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Car Forum / Australian Car Forums / General Car Topics (Australian group) / June 2007Lawnmower update: fuel consumption
First visit to petrol station for the Hyundai Getz. Trip metre says 429 km. Total petrol filled about 31 ltrs. That's about 7.3 ltrs/100km. Not a bad consumption in stop-and-go, chock-a-block, it-looks-like-a-huge-carpark Shiteney roads. The old Magna consumed about 13 ltrs/100km. That's easily a savings of 5 ltrs/100km. If I do 15000 km a year at $1.30 cost of petrol, that's a savings of $975 a year on petrol. -- Not.sure.about.CO2.savings. > First visit to petrol station for the Hyundai Getz. Trip metre says 429 km. > Total petrol filled about 31 ltrs. That's about 7.3 ltrs/100km. Not a bad [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > -- > Not.sure.about.CO2.savings. $975,,,,,, you have already lost double that in depreciation Just think how much you would have saved if you put the Magna on LPG, best thing is you would not even have had to pay for it, Howard tips in $2k for conversion.LPG cost near a 1/3rd of ULP Save from day one WITH NO CAPITAL OUTLAY WIN x WIN The.Best.Small.Car.Is The.Toyota.Yaris.PERIOD M/P On May 30, 11:39 am, Michael.Past...@gmail.com wrote: > > The old Magna consumed about 13 ltrs/100km. That's easily a savings of 5 > > ltrs/100km. If I do 15000 km a year at $1.30 cost of petrol, that's a > > savings of $975 a year on petrol. > > $975,,,,,, you have already lost double that in depreciation That's true, but that has to be balanced against the fact that he now owns a new car and won't have to worry about anything going wrong with it for the next five years, which has got to be a money saver, and no doubt has more safety equipment than he had in his Magna as well. Marco > That's true, but that has to be balanced against the fact that he now > owns a new car ~~~~~~~~~~~ And did I ever mention the feeling of owning a new car is PRICELESS? > and won't have to worry about anything going wrong with > it for the next five years, which has got to be a money saver, ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hyundai offers five-year UNLIMITED km warranty. Which other car maker offers that? > and no doubt has more safety equipment than he had in his Magna as well. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ The paintwork of the Magna is fading and some parts, where the kids hit the car, it is starting to rust. It would cost me to fix those and the presence of rust in the car will make it unregisterable. I bet you it would've cost me thousands to have the rust fixed. -- Korean.is.King.of.the.road > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The paintwork of the Magna is fading and some parts, where the kids hit the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > Korean.is.King.of.the.road We would use the blue book value...to quote repair,so this means its going to cost you more to fix a scratch in a 100k merc than it is to fix and magna crushed by a bull dozer. > $975,,,,,, you have already lost double that in depreciation I doubt it. The Getz is able to hold it's value quite well, and I just sold my sister's 2004 1.3 auto for 11000 bucks. > Just think how much you would have saved if you put the Magna on LPG, > best thing is you would not even have had to pay for it, Howard tips > in $2k for conversion.LPG cost near a 1/3rd of ULP > > Save from day one WITH NO CAPITAL OUTLAY WIN x WIN As much as I like lpg, all the rebate has done is make the average conversion price a couple of grand more expensive than what it was prior to it being announced. Your average base model conversion is close to three grand these days. > The.Best.Small.Car.Is The.Toyota.Yaris.PERIOD In your opinion, but many wouldn't share that with you :) -- Regards, Noddy. >> The.Best.Small.Car.Is The.Toyota.Yaris.PERIOD > > In your opinion, but many wouldn't share that with you :) The Yaris is not a bad car package wise but the interior looks sh.t house. http://www.whatcar.com/Car/Toyota/Yaris/17266341540.jpg Stevie Wonder could design a better dashboard.  SignatureRegards Dan >>> The.Best.Small.Car.Is The.Toyota.Yaris.PERIOD >> In your opinion, but many wouldn't share that with you :) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Stevie Wonder could design a better dashboard. I had a good laugh yesterday, I was following a Toyota Echo and some silly c.nt had fitted a towbar to it, I don't know what he was planning on towing but it would need to be very small and light. Daryl > I had a good laugh yesterday, I was following a Toyota Echo and some > silly c.nt had fitted a towbar to it, I don't know what he was planning > on towing but it would need to be very small and light. Hope he isn't thinking about using it to tow a Caravan. :-) SignatureRegards Dan Dan wrote: >> I had a good laugh yesterday, I was following a Toyota Echo and some >> silly c.nt had fitted a towbar to it, I don't know what he was planning >> on towing but it would need to be very small and light. >Hope he isn't thinking about using it to tow a Caravan. :-) What? For the Bunnymen to sleep in? :-) > As much as I like lpg, all the rebate has done is make the average > conversion price a couple of grand more expensive than what it was prior to > it being announced. > > Your average base model conversion is close to three grand these days. You are 100% right. By chance around the time the idea started to come public I was getting a few quotes for the cars, and once the rebate had been approved by govco I decided to get on the blower again. Completely expected, prices had almost doubled. I'm curious as to how much the suppliers have jacked up the prices, or if "all" the extra money is going into the installers pockets. Cheers Adam > You are 100% right. By chance around the time the idea started to come > public I was getting a few quotes for the cars, and once the rebate had > been approved by govco I decided to get on the blower again. Completely > expected, prices had almost doubled. I'm curious as to how much the > suppliers have jacked up the prices, or if "all" the extra money is > going into the installers pockets. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ What the government giveth, the installer taketh away. -- So.damn.hard.to.talk.with.a.lisp > > $975,,,,,, you have already lost double that in depreciation > > I doubt it. > > The Getz is able to hold it's value quite well, and I just sold my sister's > 2004 1.3 auto for 11000 bucks. It's pretty expensive per kg, seeing you could buy 5 or more old Ladas for that. 5x1200kg... less than $2 a kg.. if I haven't f.ck*d up the math bigtime... and the Getz at what?? 1100kg. Fark, that's $10 a kilo. I can get pork fillet from the wholesaler for that!! Al SignatureI don't take sides. It's more fun to insult everyone. http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html >> The Getz is able to hold it's value quite well, and I just sold my >> sister's [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > bigtime... and the Getz at what?? 1100kg. Fark, that's $10 a kilo. I can > get pork fillet from the wholesaler for that!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ But how do you get from point A to point B in a pork fillet? -- And.resale.on.pork.fillet.is.zilch. >> -- >> Not.sure.about.CO2.savings. > > $975,,,,,, you have already lost double that in depreciation ~~~~~~~~~~~~ I own four cars so I will always incur depreciation costs. It's a matter of WHEN and not IF regarding depreciation. And then its not all economics. There's the environment, too. > Just think how much you would have saved if you put the Magna on LPG, > best thing is you would not even have had to pay for it, Howard tips > in $2k for conversion.LPG cost near a 1/3rd of ULP ~~~~~~~~~~~~ I didn't go for LPG on Magna because: - there is a 6-9 month wait on LPG installation in Shiteney. - there is NO environmental advantage over switching to LPG. CO2 emissions are no different between petrol and LPG. I can always convert the Getz to LPG sometime if I want to. I bet you the Getz will consume less LPG than the Magna. > Save from day one WITH NO CAPITAL OUTLAY WIN x WIN > > The.Best.Small.Car.Is The.Toyota.Yaris.PERIOD ~~~~~~~~~~~~ That's according to Wheels magazine. They tested AUTO models though. I bought a MANUAL so that comparison doesn't apply. Besides the Yaris is at least 3 grand more than the Getz. If i invested 3 grand over 10 years.... -- Korean.rules.today On May 30, 12:05 pm, "Just JT" >>>> > - there is NO environmental advantage over switching to LPG. CO2 emissions > are no different between petrol and LPG. Thats a total 100% false, if you care for the enviro. LPG is much much cleaner than ULP, dont know where you got that wrong opinion from?: http://www.apamfg.com.au/main_pages/health_&_envir.html To sum up"LPG also provides air quality benefits. Australian studies show that using LPG produces 80 per cent less air toxics than petrol. LPG also produces 30 per cent less smog-forming emissions from the exhaust and creates no evaporative emissions from the petrol tank" > I can always convert the Getz to LPG sometime if I want to. I bet you the > Getz will consume less LPG than the Magna. I rather have a crash in a Magna, Magna can tow and fit 5 with ease, and somewhere to actually fit the LPG tank, unlike the Getz > > Save from day one WITH NO CAPITAL OUTLAY WIN x WIN > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > bought a MANUAL so that comparison doesn't apply. Besides the Yaris is at > least 3 grand more than the Getz. If i invested 3 grand over 10 years.... You get what you pay for, Getz HAS to sell @ $3k less otherwise only a fool would pick one over a Toyota product.Same price the Koreans are screwed, they are buying the market. > Korean.rules.today How soon we forget the Excel and the chassis cracking and splitting.Cheap pox metal with poor design. Korea is at least a decade behind Japan, if not more Glad your happy with your Getz, NO WAY would i have purchased one, $3k extra well spent IMHO Its not just cars its everything, Cameras, PC, fridges, earthmoving equipment, NOWHERE is Korea anywhere near Japan, the fact is most of the Korean product is old obsolete Japanese stuff Cheers M/P On Tue, 29 May 2007 19:26:01 -0700, Michael.Pasturi PCM code reading says: > Korea is at least a decade behind Japan, if not more Only in recent years Hyundai has really picked up their act. From what I have read and seen Hyundai is as good as many Jap cars today in terms of build quality. > Glad your happy with your Getz, NO WAY would i have purchased one, $3k > extra well spent IMHO It goes to perception then doesn't it my mrs bought a Mazda SP23 hatch and it was pretty much unreliable. I know people with new and newish (2-4 years old_ Hyundais and basically given them trouble free motoring. > Its not just cars its everything, Cameras, PC, fridges, earthmoving > equipment, NOWHERE is Korea anywhere near Japan, the fact is most of > the Korean product is old obsolete Japanese stuff Again its perception I find the new Sonata's to be pretty close to up to date with many Jap mid sized cars and for a good price too. Our local aus.car resident Steve Magee has a new Sonata and from what I can tell from his posts his Sonata has proven to be a reliable car. If someone wants a cheap good value car I would not hesitate to recommend a new Hyundai Kia and Dewoo (Holden Badged ones as well) I would say avoid completely. SignatureRegards Dan > If someone wants a cheap good value car I would not hesitate to recommend > a new Hyundai Kia and Dewoo (Holden Badged ones as well) I would say avoid > completely. Hmm borked that up Kia, Daewoo (Holden Daewoo) I would say to avoid. SignatureRegards Dan > Hmm borked that up > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Regards > Dan Its ok, we know what u meant!!, Holden aint going to scam anybody here @ AUS.CARS I cannot believe how Holden put its badge on the unsafest car sold on our market?The Barina was a top little car when it was a Opel and a Suzuki, the now Korean shitbox is a death-trap, and a perfect reason to buy late model 2nd hand anything! Cheers M/P On Tue, 29 May 2007 20:08:36 -0700, Michael.Pasturi PCM code reading says: >> Hmm borked that up >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Suzuki, the now Korean shitbox is a death-trap, and a perfect reason > to buy late model 2nd hand anything! Agreed although I wasn't at all keen on the Suzuki based Barina at all. But the last models of the Opel (Holden Barina) was a good solid safe car. I haven't even sat in a new Barina because I have no intentions to and what I can see is utter rubbish. If I ever get a small car which is very extreamly highly un bloody likely it would be a VW brand. :-) SignatureRegards Dan Dan wrote: >> If someone wants a cheap good value car I would not hesitate to recommend >> a new Hyundai Kia and Dewoo (Holden Badged ones as well) I would say avoid >> completely. >Hmm borked that up >Kia, Daewoo (Holden Daewoo) I would say to avoid. 2 yrs ago prolly would have agreed totally. Kia is now going ahead in leaps and bounds since Hyundai takeover. Most models now share many Hyundai platforms, panels and components & it's currently the fastest growing brand - admittedly form a very small base - in the UK and some other Euro countries. VFM and metal for the money always made it hard to go past for many people with specific space/function needs & a limited budget but it is increasingly beginning to be a purchase of choice for many. Cheers > I rather have a crash in a Magna, Magna can tow and fit 5 with ease, > and somewhere to actually fit the LPG tank, unlike the Getz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I don't need towing, fit five in my Getz? Where will the LPG tank fit in the Getz? Why, in the boot, of course. >> > Save from day one WITH NO CAPITAL OUTLAY WIN x WIN >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > fool would pick one over a Toyota product.Same price the Koreans are > screwed, they are buying the market. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The 3 grand less and unlimited warranty is to stem against the perception that Korean is rubbish. >> Korean.rules.today > > How soon we forget the Excel and the chassis cracking and > splitting.Cheap pox metal with poor design. ~~~~~~~~~~~ That was then, this is now. You should revisit the Korean cars of today. > Korea is at least a decade behind Japan, if not more ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Not anymore, particularly in the lawnmower class. And then the Yaris is BUTT UGLY. -- Yaris.has.space.saver.spare.tyre.Getz.has.full.sized.spare >You.should.visit.Korean.vehicles I have and am, currently assisting a party and about to going to war against KA [Kia Australia], legal action is pending >Yaris.has.space.saver.spare.tyre.Getz.has.full.sized.spare Who cares, BMW have none, female not able to change it anyway, thats the job of NRMA Cheers M/P >>You.should.visit.Korean.vehicles > > I have and am, currently assisting a party and about to going to war > against KA [Kia Australia], legal action is pending ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hyundai is not Kia. Kia make rubbish; Hyundai make great vehicles. >>Yaris.has.space.saver.spare.tyre.Getz.has.full.sized.spare > > Who cares, BMW have none, female not able to change it anyway, thats > the job of NRMA ~~~~~~~~~~~~ I care. The space savers are more expensive to replace and they're rated at 80kph only. -- I.demand.full.sized.spares.for.this.class.of.vehicle. On May 30, 1:26 pm, "> > On May 30, 1:00 pm, "Just JT" <JohnnyT...@Hotmale.com> wrote: > >>You.should.visit.Korean.vehicles > > I have and am, currently assisting a party and about to going to war > > against KA [Kia Australia], legal action is pending > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Hyundai is not Kia. Kia make rubbish; Hyundai make great vehicles. You said "Korean" Kia/Hyundai are both Korean, both with same owner, building cloned vehicles and with same powertrains etc. Re above litigation, not allowed to comment directly at this time, will be demanding a full refund on return of Korean HOS vehicle, nothing less. Guess what brand will be purchased regardless of outcome:-) > > Who cares, BMW have none, female not able to change it anyway, thats > > the job of NRMA > I care. The space savers are more expensive to replace and they're rated at > 80kph only.> I.demand.full.sized.spares.for.this.class.of.vehicle. Like you, have not had a puncture in over 25+ years of driving, puncture is not a big thing anymore, most times if you dont remove the nail, you can proceed to BobJane and get it fixed while you wait, no spare required,and blowouts are a truck thing Look, your happy with Korean, good for you, i will NEVER buy Korean, not while near every other on the market is superior, i suppose the sooner China enters the market, gets Korea off the bottom of the heap! Cheers M/P > Re above litigation, not allowed to comment directly at this time, > will be demanding a full refund on return of Korean HOS vehicle, > nothing less. Good luck with that, but you'll probably end up being the mouse that takes on the Gorilla like thousands of others. > Guess what brand will be purchased regardless of outcome:-) Good luck with that too, as not everything Toyota makes is great :) -- Regards, Noddy. On May 30, 1:48 pm, Michael.Past...@gmail.com wrote: > Like you, have not had a puncture in over 25+ years of driving, > puncture is not a big thing anymore, most times if you dont remove the > nail, you can proceed to BobJane and get it fixed while you wait, no > spare required,and blowouts are a truck thing What a load of crap. About six months ago, I walked out to my old Astra parked in the driveway, ready to drive to Sydney, and noticed a nail in the rear left tyre that looked too far in to remove. Because I have a full size spare, I was on my way maybe 10 minutes later than I otherwise would have been because I just changed the thing and got on with it. Using your idea, I would have had to find a tyre place that could do something about it on a Saturday afternoon (and get the car there in the first place without permanently destroying the tyre). And of course, while tyre shops might be open on Saturday arvo they sure as hell aren't open outside of business hours. Yeah, brilliant idea not to have a spare. (By the way, I've had nails or screws get into my tyres three times in 10 years of driving, so punctures are not a thing of the past in any way). > Look, your happy with Korean, good for you, i will NEVER buy Korean, > not while near every other on the market is superior, i suppose the > sooner China enters the market, gets Korea off the bottom of the heap! I'd be more than happy to buy a Korean car if there was one made that met whatever requirements I had at the time. It hasn't happened yet, but I don't rule them out on the basis of prejudice alone. Marco > (By the way, I've had nails or screws get into my tyres three times in > 10 years of driving, so punctures are not a thing of the past in any > way). Agreed the only real reason some cars like BMW and so forth don't carry spares is they use run flat tyres. Although as handy as it sounds it seems to compromise the ride quality of the car. You would be nuts to have a car without a spare tire (if you dont have run flats). But then again a spare is useless when someone does not know how change a tyre. Which I think anyone getting a licence or has a licence and does not know how to should learn. :-) SignatureRegards Dan >.....But then again a spare >is useless when someone does not know how change a tyre..... Or the fool at the tyre place has overtightened the nuts with the electric tool they use and they just cannot be budged manually..... >>.....But then again a spare >>is useless when someone does not know how change a tyre..... > > Or the fool at the tyre place has overtightened the nuts with the electric > tool > they use and they just cannot be budged manually..... The fool? You mean the young lad who is being paid a few bucks a day to fit your tyres and fix your punctures? Maybe you could offer your services to your nearest Bob Janes. Anything they paid you, would be too much though, as you cant budge a nut manually.. and only fools use rattle guns. > > (By the way, I've had nails or screws get into my tyres three times in > > 10 years of driving, so punctures are not a thing of the past in any [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Regards > Dan As per your post Dan, real reason is that the drivers have NFI how to change a tyre: Boss of BMW - "With run-flat tyres, again we were the first one who said, 'This is how we see it'. We introduced it as a safety feature, so if you have a blow-out you don't cause an accident. And also because we found out that 95 per cent of people cannot change a tyre because they have never done it before. "We are in the fourth generation (of run-flats) and the comfort issue is nearly there, where it should be. Nearly. The first generation was too hard, it was a hard feeling, but we now get less and less complaints about comfort with the fourth generation." Love how he kicks Audi in the nuts: http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/29BD68AA9B6E146DCA2572F900097F05 M/P On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 04:37:20 -0000, "mf1@project1221.com < PT-141& P2 Member" <auscars@gmail.com> wrote: >> Agreed the only real reason some cars like BMW and so forth don't carry >> spares is they use run flat tyres. Although as handy as it sounds it seems [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >that 95 per cent of people cannot change a tyre because they have >never done it before. (snip) not forgetting the fact that probably 80% of them never check that the spare has any useful pressure, so changing to it would often be worse than a run-flat of *any* generation. > How soon we forget the Excel and the chassis cracking and > splitting.Cheap pox metal with poor design. > > Korea is at least a decade behind Japan, if not more *Some* Korean manufacturers, like Daewoo and Kia, have a long way to go, but others, like Hyundai, have made significant gains in recent times to be the equal of anyone else they directly compete against. They've been helped in no small way by the "established" Japanese manufacturers lowering their own standards in the interests of competitive pricing. > Glad your happy with your Getz, NO WAY would i have purchased one, $3k > extra well spent IMHO You need to get out more if you think the Yaris is a better car than the Getz. Personally, I'd rate the Yaris towards the bottom of it's class, and *way* behind things like the Getz, the Jazz and the Mazda 2. -- Regards, Noddy. >On May 30, 12:05 pm, "Just JT" >>>> > - there is NO environmental >advantage over switching to LPG. CO2 emissions [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >http://www.apamfg.com.au/main_pages/health_&_envir.html and of course they have an unbiased pov? >To sum up"LPG also provides air quality benefits. Australian studies >show that using LPG produces 80 per cent less air toxics than petrol. Not what Just JT was on about. CO2 isn't a "toxic". >LPG also produces 30 per cent less smog-forming emissions from the >exhaust and creates no evaporative emissions from the petrol tank" Not what Just JT was on about. CO2 isn't a "smog-forming emission". >> I can always convert the Getz to LPG sometime if I want to. I bet you the >> Getz will consume less LPG than the Magna. > >I rather have a crash in a Magna, Magna can tow and fit 5 with ease, >and somewhere to actually fit the LPG tank, unlike the Getz I'd rather *live* in a Getz than drive a Magna. >You get what you pay for, Getz HAS to sell @ $3k less otherwise only a >fool would pick one over a Toyota product. Same price the Koreans are >screwed, they are buying the market. Ah, right, I see it now. Hyundai are going broke just so they can compete with Toyoco. <rolls eyes> Makes sense to you maybe. >> Korean.rules.today > >How soon we forget the Excel and the chassis cracking and >splitting.Cheap pox metal with poor design. That was then, this is now. A year is a long time in the car industry. Look at Honda - their first offerings here in Oz were worse than pathetic - the Scamp/Z-360. Then in the Civic years they started to get their ducks in line. In the car industry, if you don't improve you get overrun by the competition. When that happens, you lose cubic dollars like GM, Ford and Chrysler in the US. They are now coming to grips with that reality. >Korea is at least a decade behind Japan, if not more Closer than that, and the gap is shrinking. >Glad your happy with your Getz, NO WAY would i have purchased one, $3k >extra well spent IMHO That's your view. Not everyone shares it. And that dash layout is something out of a horror comic. It's abysmal. Nissan f.cked up when they dropped the Pulsar in favour of the Tiida. Toyota f.cked up similarly when they introduced the Yaris. The Echo wasn't anything to write home about, but the Yaris is *not* an improvement. >Its not just cars its everything, Cameras, PC, fridges, earthmoving >equipment, NOWHERE is Korea anywhere near Japan, the fact is most of >the Korean product is old obsolete Japanese stuff Keep saying that, and soon you'll believe it to be true. > - there is NO environmental advantage over switching to LPG. CO2 emissions > are no different between petrol and LPG. Bzzzt... Lpg is better for the environment (and people) than petrol is. By a long way. -- Regards, Noddy. > > - there is NO environmental advantage over switching to LPG. CO2 emissions > > are no different between petrol and LPG. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Lpg is better for the environment (and people) than petrol is. By a long > way. You and I (people) are living proof of that :-) In the '70s toluene was used in a gov workshop I worked in and one day a safety guy said we were no longer to use it as it was a suspected carcinogen. Of course now we know it's in petrol and many mechanics still use petrol to clean parts in open containers. Toluene is a brain toxin but there are still no warnings on petrol bowsers to help prevent it's misuse. When I inquired some years ago why the known carcinogen benzene was not warned of, a well known fuel company responded saying that the level of benzene in petrol would have to exceed 5% and they also told me toluene was about 12% IIRC. In some past threads you have told people to wash parts in petrol. Q. Are you still stupid enough to wash parts in petrol? Al SignatureThose impressed by your intelligence are obviously dumber than you. http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html "Albm&ctd" <alb_mandctdNOWMD@connexus.net.au> wrote in message > Q. Are you still stupid enough to wash parts in petrol? I use gunwash thinners actually. Cleaner, faster drying without any residue, and it gives my skin that "Ooh, you've been out near the nuclear power station without any sunblock on again, haven't you?" glow :) -- Regards, Noddy. > "Albm&ctd" <alb_mandctdNOWMD@connexus.net.au> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > you've been out near the nuclear power station without any sunblock on > again, haven't you?" glow :) I just piss on the Lada parts. Al SignatureThose impressed by your intelligence are obviously dumber than you. http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html > <Michael.Past...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > -- > Korean.rules.today NOT in the real world!Maybe in your mind? Here is the real crusher: Yes, the Yaris cost $1k more at a retail level, but a 06' v 06' the Yaris is already worth $600-$1000 more to trade in, [taking into account the extra $1000 paid at purchase time] As they get older the gap will get larger and larger, Toyota have the best *overall* resale on the market. http://www.redbookasiapacific.com/au/vehicle/comparespecs.php?key2=HYUN06AV&key= TOYO06AA Its the brand more people want, and are will pay more for.[Look at those Corollas, like money in the bank!] Understand.the.difference.between.cheap.and.value.! Cheers M/P > Its the brand more people want, and are will pay more for.[Look at > those Corollas, like money in the bank!] Here's a useful tip: Redbook isn't very accurate, and their price guides are exactly that: *guides*. Redbook arrives at it's figures by scanning the media for advertised prices to calculate a national average, and as anyone who's had anything at all to do with selling cars will tell you vehicle value is as much location dependent as it is model popularity. For example, a car that might sell well for a ten thousand dollar average in Victoria might do poorly at much less than that in Queensland, and visa versa. Where Redbook falls down (apart from often being highly inaccurate with it's vehicle specifications) is that it quotes an average *advertised* price, not an average *selling* price. The two can be, and often are, *very* different. If you want an accurate reflection of what a vehicle is worth, then the classifieds of your local daily newspaper or trading post type publication are a far better indicator. -- Regards, Noddy. > <Michael.Past...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Here's a useful tip: Redbook isn't very accurate, Indeed Your far to kind, and 100% correct, Redbook is about rubbish, they do not "buy cars", "get them to buy your widget" as the dealer wholesaler/valuer will tell you. Them and Glass are very much a *guide*, supply and demand drive the prices [GTHO anyone?] and lucky for Toyota they are the premium brand in the *normal* market, that most want, so they have about the best resale. God knows how much every car owes them in advertising dollars, which of course they pass onto the consumer Cheers M/P >$975,,,,,, you have already lost double that in >depreciation Had he bought a new Magna he would have lost even more in depreciation. >Lpg is better for the environment (and people) than >petrol is. By a long way. LPG conversion on a large car reduces CO2 emissions by about 15 per cent. However, downsizing from a large petrol car to a small petrol car will reduce CO2 emissions by about 50 per cent. > LPG conversion on a large car reduces CO2 emissions by about 15 per > cent. However, downsizing from a large petrol car to a small petrol > car will reduce CO2 emissions by about 50 per cent. Some examples would be? LPG produces emissions that are next to harmless to humans and other animals, which is precisely why industrial engines that operate indoors can be lpg fueled. -- Regards, Noddy. > LPG produces emissions that are next to harmless to humans and other > animals, which is precisely why industrial engines that operate indoors > can be lpg fueled. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I bet you the Magna on LP-Gas will emit more CO2 than the Getz on petrol. -- Downsizing.is.the.way.to.go > I bet you the Magna on LP-Gas will emit more CO2 than the Getz on petrol. It probably would, but that's got nothing to do with the point I was making. > Downsizing.is.the.way.to.go For some, but it's not applicable to everyone. -- Regards, Noddy. >> I bet you the Magna on LP-Gas will emit more CO2 than the Getz on petrol. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > For some, but it's not applicable to everyone. I'd still rather have a crash in a Magna than a Getz. For P plate kids, I'd consider that. (Having said that I'd trade my big car in on a Lotus Elise any second.) > I'd still rather have a crash in a Magna than a Getz. For P plate kids, > I'd consider that. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'd rather never crash: learn defensive driving. > (Having said that I'd trade my big car in on a Lotus Elise any second.) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You must be a midget if you can fit in a Lotus Elise. -- Or.had.leg.shortening.surgery. >> I'd still rather have a crash in a Magna than a Getz. For P plate >> kids, I'd consider that. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > You must be a midget if you can fit in a Lotus Elise. It's not too bad as long as the roof isn't up. An exige would be impossible. > I'd still rather have a crash in a Magna than a Getz. For P plate kids, > I'd consider that. I wouldn't. You've got just as much chance being killed in anything in particular. -- Regards, Noddy. >> -- >> Korean.rules.today > > NOT in the real world!Maybe in your mind? ~~~~~~~~~~~ The perception that Korean is rubbish is slowly eroding with the current reputation of Hyundai. > Here is the real crusher: > > Yes, the Yaris cost $1k more at a retail level, but a 06' v 06' the > Yaris is already worth $600-$1000 more to trade in, [taking into > account the extra $1000 paid at purchase time] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Make that $3k. Hyundai offered less $1k plus a 5dr for the price of the 3dr on the weekend I ordered my lawnmower. > As they get older the gap will get larger and larger, Toyota have the > best *overall* resale on the market. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Understand.the.difference.between.cheap.and.value.! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Resale value has little value to me. I don't trade in a car after three years. I buy new and then keep it for 10-20 years depending on utility for me. By then resale value is dependent on how well an old car is maintained. -- I'll.prolly.keep.my.baby.Lexus.for.20.yrs.and.turn.it.over.to.my.grandkids <<lly.keep.my.baby.Lexus.for.20.yrs. Good to see Toyota got its fangs into you anyway! Cheers M/P > <<lly.keep.my.baby.Lexus.for.20.yrs. > > Good to see Toyota got its fangs into you anyway! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This is my take on the situation. In the up market, Lexus is king, beating the overpriced Euro cars in value and build quality. However in the lawnmower market, Toyota is overpriced compared to Hyundai. Hyundai offers a five-year unlimited km warranty so the company is backing up their product. -- I.have.no.brand.loyalty. >Here is the real crusher: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Understand.the.difference.between.cheap.and.value.! Corolla <> Yaris. One is dull, boring, inoffensive, bland, cardigan stuff (SWMBO has an '03) while the Yaris is offensive in styling (someone said butt ugly - yep, thats' why we bought a 2/h 'rolla) and yes Stevie Wonder DID design the dash. It is grotesque, and if for no other reason you'd never get me into one sober. >> First visit to petrol station for the Hyundai Getz. Trip metre says 429 >> km. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > The.Best.Small.Car.Is The.Toyota.Yaris.PERIOD BZZZZZZZZZZZZZT!!!! Picked up a 2nd hand 1995 121 Bubble for the wife's shopping trolley last Monday for $3500 with aircon. Actually the 2nd choice was a 2nd hand Echo but they hold their value too freakin well :-) Cheers LT. > BZZZZZZZZZZZZZT!!!! Picked up a 2nd hand 1995 121 Bubble for the wife's > shopping trolley last Monday for $3500 with aircon. Actually the 2nd > choice was a 2nd hand Echo but they hold their value too freakin well :-) Jesus... Why would anyone want an Echo? They're one of the crappiest small cars around. -- Regards, Noddy. >> BZZZZZZZZZZZZZT!!!! Picked up a 2nd hand 1995 121 Bubble for the wife's >> shopping trolley last Monday for $3500 with aircon. Actually the 2nd [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Why would anyone want an Echo? They're one of the crappiest small cars > around. What? DavidZ says they're great ;-) Cheers LT. The fuel figure quoted by the earlier poster for the Hyundai Getz of 7.3 l/100km for inner city driving on "Shitney" roads we are told Sorry, but fuel consumption is one of the very few things where I still think in Imperial units Just figuring in my head I reckon that works out approx 36 mpg Well I reckon for the driving conditions indicated that's pretty darn good Under a normal "country drive" I'd hope you'd get 10 more mpg, and under optimum country drive conditions with a driver striving for fuel economy you might even get 20 mpg more, ie 56 mpg (and yes that's more than you'd likely get out of a Toyota Prius hybrid, which costs 3 times the purchase price of a Getz) Yes you could have hung onto your old Magna for longer, perhaps converting it to LPG, but then you'd have had the worry of requiring it to pass NSW's mandated periodic inspections requiring costly expensive and unnecessary "repairs". Whereas the Getz should be honky-dory for some years to come. Enjoy your Getz -- "Save the Cheerleader, Save the World" .....HEROES ep 5 Oct 2006 this email brought to you by Rubbish-Dump computer-power ! Find me at http://myspace.com/catherinejemma check my weBlog http://catherinejemma.blogspot.com Patsy....."So is killing NOT wrong anymore ?" Trudy....."We don't have to worry about Right and Wrong anymore, ZOOT decides for us" ................The Tribe episode 2:49 > The fuel figure quoted by the earlier poster for the Hyundai Getz of 7.3 > l/100km [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Just figuring in my head I reckon that works out approx 36 mpg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 7.3 ltrs/100km is 32mpg. > Well I reckon for the driving conditions indicated that's pretty darn good > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > of > a Getz) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ADR fuel consumption is 6.1 or 39mpg. I doubt I can achieve beyond that. > Yes you could have hung onto your old Magna for longer, perhaps converting > it to LPG, but then you'd have had the worry of requiring it to pass NSW's > mandated periodic inspections requiring costly expensive and unnecessary > "repairs". Whereas the Getz should be honky-dory for some years to come. > > Enjoy your Getz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thanks. It's due for free 1000km service this Friday. So far it's been great. -- 1.4.ltr.engine.is.more.than.adequate >> The fuel figure quoted by the earlier poster for the Hyundai Getz of 7.3 >> l/100km [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >7.3 ltrs/100km is 32mpg. are you using a yank calculator? >ADR fuel consumption is 6.1 or 39mpg. I doubt I can achieve beyond that. Can you elaborate on your calcs. Mine are somewhat different, and derive from 10litre/100k aka 10k/litre is 28.2-something mpg. That's statute miles per imperial gallon. >>> The fuel figure quoted by the earlier poster for the Hyundai Getz of 7.3 >>> l/100km [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > are you using a yank calculator? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'm using US gallons and not Imperial gallons. >>ADR fuel consumption is 6.1 or 39mpg. I doubt I can achieve beyond that. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ok, let me derive it for everyone: 6.1 ltrs /100 km = 6.1 ltrs x 1 US gallon / 3.785 ltrs x 1.609 km / 1 statute miles x 1 / 100 km = 9.8149 US gallons / 378.5 statute miles = 38.56382 statute miles per US gallons > Can you elaborate on your calcs. Mine are somewhat different, and derive > from > 10litre/100k aka 10k/litre is 28.2-something mpg. That's statute miles > per > imperial gallon. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ I know an imperial gallon is greater than a US gallon. -- Or.use.nautical.miles.perhaps? > I'm using US gallons and not Imperial gallons. Why would you be doing that? -- Regards, Noddy. >> I'm using US gallons and not Imperial gallons. > > Why would you be doing that? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Because I CAN. -- Try.and.stop.me >> Just figuring in my head I reckon that works out approx 36 mpg >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > 7.3 ltrs/100km is 32mpg. 38mpg > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ADR fuel consumption is 6.1 or 39mpg. I doubt I can achieve beyond that. 46mpg > The fuel figure quoted by the earlier poster for the Hyundai Getz of > 7.3 l/100km [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Well I reckon for the driving conditions indicated that's pretty darn > good It's pretty darn shithouse IMO. Modern car, small, it should be doing way better than 7.3 litres. My old Charade did 5 point something around town and it wasn't fuel injected. And my Vitara does in the Sevens around town. SignatureDon't try to email me; I'm using the spammer du jour's email addy > It's pretty darn shithouse IMO. Modern car, small, it should be doing way > better than 7.3 litres. My old Charade did 5 point something around town > and it wasn't fuel injected. And my Vitara does in the Sevens around town. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And which part of town do you live? I reckon it's not bumper-to-bumper five-km-an-hour traffic snarls you have to go through every day. -- I.reckon.you.live.in.the.sticks > > It's pretty darn shithouse IMO. Modern car, small, it should be > > doing way better than 7.3 litres. My old Charade did 5 point [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > And which part of town do you live? I reckon it's not bumper-to-bumper > five-km-an-hour traffic snarls you have to go through every day. No. The traffic snarls I have to get through every day actually come to a standstill. SignatureDon't try to email me; I'm using the spammer du jour's email addy >> > It's pretty darn shithouse IMO. Modern car, small, it should be >> > doing way better than 7.3 litres. My old Charade did 5 point [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > No. The traffic snarls I have to get through every day actually come to a > standstill. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Fuel economy is a function of kerb weight and driving conditions. What are the ADR fuel consumption numbers for your Daihatsu and Vitara? -- And.I'm.sorry.to.know.that.you.own.a.Vitara >>> > It's pretty darn shithouse IMO. Modern car, small, it should be >>> > doing way better than 7.3 litres. My old Charade did 5 point [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Fuel economy is a function of kerb weight and driving conditions. AND: the nut on the end of the steering column. What > are the ADR fuel consumption numbers for your Daihatsu and Vitara? > No. The traffic snarls I have to get through every day actually come to a > standstill. What traffic snarls - don't you live somewhere in the general Canberra area? Marco >> No. The traffic snarls I have to get through every day actually come >> to a standstill. > > What traffic snarls - don't you live somewhere in the general Canberra > area? Ever driven around the airport during rush 3 hours? I do it twice a day. and then the Russell/Kings ave roundabout. SignatureDon't try to reply to my email addy: I'm borrowing that of the latest scammer/spammer >>> No. The traffic snarls I have to get through every day actually come >>> to a standstill. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Ever driven around the airport during rush 3 hours? I do it twice a day. > and then the Russell/Kings ave roundabout. ~~~~~~~~~~~ So what's the ADR fuel consumption of your Charade and Vitara? -- I'd.likes.to.know. >>>> No. The traffic snarls I have to get through every day actually >>>> come to a standstill. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > ~~~~~~~~~~~ > So what's the ADR fuel consumption of your Charade and Vitara? f.ck knows. I flogged the Charade when I bought the Vitara. The Charade had 3 cylinders. The official fuel economy ratings for cars are always more thirsty than what I get from cars. The trick is not to slow down for curves or corners. that way, you're not speeding up again. My Vitara does 450 kms for a 34 litre fill. I set the clock every fill. When it does worse than that, I know something's up. SignatureDon't try to reply to my email addy: I'm borrowing that of the latest scammer/spammer > -- > Not.sure.about.CO2.savings. Don't bother saving that CO2 sh.t. It will asphyxiate you. You.have.to.breath.out.sometime. Al SignatureI don't take sides. It's more fun to insult everyone. http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html >> -- >> Not.sure.about.CO2.savings. >> > Don't bother saving that CO2 sh.t. It will asphyxiate you. > You.have.to.breath.out.sometime. Also why deny the tree's from their serving of C02 daily feed as well. :-) SignatureRegards Dan |
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