similar things are used on canterbury road south melbourne as well,
although there's a dedicated lane.

Albm&ctd wrote...

And that figure is meaningless, too, given that there are more cars on the
road and that overall, the rate is no different to any other two week
period during the year.

I counted up the death notice summaries in the Herald-Sun newspaper over a
few days some time back. The number of notices averaged out at around 140
or so. We are currently seeing less than one person a day being killed in
motor vehicle crashes.

So, say, 0.8 divided by 140 gives how much a percentage that the road toll
has compared to everyone else who dies that particular day?

Yet they plough more resources into 'anti road toll' measures
proportionately to what we plough into health and medical research,
hospitals and the like.

Banning radar detectors to stop people speeding is akin to banning
cholesterol and high sugar foods to stop people dying from heart attacks
and diabetes related diseases. But they won't do it. One get's 'em
revenue, the other, well, it extends peoples' lives into their retirement
years and an increasingly higher drain on the public purse (pensions,
health cards, etc..)

I don't have trouble with reading the signs, just wasn't brave enough
decades ago when I passed through there like a good curry. Actually I wasn't
in a hurry so just did the easy thing, go one intersection further on and
then do 3 left turns. Problem solved.

I do remember a more complicated sign though, one that stated "No
articulated pantechnicons allowed". At the time I had no idea what that
meant so just drove on and did what most locals seemed to be doing, ignore
all signs and red lights.

I know plenty of locals who think they suck bigtime. Me included :)

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Regards,
Noddy.

Agreed - but IIRC, the signs include f.ck-all about the preferred timing
of the weirdo activities concerned?

I reckon it's revenge by the trammies on the rest of us  - because they
can't STEER.

The 'short right hand turn' (as it was originally known) was only
introduced in most states sometime in the1960's AFAIK.  Prior to that
turning from the left lane was the norm.

It probably made sense in the days when there were still a lot of
horse drawn vehicles in use...   effectively you gave way to the
traffic coming from both directions, behind and in front.

No doubt it's also the reason the tram lines were put in the centre of
the road in the first place.  :)

They're in the Queensland Traffic Regulations, too so you can't go down
there and plead ignorance:-).
rgds,
huddo

Yes well they lanes are marked well but I guess it's just so opposite to our
thinking like if  we put in just a a few sets of lights in where red had the
word "go" and green had the word "stop". Or a few specific roundabouts
traveled the opposite direction to others, many non regulars would stuff up
occassionally I suspect.

Daryl Walford wrote...

And you're assuming that said signs can be seen. Many of them cannot,
particularly street names.

It's fine for the locals who know where everything is. But for those who
do not visit Melbourne very often it can be a nightmare.

And those hook turn signs are nearly as cryptic as the Times Crossword...

I have neck and back problems and I find it no trouble doing the hook turns
I use those little things called rear view mirrors, which I have on both
sides of the vehicle

Victorian Road Rules state that the tram has right of way at all times and
right turning car nearly always goes over the tram lines when turning right
waiting for traffic coming the other to cease.

So, why complain about the hook turns, you appear to have managed

One way to avoid all those dreaded hook turns is
Catch a tram