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The new "Mahindra"

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Dan--- - 15 Jun 2007 00:24 GMT
http://www.carpoint.com.au/car-review/2688752.aspx

From what I can see is

Cheap but well equipped.
Ugly and slow
Engine weak and torque less for a common rail turbo diesel.
247 nm my farts have more torque than this thing. :-)

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Noddy - 15 Jun 2007 02:54 GMT
> http://www.carpoint.com.au/car-review/2688752.aspx
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Engine weak and torque less for a common rail turbo diesel.
> 247 nm my farts have more torque than this thing. :-)

And made in India :)

Anyone who has ever had anything to do with anything made of metal from
India would not want to go within 2 miles of one unless they enjoy getting
their fingers burnt.

The Indians have no concept of metallurgy whatsoever, to the point of making
the Chinese & Italians look like masters.

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Noddy.
Dan--- - 15 Jun 2007 03:32 GMT
> And made in India :)
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> The Indians have no concept of metallurgy whatsoever, to the point of making
> the Chinese & Italians look like masters.

Yup thank f.ck I have no desire to ever go to India.
Although they are flocking over here like bloody cane toads as well.

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Knobdoodle - 15 Jun 2007 11:59 GMT
> Yup thank f.ck I have no desire to ever go to India.

Lucky they've got enough stupid racist bogans over there Dan so they won't
miss you too much.
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Fraser Johnston - 15 Jun 2007 03:50 GMT
>> http://www.carpoint.com.au/car-review/2688752.aspx
>>
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> The Indians have no concept of metallurgy whatsoever, to the point of making
> the Chinese & Italians look like masters.

No sh.t.  Rust is a factory installed option.

Fraser
Dan--- - 15 Jun 2007 03:56 GMT
> No sh.t.  Rust is a factory installed option.

I thought it was standard you just have to switch it on by adding
water. :-)

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Steve - 15 Jun 2007 10:21 GMT
> >http://www.carpoint.com.au/car-review/2688752.aspx
>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> Regards,
> Noddy.

Can't wait until the chinese start flogging their Cherry or Red Star
or Great Wall or whatever (Oriental Sun??) stuff here, wonder which
will be the, um, lesser - they, or our friends from the sub-continent?
At least they make Proton look good. Hmmm, no wait, that might be
going a bit tooo far ... :)

Steve
Jason James - 15 Jun 2007 06:01 GMT
> http://www.carpoint.com.au/car-review/2688752.aspx
>
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> Engine weak and torque less for a common rail turbo diesel.
> 247 nm my farts have more torque than this thing. :-)

The Indians subjected themselves to a national car for about 40 yrs which
was a copy of the 1954 Morris Oxford. In all that time the body was not
updated,..the mind boggles. Its only in the last few years that they
updated.

Here's a photo:  http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C18654?pt=pf

Jason
Dan--- - 15 Jun 2007 06:04 GMT
> The Indians subjected themselves to a national car for about 40 yrs which
> was a copy of the 1954 Morris Oxford. In all that time the body was not
> updated,..the mind boggles. Its only in the last few years that they
> updated.
>
> Here's a photo:  http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C18654?pt=pf

And some people call our local cars dinosaurs. :-)

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Jason James - 15 Jun 2007 15:41 GMT
> > The Indians subjected themselves to a national car for about 40 yrs which
> > was a copy of the 1954 Morris Oxford. In all that time the body was not
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>
> And some people call our local cars dinosaurs. :-)

I guess during those years they just didnt put a premium on car looks or
development. They did upgrade the engine, but that horrible body was being
stamped out for new Hindustans or whatever they called them) right up until
the early '90s. f.cking unbelievable.

Jason
atec 77 - 15 Jun 2007 10:02 GMT
>> http://www.carpoint.com.au/car-review/2688752.aspx
>>
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>
> Jason

Bloody wonderful car , I had one circa 1967 .
John Hudson - 15 Jun 2007 19:21 GMT
"atec 77" <""atec7 7 \"@ hotmail dot com"> wrote in message
news:467255a4$0$1189$61c65585@un-2park-reader->> Here's a photo:
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C18654?pt=pf

>> Jason
>>
> Bloody wonderful car , I had one circa 1967 .

An MGB is basically a Morris Oxford in drag. (ducks for cover)
huddo
atec 77 - 16 Jun 2007 00:50 GMT
> "atec 77" <""atec7 7 \"@ hotmail dot com"> wrote in message
> news:467255a4$0$1189$61c65585@un-2park-reader->> Here's a photo:
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> An MGB is basically a Morris Oxford in drag. (ducks for cover)
> huddo

yes but the mgb lurches much less in corners
Noddy - 16 Jun 2007 01:26 GMT
"atec 77" <""atec7 7 \"@ hotmail dot com"> wrote in message
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> yes but the mgb lurches much less in corners

I'd take the "much" out of that sentence.

MG's are the most unsportslike "sports cars" ever made :)

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Noddy.
Jason James - 16 Jun 2007 01:45 GMT
> "atec 77" <""atec7 7 \"@ hotmail dot com"> wrote in message
> news:467325df$0$1187$61c65585@un-2park-reader-
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>
> MG's are the most unsportslike "sports cars" ever made :)

For a start they were made by that comglomerate which forever left its mark
on the mind of many a poor boy's attempt at buying his first car: BMC
=bloody minded *unts. :-)

The instances are numerous. My older bro's 1st car was an A40. It almost
sent him looney,..and I got more punches for taking the mickey out of him
than usual, until he dumped it.

Jason
atec 77 - 16 Jun 2007 10:31 GMT
>> "atec 77" <""atec7 7 \"@ hotmail dot com"> wrote in message
>> news:467325df$0$1187$61c65585@un-2park-reader-
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>
> Jason

A40's were great cars once fitted with the J2 van motor , reliability
went from crap to drivable , in fact I have an A40 parked in the yard
right now , mind it doesn't have much of the factory car left :)
 and when I started driving then they were not that old .
Jason James - 16 Jun 2007 23:56 GMT
> >> "atec 77" <""atec7 7 \"@ hotmail dot com"> wrote in message
> >> news:467325df$0$1187$61c65585@un-2park-reader-
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> right now , mind it doesn't have much of the factory car left :)
>   and when I started driving then they were not that old .

They did have a gigantic diff which some rodders thought (at the time ='60s)
could take a V8 (cusso), but broken axles was the result. Admit like most
cars of that era they didnt get better with age :) The one thing apart from
a broken rusted thru chassis (this is '66) and an engine which spat out
pie-crust valves, that really sh.t my bro, was the detent balls in the
selectors. f.cking things used to sproing out at the slightest brisk change,
and it took ages to put them back in,..much swearing by bro and ducking by
me, as I tried to watch this procedure and dared to giggle...
Jason
atec 77 - 18 Jun 2007 10:57 GMT
>>>> "atec 77" <""atec7 7 \"@ hotmail dot com"> wrote in message
>>>> news:467325df$0$1187$61c65585@un-2park-reader-
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> me, as I tried to watch this procedure and dared to giggle...
> Jason

they were fine with some skinny wire in a figure 8 wrap to keep them in
Blue  Heeler - 16 Jun 2007 07:26 GMT
> "atec 77" <""atec7 7 \"@ hotmail dot com"> wrote in message
> news:467325df$0$1187$61c65585@un-2park-reader-
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>
> MG's are the most unsportslike "sports cars" ever made :)

Nah Nod.

In the "Useless and unsportscar like performance and handling" stakes,
a Sunbeam Alpine absolutely snots an MGB.

The Tiger at least went fast in straight lines, but handled even worse
than the Alpine.

And both came equipped with an item of mechanical depravity that only
an Englishman could dream up - Armstrong lever action shockabsorbers.

I fought unendingly with the bastards until I did two smart things:-
1/. Adapted telescopic shockies to fit.
2/. Sold the useless prick of a thing.

Park a Sunbeam on an uneven surface and come back in 30 mintues and you
can't open the doors.
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Daryl Walford - 17 Jun 2007 01:02 GMT
Blue Heeler wrote:

>> "atec 77" <""atec7 7 \"@ hotmail dot com"> wrote in message
>> news:467325df$0$1187$61c65585@un-2park-reader-
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> And both came equipped with an item of mechanical depravity that only
> an Englishman could dream up - Armstrong lever action shockabsorbers.

For f.cks sake did you have to remind me of those things:-)
I owned a Mk3a Austin Healey Sprite and I spent more time and money
replacing those horrible shocks than I care to remember.

> I fought unendingly with the bastards until I did two smart things:-
> 1/. Adapted telescopic shockies to fit.

I've seen lots of Sprites that had that mod, I wish I have done it to
mine, it looked easy enough to do.

> 2/. Sold the useless prick of a thing.

People pay stupid money for old Pommy sports cars these days, if you had
the space you could have stored it for 30 yrs and watched it grow in value.

> Park a Sunbeam on an uneven surface and come back in 30 mintues and you
> can't open the doors.

LOL.

Daryl
Toby_Ponsenby - 16 Jun 2007 03:15 GMT
John Hudson blathered on in Re: The new "Mahindra":

> "atec 77" <""atec7 7 \"@ hotmail dot com"> wrote in message
> news:467255a4$0$1189$61c65585@un-2park-reader->> Here's a photo:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> An MGB is basically a Morris Oxford in drag. (ducks for cover)
> huddo

Give 'em a break - try Morris Major....which is itself a Farina Oxford.
Hang on - maybe the MGA is the Oxford, and the MGB is the Major.

And the AH Sprite an Midget MG is a Morris Minor in drag - a Farina
Morris Minor in drag..
Question is, the MG's are Farina machines, to, are they not?

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Toby
Jason James - 16 Jun 2007 04:45 GMT
> John Hudson blathered on in Re: The new "Mahindra":
>
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> Give 'em a break - try Morris Major....which is itself a Farina Oxford.
> Hang on - maybe the MGA is the Oxford, and the MGB is the Major.

The Adam's family of BMC engines at that time were "A" and "B" series. The
Morris Major shitbox had an "A" series, I think the MGA was afflicted with
the same engine. The MGB had the Austin 1800 engine which was less prone to
self-destruction.

The sprites had to the Mini engines. They were another series of engines I
think.

The Farina A40 was a resurrection of the infamous "A40" but didnt bear any
mechanical resemblance to *that( horror machine.

Jason

> And the AH Sprite an Midget MG is a Morris Minor in drag - a Farina
> Morris Minor in drag..
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>
> Toby
Toby_Ponsenby - 16 Jun 2007 06:59 GMT
Jason James blathered on in Re: The new "Mahindra":

>> John Hudson blathered on in Re: The new "Mahindra":
>>
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>>
>> Toby

hehe- there was an A and a B series. that's about all there were in
production for quite a while.
The A powered the Mini, the Morris 1000, 1100 the MG Midget, and the AH
Sprite etc
The Big Guns were powered by the B Series.

Australia got the Blue Streak which was 1 and a half B Series engines
at 2.433Litres IIRC.

I figure it was named after the missile developed by the Poms,which in
turn was named for a certain prominent vein on dicks of caucasian males.

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Toby
atec 77 - 16 Jun 2007 10:32 GMT
>> John Hudson blathered on in Re: The new "Mahindra":
>>
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>>
>> Toby

I had a couple of farina's , the first blew the motor after 3 months the
other after a week and got a v6 transplant from my A35 :)
Jason James - 17 Jun 2007 02:28 GMT
> >> John Hudson blathered on in Re: The new "Mahindra":
> >>
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> I had a couple of farina's , the first blew the motor after 3 months the
> other after a week and got a v6 transplant from my A35 :)

A35,..A50..A55,..A110,..then that was it. Any more HP and they would have
put wings on them.

An A55 2-door, one of the ugliest cars ever made, was restored by a fellow
here in town,..fuckin' hell.:)

Jason
Daryl Walford - 17 Jun 2007 01:10 GMT
>> John Hudson blathered on in Re: The new "Mahindra":
>>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> the same engine. The MGB had the Austin 1800 engine which was less prone to
> self-destruction.

> The sprites had to the Mini engines. They were another series of engines I
> think.

Sprite and Mini engines are "A" series but there are lots of variations
in the "A" series engine from the 850 in the early Mini up to the 1275
Cooper S engine.

Daryl
Daryl Walford - 17 Jun 2007 01:05 GMT
> John Hudson blathered on in Re: The new "Mahindra":
>
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> And the AH Sprite an Midget MG is a Morris Minor in drag - a Farina
> Morris Minor in drag..

The Sprite is an A30 with a different body.

Daryl
Daryl Walford - 15 Jun 2007 08:13 GMT
> http://www.carpoint.com.au/car-review/2688752.aspx
>
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> Engine weak and torque less for a common rail turbo diesel.
> 247 nm my farts have more torque than this thing. :-)

The review wasn't all bad, if it wasn't so gutless and heavy it might be
reasonable for the price.

Daryl
Dan--- - 16 Jun 2007 09:09 GMT
> The review wasn't all bad, if it wasn't so gutless and heavy it might be
> reasonable for the price.

Yeah although I still have the new 70 series Landcruiser still thanks. :-)

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Daryl Walford - 17 Jun 2007 01:13 GMT
>> The review wasn't all bad, if it wasn't so gutless and heavy it might be
>> reasonable for the price.
>
> Yeah although I still have the new 70 series Landcruiser still thanks. :-)

Except you could buy 3 Mahindra's for the cost of 1 Landcruiser:-)
I wouldn't mind a new 70 series but they aren't cheap.

Daryl
Dan--- - 17 Jun 2007 01:23 GMT
> Except you could buy 3 Mahindra's for the cost of 1 Landcruiser:-)
> I wouldn't mind a new 70 series but they aren't cheap.

True but I would be buying 3 dubious Mahindra's over 1 reliable
landcruiser. :-)

I know they aint cheap but I would probably keep it for many many years. :-)

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Daryl Walford - 17 Jun 2007 03:09 GMT
>> Except you could buy 3 Mahindra's for the cost of 1 Landcruiser:-)
>> I wouldn't mind a new 70 series but they aren't cheap.
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>
> I know they aint cheap but I would probably keep it for many many years. :-)

I'd probably do the same, those Cruisers seem to be damn near
indestructible.

Daryl
Dan--- - 17 Jun 2007 05:02 GMT


> I'd probably do the same, those Cruisers seem to be damn near
> indestructible.

Yup im looking at the mid spec GX model cab chassis with a/c and diff
lockers fitted and one thing for sure it aint going to be white either I
like the red ones better. :-)

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Toby_Ponsenby - 17 Jun 2007 04:19 GMT
Dan--- blathered on in Re: The new "Mahindra":

>> Except you could buy 3 Mahindra's for the cost of 1 Landcruiser:-)
>> I wouldn't mind a new 70 series but they aren't cheap.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> I know they aint cheap but I would probably keep it for many many years. :-)

Rust never sleeps.

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Toby
Noddy - 17 Jun 2007 03:27 GMT
> Except you could buy 3 Mahindra's for the cost of 1 Landcruiser:-)

You sure could, but what would you do in 12 months time when all three of
the Mahindra's are f.cked and worth nothing while the LandCruiser is still
like new and still worth a pretty penny? :)

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Daryl Walford - 18 Jun 2007 08:14 GMT
>> Except you could buy 3 Mahindra's for the cost of 1 Landcruiser:-)
>
> You sure could, but what would you do in 12 months time when all three of
> the Mahindra's are f.cked and worth nothing while the LandCruiser is still
> like new and still worth a pretty penny? :)

Drive one and keep 2 for spares would make it last a bit longer:-)
Bloody Toyota is so reliable I forget to look under the bonnet
occasionally, it ticked over to 100,000klms today and it still drives
like new.

Daryl
John_H - 15 Jun 2007 11:17 GMT
>http://www.carpoint.com.au/car-review/2688752.aspx>
>Engine weak and torque less for a common rail turbo diesel.
>247 nm my farts have more torque than this thing. :-)

What sort of torque would you expect from a 2.5 litre diesel hack?

This one has a specific torque figure of 99Nm per litre... which is
consistent with a boost of around 0.43at.

By comparison, the current 3.0 litre Hilux produces 115Nm per litre
(and no doubt uses a bit more boost).  The current 3.0 litre Rodeo
only manages 93NM per litre in a manual (and no doubt uses a bit less
boost).

A typical na 4-stroke diesel makes around 70Nm per litre (irrespective
of the fuel system).  If the engine happens to be made in India, the
more pertinent question might be... how long for?  :)

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Toby_Ponsenby - 15 Jun 2007 12:00 GMT
John_H blathered on in Re: The new "Mahindra":

>>http://www.carpoint.com.au/car-review/2688752.aspx>
>>Engine weak and torque less for a common rail turbo diesel.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> of the fuel system).  If the engine happens to be made in India, the
> more pertinent question might be... how long for?  :)

Hmm, and what the hell's wrong with 1 Bar for a Diesel, anyway.
Shouldn't hurt them at all.
Unless of course the cooling system is crap.

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John_H - 15 Jun 2007 22:03 GMT
>John_H blathered on in Re: The new "Mahindra":
>>>http://www.carpoint.com.au/car-review/2688752.aspx>
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>Shouldn't hurt them at all.
>Unless of course the cooling system is crap.

Nothing wrong with it at all, but you're not likely to find many utes
designed for peasants (or anyone else for that matter) running 1bar.
Around 0.5 is par for the course... which was the point I was hoping
to make.

At least to those who have some grasp of the significance of torque.

Back in the days when the majority of their readers had some
understanding of things technical, car magazines even used to include
bmep in their road test specs (which actually tells you something
about an engine's design).  The practice ended in the 1960's or
thereabouts, when such publications became nothing more than an
adjunct to masturbation for stockbrokers' clerks and the likes.  To
make matters worse, motoring writers (and car salesmen) now go to the
same schools as stockbrokers' clerks.

Will these poor misguided folk ever wake up to the fact that maximum
torque (quoted in isolation) is nothing more than a w.nk factor!  ;-)

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Dan--- - 16 Jun 2007 01:24 GMT
>>http://www.carpoint.com.au/car-review/2688752.aspx>
>>Engine weak and torque less for a common rail turbo diesel.
>>247 nm my farts have more torque than this thing. :-)
>
> What sort of torque would you expect from a 2.5 litre diesel hack?

At least over 300 nm which I have seen in many 2.5 litre hacks!

> This one has a specific torque figure of 99Nm per litre... which is
> consistent with a boost of around 0.43at.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> of the fuel system).  If the engine happens to be made in India, the
> more pertinent question might be... how long for?  :)

Don't ask me I have a hangover!

:-p

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