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Mitsi 380 on QLD Nine News
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Doug Jewell - 13 Jun 2007 09:43 GMT Just caught a bit on the news about the 380's. Apparently some police officer was booked for speeding in an unmarked police car - a 380. He contested the speeding charge on the basis that the speedo must have been inaccurate. Unfortunately his car was wrecked before it could be tested, but other 380's were tested and huge errors were found in their speedos. One car indicated 89 on the speedo when the car was doing over 100. Some bloke from the police union described the 380 as the modern-day P76 - he said they were horrible to drive and most police staff avoided them whenever possible. As an interim measure, Qld Police have fitted 380's with a digital speedo. In the longterm they plan to phase out all 380's within the next 12 months. When a major purchaser like a state police department decides not to purchase any more 380's and to sell off what they have, if I worked at mistershittee I'd be seriously checking the jobs column in the paper!
Dan--- - 13 Jun 2007 09:55 GMT > Just caught a bit on the news about the 380's. Apparently some police > officer was booked for speeding in an unmarked police car - a 380. He [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > purchase any more 380's and to sell off what they have, if I worked at > mistershittee I'd be seriously checking the jobs column in the paper! Heh most of the general public don't like them now the cops don't like them.
A funeral is a brewin. :-)
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Ron - 13 Jun 2007 10:06 GMT > Just caught a bit on the news about the 380's. Apparently some police > officer was booked for speeding in an unmarked police car - a 380. He [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > any more 380's and to sell off what they have, if I worked at > mistershittee I'd be seriously checking the jobs column in the paper! No surprise there. I was also relieved to hear most avoid them :-)
Not many wanted to be seen in a P76, either.
John_H - 13 Jun 2007 12:43 GMT >Just caught a bit on the news about the 380's. Apparently some police >officer was booked for speeding in an unmarked police car - a 380. He [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >the police union described the 380 as the modern-day P76 - he said they were >horrible to drive and most police staff avoided them whenever possible. Sheesh... aren't these are the same people who claim they can judge a vehicle's speed to the nearest 0.5kph without the help of radar!
The P-76 didn't fail because it was a bad car. In fact it was way ahead of its contemporary rivals in almost every department.
The P-76 was a failed marketing exercise pure and simple. British Leyland built a car that didn't particularly suit the prevailing market conditions of the time, and once the rot set in public perceptions (fed by the popular press -- with a bit of help from the rivals) did the rest.
If the story happens to sound familiar then it probably is!
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Noddy - 13 Jun 2007 13:07 GMT > The P-76 didn't fail because it was a bad car. In fact it was way > ahead of its contemporary rivals in almost every department. No it wasn't :)
The P-76 failed because it was an unreliable heap of sh.t that offered it's buyers nothing more technically advanced over it's competitors than rack & pinion steering.
> The P-76 was a failed marketing exercise pure and simple. British > Leyland built a car that didn't particularly suit the prevailing > market conditions of the time, and once the rot set in public > perceptions (fed by the popular press -- with a bit of help from the > rivals) did the rest. That and the fact that it was *very* poorly built, had many unreliability issues (particularly with the electrics and oil consumption problems on the V8's).
It's reputation as a bad car was well & truly deserved. History has made a few attempts at painting it in a better light than it really was, but in it's day it was absolutely woeful, and that's precisely why it failed.
-- Regards, Noddy.
DAvid - 13 Jun 2007 22:43 GMT >> The P-76 didn't fail because it was a bad car. In fact it was way >> ahead of its contemporary rivals in almost every department. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Regards, > Noddy. Total bullshit, Aussies just couldn't come to grips with such an advanced car of it's day despite being totally designed in Australia by Aussies. Admittedly, the 6cyl was ordinary but to criticise the V8 shows your lack of mechanical expertise. These V8s were fitted with the all alloy Rover engine, an engine that had and continues to prove its dominance over most other V8s to this day. Don't you ever have anything positive to say about any cars other than Jeeps...faaaaaarrrrkk. You need to get out more (N)oddball.
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Andy - 13 Jun 2007 22:58 GMT >>> The P-76 didn't fail because it was a bad car. In fact it was way >>> ahead of its contemporary rivals in almost every department. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > DAVO Oh, so you owned one, did you? You really ARE a fuckwit then, with *really* shitty taste in cars to boot :-) Care to elaborate on what made them so 'advanced'? Aside from the rack & pinion steering, of course.
Much like every other Australian built car from the 70's, they were horrible heaps of sh.t.
Andy.
Kev - 16 Jun 2007 20:07 GMT > Oh, so you owned one, did you? You really ARE a fuckwit then, with > *really* shitty taste in cars to boot :-) Care to elaborate on what > made them so 'advanced'? Aside from the rack & pinion steering, of course. Bloody hell does everyone forget that the windscreen wipers went below the bonnet line when parked how advanced was that on an Aussie production car
Makes it a top car to me
Kev
Clockmeister - 14 Jun 2007 00:19 GMT >>> The P-76 didn't fail because it was a bad car. In fact it was way >>> ahead of its contemporary rivals in almost every department. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Total bullshit, Aussies just couldn't come to grips with such an advanced > car of it's day despite being totally designed in Australia by Aussies. What is advanced about a car that had a shithouse engine, poor design and horrible build quality?
> Admittedly, the 6cyl was ordinary but to criticise the V8 shows your lack > of mechanical expertise. These V8s were fitted with the all alloy Rover > engine, an engine that had and continues to prove its dominance over most > other V8s to this day. Nice buildup for such a turd of an engine.
Don't you ever have anything positive to say about any cars
> other than Jeeps...faaaaaarrrrkk. You need to get out more (N)oddball. You need to brush up on your automotive history.
Scotty - 14 Jun 2007 01:13 GMT >>> The P-76 didn't fail because it was a bad car. In fact it was way >>> ahead of its contemporary rivals in almost every department. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > DAVO THe ROver 3500V* was only in good form once you spent a couple of thousand dollars at it then it hummed in a lot of Jet boats and speedway cars. Mates uncle stuck a warmed up one in a Mitsi GTO, that was a pretty quick car.
Noddy - 14 Jun 2007 02:17 GMT > Total bullshit, Aussies just couldn't come to grips with such an advanced > car of it's day despite being totally designed in Australia by Aussies. Tell me exactly what was "advanced" about it compared to anything else?
> Admittedly, the 6cyl was ordinary but to criticise the V8 shows your lack > of mechanical expertise. These V8s were fitted with the all alloy Rover > engine, an engine that had and continues to prove its dominance over most > other V8s to this day. ROFL :)
The Rover V8 has 2 main advantages over it's contemporaries. It's small, and it's light.
On the down side, it made f.ck all power, had oil consumption and temperature issues in the P-76, wasn't particularly economical despite it's capacity and power output and suffered with horrendous corosion problems.
In short, being made from alloy was nice, but it did nothing out of the ordinary that made it stellar, and had enough issues.
> Don't you ever have anything positive to say about any cars other than > Jeeps...faaaaaarrrrkk. You need to get out more (N)oddball. You really are a f.cking idiot Davo. I mean really....
-- Regards, Noddy.
Dan--- - 14 Jun 2007 02:24 GMT >> Total bullshit, Aussies just couldn't come to grips with such an advanced >> car of it's day despite being totally designed in Australia by Aussies. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > The Rover V8 has 2 main advantages over it's contemporaries. It's small, and > it's light. Reminds me someone telling me they had a Range Rover and had the 3.5 litre efi V8. It did an oil pump and seized like a womans eyelid with jizm all over it. He replaced it with a Holden V6 from a VX Commy he told me it goes harder but drinks the same and has a lot less leaks. Best thing is his wife stopped bitching about the oil leaks on her driveway. :-)
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Noddy - 14 Jun 2007 05:46 GMT > Reminds me someone telling me they had a Range Rover and had the 3.5 litre > efi V8. It did an oil pump and seized like a womans eyelid with jizm all > over it. He replaced it with a Holden V6 from a VX Commy he told me it > goes harder but drinks the same and has a lot less leaks. Best thing > is his wife stopped bitching about the oil leaks on her driveway. :-) I had a mate who owned a Rover Vanden Plas 3.5 with a manual trans, which was a pretty rare car for one of those.
When it was running it was okay. Nothing brilliant, with performance on a par of your average V6 Commodore, but keeping it running was no mean task I can tell you. It was probably *the* most unreliable car I've ever seen, with problems in just about every area you can imagine including the engine.
I can remember thinking at one time while trying to repair it that if the coppers in England used these heaps of sh.t as cruisers, the crims must have a pretty easy time of things over there :)
-- Regards, Noddy.
Dan--- - 14 Jun 2007 06:43 GMT > I had a mate who owned a Rover Vanden Plas 3.5 with a manual trans, which > was a pretty rare car for one of those. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > can tell you. It was probably *the* most unreliable car I've ever seen, with > problems in just about every area you can imagine including the engine. Shame because they are not all that a bad looking car. Especially the last of the 3500 series.
> I can remember thinking at one time while trying to repair it that if > the coppers in England used these heaps of sh.t as cruisers, the crims > must have a pretty easy time of things over there :) Yeah a 3500 cop car gets done by a 50 odd hp Anglia. :-)
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John McKenzie - 14 Jun 2007 07:55 GMT > I can remember thinking at one time while trying to repair it that if the > coppers in England used these heaps of sh.t as cruisers, the crims must have > a pretty easy time of things over there :) no cause most of the crims would be in pommy built cars too! I'd probably walk.
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Noddy - 14 Jun 2007 10:48 GMT > no cause most of the crims would be in pommy built cars too! I'd > probably walk. About the best way to guarantee to get to where you're going :)
-- Regards, Noddy.
Athol - 14 Jun 2007 06:10 GMT > The Rover V8 has 2 main advantages over it's contemporaries. It's small, and > it's light. Small as in capacity, not as in external dimensions. That particularly applies to the tall deck P76 4.4L. From an engine conversion POV, the only reason to use one is if a larger capacity engine is not allowed.
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Noddy - 14 Jun 2007 07:22 GMT > Small as in capacity, not as in external dimensions. That particularly > applies to the tall deck P76 4.4L. From an engine conversion POV, the > only reason to use one is if a larger capacity engine is not allowed. They're not at all popular on the "rod scene", and you'd think if they had any potential at all they'd get half a chance thanks to their weight saving alone.
I knew a guy who f.cked with one once and he spent *thousands* getting the thing to make a reliable 320 horsepower. I just shook my head and wondered why he bothered.
-- Regards, Noddy.
Dan--- - 14 Jun 2007 07:34 GMT > I knew a guy who f.cked with one once and he spent *thousands* getting the > thing to make a reliable 320 horsepower. I just shook my head and wondered > why he bothered. Well at least we know a smart person would of used a small block Chev or Ford donk. :-).
Its like the Rotary engine in a HX Kingswood. I think the Jap workers at Mazda must of been pissed at a karaoke bar to come up with that idea. Then they put a rotary in a mini bus for f.ck sake!
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Daryl Walford - 14 Jun 2007 04:29 GMT > Total bullshit, Aussies just couldn't come to grips with such an advanced > car of it's day despite being totally designed in Australia by Aussies. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > to this day. Don't you ever have anything positive to say about any cars > other than Jeeps...faaaaaarrrrkk. You need to get out more (N)oddball. Do you know anyone who owned a P76? A mate bought a V8 one new and it was a POS from day one. It was a long time ago now but I remember it was always giving him trouble. When you open the rear door of you brand new car and find the rear trim panels thrown on the floor with the fixing screws all ready for you to finish assembling it yourself your confidence in the car goes down the toilet. It did drive better than either of its main rivals in that it handled and steering ok but its build quality could only be described as appalling which is no great surprise considering Leyland was a financial basket case at the time. I personally didn't mind the styling and I particularly liked the styling of the coupe that was never released but many others didn't like it. IMO the car could have been a success if Leyland had the money to develop it and assemble it properly instead of making a half arsed effort that was doomed to fail from day one.
Daryl
Noddy - 14 Jun 2007 05:52 GMT > Do you know anyone who owned a P76? > A mate bought a V8 one new and it was a POS from day one. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > finish assembling it yourself your confidence in the car goes down the > toilet. Funny, as I've heard that from a few sources.
The worst being that a car was sent to a dealership with the top half of the engine in the boot as it had a problem on initial start up, and they just threw whatever parts they thought it needed in the boot for the dealer to fix it with.
> It did drive better than either of its main rivals in that it handled and > steering ok but its build quality could only be described as appalling > which is no great surprise considering Leyland was a financial basket case > at the time. Yep.
> I personally didn't mind the styling and I particularly liked the styling > of the coupe that was never released but many others didn't like it. I thought it was pretty ugly from the rear, and I never understood the "44 in the boot thing", but from the front it looked okay. It was certainly different.
There was some guy in South Oz (I think) recently advertising one of the *very* few (if not the only) P-76 station wagons ever made. Ugly looking thing, and a total backet case in terms of it's condition, but it was complete and running and he seemed to be having trouble getting three grand for it.
> IMO the car could have been a success if Leyland had the money to develop > it and assemble it properly instead of making a half arsed effort that was > doomed to fail from day one. Agreed.
It was never ready to see the light of day when it was released, but it *could* have made it if they were in a position to finish it properly.
-- Regards, Noddy.
Dan--- - 14 Jun 2007 07:59 GMT >> Total bullshit, Aussies just couldn't come to grips with such an advanced >> car of it's day despite being totally designed in Australia by Aussies. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > finish assembling it yourself your confidence in the car goes down the > toilet. How nice! Heads would roll if I got a brand new car and I had to "finish" off the assembly. I would expect that kind of behavior if the car was a project semi restored car.
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Daryl Walford - 14 Jun 2007 08:12 GMT >>> Total bullshit, Aussies just couldn't come to grips with such an advanced >>> car of it's day despite being totally designed in Australia by Aussies. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > assembly. I would expect that kind of behavior if the car was a project > semi restored car. Its makes you wonder what kind of dealer pre delivery inspection it got, the dealer effort was worse than the factory. From memory the mates car was near the end of P76 production and he got it quite cheap which doesn't excuse the crap QC but it would be even worse if you paid top dollar.
Daryl
Dan--- - 14 Jun 2007 09:15 GMT > Its makes you wonder what kind of dealer pre delivery inspection it got, > the dealer effort was worse than the factory. > From memory the mates car was near the end of P76 production and he got > it quite cheap which doesn't excuse the crap QC but it would be even > worse if you paid top dollar. Agreed although I am glad that the car industry has picked up its act from back then. But still far from perfect but better that it use to be.
I still piss on Mazda though. :-)
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Daryl Walford - 14 Jun 2007 10:06 GMT >> Its makes you wonder what kind of dealer pre delivery inspection it got, >> the dealer effort was worse than the factory. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Agreed although I am glad that the car industry has picked up its act from > back then. But still far from perfect but better that it use to be. The standards have certainly improved.
> I still piss on Mazda though. :-) LOL, no argument from me on that score:-)
Daryl
Dan--- - 14 Jun 2007 23:50 GMT > LOL, no argument from me on that score:-) At least the mrs has the Camry that replaced it its been a typical Toyota very few problems but very reliable.
But we kind of regretted not getting a Liberty wagon oh well maybe next year if the mrs does want to drop another pair of feet. :-)
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DJ - 15 Jun 2007 01:51 GMT >> LOL, no argument from me on that score:-) >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > But we kind of regretted not getting a Liberty wagon oh well maybe next > year if the mrs does want to drop another pair of feet. :-) I was reading in one of the Aus. mags that Subaru has a new Liberty comming out with STi credentials like it's smaller sibling. Be interesting to read the results of a test, but i beleive it'll be around the $50-60K mark....ouch!!
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Daryl Walford - 15 Jun 2007 06:51 GMT >>> LOL, no argument from me on that score:-) >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > the results of a test, but i beleive it'll be around the $50-60K > mark....ouch!! The Liberty 3.0R B Spec is already that price, its a very well equipped car that handles and performs very nicely but its not cheap. If an STi version had somewhere near the power of the WRX STi it would be even more impressive. I wonder if they have experimented with a turbo on the 3.0lt 6cyl, if the 2.5lt 4cyl can produce over 200kw the bigger engine should be good for 250kw which would make the Liberty into a rocket.
Daryl
Kev - 16 Jun 2007 20:14 GMT >> Total bullshit, Aussies just couldn't come to grips with such an >> advanced car of it's day despite being totally designed in Australia [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > develop it and assemble it properly instead of making a half arsed > effort that was doomed to fail from day one. My year 8 Maths teacher was a P76 owner, the 6cyl model, he thought it was the best thing since sliced bread most students really got the sh.ts with having maths examples every day that had some reference to his bloody metallic green machine
Kev
John McKenzie - 14 Jun 2007 07:53 GMT > >> The P-76 didn't fail because it was a bad car. In fact it was way > >> ahead of its contemporary rivals in almost every department. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > an engine that had and continues to prove its dominance over most other V8s > to this day. I nearly pissed my pants reading that. You forgot the smiley at the end.
And for the record, I worked on rovers and range rovers and jags (and practically every euro shitheap) as an apprentice as it was the only authorised service centre for some, and the best known for others. They had trouble keeping blokes there for long periods, as the cars sucked that badly that the jobs were maddening. What should be a simple job made difficult by extremely questionable engineering.
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John_H - 14 Jun 2007 00:41 GMT >> The P-76 didn't fail because it was a bad car. In fact it was way >> ahead of its contemporary rivals in almost every department. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >issues (particularly with the electrics and oil consumption problems on the >V8's). Can't say I ever got close enough to one to be aware of any serious quality control issues, which no doubt would've been sorted had it survived. The design was fine in an era when the average punter was sh.t scared of anything deemed complicated. As I recall, it also drove better than any of its competitors -- which isn't what the policeman inferred.
>It's reputation as a bad car was well & truly deserved. History has made a >few attempts at painting it in a better light than it really was, but in >it's day it was absolutely woeful, and that's precisely why it failed. It's fate was sealed long before any reputation was established. The parent company was in the sh.t and the local manufacturer's survival was dependant on its success in a changing market. In spite of initial acceptance (Wheels COTY for example) in such a climate, and with the assistance of rumours, innuendo and bad press, the wolves had no difficulty panicking the sheeple.
Not that I ever felt the desire to own one (like its competitors, it wasn't my type of car) but it certainly never got much by way of a fair go.
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Noddy - 14 Jun 2007 05:34 GMT > Can't say I ever got close enough to one to be aware of any serious > quality control issues, which no doubt would've been sorted had it > survived. The design was fine in an era when the average punter was > sh.t scared of anything deemed complicated. As I recall, it also > drove better than any of its competitors -- which isn't what the > policeman inferred. I agree.
There was nothing at all wrong with it's design, albeit the thing certainly looked a little "unique", and especially from the rear. It's problem was largely that it was woefully built & finished at the factory, and dealer support was all but non existant.
There's been many an account of cars being sent to dealers unfinished, with the parts required to complete the assembly often thrown on the back seat or in the boot. Other stories (from former Leyland executivges themselves) were that *part* of the quality control issues the car suffered from stemmed from it being built on an assembly line originally designed to accomodate smallish cars, and the bulky P-76 often got bashed into the equipment as it rolled through the plant leaving the cars looking like they'd gone ten rounds in the shopping centre car park from hell, and new owners mighty pissed off.
> It's fate was sealed long before any reputation was established. The > parent company was in the sh.t and the local manufacturer's survival > was dependant on its success in a changing market. In spite of > initial acceptance (Wheels COTY for example) in such a climate, and > with the assistance of rumours, innuendo and bad press, the wolves had > no difficulty panicking the sheeple. My memory of the thing was that initial press was quite favourable, and remained so for some time even after sales had started to dwindle and rumours were all over the place. It was only after rumblings within Leyland Australia started to be felt that the press jumped on the bandwagon and started shitcanning the car with tales of woe that most people already knew, and that was certainly enough to scare off whatever stragglers may have still been interested enough to look at buying one.
Back in their day I knew a couple of people who were unfortunate enough to have bought one new, and they both regretted it immensely. One was a poverty pack 6 while the other a top of the line V8, and they both had massive electircal problems to the point of the V8 having a minor under bonnet fire when it's electrical system flambe'd right along the loom from the battery to the firewall (and underneath). The 6 cylinder was as gutless as buggery, and the V8, while having reasonable performance (on a par with a 253 powered Kingswood at the time) was pretty thirsty, and suffered from horrendous over heating issues. It also had a habit of throwing fan blades from what I remember, and no amount of replacement blades would prevent it.
Both cars had problems with dash mounted switchgear breaking or falling apart, door glass falling out of it's tracks, T-bar shiters coming loose, instuments not working, and other minor issues.
On the plus side, they had comfortable seats and a *very* roomy interior compared to any Falcon, Valiant or Holden.
> Not that I ever felt the desire to own one (like its competitors, it > wasn't my type of car) but it certainly never got much by way of a > fair go. It got as fair a go as it deserved in my opinion, and I think it could have succeeded had Leyland been in a position to build it properly in the first place. The problem was that they never were, and the car was never anywhere near ready for public sale when it hit the showrooms. It needed a *lot* of time & effort put into getting it right, and they just didn't have the ability to do that.
For what it's worth, I also think they drove okay compared to their opposition. The steering was far and away better than any of the recirculating ball systems used on the other cars, and the brakes were very good (better than Falcon & Valiant, and on a par with the HQ Holden in my opinion). The 6 cylinder variant was useless, but the V8 could have been a good comfortable cruiser.
-- Regards, Noddy.
John McKenzie - 14 Jun 2007 18:14 GMT > > Can't say I ever got close enough to one to be aware of any serious > > quality control issues, which no doubt would've been sorted had it [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > good (better than Falcon & Valiant, and on a par with the HQ Holden in my > opinion). honestly (and I'll note I'm never going to be 100% impartial) I'd put the vals in front (or behind, since they stopped quicker) the hq. In the wheels road tests of the era I've seen they stopped a little quicker (which probably is good evidence that Bette Davis liked mashed potato - i.e. a journalists report is irrelevant). they had the same discs and calipers as the hqs, with a little lighter weight (the charger a little more so than the others, but that doesn't count). Biggest detriment to the vals abiity around corners was imho the factory wheel alignment settings.
> The 6 cylinder variant was useless, but the V8 could have been a > good comfortable cruiser. To play devil's advocate (play? play? hell, it's a lifestyle for me) I know of someone who loves the things (and is reasonably savvy mechanically too) to each their own.
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Diesel Damo - 13 Jun 2007 13:10 GMT > If the story happens to sound familiar then it probably is! History never repeats, but it loves to rhyme ;-)
DAvid - 13 Jun 2007 22:38 GMT >>Just caught a bit on the news about the 380's. Apparently some police >>officer was booked for speeding in an unmarked police car - a 380. He [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > If the story happens to sound familiar then it probably is! Extremely well said and most importantly highly accurate. The earlier post about the 380 has to be bullshit. I have just driven one around outback NSW and I have nothing but praise for the one I drove anyway. As for the crap about the speedo, I used my portable GPS unit and when I was doing 100 on the speedo the GPS said I was doing 96, much the same as any car. I have already made my positive comments about the 380, comparing it with the P76 in an earlier post and I can't help but assume this post is directed at me.
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ross_w - 13 Jun 2007 23:43 GMT > >Just caught a bit on the news about the 380's. Apparently some police > >officer was booked for speeding in an unmarked police car - a 380. He [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > -- > John H Don't forget the fact that bits kept falling off them.
A basically good design let down by rubbish assembly. A guy who used to fit car radios told me he had one in to get a radio fitted that had the word "Leyland" misspelled on the boot lid.
Dan--- - 14 Jun 2007 00:11 GMT > Don't forget the fact that bits kept falling off them. > > A basically good design let down by rubbish assembly. A guy who used > to fit car radios told me he had one in to get a radio fitted that had > the word "Leyland" misspelled on the boot lid. LOL Kind of reminds me of a mates EB falcon where the Ford badge on the steering wheel was upside down. :-)
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the_dawggie - 13 Jun 2007 14:24 GMT > Just caught a bit on the news about the 380's. Apparently some police > officer was booked for speeding in an unmarked police car - a 380. He [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > purchase any more 380's and to sell off what they have, if I worked at > mistershittee I'd be seriously checking the jobs column in the paper! Urm um, recently bought a Navman ICN330. It's fairly cool in the 'lux as in the speedo matches it prezactly (yes I know you are not allowed thiis stuff unless a navigational aid).
Could not police folk check/report this? - they appear to have the appropriate hardware installed for the co pilot to view.
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