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http://www.topspeed.com/cars/nissan/nissan-skyline-gt-r-preview-ar10779/picture9 0062-90.html > http://www.topspeed.com/cars/nissan/nissan-skyline-gt-r-preview-ar10779/picture9 0062-90.html Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. As an aside R34 GTRs are still asking around the $90k mark here. I'm amazed how well they have held their value. Fraser >> http://www.topspeed.com/cars/nissan/nissan-skyline-gt-r-preview-ar10779/picture9 0062-90.html > > Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. As an aside R34 GTRs are still asking around the $90k > mark here. I'm amazed how well they have held their value. > > Fraser <Ding> They're down to low fifties.. as direct imports. I'm hoping they'll drop A Lot when the new GT-R hits the streets. And there's someone here waiting, waiting..waiting... IMHO, the R34 GT-R is probably the best production car built at a reasonable price, bar none, with the possible exception of the R32 Golf. __ Toby >>> http://www.topspeed.com/cars/nissan/nissan-skyline-gt-r-preview- > ar10779/picture90062-90.html [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > IMHO, the R34 GT-R is probably the best production car built at a > reasonable price, bar none, with the possible exception of the R32 Golf. I still love the R32 GTR, still the best IMO.  SignatureIs God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? - Epicurus >>>> http://www.topspeed.com/cars/nissan/nissan-skyline-gt-r-preview- >> ar10779/picture90062-90.html [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > I still love the R32 GTR, still the best IMO. Agreed to the extent that they're lighter than the next porky device. I suspect R34 lost weight by going to thin(er) gauge Hi-Ten or something similar in the steel catalogue. That 'might' mean they won't bother rusting. I hope. But the toys on R34 are velly velly nice;-) __ Toby >>>>> http://www.topspeed.com/cars/nissan/nissan-skyline-gt-r-preview- >>> ar10779/picture90062-90.html [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > I hope. > But the toys on R34 are velly velly nice;-) Oh, I like the R34 too... BUT the R32 is the one for me, looks so much better IMO. I'm sure the 34 has improvements over the 32, but still... SignatureIs God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? - Epicurus On Jul 25, 7:57 pm, Je?us <n...@all.org> wrote: > >>>http://www.topspeed.com/cars/nissan/nissan-skyline-gt-r-preview- > > ar10779/picture90062-90.html [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > I still love the R32 GTR, still the best IMO. Thank you! Have just bought a R32 GTS 4-door (RWD)..............in auto!!! Beautiful 2.0 litre STRAIGHT six turbo. May convert to manual down the track (conversion kit costs about $900 + fitting) but was specifically after an auto as they tend to be completely standard and better looked after than the manuals. Also, wanted 4 doors and the later R33 looks like a fatter Bluebird. Paid $8500, 1991 model, pretty much immaculate with 64,000kms and full service history (in Hong Kong - even if the K's are fake, the condition of the paint / interior / steering-wheel leather suggest it wouldn't be far off), standard 16" wheels, sunroof, 12 months rego. Can't f.cking wait ; D ( http://www.automarket.com.au/vehicle.asp?vehicleNo=155977 ) JB56........ricer!!!! > -- > Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > - Epicurus >> >>>http://www.topspeed.com/cars/nissan/nissan-skyline-gt-r-preview- >> > ar10779/picture90062-90.html [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >> >> - Epicurus You've seen the light. Even if it's provided by little syphilitic monkeys. anyhow, Suk sh.t, knuckledraggers:-) __ Toby On Jul 25, 7:57 pm, Jeßus <n...@all.org> wrote: > Toby_Ponsenby wrote: > > On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:15:34 +0800, Fraser Johnston Blathered on: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > I still love the R32 GTR, still the best IMO. Thank you! Have just bought a R32 GTS 4-door (RWD)..............in auto!!! Beautiful 2.0 litre STRAIGHT six turbo. May convert to manual down the track (conversion kit costs about $900 + fitting) but was specifically after an auto as they tend to be completely standard and better looked after than the manuals. Also, wanted 4 doors and the later R33 looks like a fatter Bluebird. Paid $8500, 1991 model, pretty much immaculate with 64,000kms and full service history (in Hong Kong - even if the K's are fake, the condition of the paint / interior / steering-wheel leather suggest it wouldn't be far off), standard 16" wheels, sunroof, 12 months rego. Can't f.cking wait ; D ( http://www.automarket.com.au/vehicle.asp?vehicleNo=155977 ) JB56........ricer!!!! > -- I was very tempted by an R32 GTR again but figured with my son in a baby seat still I just couldn't handle a 2 door car. Fraser > I was very tempted by an R32 GTR again but figured with my son in a baby seat > still I just couldn't handle a 2 door car. My ideal GTR would be a four door. I wonder if it would it be viable to drop an entire GTR driveline into a GTS, would it be an almost bolt in job or some serious mods required? SignatureIs God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? - Epicurus >> I was very tempted by an R32 GTR again but figured with my son in a >> baby seat still I just couldn't handle a 2 door car. > > My ideal GTR would be a four door. > I wonder if it would it be viable to drop an entire GTR driveline into a > GTS, would it be an almost bolt in job or some serious mods required? You can buy one already built. That is, the 4 Door Skylines with GTR running gear. Most interesting devices. There's usually no rear spoiler - the only give-away is the monster intercooler intake as for GTR's. Company called AUTEC does them with Nissans Blessing - they provide NEW components for the jobbie. IIRC, Warranty was as for GTR. AUTEC also build ambulance and other special purpose stuff, so building sleepers isn't all they do to keep themselves afloat. There's also a factory AWD GTS-T sedan variant of Skyline about - it gets the GTS 2.5 T engine. Still pretty decent. Possibly a Stagea driveline in them. __ Toby >>> I was very tempted by an R32 GTR again but figured with my son in a >>> baby seat still I just couldn't handle a 2 door car. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > the GTS 2.5 T engine. Still pretty decent. > Possibly a Stagea driveline in them. Thanks for the info. I spotted an R33 4 door on eBay with GTR running gear... I think I'll take my time and educate myself about the GTS/Rs over the next few months, with an eye to picking one up around the new year. Not many in black either... I want black, dammit! :) SignatureIs God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? - Epicurus >>>> I was very tempted by an R32 GTR again but figured with my son in a >>>> baby seat still I just couldn't handle a 2 door car. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > months, with an eye to picking one up around the new year. Not many in > black either... I want black, dammit! :) Yes, well - there's ebay, and then there's decent sources of machinery. There's a plenty who believe ebay is the ideal method of offloading complete junk. And they're the sellers. The Jap auctions and generally second-hand market appear to be so bloody busy there's little chance to build up fakes. That's not to say it ain't worth it, though - there's a shitload of stuff coming here with doctored speedos and loaded with aftermarket gear that simply doesn't seem to fit the usage the cars with it on them got. I've been speculating about that for some years, because we direct imported a car, and it was completely and utterly genuine in terms of what we bid.for and what we got. In fact we got a shitload of benefit, because the car, a GTiR, is actually a Nismo pack and had an interesting clutch assy, different suspension, turbo (complete with restrictor and very high waste-gate setting) and computer settings and a few other tricks fitted that simply aren't part of a stock GTiR. Now, that car went directly form the auction to the boat. No 'dealer' got their paws on it at all. It' almost seemed that the speedo hadn't be wound back. Well, not by a lot, anyway:-) Damage was inflicted on the (real magnesium) wheeels that looks very like fuckwits thrashing the thing up and down the ramps on the ship - else round the wharves here (or Japan) while the car was supposedly in bond. Another thing. If you're importing a car, find out exactly what needs to be done compliance-wise, and *Do_It_Yourself* Organize your own engineering inspection. Either that or set up camp beside the car the whole time it's in the care of the compliance workshop. Also do whatever you can to keep the car out of the hands of the Kiwis who seem to infest the import game around these parts. Hang on - there's more. If you go to buy an import at a yard here in an attempt to avoid those turds on the public payroll who are extremely unpleasant to deal with at the best of times, here's how to avoid bait and switch tricks which are de rigeur in the industry.. Take cash money. Force them to hand over the car you decide on right there and then. Reason? You'll be shown and allowed to test what's called a demo. You'll be offered a couple of extras for free, or 'cheap'. This will necessitate a visit to the workshop, of course, where everything but the dust in the door jams will be changed over to shite parts in the twinkling of an eye. This includes major components that provide motive force to the machine. It is a popular gag with yards that specialize in particular models. You've been warned;-) __ Toby > Yes, well - there's ebay, and then there's decent sources of machinery. > There's a plenty who believe ebay is the ideal method of offloading > complete junk. And they're the sellers. What crap :) Ebay is no different to any other mass audience outlet in that there are some bargains and some over priced rubbish. The key to picking bargains (in any area) is knowing the value of your product and being able to tell sh.t from shoe polish. -- Regards, Noddy. >> Yes, well - there's ebay, and then there's decent sources of machinery. >> There's a plenty who believe ebay is the ideal method of offloading [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > (in any area) is knowing the value of your product and being able to > tell sh.t from shoe polish. Hehe - right. So you can tell the difference between a faked up memory module and a real one before you get it in your PC? The point with ebay is that there's a feedback gag that tends to point out that the seller is genuine or otherwise. And that's all you get. If you *do* know the difference between sh.t and shoe polish - fine - but you don't need to - because I have it on reliable authority that both will polish shoes, because a mate of mine actually bought a can of sh.t - brown, I think - branded as shoe polish. It worked a treat - and he only figured out the problem when dogs began following him about when he wore the brown shoes. He put in some negative feedback, but no-one believed him. Seller is thriving and business has expanded to the point that apparently has has a contract with his local RSPCA and Pounds. Really... __ Toby > Hehe - right. > So you can tell the difference between a faked up memory module and a > real one before you get it in your PC? Nope, but I can't tell the difference when buying one from the market either, and that's the point. If you're gonna get shafted, you can get shafted *anywhere*. Not just on ebay. > The point with ebay is that there's a feedback gag that tends to point > out that the seller is genuine or otherwise. And that's all you get. What do you get anywhere else? > If you *do* know the difference between sh.t and shoe polish - fine - but > you don't need to - because I have it on reliable authority that both [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > contract with his local RSPCA and Pounds. > Really... Yeah, right :) -- Regards, Noddy. > Yes, well - there's ebay, and then there's decent sources of machinery. > There's a plenty who believe ebay is the ideal method of offloading > complete junk. And they're the sellers. I have disagree with that, sorry. End of the day, there's nothing forcing anyone to hand over the cash if you're not happy with the car you bid on eBay for. My last two cars were bought off of eBay, and both were a good deal. If anything, eBay is a bad place to sell a car, and works in the buyers favour. My last purchase was an '95 Impreza wagon in VG cond for 4 grand. > The Jap auctions and generally second-hand market appear to be so bloody > busy there's little chance to build up fakes. [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > You've been warned;-) What a minefield :\ I'll keep that all in mind, take my time and keep on researching before committing, thanks. SignatureIs God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? - Epicurus >> I was very tempted by an R32 GTR again but figured with my son in a >> baby seat still I just couldn't handle a 2 door car. > > My ideal GTR would be a four door. > I wonder if it would it be viable to drop an entire GTR driveline into a > GTS, would it be an almost bolt in job or some serious mods required? What you want is a GTS4. It had the GTR 4wd driveline with the RB20 engine. There's quite a few getting around these days with RB25 and RB26 engines bolted in. >>> I was very tempted by an R32 GTR again but figured with my son in a >>> baby seat still I just couldn't handle a 2 door car. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > engine. There's quite a few getting around these days with RB25 and RB26 > engines bolted in. Thanks Patrick. SignatureIs God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? - Epicurus > >> I was very tempted by an R32 GTR again but figured with my son in a > >> baby seat still I just couldn't handle a 2 door car. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > engine. There's quite a few getting around these days with RB25 and RB26 > engines bolted in. Surely there's more to a real GTR than just a bigger engine? They were an absolute weapon in their day and were considered very special even against the lofty standards set by makers like Porsche, Ferrari et al. If the only difference was 60 odd Kw then everyone would have been salivating over the GTS-4's as well. They weren't. Although I loved the drive of both the GTS & GTS-4, and found them to be both taut & agile with a wonderful sounding and surprisingly powerful 2.0l turbo six (apparently 160Kw!), more power alone would not have turned a GTS into anything that could have blown everyone away or earned such a formidable reputation like a real Godzilla. BTW because I wasn't specifically looking for a GTR I didn't bother researching what ALL the differences were between that and the lesser models, and generally stayed clear of anything that had been modified. I would however love to be proved wrong ; ) >>>> I was very tempted by an R32 GTR again but figured with my son in a >>>> baby seat still I just couldn't handle a 2 door car. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Surely there's more to a real GTR than just a bigger engine? Ah. I took Patrick's comment to me that the GTS4's driveline had the 4WD/4WS etc? So the GTS4 lacks this? SignatureIs God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? - Epicurus > >>>> I was very tempted by an R32 GTR again but figured with my son in a > >>>> baby seat still I just couldn't handle a 2 door car. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > 4WD/4WS etc? > So the GTS4 lacks this? To be honest I don't actually know ; ) The car I bought is just RWD, but I drove a few AWD's, and I must say I didn't notice any rear-wheel-steer (it might just be a passive setup). Surely the GTR would have things like tricky diffs, stronger chassis' etc, or some other hardware to set it apart? > -- > Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > - Epicurus >> >>>> I was very tempted by an R32 GTR again but figured with my son in >> >>>> a baby seat still I just couldn't handle a 2 door car. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > like tricky diffs, stronger chassis' etc, or some other hardware to set > it apart? Seems GTR gets variable and driver selectable torgue split and also gets 4WS in some specifications. The GTRs raced raced here were the top spec models *with* 4WS - but that was simply disconnected. Gibson said he'd enough headaches setting them up without playing with the rear wheel steering. My bet he would have if they looked like being topped, though:-) That being said, there'd be a fair few techo differences in the machines under discussion - probably or the 'incremental' type - and you wouldn't know what the hell they were until you copped a lack of supercession when you went to replace bits. Most obvious difference is the engine, natch. BTW I reckon we found out what the Japs were really up to with GTR when they produced that spec N model. __ Toby >>>>>> I was very tempted by an R32 GTR again but figured with my son in a >>>>>> baby seat still I just couldn't handle a 2 door car. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I didn't notice any rear-wheel-steer (it might just be a passive > setup). My Prelude had 4WS, and initially was noticably different when going through roundabouts and the like, but it was *always* very, very noticable when reversing. It is an over-used phrase, but that car really drove like it was on rails... the Skyline is a bigger/heavier car, but even so I'm hoping it has similar handling (I havent driven a GTR to date). SignatureIs God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? - Epicurus On Jul 27, 9:52 am, Patrick <doctor...@bigfoot.com> wrote: > Jeßus wrote: > > Fraser Johnston wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > engine. There's quite a few getting around these days with RB25 and RB26 > engines bolted in. Surely there's more to a real GTR than just a bigger engine? They were an absolute weapon in their day and were considered very special even against the lofty standards set by makers like Porsche, Ferrari et al. If the only difference was 60 odd Kw then everyone would have been salivating over the GTS-4's as well. They weren't. Although I loved the drive of both the GTS & GTS-4, and found them to be both taut & agile with a wonderful sounding and surprisingly powerful 2.0l turbo six (apparently 160Kw!), more power alone would not have turned a GTS into anything that could have blown everyone away or earned such a formidable reputation like a real Godzilla. BTW because I wasn't specifically looking for a GTR I didn't bother researching what ALL the differences were between that and the lesser models, and generally stayed clear of anything that had been modified. I would however love to be proved wrong ; ) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Heaps of differences. The GTR was more like 225kw stock not the 208kw that was what the factory said it was to keep the Japanese gentlemens agreement in place. The GTR had a much beefier driveline, completely different engine and most of the panels were aluminium to save weight. Plus the guards were pumped out for bigger rubber and more track. The interior in the GTR is alacantra and has a different gauge cluster. Brakes are also bigger iirc. That is just off the top of my head. Fraser > On Jul 27, 9:52 am, Patrick <doctor...@bigfoot.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Fraser That sounds more like it ; ) Prolly a whole heap of detail differences too that aren't commonly known. So has your new car got internet as well? (How else would you be posting here when there's a new-4-U B4 in the driveway) : p That sounds more like it ; ) Prolly a whole heap of detail differences too that aren't commonly known. So has your new car got internet as well? (How else would you be posting here when there's a new-4-U B4 in the driveway) : p +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Subaru ownership this weekend has been a bit of a bitch. Got the car home friday night and started pulling the stereo out to put in a new double din dvd player. Got most of it apart and pulled the battery to solder in the constant power wire. After getting most of it hooked up I discovered the factory macintosh system (which sounds brilliant, best factory system I have ever heard) has a proprietry connector into the amp and speakers. At this point it was 11pm so I decided screw it I'm going to put the factory stereo back in and hook up the new deck later. So after getting that in I got to move the car and it won't accept my pin into the keypad alarm system. No sounds at all when you push the button. So I am spewing. I play around with it for a while and can't get it going and give up at 1am. So I get up at 8am and call the dealership I bought it from. They inform me there is no mechanics on duty all day and I have to call the 24 hour roadside support number. I call roadside support and they let me know that they can have a mechanic there within the hour. Not a problem I think. After an hour and 15 the guy turns up. Absolute monkey. No idea. He doesn't even look at it. I tell him alarm problem and he tells me I have to get it towed to Subaru and it will take 3 WEEKS for them to get the master code to unlock it. Bullshit says I and tell him to piss off because he is useless. He asks if I want a tow truck and I tell him no I'll call one later because I have to get to the gun club and I'm running late. Later that day I get a call from the roadsite assistance place telling me that the tow truck is at the top of the drive waiting for me?? So I end up borrowing my housemates barina (which is another total fag mobile) and do some running around. I get on the net when I get home and do some looking. I discover a procedure for bypassing the alarm and putting it in valet mode. At 9pm that night I get a mate to give me a hand with it because it is a two person job, one on the battery and the other on the keypad. We get it started but I only get 9 starts before I need to reset it again and whenever I drive I get the engine warning light flashing. So it is back to the dealers on Monday. I've driven about a total of 50ks in it. One a brighter note I bought a CBR1100XX tonight so it isn't all bad. Fraser > On Jul 25, 7:57 pm, Je?us <n...@all.org> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Heh, I nearly suggested one on that other thread. Thought you wanted something newer. Fraser, that bloody RB20 has to go - there's no problems getting an RB25 in there. :-) Cheers, Steve On Jul 26, 6:06 pm, "Fraser Johnston" <fra...@jcis.com.au> wrote: > "jackbadger56" <castl...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Heh, I nearly suggested one on that other thread. Thought you wanted something newer. Fraser, that bloody RB20 has to go - there's no problems getting an RB25 in there. :-) Cheers, Steve +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Bah RB25 I think you mean RB26DETT. Fraser >> I still love the R32 GTR, still the best IMO. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Can't f.cking wait ; D I envy you :) I also like the 4 door GTS, 'tis a shame they never made 4 door GTRs I reckon. Your idea about buying a manual has merit, I'll have to remember that. I'm seriously considering buying an R32 at the end of the year, undecided whether it will be a GTS or GTR. Not sure what chance I have of finding an immaculate, unmodified, non-flogged-to-death GTR though. I have a lot of research to do on the ins and outs, and what to look out for. > ( http://www.automarket.com.au/vehicle.asp?vehicleNo=155977 ) > JB56........ricer!!!! Hmm :) >>> I still love the R32 GTR, still the best IMO. >> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Hmm :) Pfft you old guys need to face it, you need some kind of wagon/people mover not a sports car ;) Just kidding - what about an M5 of a similar age? Similarly understated and almost as effective (well OK, not in the wet, but still, 4 doors...). Signature//Adam F >>>> I still love the R32 GTR, still the best IMO. >>> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Pfft you old guys need to face it, you need some kind of wagon/people > mover not a sports car ;) Get stuffed! :) > Just kidding - what about an M5 of a similar age? Similarly understated > and almost as effective (well OK, not in the wet, but still, 4 doors...). M5? I suppose... but theyre a lot less common and probably a whole lot more expensive? Theyre a nice car, but I really like the look of the R32 and it's always been one of my 'dream cars'. They seem to be going for bargain prices lately, at least in terms of bang for buck it'd be hard to do better I reckon. SignatureIs God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? - Epicurus > Not sure what chance I have of finding an immaculate, unmodified, > non-flogged-to-death GTR though. Pretty good. Think about it - actually flogging a GTR is an extremely dangerous business. If someone in Japan kept one quite stock and serviced it's be a shoe-in to be mechanically just fine. As I've said elsewhere, (I'm betting) there'll be quite a few very good GTR R34's about when the new GTR is released. Those that owned them just because,and only because, they're GTR's will upgrade. __ Toby >> Not sure what chance I have of finding an immaculate, unmodified, >> non-flogged-to-death GTR though. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > GTR R34's about when the new GTR is released. Those that owned them just > because,and only because, they're GTR's will upgrade. They are pretty sturdy things. Mine had a slight gearbox whine and some noise from the front hub bearings when I sold it. And it was running 1 bar of boost and got a kicking every day of it's life with me. Fraser >> Not sure what chance I have of finding an immaculate, unmodified, >> non-flogged-to-death GTR though. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > GTR R34's about when the new GTR is released. Those that owned them just > because,and only because, they're GTR's will upgrade. True. I guess just watch out for the ones that have been lowered... SignatureIs God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? - Epicurus |
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