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Twice now (at different servos) I've been unable to get V-Power - anyone know whats the story here? >Twice now (at different servos) I've been unable to get V-Power - anyone >know whats the story here? Odd you should mention that. BP seem to have very limited supplies of Premium unleaded and offer only Ultimate as a substitute. Not that I'm complaining as both my daughters and my MX5, my EVO, the supercharged Lancia VX and supercharged Verada use less fuel and run better on the super premium. OzOne of the three twins I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace. >>Twice now (at different servos) I've been unable to get V-Power - anyone >>know whats the story here? > > Odd you should mention that. > BP seem to have very limited supplies of Premium unleaded and offer only > Ultimate as a substitute. BP Ultimate is my favourite (I swear both of my cars run best on it) and yes, I did notice that BP seemed to be out of the Premium (the tag at the bowser implied it will be a fairly long term thing too). Yesterday after leaving the Shell at Nowra, I chucked in $10 worth of Caltex Vortex - enough to last me until I got to the BP in Albion Park... > Not that I'm complaining as both my daughters and my MX5, my EVO, the > supercharged Lancia VX and supercharged Verada use less fuel and run > better on the super premium. 'Super Premium' - as in BP Ultimate? If so, I agree... seems to be the best commonly available fuel out there. NB: I just checked BP's site - and there is NO BP servo in Nowra... that's incredible, considering the size of the place. >'Super Premium' - as in BP Ultimate? If so, I agree... seems to be the >best commonly available fuel out there. Yep. >NB: I just checked BP's site - and there is NO BP servo in Nowra... >that's incredible, considering the size of the place. Amazing! None till Ulladulla! OzOne of the three twins I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace. > >'Super Premium' - as in BP Ultimate? If so, I agree... seems to be the > >best commonly available fuel out there. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace. Shell have been out for about 3 weeks now in Sydney. I originally had a conspiracy theory, but now I think they're genuinely out of the stuff ;-( > Shell have been out for about 3 weeks now in Sydney. I originally had > a conspiracy theory, but now I think they're genuinely out of the > stuff ;-( ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Shell V-power are always out so I don't bother to go to Shell anymore. -- I.use.Caltex.98.RON.which.is.ALWAYS.available. > > Shell have been out for about 3 weeks now in Sydney. I originally had > > a conspiracy theory, but now I think they're genuinely out of the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > I.use.Caltex.98.RON.which.is.ALWAYS.available. That's what I've been using too, for a pretty roundabout reason - our local Woollies is shut for reno's, and before they shut they were giving out vouchers for 10% off at the next closest Woollies. Last shop trip came to $90, less $9 discount, took the docket to the closest servo, filled up with Vortex 98 @ a pump price of $1.37.9 cpl, picked up a Herald and two drinks (2 for $4.00), and got a 8c off per litre! when I added it all up I'd saved enough for me to think this docket thing might be worthwhile............. >> >'Super Premium' - as in BP Ultimate? If so, I agree... seems to be the >> >best commonly available fuel out there. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >a conspiracy theory, but now I think they're genuinely out of the >stuff ;-( Local BP had only Ultimate this afternoon!!? OzOne of the three twins I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace. > Not that I'm complaining as both my daughters and my MX5, my EVO, the > supercharged Lancia VX and supercharged Verada use less fuel and run > better on the super premium. Why not just say both my daughters and my vehicles use less fuel and run better on the super premium? SJ. >> Not that I'm complaining as both my daughters and my MX5, my EVO, the >> supercharged Lancia VX and supercharged Verada use less fuel and run >> better on the super premium. > > Why not just say both my daughters and my vehicles use less fuel and run > better on the super premium? Good point. >> Not that I'm complaining as both my daughters and my MX5, my EVO, the >> supercharged Lancia VX and supercharged Verada use less fuel and run [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >SJ. Because they all require premium for a start, all do run better on the SPULP and 3 are not common applications. It would be very odd if my daughter drove a Lada and I had a collection of Lightburns...yet claimed they ran better on SPULP would it not? OzOne of the three twins I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace. OzOne wrote... > Not that I'm complaining as both my daughters and my MX5, my EVO, the Hmm. I'll have to try that. Feed my daughters premium unleaded and see they can work any better... > supercharged Lancia VX and supercharged Verada use less fuel and run > better on the super premium. [skeptic mode on] I doubt very much if you'd pick any difference in performance or economy, particularly if your driving varies as much as anyone else's does. The only time that you'd pick it if the car's designed to run on say, 95RON or higher and you fill it on 91RON fuel. If the car's manual says "91RON or higher" then you're wasting your money running it on anything higher, especially if you go with the top end fuel, which around here at least, is close to $1.55/litre.  SignatureToday's payslip has more deductions than a Sherlock Holmes novel. >OzOne wrote... > >> Not that I'm complaining as both my daughters and my MX5, my EVO, the > >Hmm. I'll have to try that. Feed my daughters premium unleaded and see >they can work any better... Might work......and if not they could always get jobs in the circus. >> supercharged Lancia VX and supercharged Verada use less fuel and run >> better on the super premium. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I doubt very much if you'd pick any difference in performance or economy, >particularly if your driving varies as much as anyone else's does. I run 5 or 6 tanks thru and ckeck mileage, then switch and do the same...as a cross check, I then switched back to the original. I show consistently better mileage on the super premium in the Vearada. The Lancia is a little more difficult as it does very few miles though it does 'feel' more responsive on the SP. >The only time that you'd pick it if the car's designed to run on say, >95RON or higher and you fill it on 91RON fuel. Ya think..... >If the car's manual says "91RON or higher" then you're wasting your money >running it on anything higher, especially if you go with the top end fuel, >which around here at least, is close to $1.55/litre. The Mazdas, Evo, Lancia and Verada all require 95.....they do better on SP and I like the idea of the cleaner burn etc. OzOne of the three twins I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace. OzOne wrote... > >[skeptic mode on] > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I show consistently better mileage on the super premium in the > Vearada. Yeah, yeah, sure you do... > The Lancia is a little more difficult as it does very few miles though > it does 'feel' more responsive on the SP. Ah, the gut feeling, thoroughly scientfic method of analysing something. Just like the claims that your other vehicles perform better on higher octane fuel. Sorry, but I just cannot accept that you or anyone else can pick it when you change fuels like that. Especially those who claim that say, Optimax runs better in their car than Mobil 98 or Caltex Vortex or whatever. Given that most of this sh.t comes out of the same refineries and the same tanks, it makes it all the more difficult to swallow. >OzOne wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Yeah, yeah, sure you do... Yeah....sure....I do. Because unlike ignorant arseholes like you, I like to see if a product actually works before either spending much of my hard earned cash on it, or bagging it! >> The Lancia is a little more difficult as it does very few miles though >> it does 'feel' more responsive on the SP. > >Ah, the gut feeling, thoroughly scientfic method of analysing something. Yes, the gut feeling ...It is after all why I wrote 'feel'!! >Just like the claims that your other vehicles perform better on higher >octane fuel. > >Sorry, but I just cannot accept that you or anyone else can pick it when >you change fuels like that. Especially those who claim that say, Optimax >runs better in their car than Mobil 98 or Caltex Vortex or whatever. Oh dear....I've never claimed that I get any more benefit from different brands of SP JUST that I get benefits from using SP over PULP. >Given that most of this sh.t comes out of the same refineries and the same >tanks, it makes it all the more difficult to swallow. You really don't have much of a clue do you! OzOne of the three twins I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace. OzOne wrote... > >Yeah, yeah, sure you do... > > Yeah....sure....I do. > Because unlike ignorant arseholes like you, I like to see if a product > actually works before either spending much of my hard earned cash on > it, or bagging it! Ah, so, when I poo-poo your "gut feeling" that PULP is better than ULP you suggest that I'm ignorant and that I spend my dough on stuff before researching it. Wow. That's a long bow to pull. > Oh dear....I've never claimed that I get any more benefit from different brands of SP Never said that you did. It's the same thing, though. People who think that one brand of fuel is better than another. > >Given that most of this sh.t comes out of the same refineries and the same > >tanks, it makes it all the more difficult to swallow. > > You really don't have much of a clue do you! Well, if I don't, then you and I are in good company, aren't we? >OzOne wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >suggest that I'm ignorant and that I spend my dough on stuff before >researching it. Ummm I'm suggesting that I have actually tried the stuff and have seen positive benefits whereas You have apparently not tried it. My case is a little stronger than yours! >Wow. That's a long bow to pull. >> Oh dear....I've never claimed that I get any more benefit from different brands of SP > >Never said that you did. It's the same thing, though. People who think >that one brand of fuel is better than another. Some are.....better than others. >> >Given that most of this sh.t comes out of the same refineries and the same >> >tanks, it makes it all the more difficult to swallow. >> >> You really don't have much of a clue do you! > >Well, if I don't, then you and I are in good company, aren't we? I'd suggest that you take a closer look at the different types of fuels before making a bigger arse of yourself. OzOne of the three twins I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace. OzOne wrote... > >Ah, so, when I poo-poo your "gut feeling" that PULP is better than ULP you > >suggest that I'm ignorant and that I spend my dough on stuff before > >researching it. > > Ummm I'm suggesting that I have actually tried the stuff and have seen > positive benefits whereas You have apparently not tried it. > My case is a little stronger than yours! In your mind, perhaps. I've run the various flavors of PULP and ULP through a number of vehicles and each time I came to the conclusion that all I was doing was spending more dough for no appreciable benefit. I record the fuel fill and odometer readings for all my vehicles as they all get filled up on the Mobil card (it was a Shell card til recently). The vehicles are/were: Toyota Camry (2.2l 4 cyl) Kia Sportage (2.0l 4 cyl) VT Commodore SS (5.0l V8) VX Commodore SS (5.7l V8) Mazda Tribute (3.0l V6) Kawasaki ZZR1100 (1.1l 4 cyl) Honda CBR1000 (1.0l 4 cyl) Honda CBR1100 (1.1l 4 cyl) The only exception was that the ZZR used to rattle under heavy load on ULP. I discovered this after I stopped running it on Super (leaded petrol) when it became unavailable. So I ran it on PULP. However, neither performance nor economy was affected one way or the other. So, again, please excuse me if I think that you're full of sh.t if you think that your vehicles' economy, performance or chick pulling power is enhanced if you run them on anything other than what the manufacturer recommends. >OzOne wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >enhanced if you run them on anything other than what the manufacturer >recommends. All very interesting.....However I just happen to be running vehicles that REQUIRE PULP on SPULP. Your data is as irrelevant as you! OzOne of the three twins I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace. OzOne wrote... > All very interesting.....However I just happen to be running vehicles > that REQUIRE PULP on SPULP. Ah, now that's a entirely different kettle of fish (or tank of PULP). This wasn't mentioned in dispatches, to the best of my knowledge. Read where I said that unless the car's manufacturer says that it requires say 95RON or higher, then you're wasting your money. That was my entire point which either seems to have escaped you or now that you are changing your story. Care to list those vehicles that you and your family drives again? I'll even go and look them up on the manufacturers' websites myself. Not that I want to catch you out as a bullshit artist (TonyS seems to be doing a good enough job of that by himself) or anything... >OzOne wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Ah, now that's a entirely different kettle of fish (or tank of PULP). This >wasn't mentioned in dispatches, to the best of my knowledge. Then you need to pay more attention. Here is my FIRST post in this thread.....the rest were in a similar vein however it seems you preferred to ignore what I was writing for the sake of an argument! "Odd you should mention that. BP seem to have very limited supplies of Premium unleaded and offer only Ultimate as a substitute. Not that I'm complaining as both my daughters and my MX5, my EVO, the supercharged Lancia VX and supercharged Verada use less fuel and run better on the super premium." >Read where I said that unless the car's manufacturer says that it requires >say 95RON or higher, then you're wasting your money. That was my entire [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >want to catch you out as a bullshit artist (TonyS seems to be doing a good >enough job of that by himself) or anything... 2 x current model MX5's A late model Verada, Sprintex supercharged by Sprintex I'll even post a link to a Wheels article and draw your attention to their mistake where they say the Magna can run on 91RON...it cannot http://www.sprintex.com.au/files/magna__diamond_wedding_wheels_april_05.pdf A Mitsu Evo 9 A lancia HPE VX (Lancia sprintex style supercharger) Maybe instead of trying to catch anyone out, You should instead just use your obviously limited capacity and READ! OzOne of the three twins I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace. > OzOne wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Given that most of this sh.t comes out of the same refineries and the same > tanks, it makes it all the more difficult to swallow. Just did some back of envelope scratching re this Situation : exclusive use of BP via reliance fuel card new car 2.4 fuel injected Hyundai March 07 Current Km 54000 Operating conditions mostly in the scrub and 60/tar 40 Dirt Average OAT 38C over 12 months Average humidity < 12% over 12 months Average height above Sea level (for the EMS) 840 Feet Air conditioner use 70 % Over the life of the vehicle have tried all 3 petrol mixes then worked back cost of fuel in / Km travelled to get a fuel cost cents per KM Not adjusted for different pump prices as when in the areas where cheap fuel is available fill up 4 20 litre cans ( Ultimate) and blend 20 ltrs 50 of Ultimate to 91 Normal bp fuel Bottom line is car gets best bang for buck using 95 Although miles travelled increase with 98 cost per Km actually is line ball or less per km due to higher cost of inputs . What really increases the economy is sitting right on 108 KMPH Go up to 115 and its worth a hit of 1.45 litres per 100 KM go to 120 with air con on and its an even bigger hit and Guaranteed loss of points as plod can pick us up miles away on the flat landscapes with the new Radar out here. COD Cd of vehicle is I think about 0.32 clean with all the mud and dust lets say 0.35 Thus 95 RON appears the best for the open road in stop start doubt it matters much HTH Just my 2 cents On Sun, 9 Mar 2008 18:49:32 -0700 (PDT), Pits8 blathered on in :aus.cars >> OzOne wrote... >> [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > HTH > Just my 2 cents Inclined to agree. About the 95, I mean - sh.t it's just a little down on the old Super, after all:-) > OzOne wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Given that most of this sh.t comes out of the same refineries and the same > tanks, it makes it all the more difficult to swallow. the 98 fuels are one of the fuels that are brand specific as are some of the brand specific premiums(vortex, V-Power etc) but basic PULP and ULP are common use fuels Diesel is a bit of a mix due to the still different sulphur levels(50ppm and 10ppm) the problem with having brand specific fuels is you may get compatibility issues with the additives used, Chemists at BP don't recommend mixing Ultimat98 with other fuels Kev > the problem with having brand specific fuels is you may get > compatibility issues with the additives used, Chemists at BP don't > recommend mixing Ultimat98 with other fuels > > Kev Interesting! I'd love to know why as I'm sure mixing would be inevitable. Since V-power disappeared (over a f.cking month now!!) I've mixed just about all brands of 98. ;-( In article <acba0cca-6ccd-4e2e-b47c-c8bb7bbd7363@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > > the problem with having brand specific fuels is you may get > > compatibility issues with the additives used, Chemists at BP don't [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > inevitable. Since V-power disappeared (over a f.cking month now!!) > I've mixed just about all brands of 98. ;-( It's simply so they can con you into buying their fuel, and *only* their fuel. In other words, it's complete and utter crap. HTH :-) Cheers, Andy. >the problem with having brand specific fuels is you may get >compatibility issues with the additives used, Chemists at BP don't >recommend mixing Ultimat98 with other fuels Does any oil company actually employ chemists? Reason I ask is I once knew a bloke who worked for an oil company. He was the one you usually got if you rang their 'Chemist Info Line' (as they liked to call it). He was a graduate mechanical engineer. His position with the oil company was 'lubrication engineer'. His knowledge of chemistry was basic high school level! :) SignatureJohn H Kev wrote... > the problem with having brand specific fuels is you may get > compatibility issues with the additives used, Chemists at BP don't > recommend mixing Ultimat98 with other fuels I would imagine that they wouldn't. Kev wrote... > the problem with having brand specific fuels is you may get > compatibility issues with the additives used, Chemists at BP don't > recommend mixing Ultimat98 with other fuels I forgot to ask this in the other post to you. But if this is the case why then don't the petrol suppliers state this. And more importantly state what these issues are? If there are geniunely problems with mixing fuels then someone, at some stage is bound to cop this with a repair bill. And this then gets back to liability issues, who pays for it, who covers it if still under warranty, etc.. > Kev wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > liability issues, who pays for it, who covers it if still under warranty, > etc.. I doubt there would be any major issues other than ending up with a lower performing fuel try complaining to any of them about a less than optimal performing engine, chances are if you mixed brands they will tell you it's not the fault of their fuel alone or theirs alone Kev > the 98 fuels are one of the fuels that are brand specific > as are some of the brand specific premiums(vortex, V-Power etc) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > compatibility issues with the additives used, Chemists at BP don't > recommend mixing Ultimat98 with other fuels just to add to this Shell have normal ULP/PULP that they sell to third party fuel sites(like 7-11, Matilda etc.) all shell sites have what is called ULP-FE and PULP-FE which contains an additive injected at the loading arm I'm not sure what the additive is but I don't think it's much more than a kero based injector cleaner Kev > Sorry, but I just cannot accept that you or anyone else can pick it when > you change fuels like that. Especially those who claim that say, Optimax > runs better in their car than Mobil 98 or Caltex Vortex or whatever. You have no idea how wrong you are. Signaturehttp://fun.drno.de/pics/english/rooftops.jpg Jeßus wrote... > > Sorry, but I just cannot accept that you or anyone else can pick it when > > you change fuels like that. Especially those who claim that say, Optimax > > runs better in their car than Mobil 98 or Caltex Vortex or whatever. > > You have no idea how wrong you are. Well, I've not seen anyone demonstrate how "wrong" I am. Some character who calls itself "Jeßus" isn't exactly a testament to authority on this matter... > Jeßus wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > who calls itself "Jeßus" isn't exactly a testament to authority on this > matter... Mobil 98 makes zero difference to my car, even after swapping from higher or lower octane fuels. Last I looked, the local Mobil didn't call it 98 octane as there little brochure used to claim the actual number is irrelevant... Vortex I haven't used for some time but IIRC it did stop the pinging from the crap fuel the dealer had put into it before I picked it up. Generic 91 octane fuel is fine, although the power is way down. No noticable pinging or knocking but it feels like a slug. Shell 95 runs better than any 91 but the power increase would be hardly noticable to most drivers. V-Power is noticably more powerful at WOT with the engine revving much cleaner at the upper end. Overall far better than any regular ULP, absolutely noticable after Mobil 98. V-Power Racing (100 Octane) is more noticable in power increase than V-Power. Roll on WOT from 100K has the engine running much smoother and stronger to redline. This is the best fuel for my car (ignoring economics of price per k travelled). Once again, this is my experience over a 80000+ K with one particular car. >> Jeßus wrote... >> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > >Once again, this is my experience over a 80000+ K with one particular car. What is your car? OzOne of the three twins I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace. >>> Jeßus wrote... >>> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >> > What is your car? VT S with the supercharged V6. No rocket ship in itself but it definitely responds to better fuels. >> Sorry, but I just cannot accept that you or anyone else can pick it when >> you change fuels like that. Especially those who claim that say, Optimax >> runs better in their car than Mobil 98 or Caltex Vortex or whatever. > > You have no idea how wrong you are. Agreed, it is definitely noticable. It simply depends on the car, some are not going to respond at all and others will. >Twice now (at different servos) I've been unable to get V-Power - anyone >know whats the story here? Slow boat from Singapore most likely! SignatureJohn H >> Twice now (at different servos) I've been unable to get V-Power - anyone >> know whats the story here? > > Slow boat from Singapore most likely! Slow boat indeed! > Twice now (at different servos) I've been unable to get V-Power - anyone > know whats the story here? Available at most Shell servos, probably ran out of stock before the price went up....happens regularly. Luckily I only fill up once every 2 or 3 weeks. Or are you talking about the V-Power Racing fuel (100 octane with 5% ethanol)? It's definitely the best performing fuel I've ever tested in my car. >> Twice now (at different servos) I've been unable to get V-Power - anyone >> know whats the story here? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > ethanol)? It's definitely the best performing fuel I've ever tested in my > car. Nah, just the common variety V Power... that other stuff is too expensive and too hard to find outside of major centers. Every Shell station I've been to in the Illawarra/Shoalhaven is out of V Power. I'm amazed at how little redundancy they have in their processing facilities - they must be losing a sh.t load of money at the moment, as I'm sure there are others like me who'd rather go to another servo to get something better than 95RON sh.t. > Twice now (at different servos) I've been unable to get V-Power - anyone > know whats the story here? Broken catalytic reformer at the Clyde Refinery. >> Twice now (at different servos) I've been unable to get V-Power - anyone >> know whats the story here? > > Broken catalytic reformer at the Clyde Refinery. They shut down in january and will be down for several months,doing thier maintence shut down while thier at it. also they are having troubles with geelong shut for about eight weeks .also caltex at lytton was down for three weeks.Shell is trying to get Premium fuel from singaporebut is having to fight the chinese for it . >> Twice now (at different servos) I've been unable to get V-Power - anyone >> know whats the story here? > > Broken catalytic reformer at the Clyde Refinery. I did read that - but that was quite some time ago? It amazes me that one breakdown could cripple them this badly. > Twice now (at different servos) I've been unable to get V-Power - anyone > know whats the story here? Now there's no fvcking BP Ultimate! This is getting ridiculous... > Twice now (at different servos) I've been unable to get V-Power - anyone > know whats the story here? 'Story' seems to be the same. 'technical problems'... complete and utter bullshit, obviously: ---------------------------------------------------- Fuel drought as refinery problems cause shortages Article from: The Daily Telegraph By Heath Aston, Transport Reporter January 30, 2008 12:00am MOTORISTS face the likelihood of petrol shortages amid claims oil companies are using refinery malfunctions to exploit consumers by inflating prices. Shell confirmed yesterday that its unleaded supplies were "tight" after the breakdown of the catalytic cracking unit at its Clyde refinery. Shell spokesman Peter Scott said outlets were short of unleaded while 100 sites were without premium unleaded since supplies dried up last week. The shortages come amid a flurry of other refinery malfunctions up and down the east coast. A refinery worker at Caltex told The Daily Telegraph that Kurnell's two catalytic crackers were working at 85 per cent and 70 per cent capacity due to technical problems. One cracker - the machinery that breaks crude oil into a range of transport fuels - is due to be shut down completely in five weeks for a mandatory service. Caltex's Lytton refinery in Brisbane is also experiencing technical problems, while BP's Brisbane refinery is operating at 50 per cent. There has also been speculation that Shell's 125,000 barrel-a-day Geelong refinery near Melbourne would be partially closed for eight weeks from February 1. The Australian Consumer and Competition Commission and motoring group NRMA have warned the petrol companies not to use refinery problems as a reason to keep prices high. ACCC chairman Graeme Samuel has demanded meetings with the bosses of BP, Mobil, Shell and Caltex for them to explain why local pump prices have not fallen in line with the drop in the Singapore benchmark. Last week, Mr Samuel said he had "lost patience" with the oil companies, saying the constant high-price of petrol was hurting every Australian. http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23129992-5005941,00.html ----------------------------------------------------- > Jeßus wrote: >> Twice now (at different servos) I've been unable to get V-Power - [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Shell spokesman Peter Scott said outlets were short of unleaded while > 100 sites were without premium unleaded since supplies dried up last week. And again Saturday nigh till Monday we had no Unleaded at Shell BP were also out of Diesel on Monday, I had to take Shell diesel to BP customers Monday night the weekend before Shell were loading out of BP Saturday and Sunday > The shortages come amid a flurry of other refinery malfunctions up and > down the east coast. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Last week, Mr Samuel said he had "lost patience" with the oil companies, > saying the constant high-price of petrol was hurting every Australian. Didn't he say that last year? and got tough with the Fuel Companies and he got them to do ... erm ... nothing ........ Loser Kev |
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