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Car Forum / Australian Car Forums / General Car Topics (Australian group) / October 2007im not anti holden
the vl was the only decent commodore ever made > the vl was the only decent commodore ever made Well, lets say after the VK, it was not a hard act to follow. OTOH Brocky's 05 VK was a great car,..tho it was only a VK shell. Jason >> the vl was the only decent commodore ever made > > Well, lets say after the VK, it was not a hard act to follow. OTOH > Brocky's 05 VK was a great car,..tho it was only a VK shell. VK/VL/VN *gags* All should of been crushed! :-p  SignatureRegards Dan > VK/VL/VN *gags* > All should of been crushed! :-p Best VK I ever certified had a 1JZ-GTE. Best VL had a 350. :-) SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. >> VK/VL/VN *gags* >> All should of been crushed! :-p > > Best VK I ever certified had a 1JZ-GTE. Best VL had a 350. :-) A slight improvement I suppose. ;-) SignatureRegards Dan Jason James wrote... > Well, lets say after the VK, it was not a hard act to follow. OTOH Brocky's > 05 VK was a great car,..tho it was only a VK shell. Not really. Group C cars back then were pretty well production line models, unlike the V8s today that are assembled on a 'spit' from panels that are welded around a roll cage which forms a part of the car's structure. "Marts" <marts_57@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message > Not really. Group C cars back then were pretty well production line > models, Very heavily modified versions of production line models anyway..... -- Regards, Noddy. Noddy wrote... > > Not really. Group C cars back then were pretty well production line > > models, > > Very heavily modified versions of production line models anyway..... I would suggest that they were closer to stock than the current crop of "touring" cars are. They ran stock internal trim, seats. If A/C was fitted it stayed in the car. Engine mods were extensive but had to be homologated. I can't recall the rest, ie. drivetrain, gearbox, suspension, etc.. But I think that they ran standard axles, maybe modded geometry, rose joint components. But the bodywork had to be chopped and arches installed to accomodate the by-then huge tyres that they were running. One Bathurst, one of the HDT cars was pranged. Brock collared one of the HDT display cars (they looked identical to the race cars but ran standard mechanicals). They ripped out the engine etc. and replaced it with race gear. I forget how he went. He might've broken an axle on the start line ('81). SignatureI must confess, I was born at a very early age. - Groucho Marx > the vl was the only decent commodore ever made For once, you're right. >> the vl was the only decent commodore ever made > > For once, you're right. LOL, good one :-) >>> the vl was the only decent commodore ever made >> For once, you're right. > > LOL, good one :-) Heh, well, I always thought that Nissan engine was the best thing Holden ever did :) >>>> the vl was the only decent commodore ever made >>> For once, you're right. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Heh, well, I always thought that Nissan engine was the best thing Holden > ever did :) Only half best thing Holden did with the VL was the Nissan turbo 6 other than that the VL was a pussbox. SignatureRegards Dan >>>>> the vl was the only decent commodore ever made >>>> For once, you're right. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Only half best thing Holden did with the VL was the Nissan turbo 6 other > than that the VL was a pussbox. That could well be (puss-box). I always remembered taking a VL turbo for a drive and thinking just how much better the engine felt over all the others offered by Holden. I should add I'm certainly no fan of Fords either - although I have owned a few, so I guess I have a slight preference for Fords, generally speaking. > Heh, well, I always thought that Nissan engine was the best thing Holden > ever did :) It wasn't in the Commodore, that's for sure :) -- Regards, Noddy. >>>> the vl was the only decent commodore ever made >>> For once, you're right. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Heh, well, I always thought that Nissan engine was the best thing Holden > ever did :) Aside from the turbo model, it was an expensive dud in the Commodore. > Aside from the turbo model, it was an expensive dud in the Commodore. Yeah especially the heads the ol 3800's and ecotecs wasn't the smoothest of all engines but nothing much really went wrong with them though. They just didn't like LPG much. :-) One big thing you notice from going from a VP/VR to a VS is how much smoother the 3800 became and in all reality it wasn't all that hard on fuel either. Oh sh.t sorry I shouldn't say anything good about Holdens because the Mitsu clowns will get all upsettypoo's. :-p SignatureRegards Dan >One big thing you notice from going from a VP/VR to a VS is how much >smoother the 3800 became and in all reality it wasn't all that hard on >fuel either. > >Oh sh.t sorry I shouldn't say anything good about Holdens because the >Mitsu clowns will get all upsettypoo's. :-p Jesus Dan, If you thought a VS was smooth you should have test driven a Magna. Compared to a Magna, the VS was a rattly POS with less power. Oh and I actually know this as a fact becuase I owned both....I still have the Magna and it needs a CV joint and has hasd both globes replaced in the headlights. The VS...well it had a gearbox, rear shocks, a host of electrical faults and leaked like a sieve. >> Aside from the turbo model, it was an expensive dud in the Commodore. > > Yeah especially the heads the ol 3800's and ecotecs wasn't the smoothest > of all engines but nothing much really went wrong with them though. They > just didn't like LPG much. :-) I had a VN work vehicle on gas... it used to cough and splutter every time I went past the local communications tower :) >>>>> the vl was the only decent commodore ever made >>>> For once, you're right. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Aside from the turbo model, it was an expensive dud in the Commodore. Hmm, no-one seems to like the non-turbo engine by the looks of it! >> the vl was the only decent commodore ever made > > For once, you're right. If thats the case you don't have a high opinion of Commodores in general:-) The list of known faults with VL's is long. Daryl >>> the vl was the only decent commodore ever made >> >> For once, you're right. > > If thats the case you don't have a high opinion of Commodores in general:-) Never been a huge fan to be honest :) > The list of known faults with VL's is long. That could well be... I just liked the engine really (the turbo one at least) - and I always liked the look of the VL Calais... I always loathed the interior of the commodores though... really cheap and plasticy looking. >>>> the vl was the only decent commodore ever made >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Never been a huge fan to be honest :) Me either:-) >> The list of known faults with VL's is long. > > That could well be... I just liked the engine really (the turbo one at > least) - and I always liked the look of the VL Calais... I always > loathed the interior of the commodores though... really cheap and > plasticy looking. Whilst the engine performs better than the black motor it replaced it still had lots of problems. I'm no expert on the subject but I know they a known for head and head gasket failures due partly to the location of the radiator, crank angle sensors fail often and try changing the middle two spark plugs which is IMO a pita. Daryl >>>>> the vl was the only decent commodore ever made >>>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > sensors fail often and try changing the middle two spark plugs which is > IMO a pita. Piece of piss actually and you forgot air flow meter failures which are common and expensive. >>>>>> the vl was the only decent commodore ever made >>>>> For once, you're right. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Piece of piss actually and you forgot air flow meter failures which are > common and expensive. Changing those 2 plugs might be easy for someone who has done it many times, I've done it twice that I can remember and it was a pita both times. Daryl >>>>>>> the vl was the only decent commodore ever made >>>>>> For once, you're right. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > times, I've done it twice that I can remember and it was a pita both > times. Remove duct 1 minute + time it takes to replace 6 plugs on any other car. It's not a question of how many times ;-) |
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