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Car Forum / Australian Car Forums / General Car Topics (Australian group) / February 2008diesels over LPG
With the world looking at petrol substitutes, car manufacturers are taking to diesels in droves. Almost every make of car will have a CRTDI option available by the end of this year...including Subaru and Honda (both will outsource). What I find interesting and somewhat disappointing is that LPG is not being chosen by manufacters as the substitute. So at the end of day, it's obvious petrol companies have deciding quantities of shares in car manufacturers. Wonder why? Roger > With the world looking at petrol substitutes, car manufacturers are taking > to diesels in droves. Almost every make of car will have a CRTDI option [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Roger At the end of the day a lot is governed by the fuel companies. Petrol - You dig a fucken big hole in the ground, drop in a tank and theres your storage. (To put in plain and simply, before someone describes it to a minute detail) Same for Diesel, LPG is a pain to transport, and store = Very costly. >With the world looking at petrol substitutes, car manufacturers are taking >to diesels in droves. Almost every make of car will have a CRTDI option [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >it's obvious petrol companies have deciding quantities of shares in car >manufacturers. Wonder why? Car manufacturers produce models according to demand, real or artificially created, and which varies enormously from marketplace to marketplace (Japan and The US markets still buy very few diesels AFAIK). Oil companies produce fuel (and its by-products) according to what the fractional distillation process allows. Prices are essentially determined by supply and demand. Sell more diesel engines (or any other sort) and the fuel they use will cost more... pretty much as it's always been. Ultimately then, if everyone could operate a pocket calculator you'd expect economics to drive the market (in which case there wouldn't be any stupid hybrids and a lot more lpg). Obviously they can't. Maybe the oil companies (and the car manufacturers) are moving into batteries! :)  SignatureJohn H > So at the end of day, it's obvious petrol companies have deciding > quantities of shares in car manufacturers. Is it? And your proof if this would be what exactly? -- Regards, Noddy. >> So at the end of day, it's obvious petrol companies have deciding >> quantities of shares in car manufacturers. > > Is it? > > And your proof if this would be what exactly? About the same standard of proof we have that OilCo's collude on pricing. IOW, f.ck-all. However it'd be most unusual for each to not be up the others arse big- time, since their products are extremely closely 'linked'. SignatureToby > About the same standard of proof we have that OilCo's collude on pricing. > IOW, f.ck-all. > However it'd be most unusual for each to not be up the others arse big- > time, since their products are extremely closely 'linked'. That's like saying TV manufacturers are in cahoots with TV stations. -- Regards, Noddy. On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:29:45 +1100, Noddy blathered on in :aus.cars >> About the same standard of proof we have that OilCo's collude on pricing. >> IOW, f.ck-all. >> However it'd be most unusual for each to not be up the others arse big- >> time, since their products are extremely closely 'linked'. > > That's like saying TV manufacturers are in cahoots with TV stations. If that's an example - do TV sets use TV Stations products insofar as the owners of the sets have to pay for that? (We're ignoring that execrable cable endlessrepeatloop here, I hope.) Nope. The medium over which the signal is transmitted is GovCo owned, since they've set themselves up as owners of all things including invisible things. Which means 'we' own the aether... So, no... But if you've have said are the TV program manufacturers in cahoots with the Stations, that's another matter. > > About the same standard of proof we have that OilCo's collude on pricing. > > IOW, f.ck-all. > > However it'd be most unusual for each to not be up the others arse big- > > time, since their products are extremely closely 'linked'. > > That's like saying TV manufacturers are in cahoots with TV stations. Quick John Drake, he's cottoning on, pass the word on to 'mother' - number 6 is becoming a risk, time to send him to the island, or the ark in space. Not a bad amalgamation of 60/70s action/adventure/conspiracy shows. No prizes for guessing the lot. Though I do admit I fancied the idea of tapping Mrs Peel when I was a younger lad (and didn't realise she was some 20 years older than when the show was made), never could see any attraction to 99, wouldn't kicked her out of bed. Hymie, now he could make any bloke consider kicking with both feet. SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@earthlink.com abuse@aol.com vice.president@whitehouse.gov president@whitehouse.gov sweep.day@accc.gov.au uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback abuse@iprimus.com.au $LOGIN@localhost world's #1 sardine whisperer root@mailloop.com $USER@$HOST $LOGNAME@localhost -h1024@localhost abuse@msn.com abuse@federalpolice.gov.au fraudinfo@psinet.com abuse@asio.gov.au $USER@localhost abuse@sprint.com abuse@fbi.gov abuse@cia.gov >Though I do admit I fancied the idea of tapping Mrs Peel when I was a >younger lad (and didn't realise she was some 20 years older than when >the show was made), Hmmm. Probably old enough to be your mother (whatever that makes you).... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana_Rigg >never could see any attraction to 99, wouldn't >kicked her out of bed. Nor your grandmother, presumably.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Feldon > Hymie, now he could make any bloke consider >kicking with both feet. Have you ever considered necrophilia? ;-) SignatureJohn H > Hmmm. Probably old enough to be your mother (whatever that makes > you).... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana_Rigg That being the point, I thought she was a bit of orright, not realising that looking at the show as a kid that it was made some years before I saw it (if that makes sense) > >never could see any attraction to 99, wouldn't > >kicked her out of bed. sorry typo - should read 'would've' > Nor your grandmother, presumably.... > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Feldon [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Have you ever considered necrophilia? ;-) Reminisced SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@earthlink.com abuse@aol.com vice.president@whitehouse.gov president@whitehouse.gov sweep.day@accc.gov.au uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback abuse@iprimus.com.au $LOGIN@localhost world's #1 sardine whisperer root@mailloop.com $USER@$HOST $LOGNAME@localhost -h1024@localhost abuse@msn.com abuse@federalpolice.gov.au fraudinfo@psinet.com abuse@asio.gov.au $USER@localhost abuse@sprint.com abuse@fbi.gov abuse@cia.gov >> >never could see any attraction to 99, wouldn't >> >kicked her out of bed. > >sorry typo - should read 'would've' One would hope so! She's a decade earlier than Rigg. In her fifties, or very close to it, when the show first appeared here IIRC (currently pushing 80). Nice to know you were an ABC viewer in your youth though. :) SignatureJohn H > >> >never could see any attraction to 99, wouldn't > >> >kicked her out of bed. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Nice to know you were an ABC viewer in your youth though. :) which is about the last time it had adequate funding (which was well and truly shafted by the outgoing rat when he got in, but then again, being the breeding ground for socialist agenda, who could blame him) To tell the truth I wouldn't have been able to tell you what channel I saw the avengers on. SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@earthlink.com abuse@aol.com vice.president@whitehouse.gov president@whitehouse.gov sweep.day@accc.gov.au uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback abuse@iprimus.com.au $LOGIN@localhost world's #1 sardine whisperer root@mailloop.com $USER@$HOST $LOGNAME@localhost -h1024@localhost abuse@msn.com abuse@federalpolice.gov.au fraudinfo@psinet.com abuse@asio.gov.au $USER@localhost abuse@sprint.com abuse@fbi.gov abuse@cia.gov > Though I do admit I fancied the idea of tapping Mrs Peel when I was a > younger lad (and didn't realise she was some 20 years older than when > the show was made), never could see any attraction to 99, wouldn't > kicked her out of bed. Hymie, now he could make any bloke consider > kicking with both feet. Lol :) I dreamt of Jeanie my self. A lot :) -- Regards, Noddy. > With the world looking at petrol substitutes, car manufacturers are taking > to diesels in droves. Almost every make of car will have a CRTDI option [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Roger Subaru won't be outsourcing. Where would they find a flat-diesel? Come to think of it, Honda does their own as well! ;-) >> With the world looking at petrol substitutes, car manufacturers are taking >> to diesels in droves. Almost every make of car will have a CRTDI option [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Subaru won't be outsourcing. Where would they find a flat-diesel? > Come to think of it, Honda does their own as well! ;-) Hmmm The New 3009 Subaru Liberty with the power of the Commer Diesel Heh Kev >> With the world looking at petrol substitutes, car manufacturers are >> taking to diesels in droves. Almost every make of car will have a CRTDI [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Subaru won't be outsourcing. Where would they find a flat-diesel? Scal down a junkers? > Come to think of it, Honda does their own as well! ;-) Yeah, a F1 diesel. just how are they gonna run ads 'featuring' their involvement in Motor Racing? Expect Honda at Le Mans with a extremely heavily blown diesel with one piece head/block design any time soon? SignatureToby > Expect Honda at Le Mans with a extremely heavily blown diesel with one > piece head/block design any time soon? Been done already by Fairbanks Morse........oh, no, it wasn't blown. SignatureTake Care. ~~ Feral Al ( @..@) (\- :-P -/) ((.>__oo__<.)) ^^^ % ^^^ > With the world looking at petrol substitutes, car manufacturers are taking > to diesels in droves. Almost every make of car will have a CRTDI option [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Roger I wonder if LPG is available in other markets as readily and cheaply as here? That could be an issue, I guess. Cheers, Steve > I wonder if LPG is available in other markets as readily and cheaply > as here? That could be an issue, I guess. Surprisingly, it's never been big in the US, despite some of the best gas equipment coming from there. With the recent rises in "gasoline" prices it's starting to become popular, and it's been gaining momentum in Europe (and particularly in England). If it ever gets to the same level in the rest of the world as it is here you'll see factory equipped lpg models all over the place. -- Regards, Noddy. On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:14:00 +1100, Noddy blathered on in :aus.cars >> I wonder if LPG is available in other markets as readily and cheaply >> as here? That could be an issue, I guess. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > it ever gets to the same level in the rest of the world as it is here you'll > see factory equipped lpg models all over the place. Rumour has it that the Russians are getting very close as having control of natural gas supplies to Europe. So, it's not so much that CNG will get a run on there, which seems obvious enough but LPG might all of a sudden get popular if the price is err 'righted'. Signs of that are that the Russians are pretty definitely abandoning the Yankee Dollar as an oil trading currency, which means that they'll blah blah blah.... Summary - LPG is probably due for increased use in Europe quite soon:-) they have to be getting heartily sick of boosting diesel sales - some of the 'cures' re particulate emissions make rocket science look positively amateurish. And cheap. >Rumour has it that the Russians are getting very close as having control of >natural gas supplies to Europe. As they have for yonks... which is why most of the countries they supply would prefer to burn wood (if they had the choice). :) SignatureJohn H |
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