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http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/another-marque-on-the-block/2007/06/12/11814 14275348.html I wonder how long until Ford sells Volvo and Mazda.  SignatureRegards Dan > http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/another-marque-on-the-block/2007/06 > /12/1181414275348.html > > I wonder how long until Ford sells Volvo and Mazda. No surprise, Dan. The Car Union has America by the balls. I've heard some dreadfull stories about the major car companies keeping workers on the payrole, even though they don't have jobs for them. Their overheads are now horrendous.. >> http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/another-marque-on-the-block/2007/06 >> /12/1181414275348.html [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > workers on the payrole, even though they don't have jobs for them. > Their overheads are now horrendous.. Bit more: I am an Australian working in the US and I see how the unions can destroy companies. When you look at the Automotive industry here you have Unions destroying the big companies like ford and GM. In the US because of the union you have a guy that for example puts on hub caps. But if the line he works on they stop production, they cant just sack him cause they have no work. He just sits at home and does nothing. They arent allowed to reskill him to put seats in for example as that is against union rules as that is someone elses job. He still sits at home and gets his annual pay rises. You have people that have no job and are paid $100,000 a year to do nothing and the company cant do anything about it. No company can support that sort of overhead. The same problem exists in the Aerospace industry and many other industries in the US. If the unions are allowed to contiune their way in Australia you will have the same problem they have in the US. Tthe result will be the same as it is here in the US. They just close down the US operations and move to Mexico. Posted by: Shane of Los Angeles >>> http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/another-marque-on-the- > block/2007/06 [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > They just close down the US operations and move to Mexico. > Posted by: Shane of Los Angeles Whoever wrote has NFI about the Australian car industry, no such problem exists or is ever likely to. In the last 20 yrs industrial action in our car industry has been very minimal, in the 8 yrs I delivered to Toyota I can only recall a couple of days being lost to strikes. Daryl >>> http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/another-marque-on-the- > block/2007/06 [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > They just close down the US operations and move to Mexico. > Posted by: Shane of Los Angeles Shane of Los Angeles? Which Young Liberal branch does he belong to? $100,000 a year to work in a sweatshop car plant? You have be kidding.. US auto unions are 'tame cats', in bed with the employers. No wonder you bought a hiclone. huddo >>>> http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/another-marque-on-the- >> block/2007/06 [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > No wonder you bought a hiclone. > huddo Hudson, I read it on the news! I have no idea what his political views are. Stick it up your arse. "Plonk" Ron blathered on in Re: Ford considering selling Jaguar and Land Rover: >>> http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/another-marque-on-the- > block/2007/06 [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > They just close down the US operations and move to Mexico. > Posted by: Shane of Los Angeles f.ck a duck, Ron- you've accidentally clipped off the : "Please send this to everybody you know" bullshit at the end of the piece of sh.t... Just for starters, a US production line worker getting 100,000 a year ... I'd like to see that. And it ain't the unions that shift the company production to places with CHEEP Labour, you dawk. Here's how it works. - just the briefest of outlines, so you don't deshause youresle feading lots and lots of words. You plonk and agent provacateur in the labour force. Else you buy one. They're quite cheap - just a little more expensive than an ordinary worker. Hell, they might be the same price - in that case, they're called Useful idiots. Make damm sure they get elected. Of course that's piss easy - arrange for that person to get a couple of 'concessions' from management - instant hero. Get the AP to gee up the troops making unreasonable demands etc. Have them play the demarcation game which always works, because union members are trusting enough, and often stupid enough, to think that when they do their jobbies well, they're good little people and mistakenly they believe they 'matter when they do that. This plays right into the hands of AP's running the demarcation racket. Again piss easy. Bitch about the unreasonable demands. Close down production from time to time, using artificially induced (usually by sqeezing subbies to the max) shortages etc, and occasionally as an example to the others, cutting the odd dealers throat. There's also the gag of reducing dealers hearroom by cutting the Rebate Scam money and yes, sales do drop. Get your mates in the banking sector to be hesitant in loan approvals for cars, citing deterioration of market values of vehicles due cheap imports etc etc.. In the meantime, buy up shares in overseas manufacturers, so when your set-piece is fully in place, you get to earn money off the imports-notionally your competition! Then, close down local production, crying poor and spend billions off-shore where the Cheep Labour is. sh.t, then you can get the "Shanes of Los Angeles" to post complete sh.t on the internet to pull the publicity the way it needs to go - hard at the unions. Natch, other countries robber-barons can get to benefit from the scams. Trouble is, the robber barons are the same lot. But that's alright, Ron - PC Barnham summed it up well enough-there's one born every minute. Remember? He ran a circus. So, you have company. Lots of it. -- Toby > Ron blathered on in Re: Ford considering selling Jaguar and Land > Rover: [quoted text clipped - 89 lines] > > Toby Interesting story, Toby. I take it you have worked in America and know exactly how the unions run the county? Ron Ron blathered on in Re: Ford considering selling Jaguar and Land Rover: >>> http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/another-marque-on-the- > block/2007/06 [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > They just close down the US operations and move to Mexico. > Posted by: Shane of Los Angeles f.ck a duck, Ron- you've accidentally clipped off the : "Please send this to everybody you know" bullshit at the end of the piece of sh.t... Just for starters, a US production line worker getting 100,000 a year ... I'd like to see that. And it ain't the unions that shift the company production to places with CHEEP Labour, you dawk. Here's how it works. - just the briefest of outlines, so you don't deshaust your self reading lots and lots of words. You plonk and agent provacateur in the labour force. Else you buy one. They're quite cheap - just a little more expensive than an ordinary worker. Hell, they might be the same price - in that case, they're called Useful idiots. Make damm sure they get elected. Of course that's piss easy - arrange for that person to get a couple of 'concessions' from management - instant hero. Get the AP to gee up the troops making unreasonable demands etc. Have them play the demarcation game which always works, because union members are trusting enough, and often stupid enough, to think that when they do their jobbies well, they're good little people and mistakenly they believe they 'matter when they do that. This plays right into the hands of AP's running the demarcation racket. Again piss easy. Bitch about the unreasonable demands. Close down production from time to time, using artificially induced (usually by squeezing subbies to the max) shortages etc, and occasionally as an example to the others, cutting the odd dealers throat. There's also the gag of reducing dealers headroom by cutting the Rebate Scam money and yes, sales do drop. Get your mates in the banking sector to be hesitant in loan approvals for cars, citing deterioration of market values of vehicles due cheap imports etc etc.. In the meantime, buy up shares in overseas manufacturers, so when your set-piece is fully in place, you get to earn money off the imports-notionally your competition! Then, close down local production, crying poor and spend billions off-shore where the Cheep Labour is. sh.t, then you can get the "Shanes of Los Angeles" to post complete sh.t on the internet to pull the publicity the way it needs to go - hard at the unions. Natch, other countries robber-barons can get to benefit from the scams. Trouble is, the robber barons are the same lot. But that's alright, Ron - PC Barnham summed it up well enough-there's one born every minute. Remember? He ran a circus. So, you have company. Lots of it. -- Toby > Ron blathered on in Re: Ford considering selling Jaguar and Land Rover: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Toby G'day Toby, Welcome to Ron's plonk file :-). Ron posted that he read it in the paper. The Courier-Mail no doubt. So it must be true. rgds, huddo >> Ron blathered on in Re: Ford considering selling Jaguar and Land >> Rover: But that's alright, Ron - PC Barnham summed it up well [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Welcome to Ron's plonk file :-). Ron posted that he read it in the > paper. The Courier-Mail no doubt. So it must be true. Good points by Toby. In the US, unions are coupled with communists, in being one step worse than pedophiles. The mere words evoke a pavlovian response from most Americans. Communist. BING! EVIL! Union. EVIL! No factory or auto worker gets anything close to 100k. Pay there for normal people is 2nd world level. But much energy is expended in keeping the Unions EVIL! and marginalising them. Yanks do not take collective action regarding employment. The Boss/Big Guy must be supported at all costs. SignatureDon't try to reply to my email addy: I'm borrowing that of the latest scammer/spammer John Hudson blathered on in Re: Ford considering selling Jaguar and Land Rover: >> Ron blathered on in Re: Ford considering selling Jaguar and Land Rover: >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > rgds, > huddo He didn't read it on the news, at all - unless someone's actually had the gall to quote the rubbish he posted. It's actually Comment 27 of 52 (To Friday evening) of a sort of on-line debate following a Daily Telegraph piece entitled. (Detail: Posted by: Shane of Los Angeles 5:04am June 13, 2007), although Shane may or may not be operating on the same time zone. Say, Where's Howards sons Yankee operation, anyway?) "Unions fire up anti-IR barbecues EXCLUSIVE by Luke McIlveen June 13, 2007 02:00am The Offending Rag is "The Daily Telegraph" The post - a comment on an article or another comment which was quoted by Ron hit the deck three hours after what may or may not be the publishing time - it appears - either way well before or just as the paper actually hit the newstands in Sydney. my oh my. Looks it was All Hands To The Pumps for the Young Libs and assorted hangers-on... Funnily enough, the first 13 comments were made before the official time of publishing of the reference piece. What the f.ck's that all about? and: Another effort by the presumably the same? Shane of Los Angeles - this one from last year shane of los angeles wrote on Mar 26, 2006 10:21 AM: " Illegal immigration: 1. makes it easier for terrorists to get us here; 2. undermines legal immigration; 3. undermines the rule of law. " Note that the comment there could be used unaltered here referenced to Illegal Immigration and probably will be in coming months. Problem he has is that the USA has built an entire economy on slavery, and Shane and his ilk are too stupid to realize that the darkies originally imported for the purpose have been replaced by vast numbers from that 'other America'. Stop them being imported or legitimizing them forcing correct wages, conditions and social facilities and the Yankee economy WILL collapse. But that's another story - worth remembering where many of the auto plants are going:-) So, Shanes brilliant piece was in response to an article entitled : Minutemen rally outside Issa's office from that august journal "The North County Times" By: Craig Tenbroeck - Staff Writer VISTA ---- Members and supporters of the San Diego Minutemen gathered outside U.S. Rep. Darrell Issa's office Wednesday to protest any immigration reform that would include amnesty and guest worker programs for illegal immigrants. - Blah blah blah, replete with pictures of Minutemen etc. Hell, and I though minute men were the reason all that spam and other rubbish about faulty dicks fills the journals and data channels... Duh. Anyhow, Shane seems to be such a unamusing and worthless sh.t - I couldn't be bothered to go for more product - but it's certainly worth noting that he has prior for being quick off the mark. Not quite a minute, but that one is -23 minutes. Certainly premature. Time zone problem, of course;-) Maybe Shane is the newspaper equivalent of John Smithee? -- Toby >>> Ron blathered on in Re: Ford considering selling Jaguar and Land >>> Rover: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >>> >>> Toby > my oh my. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > problem, of course;-) > Maybe Shane is the newspaper equivalent of John Smithee? Toby, You still have not answered my question? Have you worked in the USA, or been a union official there? As for all your political crap, what a load of rubbish! If you really believe that, you are one sad individual. Ron Ron blathered on in Re: Ford considering selling Jaguar and Land Rover: >>>> Ron blathered on in Re: Ford considering selling Jaguar and Land >>>> Rover: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > You still have not answered my question? > Have you worked in the USA, or been a union official there? Suuure, and I know where jimmy Hoffa is buried, too. Incidentally - and I need to be blunt here - your source is utterly f.cked. That's what I was getting at. Duh. It's the very FIRST thing you need to check before going to print. Rules. It's about truth, you see. Pretty scarce stuff, too. > As for all your political crap, what a load of rubbish! > If you really believe that, you are one sad individual. > > Ron Sad individual? Yeah - think 'Shane of Los Angeles' there, by all means (there's no appreciable piece of Auto Industry in LA, BTW - I know this because I read it on the Internet) and those that set his pure bullshit up as some sort of authority are more of a problem. Waay beyond sad, that lot. If you believe Unions either here or in the USA are any sort of significant problem, I have a bridge to sell ya. Never yet seen a Union order a standing army into battle - have you? Maybe there should be unions in the armies? There's an idea. Piss off HRH on the wall of the mess - whack up an elegantly framed piccie of say, Winnie the Pooh. That'd be a good start. Apoplectic is a word, Ron - not a condition;-) -- Toby Toby_Ponsenby <me@privacy.net> wrote in news:f4vi4e$u3m$1 @registered.motzarella.org: > Ron blathered on in Re: Ford considering selling Jaguar and Land Rover: > [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > Toby Well after reading you reply, two words come to mind, verbose and subterfuge. Ron Ron blathered on in Re: Ford considering selling Jaguar and Land Rover: > Toby_Ponsenby <me@privacy.net> wrote in news:f4vi4e$u3m$1 > @registered.motzarella.org: [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > > Ron At least you read it.. Seriously though, spike 'letters' and, faked calls into talkback wireless are as common as dirt. And in the scheme of things both are lower than whaleshit. That's not to mention the absolute constant and debasing crap questions with and without notice in out so-called parliament. The problem is, no-one can stop that sort of rubbish and therefore one has to conclude that ALL the stuff out there is Sus. Far worse is the situation where you can't regard even one of the letters as a genuine expression of sentiment. We've even has ministerial staffers sprung writing in under assumed identities in support of GovCo policy. Which goes a long way towards forcing the belief that NOTHING you ever see in letters/comments is real thing unless it's attributed properly. Yeah, I can't talk -but I'm NOT writing to major newspapers, or calling the Laws/Jones/Sattler/Hinch scumbags pretending I'm someone other than who I am, either. -- Toby. > http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/another-marque-on-the-block/2007/06/12/11814 14275348.html > > I wonder how long until Ford sells Volvo and Mazda. It'd be more accurate to ask how long it'll be before someone buys Ford. They're in deep, deep sh.t.... -- Regards, Noddy. >> http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/another-marque-on-the-block/2007/06/12/11814 14275348.html >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Regards, > Noddy. But you can't buy Ford, you end up with all the union problems and pension liabilities that are dragging it down. What you do is wait until Ford is broke, and then you buy the factories, tooling, intellectual property and cherrypick the best employees. That way you get to leave all the dead costs behind still clinging to the sinking ship. Brutal I know, but nobody who just buys Ford (or GM, or Chrysler) will be able to stop having the same problems as before. > What you do is wait until Ford is broke, and then you buy the factories, > tooling, intellectual property and cherrypick the best employees. > > That way you get to leave all the dead costs behind still clinging to the > sinking ship. That's what I meant. With the trouble they're currently in, you could buy the whole concern for 28 bucks. The problem then would be that you'd have to service the umpteen billion dollar debt :) > Brutal I know, but nobody who just buys Ford (or GM, or Chrysler) will be > able to stop having the same problems as before. Not unless the US Government wakes up to itself and trims the unions wings. -- Regards, Noddy. >>> http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/another-marque-on-the-block/2007/ >>> 06/12/1181414275348.html [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Brutal I know, but nobody who just buys Ford (or GM, or Chrysler) will > be able to stop having the same problems as before. They need to get rid of the f.cking union! Only then will the manufacturers servive. I'll bet the Japs don't have unions like that :-) >>>> http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/another-marque-on-the-block/2007/ >>>> 06/12/1181414275348.html [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Only then will the manufacturers servive. > I'll bet the Japs don't have unions like that :-) The Japs don't have the same problems even when they are making cars in the USA. Of course they can still go broke, just ask Nissan or Mitsubishi. > >> http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/another-marque-on-the-block/2007/06/12/11814 14275348.html > >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Brutal I know, but nobody who just buys Ford (or GM, or Chrysler) will > be able to stop having the same problems as before. Ford do have one exculpable fact which will stop them going down: buyer loyalty. Its an impossibility to have one company hogging the whole market (such as ours). There is a critical mass where people start to think, why buy a Holden, every bastard's got one. People *want* variety. Chrysler aren't providing it, and jap cars will always be in another orbit of buyers who'll only buy a Ford or Holden after some sort of brain spasm. Jason > Ford do have one exculpable fact which will stop them going down: buyer > loyalty. I don't buy that for a second. If Ford kept putting crap cars onto the market that no one wanted (like the 380 for example) they'd fold up in a heartbeat and brand loyalty would only serve to prevent the complete embarrassment of not selling *any* cars at all. What little they would sell to the people who would buy a Ford just because it's a Ford wouldn't make enough money to pay the wages for a week. -- Regards, Noddy. >> Ford do have one exculpable fact which will stop them going down: buyer >> loyalty. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > What little they would sell to the people who would buy a Ford just because > it's a Ford wouldn't make enough money to pay the wages for a week. Very true. Ford US and to a lesser extent GM's trouble have a lot more to do with the fact they they aren't building cars that people want to buy and their quality has been bottom of the barrel for years than anything else. Companies like Toyota have to deal with the same Unions and Govt regulations relating to pensions but they are profitable and are growing simply because unlike GM and Ford they build decent cars that sell. Daryl >>> http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/another-marque-on-the-block/2007/06/12/11814 14275348.html >>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Brutal I know, but nobody who just buys Ford (or GM, or Chrysler) will be > able to stop having the same problems as before. newsnewsnewsnewsnews >> a new shipment of *instant expert* has just arrived and is available >> now.........since the high demand of the last few days has exhausted [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> stuff is good !! *instant expert* try it today... see noddy for >> details...................j ps thinking of changing name to : instant capitalist c.nt............ > newsnewsnewsnewsnews Oh, FFS. [plonk] SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. >> newsnewsnewsnewsnews > > Oh, FFS. > > [plonk] Yep. Me too. SignatureDon't try to reply to my email addy: I'm borrowing that of the latest scammer/spammer >> http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/another-marque-on-the-block/2007/06/12/11814 14275348.html >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > They're in deep, deep sh.t.... After seeing their new F series trucks I think sh.t isn't the appropriate word. I think Magma is. :-) SignatureRegards Dan > >>http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/another-marque-on-the-block/2007/... > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Regards > Dan Especially after re-watching Jeremy Clarkson's test of the F150. Loved the line "The worst care I had ever driven was a Russian four wheel drive. Notice the operational word - 'had' " They really are a pile of sh.t, but it doesnt seem to deter our Seppo friends - quality control and the like. There was a comparo test in a US mag a while ago between a Mustang and the Monaro (GTO). Forget which one was preferred, but what struck me was it was close - even after the Mustangs gearshift came away in the hands of a tester .... eeesh. Steve > Especially after re-watching Jeremy Clarkson's test of the F150. Loved > the line "The worst care I had ever driven was a Russian four wheel > drive. Notice the operational word - 'had' " No offence, but I'd take the comments of a guy who handed a GT40 back because he couldn't get the alarm sorted out with a *huge* grain of salt :) > They really are a pile of sh.t, but it doesnt seem to deter our Seppo > friends - quality control and the like. There was a comparo test in a > US mag a while ago between a Mustang and the Monaro (GTO). Forget > which one was preferred, but what struck me was it was close - even > after the Mustangs gearshift came away in the hands of a tester .... > eeesh. Americans have never had an interest in (a) cars that handled or stopped particularly well, (b) cars that were uber reliable and exceptionally well built, or (c) cars that were overly economical. The conditioning of the large manufacturer's marketing departments helped in that, but their particular country's physical layout played a huge part also. -- Regards, Noddy. >> Especially after re-watching Jeremy Clarkson's test of the F150. Loved >> the line "The worst care I had ever driven was a Russian four wheel >> drive. Notice the operational word - 'had' " > > No offence, but I'd take the comments of a guy who handed a GT40 back because > he couldn't get the alarm sorted out with a *huge* grain of salt :) I think the main reason he handed it back was because he couldn't fit it down their narrow f.cking roads so it sat in his shed most of the time. Fraser >> Especially after re-watching Jeremy Clarkson's test of the F150. Loved >> the line "The worst care I had ever driven was a Russian four wheel [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > large manufacturer's marketing departments helped in that, but their > particular country's physical layout played a huge part also. newsnewsnewsnewsnews >> a new shipment of *instant expert* has just arrived and is available >> now.........since the high demand of the last few days has exhausted [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> stuff is good !! *instant expert* try it today... see noddy for >> details...................j > -- > Regards, > Noddy. > even > after the Mustangs gearshift came away in the hands of a tester .... > eeesh. Same thing happened to Clarkson when he was testing a Porsche 911. "so it's exactly the same as the previous 911....except that the gear lever falls off" Greg. |
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