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http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=40824 On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:35:17 -0700, mmal380vrx PCM code reading says: > http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=40824 And even in the wolds safest rated car you still have a chance of getting killed.  SignatureRegards Dan On Jun 12, 11:35 am, mmal380...@hotmail.com wrote: > http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=40824 Isn't that in part because ANCAP didn't test the Commodore for side/ pole impact? Marco > On Jun 12, 11:35 am, mmal380...@hotmail.com wrote: > > >http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=40824 > > Isn't that in part because ANCAP didn't test the Commodore for side/ > pole impact? the reason journos have given it a hard time is because holden sold the VE as the safest thing this side of travelling in a bus. it was stupid to make all that fuss when they must have known it was just an average performer. most motoring journos would remember where their free lunches are coming from and stay shtoom, but a few have broken ranks and served it up to them. > the reason journos have given it a hard time is because holden sold > the VE as the safest thing this side of travelling in a bus. it was > stupid to make all that fuss when they must have known it was just an > average performer. The Herald's journos in particular have had something of a vendetta against the VE from day one, though, starting with stories about its weight and fuel consumption on the date it was launched, and generally taking any opportunity to bag it along the way. With all the safety option boxes ticked (that should be standard IMHO, but anyway) the VE would be a better than average performer. Certainly, my VE feels a hell of a lot more solid than the new Suzuki Swift I was a passenger in over the weekend, or the BF I was a passenger in yesterday. Marco >> the reason journos have given it a hard time is because holden sold >> the VE as the safest thing this side of travelling in a bus. it was [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >weight and fuel consumption on the date it was launched, and generally >taking any opportunity to bag it along the way. Hardly a vendetta. They just wrote the truth. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace, We've been expecting you. > Hardly a vendetta. > They just wrote the truth. How the f.ck would you know? :) -- Regards, Noddy. >> Hardly a vendetta. >> They just wrote the truth. > > How the f.ck would you know? :) Because the Mitsubishi 380 didn't get that much attention in the media. :-) SignatureRegards Dan >> Hardly a vendetta. >> They just wrote the truth. > > How the f.ck would you know? :) newsnewsnewsnewsnews >> a new shipment of *instant expert* has just arrived and is available >> now.........since the high demand of the last few days has exhausted [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> stuff is good !! *instant expert* try it today... see noddy for >> details...................j > -- > Regards, > Noddy. > Hardly a vendetta. > They just wrote the truth. No, it's a vendetta. They've taken every possible opportunity to have a shot at Holden lately, but barely given any good news about the company or its cars a run. For instance, they criticise Holden for building a heavier car and not offering a hybrid, but didn't note anywhere that V8 sales are at record highs. Marco >> Hardly a vendetta. >> They just wrote the truth. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > building a heavier car and not offering a hybrid, but didn't note > anywhere that V8 sales are at record highs. Yup oh well the media can like or lump when I order my VE SSV. :-) And yeah I probably plant a few tree's myself in my backyard to compensate the CO2 bullshit too. :-) SignatureRegards Dan > And yeah I probably plant a few tree's myself in my backyard to compensate > the CO2 bullshit too. :-) My backyard isn't big enough, so I just paid Greenfleet to do it for me. Marco >> And yeah I probably plant a few tree's myself in my backyard to compensate >> the CO2 bullshit too. :-) > > My backyard isn't big enough, so I just paid Greenfleet to do it for > me. Fair enough. :-) SignatureRegards Dan > With all the safety option boxes ticked (that should be standard IMHO, > but anyway) the VE would be a better than average performer. > Certainly, my VE feels a hell of a lot more solid than the new Suzuki > Swift I was a passenger in over the weekend, or the BF I was a > passenger in yesterday. The VE feels a f.ck load more solid than my VY2 but then again the VE sh.ts over my VY2 in almost every way. SignatureRegards Dan >The VE feels a f.ck load more solid than my VY2 but then again the VE >sh.ts over my VY2 in almost every way. That would be because the VY has now started to loosen up.....they built the VZ loose and the VE is still new. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace, We've been expecting you. > That would be because the VY has now started to loosen up.....they > built the VZ loose and the VE is still new. The VE though is designed to be solid, and I'm not talking about just the way it's assembled but also basic design features like how big the A and B pillars and the sills are, the thickness of the doors, that sort of thing. I thought my TS Astra was pretty solid, and it was for a small car of its era, but the VE is more solid again. Marco > > the reason journos have given it a hard time is because holden sold > > the VE as the safest thing this side of travelling in a bus. it was [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > weight and fuel consumption on the date it was launched, and generally > taking any opportunity to bag it along the way. holden admitted they got that wrong, through no fault of their own they didn't predict the rise in petrol prices that have taken place in the last few years. new model development is a long lead, long term commitment and it gradually became apparent holden were not on a winner with the big VE. you can bet your last dollar it would have been designed differently had they know in advance. draw your own conclusion on the Herald but it's possible they just identified that as the story to run with. everyone loves a tragedy more than good news, it's not necessarily anything personal against holden. > With all the safety option boxes ticked (that should be standard IMHO, > but anyway) the VE would be a better than average performer. > Certainly, my VE feels a hell of a lot more solid than the new Suzuki > Swift I was a passenger in over the weekend, or the BF I was a > passenger in yesterday. truth is, crash tests simulate hitting a similar mass vehicle. even without airbags or anything else, a VE would cream a Swift or any small car, no matter what either scored in crash tests. that's not in itself a testament to holden engineering though. On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 05:39:11 -0700, the fonz <arthur.fonzzarelli@gmail.com>, after considering some belly-button fluf, wrote: [...] > you can bet your last dollar it would have >been designed differently had they know in advance. Given that when they started, they were doing a new platform for global GM production, I suspect they wouldn't have done *anything* different - the Yanks and the towel-heads *want* big bastard cars, and don't seem to care too much how much fuel they use. Oz market is pissing in the ocean... Neil --- Neil Fisher / Bob Young Thundercords personal opinion unless otherwise noted. Looking for spark plug leads? Check out http://www.magnecor.com.au > Given that when they started, they were doing a new platform for > global GM production, I suspect they wouldn't have done *anything* > different - the Yanks and the towel-heads *want* big bastard cars, and > don't seem to care too much how much fuel they use. Oz market is > pissing in the ocean... Oh sure, that's a good point. But there are more options available in the development of a new model to address high fuel prices than just the engineering of the platform. Also, I believe the yanks are facing some of the same issues we are with higher fuel prices. I'm not sure if that was related to changes GM made in its plans for the global Zeta platform, which I think they were about to abandon at one point. > http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=40824 Where does it say it's poor? In this morning's Herald Sun's version of the story, it stated that the Commodore and Aurion were the only locally made cars that had a 4 star rating. -- Regards, Noddy. >> http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=40824 > >Where does it say it's poor? Poor as piss really... it's only on par with shitboxes like the Mitsubishi 380. Others do much better. :) http://www.howsafeisyourcar.com.au/_scripts/ancap_detail.php?page=1&VTYPE_ID=3&I ID=3928 >In this morning's Herald Sun's version of the story, it stated that the >Commodore and Aurion were the only locally made cars that had a 4 star >rating. They lied of course. SignatureJohn H > Poor as piss really... it's only on par with shitboxes like the > Mitsubishi 380. Others do much better. :) > > http://www.howsafeisyourcar.com.au/_scripts/ancap_detail.php?page=1&VTYPE_ID=3&I ID=3928 Hmmm.... On that basis I could either be in a Citroen C5 (a left hand drive one at that) and be protected up the wahzoo, or a Commodore and be a little less protected without looking like a complete tosser in driving a French car. Tough call :) -- Regards, Noddy. >> Poor as piss really... it's only on par with shitboxes like the >> Mitsubishi 380. Others do much better. :) [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Tough call :) They are not all that a bad car to drive I test drove a V6 Auto it wasn't too bad. Although the automatic transmission had a bad case of terretts syndrome or more like a confused pissed Scotsman. :-) SignatureRegards Dan >> Poor as piss really... it's only on par with shitboxes like the >> Mitsubishi 380. Others do much better. :) [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Tough call :) No need for a "tough" call just get the Liberty which scored 5 stars:-) Daryl The safer the car - the more risks the driver takes. Look at bloody Volvos for years perceived as the safest of cars, and in more bloody accidents per driver per kilometer worldwide than any other car. Studies have shown that drivers all have a personal level of risk they are happy to live with, change these parameters, and they change their behavior to bring their level of risk back within their bounds. So a safer car = less safe driving. and a less safe car = safer drving. if you don't believe me, take a new "safe car for a weekend, and get someone else to record the speed you drive at, etc. Then hire an old bomb with sh.t brakes and cross ply tires. Drive the same roads, and get someone to again record speeds etc. Safe cars - f.ck 'em - make 'em walk. If you want a SAFE car, don't take it out the driveway. Signaturecykolegist > The safer the car - the more risks the driver takes. > Look at bloody Volvos for years perceived as the safest of cars, and in > more bloody accidents per driver per kilometer worldwide than any other > car. Is that an actual real statistic, or one pulled from your arse? :) Volvo drivers *used* to have a reputation of being piss poor, and I personally think it was more because they were just naturally bad drivers rather than any deliberate action. I also think that most of them were largely aware that they *weren't* "good drivers" per se', and made the conscious choice to buy a car with a safety record that they thought would help them. This is different to some people who blindly put their faith in things like ABS or stability control, and take corners that they otherwise wouldn't on the assumption that the electronic gadgetry will prevent them from getting into strife. -- Regards, Noddy. Noddy Wrote: > Is that an actual real statistic, or one pulled from your arse? :). *"Actual real" as opposed to any other sort of real*? With English like that perhaps your from Sweden, and defending the poor little Volvo drivers? ..or perhaps the little red car is itself a Volvo hey Noddy? If so don't let Big Ears find out, he f***ing hates Volvo's they killed the Golliwog! -Volvo drivers *used* to have a reputation of being p*ss poor, and I personally think it was more because they were just naturally bad drivers rather than any deliberate action. I also think that most of them were largely aware that they *weren't* "good drivers" per se', and made the conscious choice to buy a car with a safety record that they thought would help them.- Having read some of your posts, it appears your use of "personally think" is an oxymoron. (hint: www.dictionary.com) One ponders your objective scientific methodology, in use when you personally surveyed "most" of the Volvo drivers and through rigorous data analysis were able to determine that this "most of them" were "largely aware" that they weren't good drivers. Perhaps at this point you could have suggested they undertake driver training, education being recognized as an acceptable way to increase skills. I am sure that Volvo would have been astounded to discover that only naturally bad drivers purchased Volvo. Makes you think that Volvo should have been asking their advertising companies some hard questions? -This is different to some people who blindly put their faith in things like ABS or stability control, and take corners that they otherwise wouldn't on the assumption that the electronic gadgetry will prevent them from getting into strife.- So carefully reading this paragraph, you are saying that "...-people who have faith in ...ABS... take corners they otherwise wouldn't.-.." I bet they are extremely glad they have ABS, or else according to you, without it they would never take a corner, and run off the edge of the road at the first bend. Perhaps an intelligent person would have said "take corners at a speed greater than they otherwise would WITHOUT the technology" But no mind, I am sure your audience doesn't think it is important, its such a small slip for someone as opinionated as yourself. Oh and in answer to your initial query. (thats the bit at the top) 1) Its not a statistic, no figures were used. 2) the information is sourced from, amongst others, insurance company actuarial tables, and research done at Curtin University (W.A), Sheffield University (U.K) and CalTech (U.S.) into vehicular accidents and causal (no not casual) relationships Signaturecykolegist Noddy wrote: [attribution reinserted] > With English like that perhaps your from Sweden, > and defending the poor little Volvo drivers? I have never seen Noddy defend Volvo drivers. Far from it. > ..or perhaps the little red car is itself a Volvo hey Noddy? > If so don't let Big Ears find out, he f***ing hates Volvo's they killed > the Golliwog! Wrong. Political correctness killed the golliwog. > Having read some of your posts, it appears your use of "personally > think" is an oxymoron. > (hint: www.dictionary.com) For a recent blow-in, you're asserting some rather strong opinion towards a long time regular here. Your own personal biases are very clearly visible in your behaviour. That is, of course, assuming that you aren't one of the existing lame trolls who has decided to hide behind the phorums interface. > One ponders your objective scientific methodology, > in use when you personally surveyed "most" of the Volvo drivers > and through rigorous data analysis were able to determine > that this "most of them" were "largely aware" that they > weren't good drivers. IOW, you disagree with his *opinion*. :-) > Perhaps an intelligent person would have said > "take corners at a speed greater than they otherwise would WITHOUT the > technology" > But no mind, I am sure your audience doesn't think it is important, > its such a small slip for someone as opinionated as yourself. I suspect that the majority of the audience understood the concept that he was presenting and didn't feel the need to be a total prat and pick on the phrasing (unless they felt like giving Noddy shite for the hell of it :-) ). > Oh and in answer to your initial query. (thats the bit at the top) > 1) Its not a statistic, no figures were used. > 2) the information is sourced from, amongst others, > insurance company actuarial tables, Biased and unreliable at best and blatant lies at worst. Heard an interesting definition today. I'm in an area that had a natural disaster (storm and flooding) in the past few days and will be getting more rain this coming weekend. Apparently the insurance companies cover storm damage but not flood damage. Do you know the difference? If it falls from the sky into your property, it's storm but if it runs across the ground and enters your property across a boundary, it's flood... There's a *lot* of damage that will be classed as flood, saving the insurance co's millions. > and research done at > Curtin University (W.A), > Sheffield University (U.K) and > CalTech (U.S.) > into vehicular accidents and causal (no not casual) relationships I trust that you understand the difference between contribution and cause? I can think of one or two people around here who have probably had casual relationships with vehicles, possibly including err "accidents". :-p SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. Athol Wrote: > > If so don't let Big Ears find out, he f***ing hates Volvo's they > killed [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > and perhaps the offspring from that unholy coupling also haunts these > forums... :-) Signaturecykolegist > Heard an interesting definition today. I'm in an area that had a > natural disaster (storm and flooding) in the past few days and will [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > classed as flood, saving the insurance co's millions. > Athol Many people in Brisbane learnt this expensive lesson way back in 1974. Storm and tempest doesn't cover flood. It doesn't cost any more to buy a house on top of a hill than one at the bottom. You pays your money and you takes your choice. Signatureregards, John Hudson Brisbane Australia 71 SI XJ6, 85 SIII XJ6 John Hudson blathered on in Re: ve rates poorly in safety: >> Heard an interesting definition today. I'm in an area that had a >> natural disaster (storm and flooding) in the past few days and will [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > top of a hill than one at the bottom. You pays your money and you takes your > choice. The Great JP Turcard - founder of the true geology - is suggesting, nay threatening, a rise in sea levels of 60 meters any time soon. Wouldn't at all surprise me if he's right, Dammit! Get out them waders, and might as well tear up those Insurance Shysters policies, people. Test: Go in to your Insurance Shysters marble encrusted tower, and ask to convert your policy to include inundation. Good luck! They read Turdcard, too;-) Maybe they'll play though - because they're already busy making sure they can claim that any such activity is an act of god rather than a cluster-f.ck caused by us and our feelthy society. And moving to higher ground surrupticiously. Add in the fact that if Turdcard is right, no bastard will pay out anyway- they'll claim bankrupcy in a heartbeat. Problem with Turdcard? - then there's precession theory - invented here in .aus, too. -- Toby > The Great JP Turcard - founder of the true geology - is suggesting, nay > threatening, a rise in sea levels of 60 meters any time soon. Hope he's right, my house in the outer west of Melb would increase in value by a massive amount because it would be a lot closer to the beach and I wouldn't have to tow my boat so far to go fishing:-) Daryl > Hope he's right, my house in the outer west of Melb would increase in > value by a massive amount because it would be a lot closer to the beach > and I wouldn't have to tow my boat so far to go fishing:-) Lol :) I'll be living on an island paradise :) -- Regards, Noddy. "cykolegist" <cykolegist.2s46yl@no-mx.phorums.com.au> wrote in message news:cykolegist.2s46yl@no- > ..or perhaps the little red car is itself a Volvo hey Noddy? > If so don't let Big Ears find out, he f***ing hates Volvo's they killed > the Golliwog! Oh boy! *Another* one who thinks that's an original line :) > Having read some of your posts, it appears your use of "personally > think" is an oxymoron. > (hint: www.dictionary.com) That's nice. > One ponders your objective scientific methodology, > in use when you personally surveyed "most" of the Volvo drivers > and through rigorous data analysis were able to determine > that this "most of them" were "largely aware" that they > weren't good drivers. Oh, I see. So, when *you* make generalisations they need no foundation at all, but if anyone *else* does then the subject needs to be thoroughly researched? One hand on your tool is plenty pal. Two is just looking like a moron for the sake of it. > Perhaps at this point you could have suggested they > undertake driver training, education being recognized > as an acceptable way to increase skills. Bit late now, don't you think? Volvo's period of "bad drivers" was quite some time ago. Most are probably dead or sh.tting their pajama's in a nursing home by now. > I am sure that Volvo would have been astounded to discover > that only naturally bad drivers purchased Volvo. I'm sure Volvo was *well* aware of it, to the point where they played on that fact in their advertising above any other. > Makes you think that Volvo should have been asking their > advertising companies some hard questions? Like "Why do these fuckwits by Volvo's?" for example? > So carefully reading this paragraph, you are saying that > "...-people who have faith in ...ABS... take corners they otherwise > wouldn't.-.." How many times did you have to carefully read that before you got it? > I bet they are extremely glad they have ABS, or else according to you, > without it they would never take a corner, and run off the edge of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > "take corners at a speed greater than they otherwise would WITHOUT the > technology" Perhaps, but the very subject had been discussed here long before you blew in where one poster in particular freely admitted to driving in a manner that he wouldn't think of doing in a non ABS equipped car. The commical part of it all was the fact that he had no idea if the ABS was doing anything to help him or not, other than boost his confidence to a level that make fuckwit driving behaviour acceptable to him. > But no mind, I am sure your audience doesn't think it is important, > its such a small slip for someone as opinionated as yourself. I'm sure my "audience", such as it is, couldn't give a flying f.ck about anything I say to be honest. Unlike your good self. > Oh and in answer to your initial query. (thats the bit at the top) > > 1) Its not a statistic, no figures were used. So you pulled it out of your arse then, for the sake of it I presume. Do you feel like a f.cking imbecile now for giving me a drubbing for doing the same thing, or are you that retarded that you see a difference? > 2) the information is sourced from, amongst others, > insurance company actuarial tables, and research done at > Curtin University (W.A), > Sheffield University (U.K) and > CalTech (U.S.) > into vehicular accidents and causal (no not casual) relationships I'm sorry, what info was that? I thought you were just some fucktard talking sh.t. -- Regards, Noddy. > "cykolegist" <cykolegist.2s46yl@no-mx.phorums.com.au> wrote in message > news:cykolegist.2s46yl@no- [quoted text clipped - 95 lines] > > I thought you were just some fucktard talking sh.t. newsnewsnewsnewsnews >> a new shipment of *instant expert* has just arrived and is available >> now.........since the high demand of the last few days has exhausted [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> stuff is good !! *instant expert* try it today... see noddy for >> details...................j > -- > Regards, > Noddy. jonz Wrote: > > "cykolegist" <cykolegist.2s46yl@no-mx.phorums.com.au> wrote in > message [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > killed > >> the Golliwog! > Oh boy! *Another* one who thinks that's an original line :) Ah some-one who doesn't understand satire, Does your red neck match your little red car? "cykolegist" <cykolegist.2s7dbt@no-mx.phorums.com.au> wrote in message news:cykolegist.2s7dbt@no- > Ah some-one who doesn't understand satire, > Does your red neck match your little red car? Lol :) Get the f.ck over yourself you hayseed. Making feeble attempts at "Noddy" humor is about as original and funny as people telling Julia Gillard that they really like her hair. -- Regards, Noddy. > "cykolegist" <cykolegist.2s46yl@no-mx.phorums.com.au> wrote in message > news:cykolegist.2s46yl@no- [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Oh boy! *Another* one who thinks that's an original line :) who cares, love the mental picture BwaaaHaaaaaHaaa >> Having read some of your posts, it appears your use of "personally >> think" is an oxymoron. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > So, when *you* make generalisations they need no foundation at all, but if > anyone *else* does then the subject needs to be thoroughly researched? you sure got his measure.............bet it didnt take long either :^))) > One hand on your tool is plenty pal. Two is just looking like a moron for > the sake of it. hehe, bet you wish you could manage two fingers, let alone two hands...................... >> Perhaps at this point you could have suggested they >> undertake driver training, education being recognized [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >> "take corners at a speed greater than they otherwise would WITHOUT the >> technology" yeah, but this is poddy expect f.ck all, and you wont be dissapointed > Perhaps, but the very subject had been discussed here long before you blew > in where one poster in particular freely admitted to driving in a manner [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> But no mind, I am sure your audience doesn't think it is important, >> its such a small slip for someone as opinionated as yourself. yeah, if you cant dazzle them with brilliance,,,,,,,,,,,,baffle em with bullshit eh poddy er noddy. > I'm sure my "audience", such as it is, couldn't give a flying f.ck about > anything I say to be honest. not if they had any sense.............................. > Unlike your good self. > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Im just some fucktard talking sh.t. yep, you got that right.......bye....... > -- > Regards, > Noddy. > The safer the car - the more risks the driver takes. > Look at bloody Volvos for years perceived as the safest of cars, and in > more bloody accidents per driver per kilometer worldwide than any other > car. Were these involvement rates corrected against the number of each make and model produced, or are you saying that the crash involvement was directly in proportion to the massive numbers of Volvos sold worldwide, as opposed to other manufacturers who frequently sell models in more limited geographical areas? SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. Athol Wrote: > > The safer the car - the more risks the driver takes. > > Look at bloody Volvos for years perceived as the safest of cars, and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Were these involvement rates corrected against the number of each make > and model produced, YES or are you saying that the crash involvement was directly in proportion to the massive numbers of Volvos sold worldwide, as opposed to other manufacturers who frequently sell models in more limited geographical areas? NO Signaturecykolegist >> Poor as piss really... it's only on par with shitboxes like the >> Mitsubishi 380. Others do much better. :) [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Tough call :) That's where the safety summary in my 'dog & lemon guide' comes in handy! :) "You should be aware that in actual road smashes the driver of a smaller (lighter) car is far more likely to die than the driver of the larger (heavier) vehicle it collides with. (A Daewoo Matiz weighs about 725kg and a Range Rover weighs about 2500kg. This vehicle <Citroen C5> weighs about 1300 - 1500kg, depending on the model.)" No decision at all -- take the Range Rover. ;-) (Reliabilty is also better -- dodgy vs appalling.) SignatureJohn H > No decision at all -- take the Range Rover. ;-) I'll settle for the Cherokee. Around a tonne lighter, but it's all steel "attitide adjuster" makes up for that :) -- Regards, Noddy. > http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=40824 4 stars, same as the 380. In the pedestrian tests the 380 rates an apalling 1 star. Unforgivable. On Jun 12, 11:35 am, mmal380...@hotmail.com wrote: > http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=40824 So what did the 380 rate? Oh that is right less than the Aurion!!!!!! http://www.mynrma.com.au/cps/rde/xchg/mynrma/hs.xsl/mitsubishi_380_ancap_2006.ht m?cpssessionid=SID-3F5768EC-B1B96CA5 > On Jun 12, 11:35 am, mmal380...@hotmail.com wrote: >> http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=40824 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > http://www.mynrma.com.au/cps/rde/xchg/mynrma/hs.xsl/mitsubishi_380_anca > p_2006.htm?cpssessionid=SID-3F5768EC-B1B96CA5 You know the two MMAL idiots should get a room, between the two they may muster enough brain power to find out how to open the door :-) Once the door is open, they will be surprised to discover that MMAL actually builds crap cars. >> On Jun 12, 11:35 am, mmal380...@hotmail.com wrote: >>> http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=40824 [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Once the door is open, they will be surprised to discover that MMAL > actually builds crap cars. Actually they don't build crap cars, they build cars that nobody wants. There is a difference. > Actually they don't build crap cars, they build cars that nobody wants. > > There is a difference. There is indeed, but sadly they may as well be the same for all the difference it makes to the company. The fact that Camry's sell in large numbers while MMAL can hardly give 380's away speaks volumes about the average consumer's opinion of MMAL. -- Regards, Noddy. >>> On Jun 12, 11:35 am, mmal380...@hotmail.com wrote: >>>> http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=40824 [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > There is a difference. Oh really! I should send you a Magna or three, low miles than most brands, with smoke pooring out the rear.. Yes I know your "Colt" is fantastic :-) >>>> On Jun 12, 11:35 am, mmal380...@hotmail.com wrote: >>>>> http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=40824 [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Yes I know your "Colt" is fantastic :-) How long ago did you own a Magna? No one in their right mind could argue that the early ones or any of their 4cyl models were any good but there is very little mechanically wrong with the V6 Magnas. The styling of the last Magna didn't help their image and you either love or hate the 380's styling but there is nothing to suggest that its quality or reliability is any better or worse than anything else made locally. Daryl >>>>> On Jun 12, 11:35 am, mmal380...@hotmail.com wrote: >>>>>> http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=40824 [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Daryl Only ever had the one, Daryl. A 1985, 5 speed, 4 cyl, heap of sh.t! I have also seen V6's beltching bleu smoke. Would not have one if it was given to me. I think I'd prefer to be seen in a Volvo :-) > I think I'd prefer to be seen in a Volvo :-) Oi. Being seen in the *right* Volvo can be a positive thing. :-) SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. Athol <me@privacy.net> wrote in news:1181798068.59211 @idlwebserver.idl.com.au: >> I think I'd prefer to be seen in a Volvo :-) > > Oi. Being seen in the *right* Volvo can be a positive thing. :-) Is this the right one? http://www.philly2hoboken.com/blog/archives/images/whatthe.jpg SignatureCatharticF1 "Formula 1 - Visible McLaren cheating here now." > Athol <me@privacy.net> wrote in news:1181798068.59211 > @idlwebserver.idl.com.au: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > http://www.philly2hoboken.com/blog/archives/images/whatthe.jpg I think that one could mean trouble, especially if it's the "Wife's" car :-) > I think that one could mean trouble, especially if it's the "Wife's" car > :-) And the bird acting as the bonnet emblem looks like she has arms like a Gorilla :) -- Regards, Noddy. >> I think that one could mean trouble, especially if it's the "Wife's" car >> :-) > >And the bird acting as the bonnet emblem looks like she has arms like a >Gorilla :) Odd shaped feet as well! :) > Odd shaped feet as well! :) Lol :) It'd be a pretty good squat. The guy must have been pretty tall :) -- Regards, Noddy. > Athol <me@privacy.net> wrote in news:1181798068.59211 > @idlwebserver.idl.com.au: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > http://www.philly2hoboken.com/blog/archives/images/whatthe.jpg There are some nice Volvo's out there: http://theducks.org/pictures/desert-volvo.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/OV4_1.JPG/757px- OV4_1.JPG http://www.monstertrucks-uk.com/bigswede.jpg Athol <me@privacy.net> wrote in news:1181798068.59211 @idlwebserver.idl.com.au: >> I think I'd prefer to be seen in a Volvo :-) > > Oi. Being seen in the *right* Volvo can be a positive thing. :-) :-) >> I think I'd prefer to be seen in a Volvo :-) > > Oi. Being seen in the *right* Volvo can be a positive thing. :-) Id happily drive an 850R wagon every day. >> I think I'd prefer to be seen in a Volvo :-) > > Oi. Being seen in the *right* Volvo can be a positive thing. :-) Gawd, I hope your mrs isn't as ugly as her car. I'd rather one of these. http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/features/classic-cars-volvo-p1800/pictures1/ regards, Huddo > Only ever had the one, Daryl. > A 1985, 5 speed, 4 cyl, heap of sh.t! > I have also seen V6's beltching bleu smoke. > > Would not have one if it was given to me. > I think I'd prefer to be seen in a Volvo :-) Only a dickhead would buy a Magna, eh, Ron? Ron can't read this 'cos I'm on his 'plonk list'. >> On Jun 12, 11:35 am, mmal380...@hotmail.com wrote: >>> http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=40824 [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Once the door is open, they will be surprised to discover that MMAL > actually builds crap cars. SOME crap cars. I'd take an EVO9 if offered at the right price. |
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