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Car Forum / Australian Car Forums / General Car Topics (Australian group) / February 2008Improve your Milage by 50%
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..... Another day, Another scam. See http://www.geocities.com/midimagic@sbcglobal.net/hydrognk.htm Physics baby Physics. > ..... Another day, Another scam. > > See http://www.geocities.com/midimagic@sbcglobal.net/hydrognk.htm > > Physics baby Physics. That site is talking about Hydrogen, the water4gas solution is using browns gas which is completely feasible to supplement petrol. >> See http://www.geocities.com/midimagic@sbcglobal.net/hydrognk.htm >> Physics baby Physics. > That site is talking about Hydrogen, the water4gas solution is using browns > gas which is completely feasible to supplement petrol. So's hydrogen. But both still aren't any less of a scam though. You learn this in high school chemistry. It takes more energy to tear water apart than you get out of putting it back together again. No matter what technique you use. As it has *already* been said a zillion times, you're better off using that energy to break it apart to do the work in the first place.  SignatureLinux Registered User # 302622 <http://counter.li.org> > > ..... Another day, Another scam. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > That site is talking about Hydrogen, the water4gas solution is using browns > gas which is completely feasible to supplement petrol. Same situation you would need more electrical energy than an a cars alternator to produce enough cas to make it worth while for ANY real benefit. Just another scam. On Feb 16, 1:06 pm, "philby" <s...@dd.com> wrote: > "ausmartin" <ausmar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > browns > gas which is completely feasible to supplement petrol. Same situation you would need more electrical energy than an a cars alternator to produce enough cas to make it worth while for ANY real benefit. Just another scam. Chesk this out http://www.smacksboosters.110mb.com/ > On Feb 16, 1:06 pm, "philby" <s...@dd.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Chesk this outhttp://www.smacksboosters.110mb.com/ To save me the maths, here is answer already worked out: From http://au.answers.yahoo.com/answers2/frontend.php/question?qid=20080211070525AAdUpDN "Answerer 8 Here we go again, can't and won't work, all they are doing is taking electrical power from the alternator to break water in to hydrogen and oxygen. Brown gas is a mix of hydrogen and oxygen, but I've seen it called HHO, or they claim to break down hydrogen-oxide, Dihydrogen monoxide or DHMO, hydroxic acid or hydroxylic acid, or as I like to call it water. You get less energy out then you put in. IT'S been TESTED and IT DOESN'T WORK! Every time this device is tested it fails badly. I could go into why it can't work and will if you wish, but just think about this, even if you believe the auto manufacturing companies are in bed with big oil, why hasn't say India put it on their cars, or Japan and country that imports ALL it's oil jumped on this? Or did big oil get to them too? You mean to tell me big oil got to every country that makes cars and they all sold out, come on, if really helped you'd see them on cars right now, the car companies have to make the CAFÉ numbers. This is just a con to part you from your money. EDIT Worked out the math here you go. Assuming your engine is in perfect tune, you get about 20%-to 37% the energy you put into it back as work, you lose about 7% to friction and the rest is lost in the cooling system and exhaust. Now assuming your alternator is 55% efficient, and let do the math. Gasoline has a BTU of 18,000 per pound. So now we have 18,000 BTU to play with, assuming we have a very efficient engine we start with 18,000 times your engine efficiency so 18000 x 37% we now have 6660 Btu then assuming we have an alternator that is 55% efficient our 6660 now becomes 3663 BTU. So to break EVEN that 3663 BTU must produce 18,000 BTU of hydrogen, and to increase your fuel mileage it MUST make more. I know they told you the alternator is wasting electricity, it isn't, when you don't need as much electricity your alternator doesn't put it out and thus doesn't use as much power from the engine. But there is NO way for 3663 BTUs to make 18000 BTU if it could you would be making more power then you use" Not really practical is it. Hence another scam On Feb 16, 5:01 pm, "philby" <s...@dd.com> wrote: > "ausmartin" <ausmar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Chesk this outhttp://www.smacksboosters.110mb.com/ >> To save me the maths, here is answer already worked out: >> From >> http://au.answers.yahoo.com/answers2/frontend.php/question?qid=20080211070525AAdUpDN >> "Answerer 8 >> Here we go again, can't and won't work, all they are doing is taking >> electrical power from the alternator to break water in to hydrogen and >> oxygen. >> Brown gas is a mix of hydrogen and oxygen, but I've seen it called >> HHO, or they claim to break down hydrogen-oxide, Dihydrogen monoxide >> or DHMO, hydroxic acid or hydroxylic acid, or as I like to call it >> water. You get less energy out then you put in. IT'S been TESTED and >> IT DOESN'T WORK! Every time this device is tested it fails badly. >> I could go into why it can't work and will if you wish, but just think >> about this, even if you believe the auto manufacturing companies are [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> see them on cars right now, the car companies have to make the CAFÉ >> numbers. >> This is just a con to part you from your money. >> EDIT >> Worked out the math here you go. >> Assuming your engine is in perfect tune, you get about 20%-to 37% the >> energy you put into it back as work, you lose about 7% to friction and >> the rest is lost in the cooling system and exhaust. Now assuming your >> alternator is 55% efficient, and let do the math. >> Gasoline has a BTU of 18,000 per pound. >> So now we have 18,000 BTU to play with, assuming we have a very >> efficient engine we start with 18,000 times your engine efficiency so >> 18000 x 37% we now have 6660 Btu then assuming we have an alternator >> that is 55% efficient our 6660 now becomes 3663 BTU. So to break EVEN >> that 3663 BTU must produce 18,000 BTU of hydrogen, and to increase >> your fuel mileage it MUST make more. >> I know they told you the alternator is wasting electricity, it isn't, >> when you don't need as much electricity your alternator doesn't put it >> out and thus doesn't use as much power from the engine. But there is>> >> NO way for 3663 BTUs to make 18000 BTU if it could you would be making >> more power then you use" >> Not really practical is it. >> Hence another scam I'm not suggesting Over Unity like your argument here, what I'm saying is this is a good SUPPLEMENTAL fuel. > this is a good SUPPLEMENTAL fuel.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Only if it was a supplemental fuel, not created by the cars alternator as that is being driven by the engine burning fuel. Make this miracle suplement outside of the car say using solar / wind power - well maybe. But these kit's to use the cars alternator output for their catalists = 20Amps ! They are really taking the piss out of us don't you think ? >> this is a good SUPPLEMENTAL fuel.- Hide quoted text - >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > = 20Amps ! > They are really taking the piss out of us don't you think ? I have a SUPPLEMENTAL smack system running on a holden 202 and have an average of 24% saving on fuel cost, so as far as I am concerned I am pissing on the fuel company. You be the judge. > I have a SUPPLEMENTAL smack system running on a holden 202 and have an > average of 24% saving on fuel cost, so as far as I am concerned I am pissing > on the fuel company. You be the judge. Your not an Smack agent are you ? (Good luck with your distribution). Be interesting if it had a proper scientific report done on it the wopping 24% claim. Car compaines especially the USA ones will all be lining up for SMACK, considering they are all in dodo over there with MPG requirements. Heck with this logic GM's Bob lutz is of his nut as a $200.00 SMACK kit fitted to each car will fix the problem! Bob was quoting more like 6,000 dollars per car to eachieve. GM still got 29B left after the 39B last years right down. Maybe he should stop the E-flex / Volt project and buy SMACK out ! - Now I'm getting sarcastic, apologies over that ! After all lets face it there were so MANY devices like this in the past, Brock polerizer, Cyclone Air attachments - all proven later to be a w.nk. So for now I'm still a skeptic :-) >> I have a SUPPLEMENTAL smack system running on a holden 202 and have an >> average of 24% saving on fuel cost, so as far as I am concerned I am [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > So for now I'm still a skeptic :-) Not an agent at all, just used the open source information on the net (it's easy to find via your favourite search engine), there are others pushing 30-40% with some installations. I am using a Pulse Width Modulator (PWM) and getting great results out of tap water. I agree there are heaps of shysters out there trying to rip off your average Joe, but the backyard inventor is more than capable of inventing and sharing new designs and concepts...... :) Look what happened to Stan Myers. > Not an agent at all, just used the open source information on the net (it's > easy to find via your favourite search engine), there are others pushing > 30-40% with some installations. I am using a Pulse Width Modulator (PWM) and .. Funny that, On the net I'm just getting all the opposite :-> http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic10778-0-asc-30.html Even includes the famous water torch. Now that was a class act ! >> Not an agent at all, just used the open source information on the net >> (it's [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Even includes the famous water torch. > Now that was a class act ! Well I'll leave your skepticism intact and maybe choose a better search engine, keep paying the man if you like and good luck mate :) Hey Philby, PS Stan Myers was a fraudster. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fuel_cell Excellent article me thinks, including the part about violating the laws of thermodynamics. That just about seals it. Unfortunetly for all of us Stan was no Newton it looks like. Be excellent if it was true. As to car running on water injection NOx polution levels would be an issue :-( > Hey Philby, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > As to car running on water injection NOx polution levels would be an > issue :-( I agree running a engine on water via his water injection invention is way out there, but a HHO generator as a supplement fuel for an ICE is definitely a reality. Remember to stay on track about HHO as a supplement fuel source. >> this is a good SUPPLEMENTAL fuel.- Hide quoted text - >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > = 20Amps ! > They are really taking the piss out of us don't you think ? 20 amps is what is takes to run my two spotlights and I don't suffer any noticeable drop in fuel economy while doing so So if I run a system that takes 20amps to run and it produces enough gas to run as a supplement to the diesel I would normally use and I get even a 5% increase in economy then I am in front am I not?? Kev |
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