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Car Forum / Australian Car Forums / General Car Topics (Australian group) / February 2008Well Atec, you were right.
Here's me thinking I live "out of the way" enough to not have to worry about looting scum. I recall you saying something to the effect of "won't be long". Yesterday I got home and had a very sobering chat with my neighbour. Apparently a few nights ago 6 ute loads of scum came "spotlighting" at around 3am. He's a light sleeper (think "I love the smell of napalm in the mornin'!") so he got up and watched them for a bit. They never left the public road, but they shon lights at my place which is 300m from the road. They were looking for unattended houses like weekenders and things lying around. But 4 vehicles parked around my house suggests people are home. Anyway they came back up the road and this time my mate hit the floodlights and let off a round from his shottie. They all p1ssed off with their tails between their legs. The world is f.cked. I think it's time to upgrade my "defenses". > Here's me thinking I live "out of the way" enough to not have to worry > about looting scum. I recall you saying something to the effect of > "won't be long". Sometimes I prefer to be wrong and this is one of those times > Yesterday I got home and had a very sobering chat with my neighbour. > Apparently a few nights ago 6 ute loads of scum came "spotlighting" at [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > The world is f.cked. I think it's time to upgrade my "defenses". Do you have at least two dogs ? maybe some geese as well and if you need cameras email me for the right information ... sigh... might as well live in the city We have a modest property well out from here and have had to chase people off who though because it appeared unoccupied they would... Have a damned good think about what you think you need and sort it out now Damo.. good luck as it will only get worse (youth is wasted on the young) > Do you have at least two dogs ? I have one dog and he's retarded. Well, not really, but he never barks about anything and thinks all visitors are new friends. But what can you expect from a Golden Retriever? > maybe some geese as well and if you need cameras email me for the > right information ... sigh... might as well live in the city [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > now Damo.. good luck as it will only get worse (youth is wasted on the > young) Yes, "a damned good think" about what I need to do is all I've been doing since yesterday arvo. Thanks, I'll contact you if/when I get to the stage of electronic eyes. > > Do you have at least two dogs ? > > I have one dog and he's retarded. Well, not really, but he never barks > about anything and thinks all visitors are new friends. But what can > you expect from a Golden Retriever? You don't want a barking dog. Just one that rips the intruder's throats out. > >>> Do you have at least two dogs ? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You don't want a barking dog. Just one that rips the intruder's throats out. Bad advice , good dogs are harder to find than women who do on the first date A noisy dog IS a HUGE deterent >> >>>> Do you have at least two dogs ? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > date > A noisy dog IS a HUGE deterent Mates house got burgled, fitted an alarm as told to by insurance co, got done twice again, got 2 Alaskan Malamutes and the last 5 yrs no problems. The dogs are really quite harmless but if you don't know them they look very scary. Daryl > Here's me thinking I live "out of the way" enough to not have to worry > about looting scum. I recall you saying something to the effect of [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > The world is f.cked. I think it's time to upgrade my "defenses". Might be time to rent a mates flat (apartment) in Qld. ;-)  SignatureTake Care. ~~ Feral Al ( @..@) (\- :-P -/) ((.>__oo__<.)) ^^^ % ^^^ > Might be time to rent a mates flat (apartment) in Qld. ;-) For the low low price of $950 a week too! ;-) > > Might be time to rent a mates flat (apartment) in Qld. ;-) > > For the low low price of $950 a week too! ;-) Nah, pay $900 currently for the Shitney place, and $750 for a place nearer work a week. The QLD place purchased will be be rented out between $600 and $700 a week, and there is no land tax. atec is invited to put in an application :-) >>> Might be time to rent a mates flat (apartment) in Qld. ;-) >> For the low low price of $950 a week too! ;-) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > between $600 and $700 a week, and there is no > land tax. atec is invited to put in an application :-) apply for what ? I am happy to continue buying the block here thanks . "the_dawggie" <the_dawggie@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:d14c9204-b8fa-4039-9ce7- > Nah, pay $900 currently for the Shitney place, and > $750 for a place nearer work a week. And you want to live in that part of the country because...... > The QLD place purchased will be be rented out > between $600 and $700 a week, and there is no > land tax. atec is invited to put in an application :-) Lovely. -- Regards, Noddy. > "the_dawggie" <the_dawg...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > And you want to live in that part of the country because...... Don't really. I'll try work for the next 12 months, however think I'll leave the place. > > The QLD place purchased will be be rented out > > between $600 and $700 a week, and there is no > > land tax. atec is invited to put in an application :-) > Lovely. I'm really surprised anyone wants anything in Shitney. Interesting real estate market - everyone wants to rent stuff, however there is a lot more stuff for sale. Real estate agents go "fill out the form correctly otherwise we are not interested" to people who want to rent, and that's even in $750 price bracket. Go to $350 and there will be a queue of 50 people. It's quite f.cked up really. Land tax, land tax, land tax. Owners like I was gets the shites with it, so sell. "Diesel Damo" <Diesel_4WD@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message news:d0dcb834-0771-4099-a666- > For the low low price of $950 a week too! ;-) ROTFL :) -- Regards, Noddy. > Here's me thinking I live "out of the way" enough to not have to worry > about looting scum. I recall you saying something to the effect of [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > The world is f.cked. I think it's time to upgrade my "defenses". That's actually disturbing. At my mates property the gates are kept locked, however things have been known to go missing, not much however some stuff, and there is usually never anyone there. We don't leave anything of value there, and the gun safe is locked and kinda heavy. > That's actually disturbing. At my mates property the gates are kept > locked, however things have been known to go missing, not much > however some stuff, and there is usually never anyone there. We > don't leave anything of value there, and the gun safe is locked and > kinda heavy. That's one thing I've thought about, so at least if people want to approach the house then they'd have to do it on foot. But then again what's a padlock/chains going to do to a group of people who have come to loot. Bolt cutters would be item #1 in their kit :-/ >> That's actually disturbing. At my mates property the gates are kept >> locked, however things have been known to go missing, not much [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > what's a padlock/chains going to do to a group of people who have come > to loot. Bolt cutters would be item #1 in their kit :-/ Sensor lights aren't expensive and bright lights are a deterrent to thieves, you could even set up a sensor on the driveway 200mtrs from the house that turns night into day and sounds an alarm in the house. Daryl > >> That's actually disturbing. At my mates property the gates are kept > >> locked, however things have been known to go missing, not much [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > thieves, you could even set up a sensor on the driveway 200mtrs from the > house that turns night into day and sounds an alarm in the house. Yeah thought about that one. Drawback is any kind of wildlife will set them off and I don't want to annoy neighbours with bright lights out near the road. Plus if they're going off all the time I'll get desensitised to it myself (no pun intended). We have sensor lights in the house yard though. But yeah I'm still thinking in the area of movement detectors for something. Maybe not lights but something else perhaps. "Diesel Damo" <Diesel_4WD@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message news:4a287132-9327-41c1-a87e- > But yeah I'm still thinking in the area of movement detectors for > something. Maybe not lights but something else perhaps. Video cameras. Infrared cameras are cheap these days, and positioned where they're obvious to anyone makes them a great deterrent. I currently have a number of them at my place, and they're all hooked into my PC so they record and take snapshots as necessary (set up to do so by motion detection). I also have one of them configured (one that points down the driveway looking out into the street) so it can be viewed on any tv in the house (I have one in almost every room) and with a quick flick of the remote I can see what's going on out front if I hear something odd. My office PC is generally on all the time anyway, and it serves as the camera recording device. People can *clearly* see the camera's, and it gives them a moment of pause if they're planning anything shifty. They've also worked well in a couple of situations recently. One was a few months ago when I woke up one Sunday morning and found my letter box had run away from home. A quick check of the street revealed people's garden lights and other ornaments had been removed and strewn all over the place, and I wasn't the only victim. I went in and "checked the tape" and saw some local kid who I recognised looked to be ripped off his nut coming home from a bender had walked down the street helping himself to whatever was within easy reach, and a quick "word" with him later in the day had it sorted in no time. Another was recently when a neighbour who is a good mate a couple of doors down had his trailer knocked off out of his driveway during the day while he was at work, and the stupid c.nts who did so used a sign-written van that drove past my place to go get the trailer, and then again once they'd got it. I printed out a couple of pictures and passed them on to my mate, and the guys were apparently helping police with their enquiries not long after :) -- Regards, Noddy. > I currently have a number of them at my place, and they're all hooked into > my PC so they record and take snapshots as necessary (set up to do so by > motion detection). I also have one of them configured (one that points down > the driveway looking out into the street) so it can be viewed on any tv in > the house (I have one in almost every room) and with a quick flick of the > remote I can see what's going on out front if I hear something odd. I saw something like that on TV just this week. Trouble is, it was a house the fuzz was raiding. Drug manufacturing. :-P SignatureTake Care. ~~ Feral Al ( @..@) (\- :-P -/) ((.>__oo__<.)) ^^^ % ^^^ > Video cameras. Infrared cameras are cheap these days, and positioned where > they're obvious to anyone makes them a great deterrent. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the house (I have one in almost every room) and with a quick flick of the > remote I can see what's going on out front if I hear something odd. Nice! > My office PC is generally on all the time anyway, and it serves as the > camera recording device. People can *clearly* see the camera's, and it gives [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > I printed out a couple of pictures and passed them on to my mate, and the > guys were apparently helping police with their enquiries not long after :) Not bad. Cameras would be good, but they'd only be part of the solution in my case. And being a visible deterrent and having a record of things after the fact is a *large* part. On Feb 22, 3:23 pm, Daryl Walford <dwalf...@internode.on.net> wrote: > Diesel Damo wrote: > > On Feb 22, 1:59 pm, the_dawggie <the_dawg...@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > thieves, you could even set up a sensor on the driveway 200mtrs from the > house that turns night into day and sounds an alarm in the house. Yeah thought about that one. Drawback is any kind of wildlife will set them off and I don't want to annoy neighbours with bright lights out near the road. Plus if they're going off all the time I'll get desensitised to it myself (no pun intended). We have sensor lights in the house yard though. But yeah I'm still thinking in the area of movement detectors for something. Maybe not lights but something else perhaps. Rabbit traps are movement sensitive :) > On Feb 22, 3:23 pm, Daryl Walford <dwalf...@internode.on.net> wrote: >> Diesel Damo wrote: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Rabbit traps are movement sensitive :) Dog traps likewise, only better. Trouble is that most 4 legged dogs are OK - it's the 2 legged bastards that cause all the trouble. SignatureToby > > "Diesel Damo" <Diesel_...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message > > news:4a287132-9327-41c1-a87e- [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Trouble is that most 4 legged dogs are OK - it's the 2 legged bastards > that cause all the trouble. Oh, I'm a 2 legged dawggie, used to be a 4 legged one. In article <9d161034-e41c-4e50-92e2- 96bb1b7ace7c@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, the_dawggie@hotmail.com says... > > > "Diesel Damo" <Diesel_...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message > > > news:4a287132-9327-41c1-a87e- [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Oh, I'm a 2 legged dawggie, used to be a 4 legged one. Score: Traps 2 Dawggie 2 Al SignatureI don't take sides. It's more fun to insult everyone. http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html In article <4a287132-9327-41c1-a87e- fc2fea05b117@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Diesel_4WD@yahoo.com.au says... > something. Maybe not lights but something else perhaps. Killer sheep. Al SignatureI don't take sides. It's more fun to insult everyone. http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html > >> That's actually disturbing. At my mates property the gates are kept > >> locked, however things have been known to go missing, not much [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > thieves, you could even set up a sensor on the driveway 200mtrs from the > house that turns night into day and sounds an alarm in the house. Yep, I was thinking that too. I've got a nice 500W mercury vapour self ballasted flood lamp stored somewhere, however it takes a while to fully warm up, however turns night into day. However yep, could set up the cheap sensor lights, and trigger a dawg bark type device, lights in the house on type stuff. > > >> That's actually disturbing. At my mates property the gates are kept > > >> locked, however things have been known to go missing, not much [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > However yep, could set up the cheap sensor lights, and trigger > a dawg bark type device, lights in the house on type stuff. There's an idea. A sensor that turns the kitchen light on (the only light visible to the road) and wouldn't wake anyone up. It says "someone is home" but does not tip my hand in any way. >> > >> That's actually disturbing. At my mates property the gates are >> > >> kept locked, however things have been known to go missing, not [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > light visible to the road) and wouldn't wake anyone up. It says "someone > is home" but does not tip my hand in any way. Be a little careful of that light trick - you need to turn on a light that you don't have to get past to inspect the intruders. You need night vision unimpaired so you can see that all important fore-sight or barrel end, whichever you choose. BTW, I don't reckon your neighbours would bitch about a well aimed (real) parabolic spotlight triggered by movement. It's the light-bomb floods that give everyone the sh.ts round here - I've even heard owners of the things bitch about others:-) SignatureToby > Be a little careful of that light trick - you need to turn > on a light that you don't have to get past to inspect the > intruders. You need night vision unimpaired so you can see > that all important fore-sight or barrel end, whichever you > choose. Kitchen light is perfect for it. With the kitchen light visible from the road, there are two other road-facing windows that will still be as black as the night. I can get to them without having to pass through the light from the kitchen, and I can even get to the front and back doors without going near it. > BTW, I don't reckon your neighbours would bitch about a > well aimed (real) parabolic spotlight triggered by movement. > It's the light-bomb floods that give everyone the sh.ts > round here - I've even heard owners of the things bitch > about others:-) Yeah I should probably have a good look at what lights are available these days. If someone at the gate is standing in a shower of white light they're not going to be able to see past it all that well, so the "I can see you but you can't see me" effect comes into play. That's a big risk to take when snooping around was all you had in mind. I'd say the ideal thing here would be that the gate light comes on, 10 second delay, then the kitchen light comes on. On Feb 22, 10:27 pm, Toby Ponsenby <m...@privacy.net> wrote: > Be a little careful of that light trick - you need to turn > on a light that you don't have to get past to inspect the > intruders. You need night vision unimpaired so you can see > that all important fore-sight or barrel end, whichever you > choose. Kitchen light is perfect for it. With the kitchen light visible from the road, there are two other road-facing windows that will still be as black as the night. I can get to them without having to pass through the light from the kitchen, and I can even get to the front and back doors without going near it. > BTW, I don't reckon your neighbours would bitch about a > well aimed (real) parabolic spotlight triggered by movement. > It's the light-bomb floods that give everyone the sh.ts > round here - I've even heard owners of the things bitch > about others:-) Yeah I should probably have a good look at what lights are available these days. If someone at the gate is standing in a shower of white light they're not going to be able to see past it all that well, so the "I can see you but you can't see me" effect comes into play. That's a big risk to take when snooping around was all you had in mind. I'd say the ideal thing here would be that the gate light comes on, 10 second delay, then the kitchen light comes on. Only problem with most kitchens is they are the most open to view rooms in most houses, so after seeing light come on and seeing noone in the kitchen for 5 min they may not be detered if you're not home, I suggest any room other than bathroom/toilet, that has medium curtains > Only problem with most kitchens is they are the most open to view rooms in > most houses, so after seeing light come on and seeing noone in the kitchen > for 5 min they may not be detered if you're not home, I suggest any room > other than bathroom/toilet, that has medium curtains Hologram light in the kitchen of Damo "mooning"? He may have to replace the glass in the window on a regular basis of course. :-P SignatureTake Care. ~~ Feral Al ( @..@) (\- :-P -/) ((.>__oo__<.)) ^^^ % ^^^ > Only problem with most kitchens is they are the most open to > view rooms in most houses, so after seeing light come on and > seeing noone in the kitchen for 5 min they may not be detered > if you're not home, I suggest any room other than bathroom/ > toilet, that has medium curtains The thing is in my situation the house is 300m from the front gate where all this will initiate from. You couldn't tell from that distance if it's a kitchen or not. If they're going to hang around for 5 minutes investigating after my first line of defense then they're not the opportunistic scum that I'm trying to deal with. If someone is planning a full on strategic attack then none of this smoke and mirrors stuff will do anything. I suppose what I'm really aiming for here is to make them put me in the "too hard" basket when there are easier pickings around (let them try my mate next door <snicker>). >> Be a little careful of that light trick - you need to turn on a light >> that you don't have to get past to inspect the intruders. You need [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > I'd say the ideal thing here would be that the gate light comes on, 10 > second delay, then the kitchen light comes on. Getting there. If you have a shed and a remote switch for it's lighting - add in another say, 13 seconds for that (military trained jerkoffs will probably count the delay seconds to see if it's automated) which will allow investigators the opportunity to ponder what they can do about two bases of your operations to consider. You driveway should be set up as a clear field of fire, too. The idea if that intruders get to figure that all travel using that is a threat to them. Only the very worst/stupid/determined will take on a walk in the dark carrying what they stole one-way when they know you have reasonable lighting. Ideally it should also be possible to make the driveway itself completely visible from the road entry, if the house itself is the same with judicious use of Mr Chainsaw. (BTW, just starting one of those in the dead of night is a Top Deterrent IMO especially just after rapidly cocking a pump-action shottie 'somewhere' in the dark;-)) Locally, we had one house that was done over IIRC three times in as many years. It was the only one in the area that bad bastards could actually hide their cars from the road on the (very short and steep) driveway while they stole stuff. A Very Loud alarm was installed. Bad Bastards made one attempt, copped an alarm and the traffic in the general direction of their target at 2AM on two roads caused an extremely rapid departure to take place. Reason for that was there was only one way out of the place and that was about to be parked-in by residents of unknown belligerence potential. Nothing doing in the few years since:-) I guess we're talking about 'opportunistic' types here in terms of what they get up to in specific cases. Dealing with pre-planned crime is a different matter. sh.t I hope we're all a little way off having to do that. SignatureToby >>> Be a little careful of that light trick - you need to turn on a light >>> that you don't have to get past to inspect the intruders. You need [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > If you have a shed and a remote switch for it's lighting - add in another > say, Get a clue once , these posts are stored and with the advice you offer are open to multiple interpretations ... google liability in posting . >>>> Be a little careful of that light trick - you need to turn on a light >>>> that you don't have to get past to inspect the intruders. You need [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > are open to multiple interpretations ... > google liability in posting . Fortunately I'm offering opinion with one and only one interpretation. I have not offered anything at all in contravention of any law whatsoever. If google chooses to collect usernet posts that's their problem, not mine, or yours - few if any of us here have offered posts through their servers and those that haven't most certainly have neither requested google to store material nor given permission for them to store material for any purpose whatsoever. There's an evidence problem right there for you to ponder. BTW, we're talking about defence of a property here, not armed insurrection. SignatureToby >>>>> Be a little careful of that light trick - you need to turn on a light >>>>> that you don't have to get past to inspect the intruders. You need [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > I have not offered anything at all in contravention of any law > whatsoever. wrong ... > If google chooses to collect usernet posts that's their problem, not > mine, or yours - few if any of us here have offered posts through their > servers and those that haven't most certainly have neither requested > google to store material nor given permission for them to store material > for any purpose whatsoever. There's an evidence problem right there for > you to ponder. don't talk utter shite. > BTW, we're talking about defence of a property here, not armed > insurrection. mmmm >> Fortunately I'm offering opinion with one and only one interpretation. >> I have not offered anything at all in contravention of any law >> whatsoever. > wrong ... Go ahead... Make my day. SignatureToby > Getting there. > If you have a shed and a remote switch for it's lighting - [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > opportunity to ponder what they can do about two bases > of your operations to consider. That's not a bad addition. We have a nice big shed that would do just fine position-wise and size-wise. > You driveway should be set up as a clear field of fire, > too. It is. It's totally open for the entire trip to the house. > The idea if that intruders get to figure that all travel > using that is a threat to them. Only the very > worst/stupid/determined will take on a walk in the dark > carrying what they stole one-way when they know you have > reasonable lighting. > Ideally it should also be possible to make the driveway > itself completely visible from the road entry, if the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > a Top Deterrent IMO especially just after rapidly cocking > a pump-action shottie 'somewhere' in the dark;-)) > Locally, we had one house that was done over IIRC three > times in as many years. It was the only one in the area [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > belligerence potential. Nothing doing in the few years > since:-) > I guess we're talking about 'opportunistic' types here in > terms of what they get up to in specific cases. > Dealing with pre-planned crime is a different matter. Exactly (see my reply to RW above). I'm not out to make my place inpenetrable using nothing but smoke and mirrors and motion sensors. But it's all good value for money if I can just make them think that *maybe* someone is home. > sh.t I hope we're all a little way off having to do that. Yeah well I thought I was a fair way off having to deal with opportunistic scum. I'm also in the process of making myself more capable of dealing with the next level of scum - the ones that don't care if anyone's home. > Yeah well I thought I was a fair way off having to deal with > opportunistic scum. I'm also in the process of making myself more > capable of dealing with the next level of scum - the ones that don't > care if anyone's home. You should make sure your wife has the capability in preference to you. 1. She will probably be there when you aren't. 2. Men have been charged with offenses when dealing with home invaders, women, nah. SignatureTake Care. ~~ Feral Al ( @..@) (\- :-P -/) ((.>__oo__<.)) ^^^ % ^^^ > You should make sure your wife has the capability in > preference to you. > > 1. She will probably be there when you aren't. If anything happens in daylight hours, this is true. > 2. Men have been charged with offenses when dealing with home > invaders, women, nah. An excellent point. > 2. Men have been charged with offenses when dealing with home > invaders, women, nah. Watched an interesting show on CI. Women are less likely, however it happens. >> 2. Men have been charged with offenses when dealing with home >> invaders, women, nah. > > Watched an interesting show on CI. Women are less likely, however > it happens. You're "projecting" the US again Pat. In OZ, it DON'T. SignatureTake Care. ~~ Feral Al ( @..@) (\- :-P -/) ((.>__oo__<.)) ^^^ % ^^^ >>> 2. Men have been charged with offenses when dealing with home >>> invaders, women, nah. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You're "projecting" the US again Pat. In OZ, it DON'T. well in the turbo diesel 'lux got to 80 kph up the local hill which is fairly steep from an standing start, went nup. and backed off. So am politically correct :-) >>>> 2. Men have been charged with offenses when dealing with home >>>> invaders, women, nah. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > So am politically correct :-) WTF??? SignatureTake Care. ~~ Feral Al ( @..@) (\- :-P -/) ((.>__oo__<.)) ^^^ % ^^^ > >>>> 2. Men have been charged with offenses when dealing with home > >>>> invaders, women, nah. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > WTF??? I'm glad I'm not the only one that had that reaction. >> Be a little careful of that light trick - you need to turn on a light >> that you don't have to get past to inspect the intruders. You need [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > I'd say the ideal thing here would be that the gate light comes on, 10 > second delay, then the kitchen light comes on. And make that say, 7 seconds - see my other post on this matter. Whoops, I almost forgot there's been some discussion on access. A readable sign adjacent to each gate entry to the property needs to say - very specifically- "No entry without permission" That's all you need to say. This lets anyone with a little knowledge of the law as it stands know that they *are* trespassing if they go through the gateway. Very effective in stopping GovCo Gang members tramping about your place whenever they feel like it:-) Oh, and while you're spending a little on 'security', get yourself a miners right over your property, too. SignatureToby >> That's actually disturbing. At my mates property the gates are kept >> locked, however things have been known to go missing, not much [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > what's a padlock/chains going to do to a group of people who have come > to loot. Bolt cutters would be item #1 in their kit :-/ What a lock really does is to increase the seriousness of an offence once they have entered a property and may well be advantageous for insurance purposes. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>> That's actually disturbing. At my mates property the gates are kept >>> locked, however things have been known to go missing, not much [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > they have entered a property and may well be advantageous for insurance > purposes. and lets face it, youtube has created more people able to pick a lock than the worlds prisons ever could :-) setting things to snare and capture the offender is also out of the question as "Man Traps" are illegal in Australia, unless of course your not squeamish about hiding the bodies :-) Signature"Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color." Don Hirschberg > >>> That's actually disturbing. At my mates property the gates are kept > >>> locked, however things have been known to go missing, not much [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > setting things to snare and capture the offender is also out of the question > as "Man Traps" are illegal in Australia, Problem is the gate has to remain "friendly" to normal human beings. The Fire Chief lives behind us and the deputy is across the road. In a fire emergency our place can become a thoroughfare. > unless of course your not squeamish about hiding the bodies :-) If it were just me I wouldn't be worried. I'd just leave my stuff locked up and that's that. But I've got two young kids, so that changes things dramatically. I can't remember if you're a dad or not, but imagine waking up at 3am to find people snooping around outside your house and you have a 3 and 5yo to think about. And think how f.cked up some people are these days... > your house and you have a 3 and 5yo to think about. I've changed my mind about the sign. "Junior Al Qaeda Training Camp". ;-) SignatureTake Care. ~~ Feral Al ( @..@) (\- :-P -/) ((.>__oo__<.)) ^^^ % ^^^ On Feb 22, 3:38 pm, "Atheist Chaplain" <ab...@cia.gov> wrote: > "veritas" <veri...@coldmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > question > as "Man Traps" are illegal in Australia, Problem is the gate has to remain "friendly" to normal human beings. The Fire Chief lives behind us and the deputy is across the road. In a fire emergency our place can become a thoroughfare. > unless of course your not squeamish about hiding the bodies :-) If it were just me I wouldn't be worried. I'd just leave my stuff locked up and that's that. But I've got two young kids, so that changes things dramatically. I can't remember if you're a dad or not, but imagine waking up at 3am to find people snooping around outside your house and you have a 3 and 5yo to think about. And think how f.cked up some people are these days... yeah I'm a dad, and anyone found snooping around outside my house at 3 AM better be able to outrun Mr. .308 or Mr. 12 gauge, and no, I'm not squeamish about hiding bodies if that's what it takes :-) SignatureGod made me an atheist. Who are you to question his wisdom? > yeah I'm a dad, and anyone found snooping around outside my > house at 3 AM better be able to outrun Mr. .308 or Mr. 12 > gauge, and no, I'm not squeamish about hiding bodies if > that's what it takes :-) Good thing about where I live: It's not at all out of place to hear gun shots any time of day or night. And "squeamish" is not my thing ;-) >> yeah I'm a dad, and anyone found snooping around outside my house at 3 >> AM better be able to outrun Mr. .308 or Mr. 12 gauge, and no, I'm not >> squeamish about hiding bodies if that's what it takes :-) > > Good thing about where I live: It's not at all out of place to hear gun > shots any time of day or night. And "squeamish" is not my thing ;-) An observation - same here - once upon a time before the Stupid Gun Laws. Robberies increased shitloads in the years following those statutes, because the night gunfire virtually stopped. It's interesting that the gunfire has decreased, though - most people round here have licences to own stuff that would be quite effective against people (read SSG and SG), but next to useless to remove a few dogs from the decidedly dirty gene pool, so no-one seems to bother any more. So some areas with good doggie travel cover are having trouble with packs of wild doggies running amok which arguably are a bigger problem than common thieves. They work much longer hours and operate on an all weather basis. SignatureToby >An observation - same here - once upon a time before the Stupid Gun Laws. >Robberies increased shitloads in the years following those statutes, >because the night gunfire virtually stopped. It's interesting that the >gunfire has decreased, though - most people round here have licences to >own stuff that would be quite effective against people (read SSG and SG), It's now called the bee sting defence... you only get to use it once! SignatureJohn H >>An observation - same here - once upon a time before the Stupid Gun Laws. >>Robberies increased shitloads in the years following those statutes, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > John H Yep and before "stupid gun laws" you could bet on the intruders being armed as you only needed to pick a gun from the Saturday paper, and show the seller a carton of beer instead of a gun licence. People who need them have them but if you want to live in a gunfighting society move to the USA if it's such a good idea to need guns and a vest at the beach, I hear it works so well over there, people are lining up to move there :P >>>An observation - same here - once upon a time before the Stupid Gun Laws. >>>Robberies increased shitloads in the years following those statutes, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >as you only needed to pick a gun from the Saturday paper, and show the >seller a carton of beer instead of a gun licence. <stupid and irrelevant comparisons with US society snipped> Perhaps you might then care to explain why the robbery rates, both armed and unarmed, increased dramatically after the stupid gun laws were introduced back in 1996.... http://www.aic.gov.au/stats/crime/robbery.html They're the official Govco stats BTW... not the ones from the NRA (who knows what spin they might put on 'em). :) SignatureJohn H >>>>An observation - same here - once upon a time before the Stupid Gun >>>>Laws. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > They're the official Govco stats BTW... not the ones from the NRA (who > knows what spin they might put on 'em). :) Well on that logic free guns for everyone it is. All those bikie gangs shooting at each other in car parks was a good thing.................. >>>>>An observation - same here - once upon a time before the Stupid Gun >>>>>Laws. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Well on that logic free guns for everyone it is. Good heavens Pat... there's now more privately owned firearms in Oz than ever before (just ask the Coalition for Gun Control) and you want even more. The burglars would never forgive you! >All those bikie gangs shooting at each other in car parks was a good >thing.................. Some free lessons in markmanship might also help. :) SignatureJohn H > Good heavens Pat... there's now more privately owned firearms in Oz than > ever before (just ask the Coalition for Gun Control) and you want even > more. The burglars would never forgive you! bad stats.... again. Now the Gun Owner Bothering Zealots can get the numbers since it's necessary to shop yourself when you buy a gun. Previously, they didn't have a bloody clue. What impresses me beyond measure is just 'who' these zealots are. No prizes for guessing they're the prime targets for their f.cked behaviour. The press, politicians, clergy etc. ie, the ones with a shitload to lose if they're called out for disgusting behaviour - and there's plenty of that about. Naturally, the SpokesSuckers are set up to include the odd 'victim and 'aggreived relative' - just for emotive impact - helps camouflage the real purpose behind having a disarmed population. Wasn't it Adams (the Yankee founding father type, not the redoubtable Philip) that decided Government *and_its_servants* was definitively evil? Well, methinks he was right - Gun Control is just another of the proofs. SignatureToby > >>>>>An observation - same here - once upon a time before the Stupid Gun > >>>>>Laws. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Some free lessons in markmanship might also help. :) If I could go on a tangent - I hope whoever killed innocents at milperra rots for eternity, but crims going after other crims, I don't give too much of a f.ck about. People talk abou Carl Williams as a serial killer, all he did was get the c.nts that were trying to get him first - I don't think that's anywhere near in the same league. People talk about one of the people being shot near a footy clinic in front of kids, but what the hell do people think manufacturing and dealing drugs around their own kids was going to do to the kids in the first place? A bit hypocritical imho. Free Carl now I say, and let him finish the job. Or the one bit of serious posting I'll do - I never knew or was introducted to him, but a mate of mine in the same industry (I used to work at nightclubs as a second job as a bouncer) mentioned having him as a patron at a couple of places, and couldn't speak highly enough of him. Whilst other w.nkers thought that committing crimes meant their sh.t didn't stink and expected red carpet treatment, no waiting in lines etc, he'd just show courtesy and conduct himself responsibly in a venue, no tickets on himself. A rare thing indeed. Of course the latest tv w.nk drama is making out he's some semi retarded bogan from Broady, not so, but there's a lot of egos that need to think of him like that, after all, they can't live with the fact he brought them all down too many pegs to count. SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@earthlink.com abuse@aol.com vice.president@whitehouse.gov president@whitehouse.gov sweep.day@accc.gov.au uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback abuse@iprimus.com.au $LOGIN@localhost world's #1 sardine whisperer root@mailloop.com $USER@$HOST $LOGNAME@localhost -h1024@localhost abuse@msn.com abuse@federalpolice.gov.au fraudinfo@psinet.com abuse@asio.gov.au $USER@localhost abuse@sprint.com abuse@fbi.gov abuse@cia.gov >> >All those bikie gangs shooting at each other in car parks was a good >> >thing.................. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >all he did was get the c.nts that were trying to get him first - I don't >think that's anywhere near in the same league. <snip finer details> I've never been a great fan of the lone vigilante type. The Phantom, The Lone Ranger, Zorro, Ned Kelly... thugs the lot of them! The far more democratically organised team approach, like bikie justice, is definitely in a different league. Likewise the mafia. ;-) And on another tangent... have you spotted the common link between the above listed thugs? (They should ban the things!) SignatureJohn H >>> >All those bikie gangs shooting at each other in car parks was a good >>> >thing.................. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > John H Ban Masks? > >> >All those bikie gangs shooting at each other in car parks was a good > >> >thing.................. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > And on another tangent... have you spotted the common link between the > above listed thugs? (They should ban the things!) Silly looking headwear? >> I've never been a great fan of the lone vigilante type. The Phantom, >> The Lone Ranger, Zorro, Ned Kelly... thugs the lot of them! The far [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Silly looking headwear? I couldn't care less about the fancy dress... which helps 'em to stand out in a police lineup. It's their stinking horses I object to! :) SignatureJohn H > >>An observation - same here - once upon a time before the Stupid Gun Laws. > >>Robberies increased shitloads in the years following those statutes, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > as you only needed to pick a gun from the Saturday paper, and show the > seller a carton of beer instead of a gun licence. Criminals can still, and always have gotten access to guns. That above assertion is utter bullshit alarmist fiction from someone anti-gun. Don't talk sh.t, debate the real issues. Gun laws only disarm law abiding citizens. Take away their means of self defence (*be it legal or not, it is a means when analysed objectively) and you take away their RIGHT to self defence. Crims wouldn't buy guns like you suggest because it'd be too much of a loose end that might bring them unstuck. Complete and utter sh.t. They'd be _making_ them before buying them in such a risky manner. Hence any guns they buy would never be legally accounted for , so the law is an a.s. > People who need them have them Right, because police officers all come from a genetically different pool huh? If _they_ can be trained and expected to use them safely and lawfully, so could any other citizen. Teh fact is anyone who thinks people can't be trusted with guns period, is projecting their own lack of control issues onto other people. Maybe you should see someone about that, instead of mandating us further along to the nanny state oppression and zero freedom. Yay. but if you want to live in a gunfighting > society move to the USA Oh so guns are evil, but it's a-ok to have your pogrom to get rid of dissenting opinions? Why don't _you_ move to utopia where there's no guns and no crime. Try the UK, as it's going swimmingly there too, but people are nonetheless patting themselves on the back for the increase in crime. if it's such a good idea to need guns and a vest at > the beach, I hear it works so well over there, people are lining up to move > there Actually they are. SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@earthlink.com abuse@aol.com vice.president@whitehouse.gov president@whitehouse.gov sweep.day@accc.gov.au uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback abuse@iprimus.com.au $LOGIN@localhost world's #1 sardine whisperer root@mailloop.com $USER@$HOST $LOGNAME@localhost -h1024@localhost abuse@msn.com abuse@federalpolice.gov.au fraudinfo@psinet.com abuse@asio.gov.au $USER@localhost abuse@sprint.com abuse@fbi.gov abuse@cia.gov >> >>An observation - same here - once upon a time before the Stupid Gun >> >>Laws. [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > Actually they are. Cool, well, it's setled then , I'm happy with the contry as it is, you're not, so piss off to USA then :P > > Actually they are. > > Cool, well, it's setled then , I'm happy with the contry as it is, you're > not, so piss off to USA then :P "verily I have often laughed at the weaklings who think themselves good merely because they don't have claws" - Neitzsche SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@earthlink.com abuse@aol.com vice.president@whitehouse.gov president@whitehouse.gov sweep.day@accc.gov.au uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback abuse@iprimus.com.au $LOGIN@localhost world's #1 sardine whisperer root@mailloop.com $USER@$HOST $LOGNAME@localhost -h1024@localhost abuse@msn.com abuse@federalpolice.gov.au fraudinfo@psinet.com abuse@asio.gov.au $USER@localhost abuse@sprint.com abuse@fbi.gov abuse@cia.gov >> > Actually they are. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > John McKenzie "It was that damn big yellow dog in my yard!" - Melba On Feb 23, 12:29 am, "Atheist Chaplain" <ab...@cia.gov> wrote: > yeah I'm a dad, and anyone found snooping around outside my > house at 3 AM better be able to outrun Mr. .308 or Mr. 12 > gauge, and no, I'm not squeamish about hiding bodies if > that's what it takes :-) Good thing about where I live: It's not at all out of place to hear gun shots any time of day or night. And "squeamish" is not my thing ;-) I was going through the ammunition safe today and doing a bit of a tidy up and came across some 12 gauge solids :-) I seem to recall they worked a treat on the odd razorback out Condobolin way :-) SignatureGod made me an atheist. Who are you to question his wisdom? > On Feb 23, 12:29 am, "Atheist Chaplain" <ab...@cia.gov> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I seem to recall they worked a treat on the odd razorback out Condobolin > way :-) Pretty damned good at stopping motor cars as well with some aim . >> On Feb 23, 12:29 am, "Atheist Chaplain" <ab...@cia.gov> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> > Pretty damned good at stopping motor cars as well with some aim . I have a Tikka over and under 222/12 gauge combo with a Weaver 10x scope for the .222, the scope also works a treat at lining up the 12 gauge :-) just remember to aim a bit higher :-) SignatureGod made me an atheist. Who are you to question his wisdom? > I was going through the ammunition safe today and doing a bit of a tidy > up and came across some 12 gauge solids :-) > I seem to recall they worked a treat on the odd razorback out Condobolin > way :-) Ah, Brenneke. Yes they do. SignatureTake Care. ~~ Feral Al ( @..@) (\- :-P -/) ((.>__oo__<.)) ^^^ % ^^^ > >> That's actually disturbing. At my mates property the gates are kept > >> locked, however things have been known to go missing, not much [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > once they have entered a property and may well be advantageous for > insurance purposes. Yeah that is a point. I dunno though. I'm still undecided on what exactly a padlock "says" to a would-be theif. "Obviously no-one's home"? "Good sh.t lies beyond"? "Passing this threshold is a serious thing"? I have a mate in the States who has a sign out front: "WARNING! WE DO NOT CALL 911". Thieves are prolly too dumb to get what that's inferring though. > I dunno though. I'm still undecided on what exactly a padlock "says" > to a would-be theif. "Obviously no-one's home"? "Good sh.t lies [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > NOT CALL 911". Thieves are prolly too dumb to get what that's > inferring though. A red flag on a tall pole. A sign on the padlocked gate. "????????? Night Practice Range". SignatureTake Care. ~~ Feral Al ( @..@) (\- :-P -/) ((.>__oo__<.)) ^^^ % ^^^ > > I dunno though. I'm still undecided on what exactly a padlock "says" > > to a would-be theif. "Obviously no-one's home"? "Good sh.t lies [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > A sign on the padlocked gate. > "????????? Night Practice Range". All good food for thought :-) There is a guy down the road who shamelessly has a sign on his gate "Warning: Trespassers will be shot. No excuses." Obviously doing what the sign says is illegal, but it does give one an idea as to the mindset of the residents. > > > I dunno though. I'm still undecided on what exactly a padlock "says" > > > to a would-be theif. "Obviously no-one's home"? "Good sh.t lies [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Obviously doing what the sign says is illegal, but it does give one an > idea as to the mindset of the residents. I like it. I've seen similar signs. Raises the question if you installed a seriously dangerous device such as land mine, but sign posted it, it might be OK. You were never near the scene. Sorta get around it legally like folk who clean buildings do with "caution floor slippery when wet" signs. >>>> I dunno though. I'm still undecided on what exactly a padlock "says" >>>> to a would-be theif. "Obviously no-one's home"? "Good sh.t lies [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > "caution > floor slippery when wet" signs. Couple of things you need to know , apart from mines being illegal for civys you have to provide reasonable access to a propery and the frony door of the dwelling.. If you go beyond an certain amount of reasonable force you either have to make an arrest or stop immediately . lots of other rules ( which get bent everyday) but effectively you no longer own your own place... or make 'em disapear :) > >>>> I dunno though. I'm still undecided on what exactly a padlock "says" > >>>> to a would-be theif. "Obviously no-one's home"? "Good sh.t lies [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > civys you have to provide reasonable access to a propery and the frony > door of the dwelling.. There has has be things like fire/ambo access and the like. > If you go beyond an certain amount of reasonable force you either have > to make an arrest or stop immediately . lots of other rules ( which get > bent everyday) but effectively you no longer own your own place... Yep, I had a security guard explain to me what they can and can not do (this was in relation to arresting folk). I walked down the main street of North Shiteney in the mid 1980s with a gun hanging off my pocket as I was with a security guard checking out his night shift. I imagine these days I'd get my arse thrown in jail. > or make 'em disapear :) LOL! that might not work - watched too many CI shows to show you need to get that _really_ right. However large enough property can be done. Need to consider a number of aspects though. > LOL! that might not work - watched too many CI shows to > show you need to get that _really_ right. However large > enough property can be done. > > Need to consider a number of aspects though. I'd never hide anything like that on my own property. Plenty of other places around here and even not "around here" where it would be piss easy. > Couple of things you need to know , apart from mines being > illegal for civys you have to provide reasonable access to > a propery and the frony door of the dwelling.. Ah yes, I must keep that in mind too. Telstra bloke needs to be able to get to that junction pole thingy. However I'd only ever have the place in lock down during the night when we sleep. > If you go beyond an certain amount of reasonable force you > either have to make an arrest or stop immediately . lots of > other rules ( which get bent everyday) but effectively you > no longer own your own place... > or make 'em disapear :) On Feb 22, 4:05 pm, Feral Al <plon...@home.ru> wrote: > Diesel Damo wrote: > > I dunno though. I'm still undecided on what exactly a padlock "says" [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > A sign on the padlocked gate. > "????????? Night Practice Range". All good food for thought :-) There is a guy down the road who shamelessly has a sign on his gate "Warning: Trespassers will be shot. No excuses." Obviously doing what the sign says is illegal, but it does give one an idea as to the mindset of the residents. =================================================== "this house guarded by Shotgun 4 nights a week, you guess which nights!!" SignatureGod made me an atheist. Who are you to question his wisdom? >>>> That's actually disturbing. At my mates property the gates are kept >>>> locked, however things have been known to go missing, not much [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > NOT CALL 911". Thieves are prolly too dumb to get what that's > inferring though. Just amend it to: "WARNING! WE DO NOT CALL THE POLICE" The again... maybe even that is too subtle for some of 'em. >> I have a mate in the States who has a sign out front: "WARNING! WE DO >> NOT CALL 911". Thieves are prolly too dumb to get what that's [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >The again... maybe even that is too subtle for some of 'em. I recall seeeing one of those in the US; the picture alongside the sign was of a hand holding what appeared to be a .44 Magnum. Not really subtle at all... 8^> >>> I have a mate in the States who has a sign out front: "WARNING! WE DO >>> NOT CALL 911". Thieves are prolly too dumb to get what that's [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Not really subtle at all... 8^> Insured by Smith & Wesson? :) SignatureJohn H >>> I have a mate in the States who has a sign out front: "WARNING! WE DO >>> NOT CALL 911". Thieves are prolly too dumb to get what that's [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Not really subtle at all... 8^> I quite like the idea of these signs... I might put some within my property in selected spots - not actually directly visible from the road (lest the neighbors freak out). >>> That's actually disturbing. At my mates property the gates are kept >>> locked, however things have been known to go missing, not much [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > they have entered a property and may well be advantageous for insurance > purposes. Rattling the chains while cutting them gives the dogs a good warning too compared to just rolling up an open driveway. > > That's actually disturbing. At my mates property the gates are kept > > locked, however things have been known to go missing, not much [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > what's a padlock/chains going to do to a group of people who have come > to loot. Bolt cutters would be item #1 in their kit :-/ Not really had that problem, however the shed is 1.6 km away from the front road and has three gates. Pain in the arse to lock and unlock all the time though. If someone wants something badly enough they will do anything to get it. The appartment I recently rented now (to replace the one currently) apparently had someone scale 9 floors up the side of the building ?!?!? so I'm told by one of the body corp folk. > Here's me thinking I live "out of the way" enough to not have to worry > about looting scum. I recall you saying something to the effect of [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > floodlights and let off a round from his shottie. They all p1ssed off > with their tails between their legs. Of course there are people out there who think your mate is a criminal psychotic and should do 20 years for that, meanwhile if the scum stole everything and killed the occupants - a good behaviour bond 'hey they had a rough childhood, can you blame them?' is more than harsh enough. > The world is f.cked. I think it's time to upgrade my "defenses". Yep, life doesn't come with a spare, and a condescending speech from a magistrate won't bring a loved one back to life, so take all the precautions necessary to ensure their (and your own) safety. SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@earthlink.com abuse@aol.com vice.president@whitehouse.gov president@whitehouse.gov sweep.day@accc.gov.au uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback abuse@iprimus.com.au $LOGIN@localhost world's #1 sardine whisperer root@mailloop.com $USER@$HOST $LOGNAME@localhost -h1024@localhost abuse@msn.com abuse@federalpolice.gov.au fraudinfo@psinet.com abuse@asio |
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