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jackbadger56 - 22 Aug 2007 05:57 GMT
Jacob Saulwick, The Sydney Morning Herald, 22/08/07

Shopper dockets - which promise up to four cents a litre off petrol
prices - are "a sham" that help supermarket chains and oil companies
constrict competition at the bowser, a powerful new inquiry into
petrol prices has been told.

Since the docket system was introduced in 2003, the number of service
stations across the country has fallen by about a third, as businesses
that are not able to offer the discounts have been forced to close.

And the dockets deliver no real benefits to consumers, because
supermarkets increase grocery prices to offset the cheaper petrol, the
Australian Competition and Consumer Commission's latest inquiry into
petrol prices and the structure of the industry was told yesterday.

In the early 1970s there were some 20,000 petrol stations across
Australia.

There are now just 6000, and the number of stations not affiliated
with the big brands BP, Caltex, Mobil and Shell is decreasing from
about 7.5 per cent of the market.

"The reason we are concerned by the shopper-docket program is that is
one mechanism that supports that concentration," the senior policy
adviser at the National Association of Retail Grocers of Australia,
Gerard van Rijswijk, said.

"We have a sham system out there where people think they are getting a
discount. It's akin to predatory pricing, a sanctioned predatory
pricing."

The commission's latest inquiry into petrol prices was launched after
petrol companies were seen to be withholding cheaper international oil
prices from consumers.

The executive director of the Motor Trades Association, Michael
Delaney, said competition could be further eroded if Shell and Caltex,
with their supermarket partners Coles and Woolworths, increased their
share of the market. Shell and Caltex were using shopper-docket
schemes to drive out Mobil and BP, Mr Delaney suggested.

The chief executive officer of the Service Station Association, Ron
Bowden, said his organisation had tried to set up a rival shopper-
docket scheme. But the scheme had failed to attract much interest from
independent service stations, he said.

This prompted the commission's chairman, Graham Samuel, to say he
would not intervene just because independent stores did not put enough
effort in to set up their own scheme. "We are always reluctant to stop
processes occurring in the competitive market," he said.

Shopper dockets are just one of the new developments in the industry
which will be examined by the inquiry.

Underlining the sense of crisis felt by many independent service
stations, Mr Delaney said there would soon be no independent service
station operators left for him to represent. But Mr Samuel asked
whether having fewer independent stations would weaken competition.
Smaller players tended to have their prices set for them by large oil
suppliers, and as such did not add much "competitive tension" to the
industry.

The inquiry, which has unprecedented powers to compel witnesses to
give evidence, will hold 18 hearings in 12 cities.
OzOne - 22 Aug 2007 06:04 GMT
> Jacob Saulwick, The Sydney Morning Herald, 22/08/07
>
[quoted text clipped - 61 lines]
>The inquiry, which has unprecedented powers to compel witnesses to
>give evidence, will hold 18 hearings in 12 cities.

You weren't aware of this?
jackbadger56 - 22 Aug 2007 06:10 GMT
> > Jacob Saulwick, The Sydney Morning Herald, 22/08/07
>
[quoted text clipped - 63 lines]
>
> You weren't aware of this?

I am aware of just how short a time will pass before you regret that
statement, Plato.
OzOne - 22 Aug 2007 07:28 GMT
>> You weren't aware of this?
>
>I am aware of just how short a time will pass before you regret that
>statement, Plato.

It's a question numbnuts!

And I'm very aware that you're regretting putting pinky to keyboard as
you read this......Bwaaahahahahhahahahhahaa!
Just JT - 22 Aug 2007 07:48 GMT
> It's a question numbnuts!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
If I shop at Franklins I would save at least $10. So those 4cpl discount
dockets are a scam.

--
Shop.around:don't.be.blinded.by.reward.offering.BS.
duncanmcrae@my-dejanews.com - 22 Aug 2007 07:29 GMT
>  Jacob Saulwick, The Sydney Morning Herald, 22/08/07
>
> Shopper dockets - which promise up to four cents a litre off petrol
> prices - are "a sham" that help supermarket chains and oil companies
> constrict competition at the bowser, a powerful new inquiry into
> petrol prices has been told.

well... derrrrr

> The inquiry, which has unprecedented powers to compel witnesses to
> give evidence, will hold 18 hearings in 12 cities.

 As for all such gasbag taxpayer-funded, lawyer-funding inquiries,
the conclusions will be blindingly obvious to all but the most stupid.
jonz - 22 Aug 2007 09:44 GMT
>>  Jacob Saulwick, The Sydney Morning Herald, 22/08/07
>>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>   As for all such gasbag taxpayer-funded, lawyer-funding inquiries,
> the conclusions will be blindingly obvious to all but the most stupid.

   since you have advance notice......what is the outcome ???? waiting
with bated breath...............
Simon Templar - 22 Aug 2007 07:33 GMT
I DO wish you people would learn to snip.
Vintage Monk - 22 Aug 2007 08:48 GMT
> I DO wish you people would learn to snip.

Oh look, it's David Springthorpe, the man that has never made an on
topic post in any group telling someone the rules of USENET.

DYRKYM?
Daryl Walford - 22 Aug 2007 09:28 GMT
>  Jacob Saulwick, The Sydney Morning Herald, 22/08/07
>
> Shopper dockets - which promise up to four cents a litre off petrol
> prices - are "a sham" that help supermarket chains and oil companies
> constrict competition at the bowser, a powerful new inquiry into
> petrol prices has been told.

I wonder why they needed an inquiry into something that 99% of motorists
figured out within days of the scam being introduced?

Daryl
news - 23 Aug 2007 00:55 GMT
> I wonder why they needed an inquiry into something that 99% of motorists
> figured out within days of the scam being introduced?

because of the bogan dole dropkicks who won't stop whinging and reminiscing
about the days of 50c fuel-and the fact that they have to use their
government-given pokie money for petrol.

think about it, every docket has a barcode, scanned when you buy fuel.
so they know what days & times you buy fuel, where from, how much, what fuel
you use in your car, how long you waited to use the docket, and everything
you bought at the shops.
The amount of people who get dockets is very high compared to the amount of
people who use them. So WW is less 'out of pocket' from printing them here.

over time there is a clear link between certain high-volume goods eg milk,
bread, coke and people who use the shopper dockets. those items go up by a
few cents each, and the end result is much more profit than you'd think.
they also place these same high-vol items in the convenience sites, and
charge a little less than other local servos. so you'll go there to get your
coke because it's cheaper, they still make profit, other servos are further
in the red. Success!

Most bogans save 70c on $20 fuel, or maybe $2 on a full tank, and are happy
with this discount. They've spent $30 to get that voucher.

Doesn't take a whole lot of brain to figure out but the Department of
Wasting Taxpayers Money has decreed this inquiry necessary, now that WW
Petrol makes more money than Big W.

-mark
dale-google@monsya.net - 23 Aug 2007 05:52 GMT
<snip>

> Most bogans save 70c on $20 fuel, or maybe $2 on a full tank, and are happy
> with this discount. They've spent $30 to get that voucher.

You think they're bogans... I buy at the closest Coles and don't even
use the discount vouchers as I prefer to buy at BP or Mobil.

I guess I must be their best customer as I pay more and don't ask for
a discount on fuel.

> Doesn't take a whole lot of brain to figure out but the Department of
> Wasting Taxpayers Money has decreed this inquiry necessary, now that WW
> Petrol makes more money than Big W.
>
> -mark
a t e c 7 7 - 23 Aug 2007 06:20 GMT
> <snip>
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>>
>> -mark

I buy e10 most of the time , and aldi products or grow it , wtf would
you buy anything at woolies apart from woofybiks ?
John_H - 23 Aug 2007 06:45 GMT
>I buy e10 most of the time , and aldi products or grow it , wtf would
>you buy anything at woolies apart from woofybiks ?

WTF would you buy your woofybiks at Woolies... stock and station
agents are cheaper.

You can also save a bit more if you only feed 'em once a week...
whether they're hungry or not.

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a t e c 7 7 - 23 Aug 2007 09:24 GMT
>> I buy e10 most of the time , and aldi products or grow it , wtf would
>> you buy anything at woolies apart from woofybiks ?
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> You can also save a bit more if you only feed 'em once a week...
> whether they're hungry or not.

$11.25 per 15kg .. abd convenient 'cause its right next to aldi
Pete - 23 Aug 2007 08:19 GMT
> reminiscing about the days of 50c fuel

A litre?  I reminisce about when it was 50c a *gallon*!

Peter
Graeme Willox - 23 Aug 2007 08:33 GMT
>> reminiscing about the days of 50c fuel
>
> A litre?  I reminisce about when it was 50c a *gallon*!
>
> Peter

And very few servos were 24 hours.  After hours, you could use the coin
pump which accepted 20 cent pieces, up to a maximum of $2 at any one
time.  (With the column of green lights which lit up each time you
inserted a coin)
a t e c 7 7 - 23 Aug 2007 09:52 GMT
>>> reminiscing about the days of 50c fuel
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> time.  (With the column of green lights which lit up each time you
> inserted a coin)
AH the days of lead slug made from stripped roof edging :)
David Z - 28 Aug 2007 17:37 GMT
> There are now just 6000, and the number of stations not affiliated
> with the big brands BP, Caltex, Mobil and Shell is decreasing from
> about 7.5 per cent of the market.

Exxon/Texaco/Caltex and Mobil are the same thing.  Are there only 3 major
oil companies who sell petrol in this country?!  Surely we could do with
more competition than that.  What about Chevron?
ReSiN8oR - 31 Aug 2007 12:54 GMT
>> There are now just 6000, and the number of stations not affiliated
>> with the big brands BP, Caltex, Mobil and Shell is decreasing from
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> oil companies who sell petrol in this country?!  Surely we could do with
> more competition than that.  What about Chevron?

Another US originated/based multinational to help fleece more money from
this country... Yeah right...
 
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