in all the hysteria over the tunnel crash that no >> one considered that we already have existing laws about keeping >> left. Instead of new rules they could just enforce the existing >> ones but if enforcement can't be done with a camera it doesn't >> seem to happen very often. > Good point I refer you to my earlier (July 18th, 2002) posting that described a method: See http://bernd.felsche.org/SENSE/Tailgate/ for a more-sophisticated method. It is especially suited to tunnels. Signature/"\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | The object of life is not to be on the side of X against HTML mail | the majority but to escape finding oneself in / \ and postings | the ranks of the insane. -- Marcus Aurelius >>>> In my opinion, trucks and other slow moving traffic should be >>>> excluded from the right hand lane as there's no reason for them [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > It is especially suited to tunnels. Have you had any interest from the Police or Govt on your system? Daryl >>>>> In my opinion, trucks and other slow moving traffic should be >>>>> excluded from the right hand lane as there's no reason for them [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>>>> of a pain in the arse, and as far as I'm aware it's *still* >>>>> illegal to do that. >>>> It seems that in all the hysteria over the tunnel crash that no >>>> one considered that we already have existing laws about keeping >>>> left. Instead of new rules they could just enforce the existing >>>> ones but if enforcement can't be done with a camera it doesn't >>>> seem to happen very often. >>> Good point >> I refer you to my earlier (July 18th, 2002) posting that described >> a method: >> >> See http://bernd.felsche.org/SENSE/Tailgate/ for a >> more-sophisticated method. >> It is especially suited to tunnels. >Have you had any interest from the Police or Govt on your system? Their POV: The only problem on the roads is people exceeding the speed limit. Maybe if I drop by Multanova, CH on the way past in a few weeks, give them a licence so that they can package and market it as a novel system for millions of dollars. Everybody seems to believe their fairy tales. Signature/"\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | The object of life is not to be on the side of X against HTML mail | the majority but to escape finding oneself in / \ and postings | the ranks of the insane. -- Marcus Aurelius > >>> Has anyone seen the promo for Mondays ACA about dangerous truckies? Does > >>> the truck deliberately ramming and ensuing crash in a tunnel with the [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > You're way off base this time Kev. She stated she was doing bang on 80 > but had a truck way to close to her clacker. KEEP > If you drove in that tunnel > you'd know that the tailgating they filmed was a perfect example of what > happens every day as I see it 5 days a week in the Burnley tunnel when > heading home. LEFT > Tailgating is a serious problem in Melbourne. Everyone does it and it's > wrong to single out the truckies although they will do a lot more damage > when the sh.t hits the fan. UNLESS > Ben - Wipe off 25 OVERTAKING The car in the centre lane doing 70 odd KPH was the major cause of this accident. The car with the camera in it was a contributor to the problem. Yes, I know, our stupid laws mean that in an 80kph zone, lane discipline isn't legally binding, but doesn't change the facts. If the Merc was overtaking by being in the centre lane all along, the truck should have known he was there all along. If the camera car hadn't been in the right hand lane, the truck wouldn't have changed lanes at all. One simple law. It's already half in place - it should apply to all freeways, is all. Problem solved. Accidents reduced. Congestion reduced. Everyone happy. Works in Germany, dunnit? Cheers, Steve > OVERTAKING > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Cheers, > Steve It's a common problem everywhere the number of times I see cars merging onto a freeway with no other traffic around and they drive straight into the right lane and remain there, I also see plenty of cars just driving along in the right lane, another vehicle will pass me and catch up to the right lane vehicle, this vehicle will change to the left lane after a few mins to let the vehicle behind past, and them immediately change back into the right lane and remain there until someone else catches them and I think it's mostly an ego/pride thing they don't want to be seen as a slow left lane driver, even though most of the vehicle passing them are doing so in teh left lane and some will absolutely refuse to budge from the right lane and will slow down to force vehicle behind to pass them on the left I read somewhere that the QLD Police had a blitz on the Ipswich Motorway going after people who tailgate, this is really just relieving the symptom, why were they not booking those who were hogging the right lane and causing the tailgating(yes I know some people tailgate no matter what the circumstances and should be booked) Kev > Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he had no idea the car was there, > but then again it wouldn't surprise me if the whole thing was staged for > ratings either. Maybe but there are some nutters around. I am glad I just drive the trucks when there is f.ck all traffic around. Also I prefer driving at night anyways that during the day. :-) SignatureRegards Dan >> Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he had no idea the car was there, >> but then again it wouldn't surprise me if the whole thing was staged for [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Also I prefer driving at night anyways that during the day. :-) Be glad you are not a pedestrian in the local Mall , another twonk walked into me this arvo , totally got the shites when I pushed him away .Now guess what happened next . >>> Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he had no idea the car was >>> there, but then again it wouldn't surprise me if the whole thing was [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > into me this arvo , totally got the shites when I pushed him away .Now > guess what happened next . You cried like a baby and pleaded for forgivness? I hope you gave him a deconder ring while you where communicating other wise he wouldnt have a godamn clue what you where on about........................... or is it only in here your like that? Sorry, just had to get that in. ;o) >>>> Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he had no idea the car was >>>> there, but then again it wouldn't surprise me if the whole thing was [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Sorry, just had to get that in. ;o) Actually after he got up ( bounced rather well of me) and finshed the mouthful of rudeness (typical 30 year old) I offered to adjust his person a little and to help him out picked up the remainder of his glasses :) right about then he ran off the poor baby .Maybe next time ?. > Has anyone seen the promo for Mondays ACA about dangerous truckies? Does > the truck deliberately ramming and ensuing crash in a tunnel with the > red merc ( i think) look like its staged? Surely if it was real the > footage would be allover the CH9 news. Turday turnite did a "response" piece where the truckie was claiming that the whole thing was caused by the weaving, erratic driving of the ACA 4WD that was doing the filming. He attempted to change lanes to go around the vehicle that kept speeding up and slowing down and weaving around in its lane... I've lost count of the number of times I've seen near misses caused by a vehicle in front doing stupid things that leads to a silly mistake by someone behind them. The original true cause of the crash continues on, probably oblivious to their woeful driving having caused something - after all, they weren't "involved". It's a pity that the law can't look more than about a carlength past the front of the crash... Oh, and I noticed that both the ACA 4WD and the truck were failing to keep left throughout the footage. If either had been in the middle lane, the Merc wouldn't have been able to move out and the truck could have passed the 4WD... I think that it's fairly obvious that the ACA lot were trying to fake "tailgating" on the part of the truck by slowing in front of it to make it catch up. They would then have only used a few seconds (or less) of footage where the truck was right up their bum... SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. f.cking despicable. i hope anyone involved in ACA and their extended families contract penis aids. >> Has anyone seen the promo for Mondays ACA about dangerous truckies? Does >> the truck deliberately ramming and ensuing crash in a tunnel with the [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > it catch up. They would then have only used a few seconds (or less) of > footage where the truck was right up their bum... |
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