Hi all,
I was tightening the head bolts on my boat's 350 chev (or 327 or 307,
could be anything) with a brand new torque wrench and it never
'clicked' when it reached the correct torque, so silly me just kept
turning until the thread stripped (i only did this on one bolt until i
realised the torque wrench wasn't 'broken in'). Please don't laugh,
i've never done this before.
I'm assuming it stripped the thread in the cast iron block. This is
for the centremost bolt on the fuel pump side.
Is there anything i can do to fix this? Can i leave it as-is, with all
the other bolts done correctly?
I hope i don't need to replace the block.
Cheers - Chris
Patrick - 22 Jun 2007 09:27 GMT
> Hi all,
> I was tightening the head bolts on my boat's 350 chev (or 327 or 307,
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>
> Is there anything i can do to fix this?
Yes. There are thread repair kits. Helicoil and the like.
Can i leave it as-is, with all
> the other bolts done correctly?
In theory, no. In practice, I've seen it done but only on engines that
never ran at full power. And they ended up self destructing after a few
years anyway. (Not necessarily from the head not being on enough, it may
have been that overheating wrecked the threads AND caused other problems).
> I hope i don't need to replace the block.
> Cheers - Chris
John_H - 22 Jun 2007 09:29 GMT
>Is there anything i can do to fix this? Can i leave it as-is, with all
>the other bolts done correctly?
You'll need to remove the head and repair the thread. Helicoil type
inserts are the go... you can either buy a kit and do it yourself
(Recoil is probably the most common brand) or have a machine shop
(engine reconditioner) do it for you.

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Cyborg 0091 - 22 Jun 2007 10:01 GMT
> Hi all,
> I was tightening the head bolts on my boat's 350 chev (or 327 or 307,
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> I'm assuming it stripped the thread in the cast iron block. This is
> for the centremost bolt on the fuel pump side.
wouldn't be handy if you striped the bolt,pretty unlikey with cast ...lol
> Is there anything i can do to fix this? Can i leave it as-is, with all
> the other bolts done correctly?
Blow between....not a great idea,its possible,you may run into
problems,normally there are only just enough of those head bolts.
Then again with 20 plus bolts to the head,you may be in luck.
Leave it out and try it,as long as it don't look like the head is going
to warp,even though it possibly will a bit,you have not much to loose.
It may runs for years.
If you were just retension and not replacing its your best shot to leave
it there without the bolt.
could be lots of fun if it fails while on the water ...lol
Helicoil works,hate em but they they work in places like that...off
comes the head.....
> I hope i don't need to replace the block.
> Cheers - Chris
Noddy - 22 Jun 2007 11:28 GMT
> Leave it out and try it,as long as it don't look like the head is going to
> warp,even though it possibly will a bit,you have not much to loose.
> It may runs for years.
*Don't* leave it out :)
The head bolt holes are not blind, and coolant/water will piss everywhere if
you run the engine with a bolt missing.
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Regards,
Noddy.
Cyborg 0091 - 23 Jun 2007 04:31 GMT
>>Leave it out and try it,as long as it don't look like the head is going to
>>warp,even though it possibly will a bit,you have not much to loose.
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> Regards,
> Noddy.
we are aware of that noddy.
Noddy - 23 Jun 2007 05:06 GMT
> we are aware of that noddy.
So, leaving the bolt out and having coolant/water piss all over the place is
an acceptable solution?
Thank f.ck I'll never be in a position to have you repair anything I own :)
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Regards,
Noddy.
Cyborg 0091 - 23 Jun 2007 10:26 GMT
>>we are aware of that noddy.
>
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> Regards,
> Noddy.
It might have to be.
Noddy I steer clear of people like you,For one if they get over the
rough cobble stone road to my shop,they still have to meet stringant
anti credit and approval rules.
All my repairs are subject to the amount of money available in the bank
acount and the means by which the repair must be made,so just forget
your 21 point service or safty check.
If you need to vehicle to run and need it now,I am the person to see.
You really should join the ACCC collector club,It there for people like
you.You will meet alot of like minded people with the same sob story.
All restorations are done at my approval,If they make the owner look
good and me look good,and we can work together they are go ahead.
I am sorry it has to be like this.
If it can brake it will
DAvid - 25 Jun 2007 01:13 GMT
>> Leave it out and try it,as long as it don't look like the head is going
>> to warp,even though it possibly will a bit,you have not much to loose.
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> Regards,
> Noddy.
That is exactly what will happen. A helicoil will fix your problem fairly
easily. You should also consider why the stud broke in the first place as
they are very high tensile steel and it might be a warning to replace all
studs. Also, check your tension wrench settings if you know how.
DAVO
Noddy - 25 Jun 2007 01:23 GMT
> That is exactly what will happen. A helicoil will fix your problem fairly
> easily. You should also consider why the stud broke in the first place as
> they are very high tensile steel and it might be a warning to replace all
> studs. Also, check your tension wrench settings if you know how.
He didn't break a stud, but pulled a head bolt thread in the block by
over-tightening the bolt.
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Regards,
Noddy.
Noddy - 22 Jun 2007 11:25 GMT
> Is there anything i can do to fix this?
Pull the head off and have someone helicoil the stripped hole.
> Can i leave it as-is, with all the other bolts done correctly?
Not if you ever want it to hold a head gasket properly.
> I hope i don't need to replace the block.
Not for a stripped bolt you won't.
A helicoil will take care of it in a jiffy and work just fine, and the 7/16"
UNC kits can be had over the counter at most auto parts outlets or bolt &/or
bearing suppliers, but it's not something I'd recommend you do you're not
competent at cutting threads straight. Take the block to your local mechanic
or engine reconditioner and ask them to throw one in for you, as it only
takes a few minutes.
If you plan on keeping the factory bolts and using them often, then consider
helicoiling *all* the head bolt holes, or, better yet, get yourself a top
end stud kit and throw the standard head bolts in the nearest bin.
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Regards,
Noddy.
Daryl Walford - 22 Jun 2007 11:49 GMT
> Hi all,
> I was tightening the head bolts on my boat's 350 chev (or 327 or 307,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> I'm assuming it stripped the thread in the cast iron block. This is
> for the centremost bolt on the fuel pump side.
Have you removed the stripped bolt?
Maybe the bolt is damaged and the block is OK, the only way to know is
to remove the bolt.
Even if its just the bolt you will probably still need to remove the
head to clean out the thread but that isn't a big deal and will only
cost you a bit of time and a couple of gaskets.
> Is there anything i can do to fix this?
Helicoils as others have mentioned.
Can i leave it as-is, with all
> the other bolts done correctly?
Bad idea.
> I hope i don't need to replace the block.
Very unlikely.
Daryl
chris.hulbert@gmail.com - 23 Jun 2007 01:06 GMT
Thanks for the quick answers guys. Much appreciated.
Seems like consensus is to use the helicoil, or leave the bolt in and
not rev it too much, which is possible given that it is in a boat.
I'll call one of those mobile bolt removal guys and see how much they
charge to put a 7/16" UNC helicoil in.
John McKenzie - 23 Jun 2007 06:23 GMT
> Thanks for the quick answers guys. Much appreciated.
> Seems like consensus is to use the helicoil, or leave the bolt in and
> not rev it too much,
NO - absolutely don't do that (and I only used capitals in the no to
highlight it, not to hang sh.t on you)
> which is possible given that it is in a boat.
let's see, it'll possibly seep coolant as a result. that's best case. If
it is left for long, it'll blow the head gasket. that can amongst other
things end up letting water into the oil and f.cking the whole engine
before you know it. Aside from uneven clamping and the possibility of a
head gasket failure, it could also potentially put enough uneven stress
on the head to make it more prone to cracking (though on that front the
chevy heads are usually fairly good)
> I'll call one of those mobile bolt removal guys and see how much they
> charge to put a 7/16" UNC helicoil in.
One other thing - even if you don't go to studs, at the very least run a
new set of bolts. I haven't priced them but they couldn't be much.
And whilst the head is off, get them to see if they can check the other
threads in the block on that side (or both if you are keen).
If there are others that are borderline, it'll cost twice as much to
have to re-do it a second time, for gaskets etc alone. More to the
point, some of the 'bill' from the thread fixer upperer would be a call
out charge, and possibly some other set amount added. Each extra
helicoil fitted wouldn't be the same price - i.e. it might be say $50-75
to get them to come and do 1, and only say $10 for each extra one. At
the very least enquire about this before deciding.

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tipsy@beerlover.com - 23 Jun 2007 07:22 GMT
> Thanks for the quick answers guys. Much appreciated.
> Seems like consensus is to use the helicoil, or leave the bolt in and
> not rev it too much, which is possible given that it is in a boat.
> I'll call one of those mobile bolt removal guys and see how much they
> charge to put a 7/16" UNC helicoil in.
You might find a helicoil guy close to you. Just take the head to him. Much cheaper that way.
John McKenzie - 23 Jun 2007 01:30 GMT
> Hi all,
> I was tightening the head bolts on my boat's 350 chev (or 327 or 307,
> could be anything) with a brand new torque wrench and it never
> 'clicked' when it reached the correct torque, so silly me just kept
> turning until the thread stripped (i only did this on one bolt until i
> realised the torque wrench wasn't 'broken in')
Here's the thing - nobody is pointing fingers because you stripped the
thread, but torque wrenches don't need breaking in. They are supposed to
be tested and calibrated before being sent out from the manufacturer,
and if they needed 'breaking in' they couldn't possibly check them.
There's something wrong with the torque wrench. At best it had been
sitting for years and had seized a little (unlikely) or it's got a fault
and somehow made it through quality control (which is close to
non-existant if it's made in china).
In my honest opinion, it's one of the few areas not to penny pinch. You
can get away with less than ideal breaker bars and ratchets, but sockets
themselves should be as good as you can afford (and I note that not all
are available individually, but you get my drift) and torque wrenches
are another area.
At the very least, enquire at your local repco or tool specialist if
they can get it calibrated for you (actually I'd seriously suggest
taking it back, with stripped bolt and demanding a refund or
replacement, the former preferably. I'm not even going to joke that
they'd be keen to give you a helicoil kit free, but they should
(whomever you bought it from) at the very least honour the warranty.
>. Please don't laugh,
> i've never done this before.
You're hardly the first. The fact is the block isn't new, and it's been
through who knows how many builds and heads and owners. I remember one
engine I helped a friend with (that pretty much ended the friendship,
and it wasn't all his fault) due to stuff like that.
The last straw was when just about to start it and run the cam in.
turned on the starter, the motor kicked back a little (timing was as
close as we could get without actually starting it!) and thje starter
motor ripped out of the block. both those threads had only a few mm that
weren't ripped out, and it 'seemed' fine when bolting it in (I'm
generally not one to overtighten) but tjhat was it- on it's last legs.
> I'm assuming it stripped the thread in the cast iron block. This is
> for the centremost bolt on the fuel pump side.
Take the bolt out (it'll be ok to do that with the others left in at
whatever tension they are, but _don't_ try and run it like that.
> Is there anything i can do to fix this? Can i leave it as-is, with all
> the other bolts done correctly?
heli-coil
They are 'magical' . basically the kit comes with a special tap. After
drilling (hence you need the head off to do this and tape up the bores
and all other holes too, to prevent metal shavings getting anywhere)
with the right drill bit (they list the right size for each helicoil,
and measure with a micrometer or vernier, don't take the size stamped on
the drill bit as gospel - and it's the one time that this measurement is
absolutely vital) you then put the tap in and it will cut a new thread
that's a special oversize.
then you wind in the helicoil - it's like a spring, with diamond shaped
metal. It winds into the new thread that's cut then on it's inside it
ends up as the size of the original bolt thread. A perfect repair
(there's a touch more it, but that's the basic rundown)
Properly done, a helicoiled insert can be stronger than the original
thread. That's on cast iron. It's more than doubly so on alloy. On
volkswagens they used to have threads in teh alloy cases. and they used
to rip out. They used helicoils to fix, and soon enough the factory used
to actually make the blocks and fit the inserts there, as a matter of
standard procedure. They weren't generally called helicoils, they were
referred to as case-savers. Lets you know how good they work.
Also - I second Noddy - bolts going in and out of the block all the time
will wear it down. It's far better to run studs. Then you screw them in
(just a nip past hand tight) and tension via nuts at the top. That way
only the nut turns on the thread of the stud, and the stud in the block
doesn't move, so it only wears the stud top thread and the nut. It'll
generally last a number of rebuilds, but even if it didn't, you can
replace the studs, and the threads actually in the block suffer zero
wear.
> I hope i don't need to replace the block.
Even if all of the head bolt threads in the block were stripped, you'd
be able to save it. the helicoil kits come with about 10-12 helicoils
(and the tap and installation tool) for the price, and you can then just
buy replacement coils themselves. It wouldn't cost _that_ much to do a
whole block if need be.
Having said that, I doubt it would be necessary.

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Noddy - 23 Jun 2007 03:04 GMT
> In my honest opinion, it's one of the few areas not to penny pinch. You
> can get away with less than ideal breaker bars and ratchets, but sockets
> themselves should be as good as you can afford (and I note that not all
> are available individually, but you get my drift) and torque wrenches
> are another area.
Agreed.
Buying a cheap torque wrench is like buying a cheap parachute.
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