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Sad tale, the red Sherpa was to go to a 18 year old kid, next door. I sent it in for a road worthy and it failed due to structual rust. There was no way I would "bodgy" that car and sell it to said teenager, if it collapsed and killed the owner, I'd never be able to live with it. So the thing is now on e-bay. it ahs to be the best looking rust bucket on the market. Subaru did a stupid thing by fitting four water outlets from the factory sunroof, that dunp water into the body sills!!! I have also decided not to fix the yellow one either, it will go later on E-bay, along with all the spares. I have had a gutfull of Subaru mini cars... > Sad tale, the red Sherpa was to go to a 18 year old kid, next door. > I sent it in for a road worthy and it failed due to structual rust. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the market. Subaru did a stupid thing by fitting four water outlets from > the factory sunroof, that dunp water into the body sills!!! Um, then why on Ebay? making sure you mention it's condition. > I have also decided not to fix the yellow one either, it will go later on > E-bay, along with all the spares. > I have had a gutfull of Subaru mini cars... I don't do mini cars. Today working on welding up framework for a box trailer in order to enclose the walls to 1.2 metres high with plywood sides. It has a lot of rust in it, so needs a bit of work. >> Sad tale, the red Sherpa was to go to a 18 year old kid, next door. >> I sent it in for a road worthy and it failed due to structual rust. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Um, then why on Ebay? making sure you mention it's condition. Honesty is the best policy. >> I have also decided not to fix the yellow one either, it will go >> later on E-bay, along with all the spares. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > order to enclose the walls to 1.2 metres high with plywood > sides. It has a lot of rust in it, so needs a bit of work. > There was no way I would "bodgy" that car and sell it to said teenager, if > it collapsed and killed the owner, I'd never be able to live with it. > So the thing is now on e-bay. So, you don't care who it kills, as long as they don't live next door to you? :) -- Regards, Noddy. >> There was no way I would "bodgy" that car and sell it to said teenager, >> if [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > So, you don't care who it kills, as long as they don't live next door to > you? :) Item #200155270157 To be fair he does mention the rust although it's interesting that 18 months after a supposed full restoration it has structural rust. >>> There was no way I would "bodgy" that car and sell it to said teenager, >>> if [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > To be fair he does mention the rust although it's interesting that 18 months > after a supposed full restoration it has structural rust. A shitheap, and $489 overpriced. Andy. >>>> There was no way I would "bodgy" that car and sell it to said teenager, >>>> if [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > A shitheap, and $489 overpriced. I wouldn't buy it, in fact given that it's unroadworthy I wouldn't sell it either except perhaps to sell what a could over a weekend as a wrecker and get my $25 Coles voucher for the remains on Monday. >Item #200155270157 > >To be fair he does mention the rust although it's interesting that 18 months >after a supposed full restoration it has structural rust. It was a Jag style reno..... > >> There was no way I would "bodgy" that car and sell it to said teenager, > >> if [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > ` > end ......can I confirm this..........'someone' actually restored a Sherpa? Ron! Can I borrow your 'Darwin theory early warning system'? Ya never know when you'll need one ;-p >> >> There was no way I would "bodgy" that car and sell it to said >> >> teenager, if [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Ron! Can I borrow your 'Darwin theory early warning system'? Ya never > know when you'll need one ;-p Jackbadger, You are listening to a DC (Dutch c.nt) who revels in putting others down. The Dutch are of course the master race. The formed this opinion when Hitler arrived and threatened to get rid of jews (and probably dutch if he had any brains). I have a "DC" as a brother in law. He thinks Mitsubishi make the best vehicles on the planet. He also protested to the Vietnam war, Iraq and Afganistan, plus marches with the aboriginies agains Police control. Now this fuckwit apparently went to university?? getting back to the WA DC, this dickhead appears to be more stupid than O-Zone, if that is at all possible. From E-bay: "This little car was restored 18 months ago. It was fitted with (all new) radiator hoses, plugs, points, cam belt, front wheel bearings, both mufflers, four tyres, rear shock absorbers, rear wheel bearings and painted. It was supposed to be sold to a young girl, but it failed the road worthy due to structural rust. There is rust in the sills and door channels (pictured). If the rust was cut out, it would be a fantastic little car again. This Sherpa is capable of doing 120kph, does not blow smoke or use much oil, 20 litres of petrol takes it 350km. Everything works very well and until yesterday, it was registered. Other than the rust it is a top little runner. If not sold I'll part it out, as it is in excellent mechanical condition." Now where does it say, "Total restoration", "ground up rebuild", etc! Term: "restore - restore by replacing a part or putting together what is torn or broken" You know, I've met my fare share of fuckwits before, more so in this forum, but the dutch prick outdoes them all, even my stupid BIL. The silly bugger who bought it was over the moon. I pointed out the rust problems, but I think it went on deaf ears. I'm quite sure it will be driving around Gympie very soon on a dodgy roadworthy, and to make it even worse, his 16 year old son is going to learn to drive in it, and keep it!!! As for Darwin theory, I'm rebuilding the yellow Sherpa, stripped to the bare body, for the kid next door. So far I have found minimal rust. Ignore the "DC", it is a total fuckwit, but common to his country! Look what they did to Africa! Cheers, Ron > >> "Noddy" <m...@home.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > Cheers, > Ron Don't worry Ron.....I took a cheap shot! You're still my favourite surrogate grandfather ;-p >> >> "Noddy" <m...@home.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] > Don't worry Ron.....I took a cheap shot! > You're still my favourite surrogate grandfather ;-p LOL :-) >> >> "Noddy" <m...@home.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > Don't worry Ron.....I took a cheap shot! > You're still my favourite surrogate grandfather ;-p How is it that you have a go at him and I get burned? All I said was " To be fair he does mention the rust although it's interesting that 18 months after a supposed full restoration it has structural rust." which is actually quite complimentary. Just to answer some of the points raised by Ron; The Ebay listing says that the car was restored. That implies that the whole car was restored, yet clearly not all of it was. I'm not sure what he means by this; >> You are listening to a DC (Dutch c.nt) who revels in putting others down. >> The Dutch are of course the master race. The formed this opinion when >> Hitler arrived and threatened to get rid of jews (and probably Dutch if >> he had any brains). The Dutch never called themselves the master race, that was the Germans. Both grandfathers fought against the Germans and my grandmother hid a Jewish man (at great risk to herself) in the attic whilst Holland was occupied by the Germans. Then he tells you that (ignoring racist slurs); >> Look what they did to Africa! So, what did the Dutch do to Africa? Ron's version of history thus far has some pretty serious inaccuracies to say the least. > How is it that you have a go at him and I get burned? LOL! ....I was kinda wondering that ;-) > Don't worry Ron.....I took a cheap shot! > You're still my favourite surrogate grandfather ;-p ROFL :) -- Regards, Noddy. >I have a "DC" as a brother in law. He thinks Mitsubishi make the best >vehicles on the planet. He also protested to the Vietnam war, Iraq and >Afganistan, plus marches with the aboriginies agains Police control. >Now this fuckwit apparently went to university?? Sounds like he's on the right track.....Vietnam was a disaster, As was the lie of Iraq, Afghanistan has been deserted and is now falling into civil war, Police have been involved in aboriginal deaths for 2 centuries and you don't need to have gone to university to know this. >>>>> There was no way I would "bodgy" that car and sell it to said >>>>> teenager, if [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > You are listening to a DC (Dutch c.nt) who revels in putting others down. > The Dutch are of course the master race. Don't know about them being masters but they make bloody good trucks:-) Daryl >> You are listening to a DC (Dutch c.nt) who revels in putting others >> down. The Dutch are of course the master race. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Daryl The trucks maybe okay, but the car is a little odd! Ron >>> You are listening to a DC (Dutch c.nt) who revels in putting others >>> down. The Dutch are of course the master race. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Ron They were fantastic little cars too, and the variomatic transmission was brilliant in it's simplicity and function. Ron's hate is causing him to trip over his own ignorance. I don't know much about DAF trucks but that I have spoken to that has driven one seem to like them a lot for the comfort factor. >>>> You are listening to a DC (Dutch c.nt) who revels in putting others >>>> down. The Dutch are of course the master race. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > They were fantastic little cars too, and the variomatic transmission was > brilliant in it's simplicity and function. Isn't that trans the basis for todays CCV transmissions? > Ron's hate is causing him to trip over his own ignorance. > > I don't know much about DAF trucks but that I have spoken to that has driven > one seem to like them a lot for the comfort factor. When people drive one for the first time the usual comment is that they as easy to drive as a car, they are very comfortable and user friendly. Daryl >>>>> You are listening to a DC (Dutch c.nt) who revels in putting others >>>>> down. The Dutch are of course the master race. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> > Isn't that trans the basis for todays CCV transmissions? Pretty much. >> Ron's hate is causing him to trip over his own ignorance. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > When people drive one for the first time the usual comment is that they as > easy to drive as a car, they are very comfortable and user friendly. You drive one don't you? > You drive one don't you? Yep, a 2005 CF75.310. Daryl >> You drive one don't you? >> > Yep, a 2005 CF75.310. Nice one. CF and XF international trucks of the year according to daf.nl so they must be doing something right ;-) > ......can I confirm this..........'someone' actually restored a > Sherpa? > Ron! Can I borrow your 'Darwin theory early warning system'? Ya never > know when you'll need one ;-p Hey, it could be worse. Someone on ebay last week was advertising a restored and slightly modified HB Torana (with the modifications seemingly limited to "Brabham" engine parts being used and the thing being given some pretty ugly GT stripes), and the worst part about it was that people were actually *bidding* on the f.cking thing :) I don't know what it eventually sold for, but I remember pissing myself laughing when I saw the auction and the stupid money it was then up to. Presumably it's sale influenced this idiot to act: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Torana-HB-1968-2-door_W0QQitemZ120165162616QQihZ002QQcate goryZ102247QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Makes you laugh at times :) -- Regards, Noddy. >> ......can I confirm this..........'someone' actually restored a >> Sherpa? [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Regards, > Noddy. That is one of those nasty little Vauxhall Viva's is it not? Noisy diff and all that :-) Ron >> There was no way I would "bodgy" that car and sell it to said >> teenager, if it collapsed and killed the owner, I'd never be able to >> live with it. So the thing is now on e-bay. > > So, you don't care who it kills, as long as they don't live next door > to you? :) Close, who ever buys it will have to either fix it or take the chance of it bending up in an accident like a kicked in sh.t tin :-) Actually the prick that did the road worthy was a little harsh on the rust, then immediately offered me 200 bucks to take it off my hands.. > Close, who ever buys it will have to either fix it or take the chance of > it > bending up in an accident like a kicked in sh.t tin :-) Which it most likely would do anyway, regardless of the presence of rust or not :) > Actually the prick that did the road worthy was a little harsh on the > rust, > then immediately offered me 200 bucks to take it off my hands.. One of the problems associated with compulsory annual vehicle inspections. All having cars annually inspected does is give testers a licence to print money, despite their never being a single shred of evidence to suggest that it's made one iota of difference to the road toll or accident rate. Victoria doesn't have them, and I hope we never do. New Zealand has them twice a year, and it's f.cking ridiculous. -- Regards, Noddy. >> Close, who ever buys it will have to either fix it or take the chance >> of it [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > New Zealand has them twice a year, and it's f.cking ridiculous. No compulsory yearly testing in QLD, however you must get a roadworthy to change registration into anothers name. I should imagine VIC is the same. > No compulsory yearly testing in QLD, however you must get a roadworthy to > change registration into anothers name. > > I should imagine VIC is the same. Here in the ACT we have 'random' roadworthy inspections, but I'm not sure if that means I could be randomly pulled over for a roadworthiness check, or I might be randomly selected at rego time for an inspection. Either way, I've never had a car inspected here other than when I transferred the Astra from NSW rego, and again with the Charade. You don't really see heaps of sh.t on ACT roads anyway - probably to be expected with the highest average incomes in the country (by miles), so people can afford to buy new or nearly new cars every few years. I suspect a lot of older ACT trade-ins are wholesaled to surrounding NSW country towns. Marco >> Close, who ever buys it will have to either fix it or take the chance of >> it [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > New Zealand has them twice a year, and it's f.cking ridiculous. It's aimed at getting junk off our roads, and in this case has worked ;-) > It's aimed at getting junk off our roads, and in this case has worked ;-) IN this particular case, yeah :) -- Regards, Noddy. >> It's aimed at getting junk off our roads, and in this case has worked >> ;-) Just the remark I'd expect from a dutch c.nt! >>> It's aimed at getting junk off our roads, and in this case has worked >>> ;-) > > Just the remark I'd expect from a dutch c.nt! Well you're not let down then :-) If there a better name for a car that can't be registered due to structural rust then I'm all ears. >>> Close, who ever buys it will have to either fix it or take the chance of >>> it [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > It's aimed at getting junk off our roads, and in this case has worked ;-) If the Hwy Patrol shows we see on TV from NZ are any indication its a miserable failure over there. Daryl >>>> Close, who ever buys it will have to either fix it or take the chance >>>> of it [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > If the Hwy Patrol shows we see on TV from NZ are any indication its a > miserable failure over there. Or a success, depending on your basis for comparison... how bad was it to begin with? >>>>> Close, who ever buys it will have to either fix it or take the chance >>>>> of it [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Or a success, depending on your basis for comparison... how bad was it to > begin with? Good point but it seem like too many of the cars that are involved in accidents or the cops pull over are very unroadworthy. Daryl >>>>>> Close, who ever buys it will have to either fix it or take the chance >>>>>> of it [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Good point but it seem like too many of the cars that are involved in > accidents or the cops pull over are very unroadworthy. Perhaps there is a market for the Sherpa after all ;-) >>>>>>> Close, who ever buys it will have to either fix it or take the chance >>>>>>> of it [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Perhaps there is a market for the Sherpa after all ;-) Externally the Sherpa looks to be in very good condition, I doubt Ron would have wasted the considerable effort he made restoring it if he had found the rust. Daryl >Externally the Sherpa looks to be in very good condition, I doubt Ron >would have wasted the considerable effort he made restoring it if he had >found the rust. > >Daryl I'd always imagined moRon as a superficial kinda guy :-) >> Externally the Sherpa looks to be in very good condition, I doubt Ron >> would have wasted the considerable effort he made restoring it if he had [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I'd always imagined moRon as a superficial kinda guy :-) You imagined wrong then:-) Daryl >>> Externally the Sherpa looks to be in very good condition, I doubt Ron >>> would have wasted the considerable effort he made restoring it if he had [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > You imagined wrong then:-) He's restored how many cars and missed structural rust on the Sherpa? Hmmmm... >>>> Externally the Sherpa looks to be in very good condition, I doubt Ron >>>> would have wasted the considerable effort he made restoring it if he had [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > He's restored how many cars and missed structural rust on the Sherpa? He needn't worry about rust on the old Jags, the oil leaking all over the place protects the metal really well. Cheers, Andy. >>>>> Externally the Sherpa looks to be in very good condition, I doubt >>>>> Ron would have wasted the considerable effort he made restoring it [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > He needn't worry about rust on the old Jags, the oil leaking all over > the place protects the metal really well. That didn't prevent old Holden's from rusting away so why would it work on an old Jag:-) Daryl > That didn't prevent old Holden's from rusting away so why would it work on > an old Jag:-) I never actually saw an old Holden rust out in the engine bay down near the rails, and that's usually because the old red motor was pissing enough oil out of the rocker cover and side plate gaskets to keep everything in that area well protected :) -- Regards, Noddy. >> That didn't prevent old Holden's from rusting away so why would it work >> on an old Jag:-) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > oil out of the rocker cover and side plate gaskets to keep everything in > that area well protected :) Why only pick on the red motor, everything of that era pissed oil all over the place. > Why only pick on the red motor, everything of that era pissed oil all over > the place. They sure did. -- Regards, Noddy. >>> That didn't prevent old Holden's from rusting away so why would it work >>> on an old Jag:-) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Why only pick on the red motor, everything of that era pissed oil all over > the place. True but the red motor was a particularly bad example. Daryl >>>> That didn't prevent old Holden's from rusting away so why would it work >>>> on an old Jag:-) [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> > True but the red motor was a particularly bad example. No, the EA 6 was a bad example, the old Holden red was just normal for the era. >>>>> That didn't prevent old Holden's from rusting away so why would it work >>>>> on an old Jag:-) [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > No, the EA 6 was a bad example, the old Holden red was just normal for the > era. Disagree, the EA does leak oil but no where near as bad as the Holden 6's I've owned. If you try real hard its possible to fix the EA's oil leaks (not that its worth the effort) but if you live for a thousand years you will never stop one single Holden red motor from leaking:-) The only one I've seen that only leaked a negligible amount was a 161 we had in a HK wagon, for some unknown reason that was an exceptional good engine for a Holden 6, they built the occasional one properly:-) Daryl >>>>>> That didn't prevent old Holden's from rusting away so why would it >>>>>> work on an old Jag:-) [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Disagree, the EA does leak oil but no where near as bad as the Holden 6's > I've owned. Given the time of release, they were exceptionally bad. They leaked from new, on the showroom. You know where from. > If you try real hard its possible to fix the EA's oil leaks (not that its > worth the effort) It was worth the effort when still in warranty, and most got done a few times under warranty. It was simply a design flaw. but if you live for a thousand years you will > never stop one single Holden red motor from leaking:-) Or the old Ford six, it was no different. > The only one I've seen that only leaked a negligible amount was a 161 we > had in a HK wagon, for some unknown reason that was an exceptional good > engine for a Holden 6, they built the occasional one properly:-) The old red was an exceptionally solid workhorse engine in it's lifetime which extended well past it's use-by date. > Daryl > Given the time of release, they were exceptionally bad. They leaked from > new, on the showroom. You know where from. They surely did. A modern lemon. > Or the old Ford six, it was no different. Only in as much as it didn't have the side plates that leaked like buggery on the red motors. That said you could patch either of them up to be relatively dry if you wanted to and had enough gasket sealant, but you could do bugger all about the rear mains on either of them. > The old red was an exceptionally solid workhorse engine in it's lifetime > which extended well past it's use-by date. I couldn't agree more. In fact, I'd go so far as to say it was one of the most reliable engines we ever had in this country, and I'd be happy to have one today in a ute or something if I was looking for a reliable & easy to maintain vehicle where I wasn't overly worried about power or economy. -- Regards, Noddy. >> Given the time of release, they were exceptionally bad. They leaked from >> new, on the showroom. You know where from. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > something if I was looking for a reliable & easy to maintain vehicle where I > wasn't overly worried about power or economy. My old HQ had about 390 000 on it, most of those overheating and treated like absolute crap. And only once was it unable to move under it's own power (timing gear). The rest of the time it would smoke, cough, fart, loose power, spit oil, and then proceed to haul the car for 2000 km to go to Cairns or somewhere. >>>>>>> That didn't prevent old Holden's from rusting away so why would it >>>>>>> work on an old Jag:-) [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > The old red was an exceptionally solid workhorse engine in it's lifetime > which extended well past it's use-by date. It was well past its use by date when they fitted it to the first Commodores. Daryl >>>>>>>> That didn't prevent old Holden's from rusting away so why would it >>>>>>>> work on an old Jag:-) [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > It was well past its use by date when they fitted it to the first > Commodores. All I know is that I put a Weber and manifold, extractors and a cam in my 140,000km 2.85 (173) VB Commodore and it went very well indeed and never missed a beat. Same can't be said for some of the other junk that was around at that time. >>>>>>>>> That didn't prevent old Holden's from rusting away so why would it >>>>>>>>> work on an old Jag:-) [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Same can't be said for some of the other junk that was around at that time. I don't know what you are calling junk but most likely Ford, the XD panel van I owned had done 420,00klms whn I sold it to my nephew who later sold it with 470,000klms on the odo and still going strong. 200,000klms would see the end of 95% of Holden red motors. Daryl >>>>>>>>>> That didn't prevent old Holden's from rusting away so why would >>>>>>>>>> it work on an old Jag:-) [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > van I owned had done 420,00klms whn I sold it to my nephew who later sold > it with 470,000klms on the odo and still going strong. > 200,000klms would see the end of 95% of Holden red motors. I wasn't talking about Ford specifically, but our bread and butter those days were Fords with blown head gaskets and f.cked camshafts and lifters. Over the life of the vehicle the Holden red would be cheaper to maintain then a Ford crossflow, even if you factor in a rebuild. > I never actually saw an old Holden rust out in the engine bay down > near the rails, and that's usually because the old red motor was > pissing enough oil out of the rocker cover and side plate gaskets to > keep everything in that area well protected :) and a Red motor was a vast improvement in the oil pissing stakes over a grey motor. -- >> That didn't prevent old Holden's from rusting away so why would it work on >> an old Jag:-) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > out of the rocker cover and side plate gaskets to keep everything in that > area well protected :) True but for some reason it didn't stop the oil soaked floors from rusting through:-) Daryl >>> Externally the Sherpa looks to be in very good condition, I doubt Ron >>> would have wasted the considerable effort he made restoring it if he had [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Daryl Dunno, a full restoration without noticing rust bad enough to not get a roadworthy would be pretty superficial methinks. >>>> Externally the Sherpa looks to be in very good condition, I doubt Ron >>>> would have wasted the considerable effort he made restoring it if he had [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Dunno, a full restoration without noticing rust bad enough to not get > a roadworthy would be pretty superficial methinks. Depends what you mean by full restoration, it wouldn't be the first time someone missed something like that. Daryl >Depends what you mean by full restoration, it wouldn't be the first time >someone missed something like that. > >Daryl Sure...but how many cars has he tarted up now? >> Depends what you mean by full restoration, it wouldn't be the first time >> someone missed something like that. >> >> Daryl > > Sure...but how many cars has he tarted up now? No idea but his 2 Jags look good but I didn't crawl under them with a torch and a magnifying glass:-) Considering Ron is not a professional at any vehicle trades he's done an excellent job on the Jags. Daryl > No idea but his 2 Jags look good but I didn't crawl under them with a > torch and a magnifying glass:-) > Considering Ron is not a professional at any vehicle trades he's done an > excellent job on the Jags. To give credit where it's due they *do* look nice in the pictures, and as you say seeing that he's not a pro in that field he's done an excellent job. It's just a shame he wasted his efforts on such horrible heaps of sh.t :) -- Regards, Noddy. >>> Depends what you mean by full restoration, it wouldn't be the first time >>> someone missed something like that. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Considering Ron is not a professional at any vehicle trades he's done an > excellent job on the Jags. Fair enough, but it is he who claimed that the car had a full restoration when clearly it did not or he couldn't possibly have missed structural rust. He tarted it up, nothing more. >>>> Depends what you mean by full restoration, it wouldn't be the first time >>>> someone missed something like that. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > He tarted it up, nothing more. I have seen the before and after photos and it was a lot more than a basic tart up coat of paint. Personally I wouldn't have wasted my energy on a car like that, the effort would have been better used on something a bit more deserving. Daryl >Personally I wouldn't have wasted my energy on a car like that, the >effort would have been better used on something a bit more deserving. > >Daryl Like an empty anchovy tin? >>>>> Depends what you mean by full restoration, it wouldn't be the first >>>>> time someone missed something like that. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Personally I wouldn't have wasted my energy on a car like that, the effort > would have been better used on something a bit more deserving. What, you mean like polishing a turd like an old Jag? >>>>>> Depends what you mean by full restoration, it wouldn't be the first >>>>>> time someone missed something like that. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > What, you mean like polishing a turd like an old Jag? Whether you like it or not people pay good money for old Jags so it is worth the effort restoring them but even in great condition a Sherpa is next to worthless. Daryl >> What, you mean like polishing a turd like an old Jag? >> > Whether you like it or not people pay good money for old Jags so it is > worth the effort restoring them but even in great condition a Sherpa > is next to worthless. Daryl, It is hopeless to try and get through to and idiot! A dutch one is far worse...they "think" they know everything!! Cheers, Ron >>>>>>> Depends what you mean by full restoration, it wouldn't be the first >>>>>>> time someone missed something like that. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > worth the effort restoring them but even in great condition a Sherpa is > next to worthless. Restoring any car is worth the effort if it's for the love of the car, but if it's for the love of money then Jags are a poor choice IMO. >>>>>>>> Depends what you mean by full restoration, it wouldn't be the first >>>>>>>> time someone missed something like that. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Restoring any car is worth the effort if it's for the love of the car, but > if it's for the love of money then Jags are a poor choice IMO. I'm not into restoring cars as I don't have the patience for that sort of work so to a point I admire someone who puts a huge effort into that sort of work. If nothing else Jags are interesting cars that were often technically advanced in their day, they have problems but I find them to be a lot more interesting than something like an old Holden or Falcon. A bloke who fills in at work sometimes owns a 1946 Buick convertible which is absolutely magnificent, apparently he used to own 13 Buick's and ran a wedding car hire business, he sold all but one of them due to ill health but apparently he restored them all himself and if the one he kept is anything thing to go by they must have all looked fabulous and the workmanship is astounding. Daryl >>>>>>>>> Depends what you mean by full restoration, it wouldn't be the >>>>>>>>> first time someone missed something like that. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > advanced in their day, they have problems but I find them to be a lot more > interesting than something like an old Holden or Falcon. Old Jags were a terrible heap of sh.t and they haven't improved with age, sorry to burst your bubble ;-) You want an interesting car to work on, get an old DS Citroen ;-) > A bloke who fills in at work sometimes owns a 1946 Buick convertible which > is absolutely magnificent, apparently he used to own 13 Buick's and ran a > wedding car hire business, he sold all but one of them due to ill health > but apparently he restored them all himself and if the one he kept is > anything thing to go by they must have all looked fabulous and the > workmanship is astounding. I appreciate the workmanship and patience that goes in to restoring cars but all but a few model Jaguars are worth it IMO. On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 22:05:03 +1000, Daryl Walford <dwalford@internode.on.net>, after considering some belly-button fluf, wrote: >Whether you like it or not people pay good money for old Jags so it is >worth the effort restoring them but even in great condition a Sherpa is >next to worthless. Really? Recently I asked you all about the value of an E55 Charger. The Charger was bought new and was a 1 owner car. The owner also owned a Series 2 Jaguar. He bought the Jag new as well before the Charger. The only reason this guy bought the Charger was that he was sick of the Jag being off the road with warranty work for months at a time. The cars were both sold because the owner couldn't drive anymore. Values. The Charger was about $5700 on road new. The Jag was $12,000? or thereabouts. What did he get for them? The Charger $16,500! I estimated this car needed about $10,000 spent on it!!! The Jag $100. The Jag was in better nick than the Charger. The only Jags that are worth any sort of decent money are SS100, XK120, 140. E types and some MK 2 's. Just look at the price of the XJ's. There are worth nothing. ( despite what Ron may think) Bob > On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 22:05:03 +1000, Daryl Walford > <dwalford@internode.on.net>, after considering some belly-button fluf, [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Just look at the price of the XJ's. There are worth nothing. ( despite > what Ron may think) Thats why I said "old" Jags, as you say most XJ6's are next to worthless. The one that sold for $100.00 must have been in appalling condition, I've never seen one that cheap that wasn't severely damaged in the body. Daryl Kid next door still wants the yellow one. Today he and I stripped it to the bare shell. The body structure is totally rust free at the bottom of the shell. The only rust I have found is in the windscreen pillar on one side, where the previous owner filled it with bog. I'm going to cut it out and weld new steel in place. There is only a few tiny spots under one door, which is amazing for a thin metal jap car, built in 1984! The floor and sills are excellent. I'm going to paint it inside and out, should be a good little runner once finished. The motor has been reconditioned and it has a new clutch and pressure plate :-) Ron > Depends what you mean by full restoration, it wouldn't be the first time > someone missed something like that. If they did then it ain't a full restoration in my opinion. To me at least, a "full restoration" is returning the car back to it's "as new" condition down to the last nut & bolt. Anything else short of that is a cosmetic make over. -- Regards, Noddy. > Externally the Sherpa looks to be in very good condition, I doubt Ron > would have wasted the considerable effort he made restoring it if he > had found the rust. > > Daryl Daryl, It looks like a guy from Melbourne maybe coming up with a tow truck to get it. Or, a guy from Coffs Harbour driving it back. And no, I had no idea it was rusting from the inside out. Ron > And no, I had no idea it was rusting from the inside out. That's usually how they all go Ron. 99% of the time vehicle rust is like an iceberg. You only see the tip of it on the outside and the rest of it is below the surface. People who use the term "surface rust" have no idea what they're talking about unless it's bare untreated metal that's been exposed to moisture. Rust on the outside of a painted vehicle panel is the visible sign of it having eaten all the way through. -- Regards, Noddy. >> And no, I had no idea it was rusting from the inside out. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Rust on the outside of a painted vehicle panel is the visible sign of > it having eaten all the way through. I guy just drove down from Gympie, absoluted loved it and bought it on the spot. Looks like it now goes on with another life cycle :-) Now, the yellow one to go.. Ron >> Externally the Sherpa looks to be in very good condition, I doubt Ron >> would have wasted the considerable effort he made restoring it if he [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > And no, I had no idea it was rusting from the inside out. You restore cars but you don't know that cars generally do rust from the inside out? >You restore cars but you don't know that cars generally do rust from the >inside out? Just imagine what those Jags are like under the leather and wood........ > Externally the Sherpa looks to be in very good condition, I doubt Ron > would have wasted the considerable effort he made restoring it if he had > found the rust. Maybe, but to some people "restoration" means little more than making it look pretty. -- Regards, Noddy. >> Externally the Sherpa looks to be in very good condition, I doubt Ron >> would have wasted the considerable effort he made restoring it if he >> had found the rust. > > Maybe, but to some people "restoration" means little more than making > it look pretty. A hell of a lot of work went into that one. I cut out the visable rust and welded metal in place. I think I spent 1000 bucks on it, so over all I lost a lot but also had a lot of fun in it over the last two years :-) Ron >> Externally the Sherpa looks to be in very good condition, I doubt Ron >> would have wasted the considerable effort he made restoring it if he had >> found the rust. > > Maybe, but to some people "restoration" means little more than making it > look pretty. True but I can't imagine anyone would go to extremes "restoring" a car that wasn't anything special and was only going to be used a hack. Restoring is probably the wrong term in this instance. Daryl >>> Externally the Sherpa looks to be in very good condition, I doubt >>> Ron would have wasted the considerable effort he made restoring it [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Daryl Refurbish :-) > True but I can't imagine anyone would go to extremes "restoring" a car > that wasn't anything special and was only going to be used a hack. > Restoring is probably the wrong term in this instance. It had a cut & polish and some armorall rubbed over the seats. A minor resto :) -- Regards, Noddy. "Noddy" <me@home.com> wrote in news:46f764c3$0$66953$c30e37c6@lon- reader.news.telstra.net: >> True but I can't imagine anyone would go to extremes "restoring" a car >> that wasn't anything special and was only going to be used a hack. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > A minor resto :) You have lost me here, who's car are you talking about ? >> True but I can't imagine anyone would go to extremes "restoring" a car >> that wasn't anything special and was only going to be used a hack. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > A minor resto :) Don't forget the 'reco' of the engine by painting it with hi-temp enamel :-) Andy. > Don't forget the 'reco' of the engine by painting it with hi-temp enamel > :-) An old favorite :) A young apprentice I used to work with thought he'd cottoned on to a brilliant money making scheme by buying f.cked old engines from a wrecker for scrap value and painting them up to look spic 'n span and selling them as reco's. He really make them look the business, and he did okay for a while until he sold a clapped out red motor to some bloke he shouldn't have, and then spent a few weeks with an arm in a cast to re evaluate the unfortunate downside of his business venture :P) -- Regards, Noddy. >> Don't forget the 'reco' of the engine by painting it with hi-temp enamel >> :-) [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Regards, > Noddy. I take it then he was "apprenticed" under you to learn tricks of the trade like that? :>) DAVO > I take it then he was "apprenticed" under you to learn tricks of the trade > like that? :>) He was one of the three apprentices belonging to the company I worked for, but I didn't have much to do with him. -- Regards, Noddy. >> True but I can't imagine anyone would go to extremes "restoring" a car >> that wasn't anything special and was only going to be used a hack. >> Restoring is probably the wrong term in this instance. > > It had a cut & polish and some armorall rubbed over the seats. armorall on seats ???? yeah sure.....only in the noddy car. > A minor resto :) > > -- > Regards, > Noddy.  SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, look in the trash for the instructions.. >>>>>> Close, who ever buys it will have to either fix it or take the >>>>>> chance of it [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Good point but it seem like too many of the cars that are involved in > accidents or the cops pull over are very unroadworthy. editing, they`re not going to show the boring bits, eh > Daryl SignatureIf at first you don't succeed, look in the trash for the instructions.. >> Close, who ever buys it will have to either fix it or take the chance of >> it [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Regards, > Noddy. Once a year for 1st 6 years then 6monthly. Great at keeping pieces of sh.t off the road. Rego there is sweet FA ($230ish) as well so the cost isnt there, just the inconveinence of getting it into the shop each 6months. >> There was no way I would "bodgy" that car and sell it to said teenager, if >> it collapsed and killed the owner, I'd never be able to live with it. >> So the thing is now on e-bay. > > So, you don't care who it kills, as long as they don't live next door to > you? :) I would be scared to sneeze on it I might blow it up a tree or something. :-) SignatureRegards Dan > I would be scared to sneeze on it I might blow it up a tree or something. > :-) If I farted within 10 feet of it the thing would melt :) -- Regards, Noddy. >> I would be scared to sneeze on it I might blow it up a tree or something. >> :-) > > If I farted within 10 feet of it the thing would melt :) Bet it would too, I can smell you from here... I wonder if sending Simms over to Rons house would send a clear message? >>> I would be scared to sneeze on it I might blow it up a tree or something. >>> :-) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I wonder if sending Simms over to Rons house would send a clear message? But would they know which *particular* rusty sh.t-heap they were meant to be collecting? Andy. >>>> I would be scared to sneeze on it I might blow it up a tree or >>>> something. :-) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > But would they know which *particular* rusty sh.t-heap they were meant to > be collecting? A good point, might as well do a job lot and do everyoneand in particular his neighbours a real favour. >> I would be scared to sneeze on it I might blow it up a tree or something. >> :-) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Regards, > Noddy. No different to if you "burped" as both your ends spray the same sh.t...... :>) DAVO |
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