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Opinion on Roo whistles such as shooroo etc

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pit - 11 Jun 2007 02:02 GMT
What is the groups opinion experience with such devices ?

with the drought (IN WA)  livestock & wildlife  on side of raods
getting "green pick" is really a slalom course
more and more hits in district than ever before .Lucily becuse now
have dropped speed  not nailed anything but the buggers appear more
and more. But adds about 90 minutes to a 500 Km trip  4 times a week
and would like to average a tad more than 63 KMPH over the 500 K's

Also any suggestions similar devices for cattle, goats & sheep   -
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Emus and camels just plain  dozey creatures and you just have to sit
behind them until they decide /learn to get out of the way :)
John_H - 11 Jun 2007 03:08 GMT
>What is the groups opinion experience with such devices ?

Snake oil that's supported solely by the punters' 'testmonials', in
the complete absence of any relevant scientific evidence whatsoever.

Why would the roo (or anything else) hear the device above the vehicle
noise, and why would it react any differently to either sound?  In any
case their usual reaction to any strange sound is to bolt in whatever
direction takes their fancy... which may or may not be into the side
of your car (or in front of it).

Here's a couple of testimonials of my own (take 'em for what they're
worth).

1)  Had a couple of wind operated animal scarers on the front of the
ute for years (got 'em off the $1 specials table at a parts supplier).
Roos and domestic livestock took no notice whatsoever (beyond their
normal reaction to an approaching vehicle or one driving alongside
them).

2)  Bloke I know fitted one of the well known brand electronic devices
to his ute (at great expense) and collected a roo on the first night
out.  Complained to the manufacturer who told him the roo musta been
deaf.

I reckon they all are (when it comes to secret ultrasonic messages
that are supposed to tell 'em to run in the other direction).

The only way to avoid hitting any animal is to drive slow enough to
give it a chance to get out of the way.  The better educated ones will
often stand and watch you pass by (if you don't scare the sh.t out of
'em first).  ;-)

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James - 11 Jun 2007 05:06 GMT
>>What is the groups opinion experience with such devices ?
>
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> often stand and watch you pass by (if you don't scare the sh.t out of
> 'em first).  ;-)

The other way you could look at it is if you drive twice as fast, you are
only on the road for half the time so you've halved your chance of hitting
one.

No I don't seriously believe that, but when I tell people some of them
actually start to believe it. Kinda scary hey :)

I notice the OP asked about sheep as well.....personally i have found sheep
to be easy to get off the road, they seem unique in that they are sh.t 
scared of the average car horn (just make sure the farmer isnt a few hundred
metres up the road on his 4 wheeler first, and that you don't have sign
wrighting on the car...no it wasn't me, another guy at work...LOL)

James
hippo - 11 Jun 2007 07:07 GMT
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>>>What is the groups opinion experience with such devices ?
>>
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>> often stand and watch you pass by (if you don't scare the sh.t out of
>> 'em first).  ;-)

>The other way you could look at it is if you drive twice as fast, you are

>only on the road for half the time so you've halved your chance of hitting
>
>one.

>No I don't seriously believe that, but when I tell people some of them
>actually start to believe it. Kinda scary hey :)

>I notice the OP asked about sheep as well.....personally i have found sheep
>to be easy to get off the road, they seem unique in that they are sh.t 
>scared of the average car horn (just make sure the farmer isnt a few hundred
>metres up the road on his 4 wheeler first, and that you don't have sign
>wrighting on the car...no it wasn't me, another guy at work...LOL)

>James

We found that a series of short beeps close together works better than
just one long blast though. Often works for birds and dogs too...but
unfortunately, like the audio scarers, this doesn't work for roos either!

There was a ute in Nowra a couple of years ago that had some recent
remains on the bullbar folowing a roo encounter on Albatross Rd. I
couldn't decide if the bits of fur would make the generic audio scarers
more or less useless!

Mind you there's another one about with a pair mounted *backwards* and
'Here Skip' stencilled on the bar... Cheers
ant - 11 Jun 2007 15:08 GMT
> I notice the OP asked about sheep as well.....personally i have found
> sheep to be easy to get off the road, they seem unique in that they
> are sh.t scared of the average car horn (just make sure the farmer
> isnt a few hundred metres up the road on his 4 wheeler first, and
> that you don't have sign wrighting on the car...no it wasn't me,
> another guy at work...LOL)

... but if you sound your horn at a wombat, they'll stand up and put up
their dooks at you. They're going to take you on.

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Peelah Ben Arhna - 19 Jun 2007 03:30 GMT
John_H said....

> Why would the roo (or anything else) hear the device above the vehicle
> noise, and why would it react any differently to either sound?  In any

Different frequencies rather than different amplitude?

A mate of mine swears by them. Had one on his motorbike. Rode across the
Nullabor. Claims that the animals lined up on the side of the road, none
venturing across his path.

Another bought one after nearly cleaning up coupla wallabies between
home and work. Seems to think that it works.

Me, I dunno. Somewhat skeptical, I s'pose.

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Diesel Damo - 11 Jun 2007 07:11 GMT
> What is the groups opinion experience with such devices ?
>
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> Emus and camels just plain  dozey creatures and you just have to sit
> behind them until they decide /learn to get out of the way :)

Sounds like you've got a good test bed for a whistle there.

I had them fitted to my Hilux, but as John H says, there's no
scientific proof that they work. I didn't hit anything during that
time but even before I had the whistles there were times when I would
go for months without seeing/hitting anything.

One thing I will say though, a good air horn (as fitted to my ute)
does make the roos get the hell away from you - not just scatter in a
confused mess.
ant - 11 Jun 2007 15:12 GMT
> One thing I will say though, a good air horn (as fitted to my ute)
> does make the roos get the hell away from you - not just scatter in a
> confused mess.

That has worked for me for years, except with Wombats. They regard it as a
call to arms or something.

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Jason James - 11 Jun 2007 08:29 GMT
> What is the groups opinion experience with such devices ?
>
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> Emus and camels just plain  dozey creatures and you just have to sit
> behind them until they decide /learn to get out of the way :)

You'd have more effect sticking a mic in your shorts and dropping a blurter.

Jason
Clockmeister - 11 Jun 2007 11:45 GMT
> What is the groups opinion experience with such devices ?
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Emus and camels just plain  dozey creatures and you just have to sit
> behind them until they decide /learn to get out of the way :)

It's all bullshit designed to empty your wallet and give you a false sense
of safety.
Blinky Bill - 11 Jun 2007 13:03 GMT
> What is the groups opinion experience with such devices ?

A scientific evaluation of the device concluded -

"The promotional literature proclaiming the scientifically proven efficacy
of thisultrasonic deterrence device, the Shu Roo, grossly exaggerates its
capabilities. The results of the signal characteristics and behavioural
responses generate four clear conclusions:
· The Shu Roo is not purely ultrasonic.
· The Shu Roo does not produce sound that is detectable at 400 m.
· The Shu Roo does not alter the behaviour of either eastern grey kangaroos
or red kangaroos.
· The Shu Roo does not reduce the number of collisions between vehicles and
kangaroos."

http://www.browsingdamage.org.au/bender2001.pdf
news - 11 Jun 2007 13:40 GMT
Air horn time

-mark
Athol - 11 Jun 2007 14:25 GMT
> What is the groups opinion experience with such devices ?

Fit the most appropriate form of bullbar available for the vehicle,
and don't bother hanging crap off it.  I'm quite happy with the
"Team Poly" "Smartbar" on my Falcon but I haven't hit anything
bigger than a crow so far...  The crow strike was totally
undetectable after the event, which is more than could be expected
for the same vehicle without the bar.

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ant - 11 Jun 2007 15:15 GMT
>> What is the groups opinion experience with such devices ?
>
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> undetectable after the event, which is more than could be expected
> for the same vehicle without the bar.

I'm glad I got a TJM steel bullbar back in 94, but finally hit a roo with it
at soem velocity a year or so ago. And later noticed, that the bugger had
bent the bar, AND busted up my plastic bumper bar. Huh.  The roo nicked off,
also at velocity. He evidently didn't have insurance.

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John_H - 13 Jun 2007 00:00 GMT
>Fit the most appropriate form of bullbar available for the vehicle,
>and don't bother hanging crap off it.  I'm quite happy with the
>"Team Poly" "Smartbar" on my Falcon but I haven't hit anything
>bigger than a crow so far...  The crow strike was totally
>undetectable after the event, which is more than could be expected
>for the same vehicle without the bar.

Musta been a sick crow!

They've got the fastest reaction time of anything out here -- how many
roadkills do you see.  I've never managed to come close to hitting one
at anything less than 160.   ;-)

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Athol - 13 Jun 2007 00:58 GMT
>>Fit the most appropriate form of bullbar available for the vehicle,
>>and don't bother hanging crap off it.  I'm quite happy with the
>>"Team Poly" "Smartbar" on my Falcon but I haven't hit anything
>>bigger than a crow so far...  The crow strike was totally
>>undetectable after the event, which is more than could be expected
>>for the same vehicle without the bar.

> Musta been a sick crow!

> They've got the fastest reaction time of anything out here -- how many
> roadkills do you see.  I've never managed to come close to hitting one
> at anything less than 160.   ;-)

Therein lies the clue.

Overtaking a series of 4 vehicles that persisted in travelling in convoy
at under the limit on an open highway.  Too close together to pass only
one or two but far enough apart to require WOT for some time to pass
them all before the end of a longish straight...

Of course, the big THUMP followed by a large lump of black with feathers
doesn't 100% guarantee that it was a crow.  I didn't have time to back
off and look.

It left me wondering, though, if birds like that learn which way the
vehicles go on which side of the road and it wasn't looking both ways on
the road.  :-)

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Patrick - 13 Jun 2007 01:53 GMT
> It left me wondering, though, if birds like that learn which way the
> vehicles go on which side of the road and it wasn't looking both ways on
> the road.  :-)

Wouldn't be too surprised. Crows are scary smart given their brain size.
Tool use, even learned tool use. Different groups of crows learn
different behaviour off each other. One crow in Queensland worked out
how to eat a cane toad without dying (flip it over and only eat the
underneath) within a year or two the "secret" was spreading throughout
the state.
John_H - 13 Jun 2007 03:14 GMT
>> It left me wondering, though, if birds like that learn which way the
>> vehicles go on which side of the road and it wasn't looking both ways on
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>underneath) within a year or two the "secret" was spreading throughout
>the state.

The ones found in Southern Australian, which are in fact ravens, are
even smarter than their northern counterparts -- unlike the rest of
the inhabitants.  ;-)

AFAIK it's ravens that use sticks and such for tools.  Haven't yet
worked out what crows do with the wiper blades they pinch.  :)

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Patrick - 13 Jun 2007 05:58 GMT
>>> It left me wondering, though, if birds like that learn which way the
>>> vehicles go on which side of the road and it wasn't looking both ways on
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> AFAIK it's ravens that use sticks and such for tools.  Haven't yet
> worked out what crows do with the wiper blades they pinch.  :)

You don't want to know. Alfred Hitchcock had to censor that part out of
the movie, it was too scary.
Athol - 13 Jun 2007 04:21 GMT
>> It left me wondering, though, if birds like that learn which way the
>> vehicles go on which side of the road and it wasn't looking both ways on
>> the road.  :-)

> Wouldn't be too surprised. Crows are scary smart given their brain size.

Some types of animal are disproportionately intelligent.

Then again, within each species there are stupid ones.  Unfortunately, the
human race is perhaps the only one where the truly stupid are systematically
protected.  Just JT and David Z are examples of this...

In other species, Darwininan selection appears to be operating quite well.

> Tool use, even learned tool use. Different groups of crows learn
> different behaviour off each other. One crow in Queensland worked out
> how to eat a cane toad without dying (flip it over and only eat the
> underneath) within a year or two the "secret" was spreading throughout
> the state.

Excellent.  Crows being the solution to cane toads would be a win for our
environment.  Elminates the need to import yet more foreign species to
control the existing ones...

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John McKenzie - 13 Jun 2007 05:13 GMT
> Of course, the big THUMP followed by a large lump of black with feathers
> doesn't 100% guarantee that it was a crow.  I didn't have time to back
> off and look.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHcDM1kNvbc

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Dan--- - 13 Jun 2007 05:17 GMT
>> Of course, the big THUMP followed by a large lump of black with feathers
>> doesn't 100% guarantee that it was a crow.  I didn't have time to back
>> off and look.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHcDM1kNvbc

LOL!
Nice find! :-)

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John McKenzie - 13 Jun 2007 07:04 GMT
> >> Of course, the big THUMP followed by a large lump of black with feathers
> >> doesn't 100% guarantee that it was a crow.  I didn't have time to back
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> LOL!
> Nice find! :-)

I actually didn't know if I would. It's one (as in a scene from the
series I fondly remembered) I remembered reading Athol's post and did a
quick search on you chewb and it was there thankfully to link to.

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Dan--- - 15 Jun 2007 04:08 GMT
>> LOL!
>> Nice find! :-)
>
> I actually didn't know if I would. It's one (as in a scene from the
> series I fondly remembered) I remembered reading Athol's post and did a
> quick search on you chewb and it was there thankfully to link to.

Slightly ot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KAJWx-WWy0

I needed an aspirin after watching it from laughing. :-)

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atec 77 - 13 Jun 2007 05:22 GMT
>> Fit the most appropriate form of bullbar available for the vehicle,
>> and don't bother hanging crap off it.  I'm quite happy with the
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> roadkills do you see.  I've never managed to come close to hitting one
> at anything less than 160.   ;-)

Piss easy with a Franchi :)
John_H - 13 Jun 2007 06:54 GMT
>> Musta been a sick crow!
>>
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>>
>Piss easy with a Franchi :)

We always flush ours... in case they choke the wildlife!  :)

The old man had a Stevens, but he never used it on crows... only stuff
he wanted eat.  (I reckon I musta grown up in the only household in
the country where a formal table setting included a side plate for
pellets.)

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John McKenzie - 13 Jun 2007 07:06 GMT
> The old man had a Stevens, but he never used it on crows... only stuff
> he wanted eat.  (I reckon I musta grown up in the only household in
> the country where a formal table setting included a side plate for
> pellets.)

Don't bet on it :)

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atec 77 - 13 Jun 2007 11:07 GMT
>>> Musta been a sick crow!
>>>
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> the country where a formal table setting included a side plate for
> pellets.)

When I was a smaller tacker we used the same side plate , Mallards can
be very tastee with la-orange sauce .( wood ducks are )
 I remember going pig hunting around 10 or 11 years old and the first
time I whacked a big boar on a charge , loose bowls doesn't encompass
the description sufficiently  :) , still smoked the meat was pretty good
.(never shoot an animal you don't intend to have eaten )
Fraser Johnston - 14 Jun 2007 08:12 GMT
>>> Musta been a sick crow!
>>>
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> the country where a formal table setting included a side plate for
> pellets.)

Common occurance in the Johnston household.  Especially with duck and rabbit on
the menu.  Surprised we aren't all dead from lead poisoning.

Fraser
Kev - 16 Jun 2007 21:29 GMT
> What is the groups opinion experience with such devices ?
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Emus and camels just plain  dozey creatures and you just have to sit
> behind them until they decide /learn to get out of the way :)

just buy a truck and fit a f.cking big steel(not alloy) bullbar
then cruise along and ignore the thumps and bumps

Kev
pit - 16 Jun 2007 23:07 GMT
> > What is the groups opinion experience with such devices ?
>
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>
> Kev

Thanks for all the replies  ( still chuckling at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KAJWx-WWy0)
but think  will stay with the slow speeds and invest in a decent set
of air horns and an electric  loco horn

Oi vey 8600 KM under 6 weeks

but at over 100 K a year still no prangs in last 12 years
Kev - 24 Jun 2007 20:03 GMT
> What is the groups opinion experience with such devices ?
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Emus and camels just plain  dozey creatures and you just have to sit
> behind them until they decide /learn to get out of the way :)

you fit one
if you don't hit a roo
then it obviously works
if you do hit a roo
well it doesn't work and you can go get your $3.99 back from supacheap
where ya bought it

Kev
 
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