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What's the opinion on the price hike in gas conversions? Before the government rebates came in the price was $2100 for a VT Commodore and now it is nearly $5000. So are the installers just gobbling up the rebates or is there something I am missing? > What's the opinion on the price hike in gas conversions? Before the > government rebates came in the price was $2100 for a VT Commodore and > now it is nearly $5000. So are the installers just gobbling up the > rebates or is there something I am missing? You're not missing anything. Installers have seen the rebate offer as nothing more than an a *real* easy way to double the price of the average installation overnight. -- Regards, Noddy. > > What's the opinion on the price hike in gas conversions? Before the > > government rebates came in the price was $2100 for a VT Commodore and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Regards, > Noddy. Ok so I'm not as thought as I dumb I was then!!!! >Ok so I'm not as thought as I dumb I was then!!!! Nah...just can't put a sentence together........ Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace, We've been expecting you. > "Shepo" <s...@conceptual.net.au> wrote in message > Installers have seen the rebate offer as nothing more than an a *real* easy > way to double the price of the average installation overnight. isn't it the kit suppliers more than the installers? i heard something along those lines, it's probably both. > > "Shepo" <s...@conceptual.net.au> wrote in message > > Installers have seen the rebate offer as nothing more than an a *real* easy [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > i heard something along those lines, it's probably both. Someone is still cashing in it doesn't matter who it is! I'm looking at the end price rise. > Someone is still cashing in it doesn't matter who it is! I'm looking > at the end price rise. they'd have been morons not to. gas kits are worth $x amount to consumers, based on the difference in price between petrol and LPG. if govt. reduces the price by $y in subsidies, its common sense sellers will increase them by $y and pocket the difference. if you're waiting for the catch, there isn't one. the scheme was introduced by dimwit morons. "the fonz" <arthur.fonzzarelli@gmail.com> wrote in message > isn't it the kit suppliers more than the installers? Everyone's getting in for their chop. Suppliers watched the installers whack their prices up and wanted a piece of the action, so the price of lpg equipment has gone up cutting back some of the installer's extra profit margin. The lpg rebate has helped everyone *but* the end user. -- Regards, Noddy. > "the fonz" <arthur.fonzzare...@gmail.com> wrote in message > > isn't it the kit suppliers more than the installers? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Regards, > Noddy. Farken ripoffen arps hells > "the fonz" <arthur.fonzzarelli@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > The lpg rebate has helped everyone *but* the end user. Stupid government and their harebrained schemes. Just oh so f.cking typical. >> The lpg rebate has helped everyone *but* the end user. > > Stupid government and their harebrained schemes. > > Just oh so f.cking typical. Pretty much was thinking on getting my Rodeo and the other halfs Camry V6 on LPG but typically my brain goes don't be f.cking nuts the rebate is nothing but a con. :-)  SignatureRegards Dan >The lpg rebate has helped everyone *but* the end user. Same trick as they pulled with house buying grants! It's all a matter of who the *real* beneficiaries are most likely to vote for. :) SignatureJohn H > Same trick as they pulled with house buying grants! It's all a matter > of who the *real* beneficiaries are most likely to vote for. :) Pretty much :) -- Regards, Noddy. > "the fonz" <arthur.fonzzarelli@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Regards, > Noddy. Not sure if everyone caught the news item, but this is a bit off topic but, When Howard announced that there would be a doubling of the solar power ebate in the new budget, did anyone notice how quick the electricity supply company spokesman announced that electricity charges would be increased? Looking at the chart, it is almost 25% in some cases Now, there is incentive shown at its best by the industry same as with the gas installations rebates offered and the price doubles or more Used to be able to get a gas installation for around $1500 - $2000, then the rebate offer comes in and my Falcon V8 is now $5500 > Not sure if everyone caught the news item, but this is a bit off topic > but, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > announced that electricity charges would be increased? > Looking at the chart, it is almost 25% in some cases More than that in some. People were complaining on talkback radio last week that their electricity bills had gone up by some astronomical amount, including one bloke who claimed his bill had gone from a bit over 300 bucks to 700 for the same average usage and all the power company could offer was that they were re-evaluating their service to certain areas and adjusting as required. Nice. -- Regards, Noddy. >>Not sure if everyone caught the news item, but this is a bit off topic >>but, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Regards, > Noddy. Pistol Pete in QLD announced tha the cost of power in QLD would rise by 10% this is to help out the privitisation of QLD's electricity I get a letter from a couple of privet companies claiming the if I join up with them I'll save 10% on my power bill nice one other bit that he also slipped in was part of the 10% increase was to help the private companies with the cost of telemarketing, and these comanies telemarketing will bypass the "don't call" system they just introduced Kev > The lpg rebate has helped everyone *but* the end user. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Subsidies never work. -- The.socialists.should.have.learned.this.painful.lesson.by.now > What's the opinion on the price hike in gas conversions? Before the > government rebates came in the price was $2100 for a VT Commodore and > now it is nearly $5000. So are the installers just gobbling up the > rebates or is there something I am missing? In 2000, it cost $1650 for a Ford V8. Welcome to the US inspired utopian state, where success is measured by income. Jason >> What's the opinion on the price hike in gas conversions? Before the >> government rebates came in the price was $2100 for a VT Commodore and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Jason It's the same with rainwater tanks. I had a 5,000 litre tank installed some 18months ago for less than $1,000 with no rebate, now the same tank today will cost me $2,300 less the $1,000 gov rebate. Something wrong somewhere. DAVO Just got gas on my tj magna.....great...$2600.....$2000 back ... not bad value..$600 to go COOOOL FUEL .....am in Illawarra...Good on ya little Johnny ! >>> What's the opinion on the price hike in gas conversions? Before the >>> government rebates came in the price was $2100 for a VT Commodore and [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >DAVO > Just got gas on my tj magna.....great...$2600.....$2000 back ... > not bad value..$600 to go COOOOL FUEL .....am in Illawarra...Good on > ya little Johnny ! Well thats not surprising. The Briggs and Stratton conversion units aren't worth $2600. You got ripped! Jason > It's the same with rainwater tanks. I had a 5,000 litre tank installed > some 18months ago for less than $1,000 with no rebate, now the same tank > today will cost me $2,300 less the $1,000 gov rebate. Something wrong > somewhere. Plus that 1000 buck rebate will be given back :) I don't know about your part of the country, but in Victoria rainwater tank rebates are handled by your local council, and most of the Victorian councils have devised a scheme where they'll give you the tank rebate in one hand, and then take it off you with the other and then some by whacking a permanent "bulk water storage fee" onto your rates of around 120 bucks a year. That means that the average Victorian household that fits a 1000 litre water tank will see their 150 buck (on average rebate paid back almost in full on the following rate assessment notice, and then every year after that for as long as they have the thing :) -- Regards, Noddy. > I don't know about your part of the country, but in Victoria rainwater tank > rebates are handled by your local council, and most of the Victorian > councils have devised a scheme where they'll give you the tank rebate in one > hand, and then take it off you with the other and then some by whacking a > permanent "bulk water storage fee" onto your rates of around 120 bucks a > year. > That means that the average Victorian household that fits a 1000 litre water > tank will see their 150 buck (on average rebate paid back almost in full on > the following rate assessment notice, and then every year after that for as > long as they have the thing :) So you're better off just paying for the thing outright and not claiming it. If they don't know it's there... SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. > > I don't know about your part of the country, but in Victoria rainwater tank > > rebates are handled by your local council, and most of the Victorian [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > If they don't know it's there... Damn right. I refuse to pay a tax on what falls from the sky for free. I can't think of anything more "mafia" than that - "that rain that just fell out of the sky... it's ours. You want it, you gotta pay." <- if that line came from Fat Tony on the Simpsons, it'd be funny. But somehow it's real. > Damn right. I refuse to pay a tax on what falls from the sky for free. > I can't think of anything more "mafia" than that - "that rain that > just fell out of the sky... it's ours. You want it, you gotta pay." <- > if that line came from Fat Tony on the Simpsons, it'd be funny. But > somehow it's real. Makes you want to look at the geology to see if you can create a cave under your property as a reservoir such that the hole is never open for detection by aerial reconnisance. :-) SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. > Makes you want to look at the geology to see if you can create a cave > under your property as a reservoir such that the hole is never open > for detection by aerial reconnisance. :-) There's a lot of people in my area doing something like that already :) Where I live there is a *massive* ground water table, and bores have been popular here for decades with a great many houses having had them for years. There's been one on my property for around 30 years, but it was largely unused for quite a while as tapwater was cheap and plentiful. I recommissioned the bore not long ago when the water restrictions came in as I wanted to keep watering the front lawn that cost me a couple of grand to get laid about 12 months before we suddenly couldn't water them, and looked into paying the permit fee for owning a bore as I thought if I was going to put signs up to let people know I was using bore water I might as well have the ticket. That idea got old *real* quick. It seems that the water authority responsible for bores in Melbourne took it upon themselves to raise the bore permit fee from the reasonable 120 buck once off charge it had been for quite some time to a massive 540 bucks for the permit followed by an annual "continuance" fee of around a hundred bucks. On top of this there has been talk by the local authority that bore water will soon be metered and charged, at a rate somewhat less than tapwater but charged for just the same. It was about at this time that I noticed all the "Bore Water" signs people in my area had in their front gardens suddenly disappear :) -- Regards, Noddy. > Makes you want to look at the geology to see if you can create a cave > under your property as a reservoir such that the hole is never open > for detection by aerial reconnisance. :-) Our weekender is the site of a former hard rock tin mine. Paid for a local with a D8 to re-profile the slope a trifle so that natural runoff now goes into mine. If the survey of the mine is accurate (1921) we have around 20,000,000 litres down there. Shame that as a former tin mine there is a small problem with heavy metal contamination and just a touch of arsenic and cyanide. Still the trees grow nicely on it even if i won't drink it. Our next door neighbour (whom i admit I stole the idea of sing the old mine as a water reseviour from) does, and he is still alive - still he is crazy enough to live their full time so maybe he isn't getting off scott free. -- > If the survey of the mine is accurate (1921) we have around 20,000,000 > litres down there. Shame that as a former tin mine there is a small > problem with heavy metal contamination and just a touch of arsenic and > cyanide. Still the trees grow nicely on it even if i won't drink it. Park City in the US is built around a bunch of old mines, and there's a vast amount of water in the minesshafts, as they're massive and go for miles. This is the water supply for the city, and there's more than just a touch of arsenic! Some of the old miners still live there and reckon it didn't hurt them, but there's some on-going controversy. It being the US, they'll keep using it until something catastrophic happens, I imagine. SignatureDon't try to reply to my email addy: I'm borrowing that of the latest scammer/spammer >> If the survey of the mine is accurate (1921) we have around 20,000,000 >> litres down there. Shame that as a former tin mine there is a small [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > It being the US, they'll keep using it until something catastrophic happens, > I imagine. You can remove heavy metals from water you know. Just filter it through a sand depth filter filled with scrap iron, the metals plate out on the iron and leave clean water. Look up the work that's been done for cheap filters for Bangladesh (probably, one of those countries) that have just this problem. > So you're better off just paying for the thing outright and not claiming > it. > > If they don't know it's there... Exactly. -- Regards, Noddy. >> So you're better off just paying for the thing outright and not claiming >> it. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Regards, > Noddy. Wasn't there also an inspection fee if you have the water tank hooked up to your house? And wasn't it a yearly inspection at $125 or something? Damn govco. Let's send them all to Iraq to show the towelheads how to run a civilized country. > What's the opinion on the price hike in gas conversions? Before the > government rebates came in the price was $2100 for a VT Commodore and > now it is nearly $5000. So are the installers just gobbling up the > rebates or is there something I am missing? Lets see Govt gives rebates/incentives for Heath insurance, Heath Insurance premiums rise by that same amount Govt give rebates/incentive for child care child care cost rises the same amount Govt gives fuel rebates on diesel fuel diesel fuel price rises the same amount Govt give rebates on LPG installs, LPG installs rise by the same amount QLD Govt gives rebates for water tanks, price of water tanks rises the same amount nahh it's just your imagination Kev Kev blathered on in Re: Gas conversion?: >> What's the opinion on the price hike in gas conversions? Before the >> government rebates came in the price was $2100 for a VT Commodore and [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Kev Interesting stuff - because it proves beyond doubt that at the very least the stuff you mentioned is priced at exactly what the market will stand. In effect there is absolutely no relationship between price to the consumer and actual cost of provision of the article, other than the consumers willingness to pay at a particular price point. -- Toby > Interesting stuff - because it proves beyond doubt that at the very > least the stuff you mentioned is priced at exactly what the market will > stand. > In effect there is absolutely no relationship between price to the > consumer and actual cost of provision of the article, other than the > consumers willingness to pay at a particular price point. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ In short, it's 'THE LAW OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND.' -- The.treatise.you.immensely.despise. Just JT blathered on in Re: Gas conversion?: >> Interesting stuff - because it proves beyond doubt that at the very >> least the stuff you mentioned is priced at exactly what the market will [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > In short, it's 'THE LAW OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND.' Duh... You need to put a USEFUL IDIOT badge on your Cat cap - right beside the older, tarnished one that says FUCKWIT. -- Toby >>> Interesting stuff - because it proves beyond doubt that at the very >>> least the stuff you mentioned is priced at exactly what the market will [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > You need to put a USEFUL IDIOT badge on your Cat cap - right beside the > older, tarnished one that says FUCKWIT. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You need to make up your mind, Toby. Do you agree or not with the treatise? Hurling boring insults doesn't change the facts. -- You.are.the.idiot.for.not.accepting.the.treatise. Just JT blathered on in Make up your mind, Toby (Re: Gas conversion?): >>>> Interesting stuff - because it proves beyond doubt that at the very >>>> least the stuff you mentioned is priced at exactly what the market will [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Hurling boring insults doesn't change the facts. OK, I'll play a little longer, because truth be known I have little better to do at the moment than torment you. Boring insults? Nah. Simply descriptive, is all. As always, helping people see reality. A reality which does not require camouflage by some w.nk product of charlatan imbeciles calling themselves economists. The DISGUSTING phrase you champion is not a law. It's a joke, a scam, and an utterly disingenuous excuse for pillaging the less fortunate on the planet. Deny that, arsehat, and prove to us beyond any doubt that you thoroughly deserve that new badge. And you might as well polish up the old one, just for fun. Oh, and you're still a feelthy communist. As well. -- Toby >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> You need to make up your mind, Toby. Do you agree or not with the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > It's a joke, a scam, and an utterly disingenuous excuse for pillaging > the less fortunate on the planet. ~~~~~~~~~~~~` Ok, I understand now. You are AGAINST and DISAGREE with FREE ENTERPRISE. In other words, you are a socialist. Fine. Thanks for clarifying. We can agree to disagree on this point. > Deny that, arsehat, and prove to us beyond any doubt that you > thoroughly deserve that new badge. > And you might as well polish up the old one, just for fun. > > Oh, and you're still a feelthy communist. > As well. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Actually, it is you who is a COMMUNIST. If you disagree with FREE ENTERPRISE then you are the COMMUNIST. -- You.should.move.to.Cuba.or.North.Korea.where.standard.of.living.is.higher.NOT Just JT blathered on in Re: Make up your mind, Toby: >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> You need to make up your mind, Toby. Do you agree or not with the [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Actually, it is you who is a COMMUNIST. If you disagree with FREE ENTERPRISE > then you are the COMMUNIST. This is hilarious!!! It's not raining. Therefore it's raining. Try again, arsehat..... -- Toby after you with the sniper rifle. 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