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Allah wreaks havoc in Newcastle

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John_H - 09 Jun 2007 10:11 GMT
Hope Athol's stayed dry!
Steve - 09 Jun 2007 15:35 GMT
> Hope Athol's stayed dry!

Yes we just got our power back after 23 hours, so I'm catching up. And
Cardiff where Athol loves really copped it, apparently a bridge near
his place went underwater. Athol, if you are able to read this, let us
know that all is well.

Steve
atec 77 - 10 Jun 2007 04:43 GMT
>> Hope Athol's stayed dry!
>
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>
> Steve

Perhaps if he doesn't replay one of us can call him later ?
Jeßus - 10 Jun 2007 08:37 GMT
>> Hope Athol's stayed dry!
>
> Yes we just got our power back after 23 hours, so I'm catching up. And
> Cardiff where Athol loves really copped it, apparently a bridge near
> his place went underwater. Athol, if you are able to read this, let us
> know that all is well.

Hopefully he had the foresight to retrofit a snorkel to his modem.
atec 77 - 10 Jun 2007 12:48 GMT
>>> Hope Athol's stayed dry!
>>
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>
> Hopefully he had the foresight to retrofit a snorkel to his modem.
Not answering sms atm .
Athol - 10 Jun 2007 13:09 GMT
> Not answering sms atm .

Answered by posting here.  :-)

Mobile phone towers all went kaput when the mains failed, so I
switched it off to conserve batteries.  Managed to send one SMS to
PY from inlaws place last night.  They had hot water and electricity,
so drove there, had dinner, bath for son, showers for wife and me
then came home to house with no power.  Evidently, they were outside
the mobile phone blackout zone.

Currently have power on 2 of 3 phases.  Pity some of the neighbours
who have only one phase...  Suggestions are that it could be late in
the week by the time the other phase is fixed.  Not certain whether
it's the step-down across the street that has failed or something in
the 11kV feed to it.

The things in our house wired to the dead phase include the entire
house worth of lights (except the bathroom heater/light/fan), about
3/4 of house power points, HWS and oven (not stove top).

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atec 77 - 10 Jun 2007 22:48 GMT
>> Not answering sms atm .
>
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> house worth of lights (except the bathroom heater/light/fan), about
> 3/4 of house power points, HWS and oven (not stove top).

As long as everyone keeps draw down to a minimum and the freezer working
, turn the h/w off ( I expect you have ) , so do you have a chip heater
and I am surprised you failed to get the generator in time , maybe next
year as I am betting the drough will be over by then enough to save your
premiers arse .
the_dawggie - 11 Jun 2007 13:58 GMT
> > Not answering sms atm .
>
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> house worth of lights (except the bathroom heater/light/fan), about
> 3/4 of house power points, HWS and oven (not stove top).

Just disconnect the broken phase and temporarily connect one
of the others :-)
atec 77 - 11 Jun 2007 21:53 GMT
>>> Not answering sms atm .
>> Answered by posting here.  :-)
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> Just disconnect the broken phase and temporarily connect one
> of the others :-)

Ah not a good idea
John Hudson - 11 Jun 2007 22:16 GMT
> Just disconnect the broken phase and temporarily connect one
> of the others :-)

Too many electric shocks can be hazardous to your health. Just call a
sparky, he can swap the circuits onto another phase in 5 minutes.
huddo
Peelah Ben Arhna - 19 Jun 2007 02:13 GMT
Athol said....

> Currently have power on 2 of 3 phases.  Pity some of the neighbours
> who have only one phase...  Suggestions are that it could be late in
> the week by the time the other phase is fixed.  Not certain whether
> it's the step-down across the street that has failed or something in
> the 11kV feed to it.

That's weird. Normally if you have a single phase failure it's due to a
failed conductor somewhere - or a blown fuse. If it was upstream of your
local transformer then that would operate protection to take out the
entire line. It's called "transformer differential" protection, or it
might be line prot. But usually you don't have 1 "dead" phase upstream
of your immediate supply point.

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Athol - 19 Jun 2007 08:22 GMT
> Athol said....

>> Currently have power on 2 of 3 phases.  Pity some of the neighbours
>> who have only one phase...  Suggestions are that it could be late in
>> the week by the time the other phase is fixed.  Not certain whether
>> it's the step-down across the street that has failed or something in
>> the 11kV feed to it.

> That's weird. Normally if you have a single phase failure it's due to a
> failed conductor somewhere - or a blown fuse. If it was upstream of your
> local transformer then that would operate protection to take out the
> entire line. It's called "transformer differential" protection, or it
> might be line prot. But usually you don't have 1 "dead" phase upstream
> of your immediate supply point.

Turned out to be a fuse on the output of the local transformer.

It blew half an hour to an hour after the 11kV feed came back on.  A
guy came and replaced it the following day (between 4 and 5pm) and it
blew as he drove off around the corner.  The following day, they came
back again at about 10pm and tried again.  That time, it went in and
stayed up.

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Peelah Ben Arhna - 26 Jun 2007 02:58 GMT
Athol said....

> Turned out to be a fuse on the output of the local transformer.
>
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> back again at about 10pm and tried again.  That time, it went in and
> stayed up.

Usually when something like that blows there's a line fault somewhere.
At around $5k a pop for fuses it's not something that you "just whack
another in and see if she sticks" sort of thing. Particularly when you
talk about those kinds of voltages.

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the_dawggie - 10 Jun 2007 07:29 GMT
> Hope Athol's stayed dry!

Athol's story:

"Very p'd off.  no power since about 2am,
garage & all three sheds flooded, back fence
part washed away, 1/2 fallen tree threatening
new shed, road nearly fsck".

My story:

Here in Shitney was an "equally
unimpressed". Just sold house, and as I
type this, just returned from moving the
last of my shite from the garage .... because
there were 100 kph winds and rain (faces the
ocean). Had to give up on the job both
days because it simply wasn't doable.

Walking down the side of the house,
I was actually almost blown over (I'm
sorta tall and skinny). It crossed my
mind I could actually tie myself to the
tree there and float like in a wind tunnel.
The rain was a bit heavy to try it.

Anyway, I'm now a homeless dawggie
staying with friend.
Toby_Ponsenby - 10 Jun 2007 08:51 GMT
the_dawggie blathered on in Re: Allah wreaks havoc in Newcastle:

>> Hope Athol's stayed dry!
>
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> Anyway, I'm now a homeless dawggie
> staying with friend.

Just for old times sake, please provide a spray about land tax a couple
of times a year;-)

--

Toby
atec 77 - 10 Jun 2007 13:12 GMT
> the_dawggie blathered on in Re: Allah wreaks havoc in Newcastle:
>
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> Toby
>  

Just got a call from a mate down that way , farm is flooded ( was a dust
bowl last week) and the damns are full , along with the roads washed
away the highway being cut and crap blowing all over trying to kill
animals and people , other than that it's all good .
the_dawggie - 10 Jun 2007 14:25 GMT
> > the_dawggie blathered on in Re: Allah wreaks havoc in Newcastle:
>
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> away the highway being cut and crap blowing all over trying to kill
> animals and people , other than that it's all good .- Hide quoted text -

I was not flooded as (was) living on a hill.
It was nasty weather though. House leaked a bit
on front windows, gardens trashed, however
everything else surprisingly dry (I was expecting
all stuff under house and in garages to be wet
as).
atec 77 - 10 Jun 2007 22:52 GMT
>>> the_dawggie blathered on in Re: Allah wreaks havoc in Newcastle:
>>>>> Hope Athol's stayed dry!
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
> all stuff under house and in garages to be wet
> as).

No Wahine disaser but it certainly highlights the lack f readyness by
your state government , the infrastructure is utterly shite and if the
volinters stopped working the place would colapse... whens your next
election ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahine_disaster
Toby_Ponsenby - 11 Jun 2007 04:57 GMT
atec 77 blathered on in Re: Allah wreaks havoc in Newcastle:

> No Wahine disaser but it certainly highlights the lack f readyness by
> your state government , the infrastructure is utterly shite and if the
> volinters stopped working the place would colapse... whens your next
> election ?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahine_disaster

Love the bit where the 'Salvage Crew' swarmed aboard the freighter.
WTF is a Salvage Crew?
Is there some sort of bench seat in the harbourmasters office with such
a mob sitting on it ready to go out there and be heroes?

Where's the 'real crew'?
In a tent somewhere being 'processed,  last I heard.
Natuarally they're sub-human and will be speedily dispatched to Naru or
maybe that new monster jail on Christmas Island for 7 to 10 years, I
guess.
Be a decent test for the now usual and of course entirely coincidental
pre-election influx of extremely naughty folk in extremely unseaworthy
cockleshells.  

But the RealDeal about the salvage crew is I'm thinking they work for
insurance shysters.
Which gets interesting, because that boat is close enough to shore for
'somebody' to have noticed the the boat has a decent hole in it that
shouldn't be there:-)
So, the 'authorities' have now have to begrudgingly admit that yes, the
hull of the boat is in fact breached, and that it's 'taking in water'.
Which is well put indeed - and of course said delicately couched phrase
implies it's supposedly not leaking the other way.
My oh My - what a bugger to have to admit that - to the public, no less.
No comment about the diesel, fuel-oil and little foreign gentlemans
waste holding tanks -yet.

BTY, There's a prize to the first turkey to get a G James Aluminium
sign up on the ships chimney.

--

Toby
atec 77 - 11 Jun 2007 09:24 GMT
> atec 77 blathered on in Re: Allah wreaks havoc in Newcastle:
>
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> Love the bit where the 'Salvage Crew' swarmed aboard the freighter.
> WTF is a Salvage Crew?
 a crew dispatched on the owners behalf to stop others laying claim

> Is there some sort of bench seat in the harbourmasters office with such
> a mob sitting on it ready to go out there and be heroes?
 now thats plain silly

> Where's the 'real crew'?
 quite a few were drowned when abandoning ship as the "ship" sank like
a stone in deep water dumping hundreds into the incredibly nad weather
drowning dozens ( I was on the shore helping drag them out)

> In a tent somewhere being 'processed,  last I heard.
> Natuarally they're sub-human
 you consider your fellow man sub human ?
 and will be speedily dispatched to Naru or
> maybe that new monster jail on Christmas Island for 7 to 10 years, I
> guess.

 clueless as usual

> Be a decent test for the now usual and of course entirely coincidental
> pre-election influx of extremely naughty folk in extremely unseaworthy
> cockleshells.  
 wtf has this to do with the Wahine disaster ?

> But the RealDeal about the salvage crew is I'm thinking they work for
> insurance shysters.
 you didn't think this through at all

> Which gets interesting, because that boat is close enough to shore for
> 'somebody' to have noticed the the boat has a decent hole in it that
> shouldn't be there:-)
 more sillyness

> So, the 'authorities' have now have to begrudgingly admit that yes, the
> hull of the boat is in fact breached, and that it's 'taking in water'.
 Sank like a stone was the term used

> Which is well put indeed - and of course said delicately couched phrase
> implies it's supposedly not leaking the other way.
> My oh My - what a bugger to have to admit that - to the public, no less.
> No comment about the diesel, fuel-oil and little foreign gentlemans
> waste holding tanks -yet.

 more sillyness

> BTY, There's a prize to the first turkey to get a G James Aluminium
> sign up on the ships chimney.
 not a clue as usual

> --
>
> Toby
Toby_Ponsenby - 11 Jun 2007 11:35 GMT
atec 77 blathered on in Re: Allah wreaks havoc in Newcastle:

>> atec 77 blathered on in Re: Allah wreaks havoc in Newcastle:
>>
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>>
>> Toby

The thread was/is about the Pasha Bulker - Not the Wahine - that was
merely a link provided and appears to refer to an an attempt by the
Kiwis to, as usual, get some sort of World Record up.

But never mind - clueless top posters often make mistakes like that.
But thanks for your explanation of the Salvage Crew. I genuinely didn't
know squat about how all that worked, though I might have guessed;-)

--

Toby
atec 77 - 11 Jun 2007 21:54 GMT
> atec 77 blathered on in Re: Allah wreaks havoc in Newcastle:
>
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>
> Toby

The last word
Toby_Ponsenby - 12 Jun 2007 09:46 GMT
Goodonya

atec 77 blathered on in Re: Allah wreaks havoc in Newcastle:

>> atec 77 blathered on in Re: Allah wreaks havoc in Newcastle:
>>
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>>
> The last word
atec 77 - 12 Jun 2007 13:44 GMT
> atec 77 blathered on in Re: Allah wreaks havoc in Newcastle:
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>>>
>> The last word

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ant - 11 Jun 2007 14:44 GMT
> Love the bit where the 'Salvage Crew' swarmed aboard the freighter.
> WTF is a Salvage Crew?

Basically,  they are legal

Poirates.

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the_dawggie - 10 Jun 2007 14:17 GMT
> the_dawggie blathered on in Re: Allah wreaks havoc in Newcastle:
>
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> Just for old times sake, please provide a spray about land tax a couple
> of times a year;-)

All gone now, don't pay it any more. It was a major
factor in selling the place - too much $ - council
rates getting a major increase soon too next month.

Right time to get out. I don't think the new owners
were that impressed by the minor cyclone damage,
which of course had to happen just as I was moving
out at exactly the wrong time (weather conditions
have not been like that since the '70's - yeah,
I did shout some swear words).

So yeah .... land tax sux ... might still be there if
that tax wasn't.

I don't go back to work until November, so it's
possibly all good. I'll relax and work out what's
next, and that's gunna need some serious
thought. The joys of being 40. Just don't know. I'll
go the the country for a few months and try to
figure it out.

homeless_dawggie
Athol - 10 Jun 2007 09:42 GMT
>> Hope Athol's stayed dry!

Mostly.

> Athol's story:

> "Very p'd off.  no power since about 2am,
> garage & all three sheds flooded, back fence
> part washed away, 1/2 fallen tree threatening
> new shed, road nearly fsck".

Correction.  2nd last word was nearby, not nearly.

Photos will be forthcoming.  May spend some time tomorrow
taking more but the bridge photos will be of interest to
some.  :-)

The bridge joining the southern end of Newcastle St, Cardiff
to the northern end of Francis St, Cardiff South is closed.

The bridge doesn't appear fsked but the Newcastle end is.

The bridge carries the road across a concrete stormwater
channel.  The stormwater came up and broke into the concrete
face of the embankment.  It then scoured out the bank and tore
out most of the concrete facing from the back, exposing the
bridge pylons and the underside of the road surface...  The
surface hasn't collapsed yet and closer inspection makes it
look like it may actually be a concrete slab with the kerb and
asphalt on top of it.

I'll get a couple of photos onto wikipedia shortly.

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Just JT - 10 Jun 2007 16:09 GMT
> Hope Athol's stayed dry!
~~~~~~~~~~~
Are you sure it wasn't Yahweh?

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John Hudson - 11 Jun 2007 01:27 GMT
>> Hope Athol's stayed dry!
> ~~~~~~~~~~~
> Are you sure it wasn't Yahweh?
>
> --
> Kosher.Halal.and.all.that.jazz

Allah, God, Yahweh? Same suspect, different names Muslims, Christians, Jews,
All sons of Abraham.
All say "My holy book is true, I am right,he is wrong".
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