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Car Forum / Australian Car Forums / General Car Topics (Australian group) / May 2007Lane Cove Tunnel - what do they want??
more users or the user's money with lower tunnel usage?? $590.00 is a lot of tolls! http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/tunnel-anger-minister-stands-fast/2007/05/29 /1180205218579.html NSW Roads Minister Eric Roozendaal has refused to listen to commuter anger and will not review fines sent to thousands of motorists who were caught speeding in the Lane Cove Tunnel. Mr Roozendaal's tough stand comes even though the tunnel operator has also joined calls for a review. Some of the 10,000 motorists caught speeding in the tunnel during its first six weeks of operation have complained they were unaware the speed limit had been cut to 40kmh during late-night maintenance. They said they did not notice warning signs or workmen and the first they knew of the lower limit was a letter informing them of a $590 fine and three-month licence suspension. The normal speed limit in the tunnel is 80kmh. But Mr Roozendaal said speeding was a serious issue and ruled out reviewing the fines, instead suggesting disgruntled motorists pursue their case through the local court system. "There is no safe level of speeding and drivers need to take responsibility for their actions and slow down," Mr Roozendaal said. "If a driver feels they have particular circumstances they can go to the local court and put their case to a magistrate but it is the responsibility of drives to observe the speed limits." He said drivers could request from the Roads and Traffic Authority a photograph from inside the tunnel at the time of the offence to indicate whether the changed speed limits were obvious. Ian Hunt, the chief executive of the tunnel's operator Connector Motorways, said his company would also rexamine its design, signage and warnings to ensure motorists had ample warning of speed limits. "Tunnel safety is our number one priority and we urge motorists to adhere to speed limits at all times," he said. "It is nonetheless important that motorists have confidence that speed infringement systems are operating correctly. Those drivers who are genuinely speeding should be penalised." > more users or the user's money with lower tunnel usage?? $590.00 is a lot > of tolls! [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > infringement systems are operating correctly. Those drivers who are > genuinely speeding should be penalised." In other words let the people all lose a days pay having to appeal this in court, then wasting more taxpayers money by taking up more court time, and possibly bringing possible inequality between individual judgments, if numerous judges take on the cases, and possibly even over the individual arguments presented. That bloke is a complete scumbag. Is it just me or do people think he has really evil looking eyes. He gives me the impression he is a completely shady character. Only interested in $$$ and licking arse, not interested slightly in the motorists. I could be wrong but then again I could be completely right. Cheers Adam >> more users or the user's money with lower tunnel usage?? $590.00 is a >> lot of tolls! [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > Cheers > Adam Its not only Tax payers,its dole bludgers as well,they pay every drop of GST. So that means every ones money. > > more users or the user's money with lower tunnel usage?? $590.00 is a lot > > of tolls! [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > - Show quoted text - He has a Jewish sounding name. Obviously nothing to do with his eyes and hunger for money. i saw the roadworks signs and slowed down, stayed in the left most lane, and still got hounded by the morons wanting to do 80 or 90. stiff f.cking sh.t. this city's drivers dont pay anywhere near enough attention to the conditions, this should have been a "wake up call" media release, not some chagrined fuckwit lawyer carrying on like a porkchop. PAY f.cking ATTENTION TO WHAT IS GOING ON OUTSIDE OF YOUR GROOVY MAZDA 3, c.nts! ps. roozendaals contributions were equally moronic, the minister with the wit and personality of a newly lobotomised dog. > more users or the user's money with lower tunnel usage?? $590.00 is a lot > of tolls! [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > infringement systems are operating correctly. Those drivers who are > genuinely speeding should be penalised." > i saw the roadworks signs and slowed down, stayed in the left most lane, > and still got hounded by the morons wanting to do 80 or 90. [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] >> infringement systems are operating correctly. Those drivers who are >> genuinely speeding should be penalised." I just guessed that the signage would have been extremely obvious. Normally these things look like the flying circus and make me want to through up or discriminate the gay and lez paraide for the day. >i saw the roadworks signs and slowed down, stayed in the left most lane, >and still got hounded by the morons wanting to do 80 or 90. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > PAY f.cking ATTENTION TO WHAT IS GOING ON OUTSIDE OF YOUR GROOVY MAZDA 3, > c.nts! Clearly you're no genius so I'll have to point out the bleeding obvious. It's highly likely the signage and workers would have varied during the roadworks. Possibly on the first day it was not obvious at all. >> i saw the roadworks signs and slowed down, stayed in the left most lane, >> and still got hounded by the morons wanting to do 80 or 90. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > It's highly likely the signage and workers would have varied during the > roadworks. Possibly on the first day it was not obvious at all. 10,000 motorists? The signage must have been at fault. Ben > 10,000 motorists? > > The signage must have been at fault. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ YEP, NOONE IS AT FAULT. IT'S ALL THE FAULT OF SIGNAGES. -- Insert.sarcasm.here. > 10,000 motorists? > > The signage must have been at fault. Exactly. Obviously this speed limit is of vital importance if they have issued millions in fines in 1 location over 6 weeks. And obviously what they are doing to slow people down has failed so clearly they will be rushing out to put up flashing LED signs to make sure this problem is solved, right? The thing that gets me is stupid people who make statements like this "PAY f.cking ATTENTION TO WHAT IS GOING ON OUTSIDE OF YOUR GROOVY MAZDA 3, c.nts!" What is so stupid about such an opinion is that while it doesn't effect them they don't care. But if we let the govt get away with this they could easily be next. This does not just apply to speed cameras at one particular site, it could apply to anything. It's similar to a situation at my work were an unpopular employee was ripped off on his entitements when he was sacked. No one gave a sh.t and could not see they will be next. The only way to ensure they will get their full entitements is to stand up for this guy. Michael >> 10,000 motorists? >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > easily be next. This does not just apply to speed cameras at one > particular site, it could apply to anything. what the f.ck are you talking about, i was travelling this exact tunnel during this saga and saw the signs. are you f.cking retarded? > It's similar to a situation at my work were an unpopular employee was > ripped off on his entitements when he was sacked. No one gave a sh.t and > could not see they will be next. The only way to ensure they will get > their full entitements is to stand up for this guy. what the f.ck does worker entitlements have to do with not understanding work site signs and the fact that the tunnel has a hidden camera in it? > Michael > what the f.ck are you talking about, i was travelling this exact tunnel > during this saga and saw the signs. are you f.cking retarded? Mate, obviously you are as f.cking stupid as that other fucktard here. > what the f.ck does worker entitlements have to do with not understanding > work site signs and the fact that the tunnel has a hidden camera in it? Ever herd of an analogy SFB? >> Michael If it increases Military road traffic, it can GAGF along with the shite bridge. > If it increases Military road traffic How is that physically possible? I experienced it once, and I'd happily take the Perth/Alice/Brisbane/ NorthSydney detour next time. > more users or the user's money with lower tunnel usage?? $590.00 is a lot > of tolls! [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > infringement systems are operating correctly. Those drivers who are > genuinely speeding should be penalised." Thats it blame the sub-contractors.People cannot see these days,the more they see floro colored things the less they see of other things and the less they see of the floro eyesore that intrudes their daily lives. People drive over an entire pile of bolders sitting 1.5m off the edge of the road out the front of my place,they don't even notice they are there untill the car stops dead in its tracks bottomed out on the subframe with a smashed from spoiler. Cyborg 0019 blathered on: > Thats it blame the sub-contractors.People cannot see these days,the more > they see floro colored things the less they see of other things and the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > untill the car stops dead in its tracks bottomed out on the subframe > with a smashed from spoiler. Prozac. The fun bit? The f.cked sand filters the imbeciles intend to use in Qld's 'recycled' water won't remove the stuff, as piddled out by it's users. Needless to say, anything that gets through willover time tend to concentrate. Also needless to say, there's a host of other dwugs that'll miss the filters, too. So, pretty soon, every bastard will do the business on the equivalent of those boulders in the 'SmartState'. 'sif the Gateway daily three traffic snarling prangs ain't enough;-) > Cyborg 0019 blathered on: > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > 'sif the Gateway daily three traffic snarling prangs ain't enough;-) what drugs are you on toby ? >> Cyborg 0019 blathered on: >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> 'sif the Gateway daily three traffic snarling prangs ain't enough;-) > what drugs are you on toby ? Toby doesn't need drugs. Ben > They said they did not notice warning signs ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "DID NOT NOTICE" is not a valid excuse. Anyone can request a photograph of the scene at the time to prove beyond reasonable doubt that a "40" sign was posted there. -- Ignorance.is.no.excuse.not.to.follow.rules > NSW Roads Minister Eric Roozendaal has refused to listen to commuter anger > and will not review fines sent to thousands of motorists who were caught > speeding in the Lane Cove Tunnel. It was just on the news that they've done a huge back flip and cancelled thousands of fines. Michael >> NSW Roads Minister Eric Roozendaal has refused to listen to commuter anger >> and will not review fines sent to thousands of motorists who were caught [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Michael I heard ( so it is hearsay) that a group legal battle was looming that would have routed the controlling body's authority over future money generation > I heard ( so it is hearsay) that a group legal battle was looming that > would have routed the controlling body's authority over future money > generation Not knowing legal stuff, what does that mean? >> I heard ( so it is hearsay) that a group legal battle was looming that >> would have routed the controlling body's authority over future money >> generation > > Not knowing legal stuff, what does that mean? They were going to lose against a group action and it would taint any further attempts at raping the public . >>> I heard ( so it is hearsay) that a group legal battle was looming that >>> would have routed the controlling body's authority over future money [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > They were going to lose against a group action and it would taint any > further attempts at raping the public . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This is a sad day in traffic enforcement. It relays a message that says "we can bully the state government if we shout loud enough." The roads minister should quit his post. -- Truly.pathetic.and.cowardly.to.back.flip.like.that >>>> I heard ( so it is hearsay) that a group legal battle was looming >>>> that would have routed the controlling body's authority over future [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > The roads minister should quit his post. We shouldn't have to shout. The government should do what we want anyway. It's a democracy ain't it? As far as I'm concerned, the weaker and more spineless the government, any government, the better. >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> This is a sad day in traffic enforcement. It relays a message that says [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > As far as I'm concerned, the weaker and more spineless the government, any > government, the better. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You do raise a valid point. In an ideal democracy, should government do what is popular or should it do what is right for most of everyone? I would vote for the latter. -- Government.should.set.realistic.expectations.too >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> This is a sad day in traffic enforcement. It relays a message that [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > You do raise a valid point. In an ideal democracy, should government do > what is popular or should it do what is right for most of everyone? How do you determine what it right for most of everyone? Our current system says that "the popular choice is what is right". And is this correct? Hell no. It's terrible. It's the worst system. With the exception of every other system that's ever been tried. Anyway, this is all arguing about how many angels can fit on the head of a pin. The whole issue depends on whether the signs were clear or not. This is best decided by some actual photos. Just guessing that the signs were clear or obscured is just that: Guessing. I do note that when the transport minister was explaining how clear the signs were, he spent 5 minutes saying how many signs said "Speed camera ahead" and not one word about how many signs said "speed limit 40", which is the issue. > I would vote for the latter. >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> You do raise a valid point. In an ideal democracy, should government do >> what is popular or should it do what is right for most of everyone? > > How do you determine what it right for most of everyone? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I don't have to. I'd leave it to the judgement of our duly elected leaders. That's their job. > Our current system says that "the popular choice is what is right". ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Not all the time though. There have been a lot of unpopular decisions such as the GST, war against terror that have been implemented. > I do note that when the transport minister was explaining how clear the > signs were, he spent 5 minutes saying how many signs said "Speed camera > ahead" and not one word about how many signs said "speed limit 40", which > is the issue. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Everyone who have been booked could've easily requested a photograph of the incident. If the "40" sign wasn't there, then their case can easily be dismissed. If the "40" sign were there, then they should lose their license and pay up the fine. -- Photographs.don't.lie > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> You do raise a valid point. In an ideal democracy, should government do > >> what is popular or should it do what is right for most of everyone? > > > How do you determine what it right for most of everyone? http://www.roadwatch.com.au/default.asp hi i started the whole thing here http://www.roadwatch.com.au/forum/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=11&TopicID=6 51&PagePosition=1 12000 views of the subject cant be wrong D > more users or the user's money with lower tunnel usage?? $590.00 is a lot > of tolls! So these people wizzed past the "Roadworks ahead" and the 40kph speed limit signs and the copped a fine and lost their licence seems resonable to me, if they can't see a bright reflective sign(and no doubt there were plenty of signs to see) then what hope have they got of seeing anything else could have been worse, they could have smashed into the rear of another vehicle doing 40 and caused a fire in the tunnel Kev >> more users or the user's money with lower tunnel usage?? $590.00 is a >> lot of tolls! [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Kev so how many of these drivers were in trucks having these smashes ? |
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