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Car Forum / Australian Car Forums / General Car Topics (Australian group) / March 2008Battery lifespan
Had to change the battery on the 04 Lancer ES today. First time since new. NRMA bloke told me that a normal battery for me car has about 350amps and my one was reading 88amps. So time to change. I was also told by another fellow that a 3yo battery is due for replacement anyway. I tort they lasted a bit longer than 3 years, say 8years or so? Or am I too optimistic? :) I can't stop trolls from getting into this post but I am genuinely interested in battery lifespans in a motoring sorta way :) > Had to change the battery on the 04 Lancer ES today. First time since new. > NRMA bloke told me that a normal battery for me car has about 350amps and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I can't stop trolls from getting into this post but I am genuinely > interested in battery lifespans in a motoring sorta way :) Years ago they used to last up to and over a decade, nowadays your lucky if they last for 2 years and if they last longer your doing well. olley >Years ago they used to last up to and over a decade, nowadays your lucky if >they last for 2 years and if they last longer your doing well. Yep... electric starters are hell on batteries! :)  SignatureJohn H > Had to change the battery on the 04 Lancer ES today. First time since new. > NRMA bloke told me that a normal battery for me car has about 350amps and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I can't stop trolls from getting into this post but I am genuinely > interested in battery lifespans in a motoring sorta way :) I was told that Asian imports tend to sit on the ships, docks, holding yards etc. for a fair while before getting sold and the batteries discharge and stay discharged for a fair while and this shortens their lives. The last three new cars I've had only got about two years out of their first battery but got much longer out of their second. SignatureKnob > I was told that Asian imports tend to sit on the ships, docks, holding yards > etc. for a fair while before getting sold and the batteries discharge and > stay discharged for a fair while and this shortens their lives. True, however, I was under the impression many/most/all? lead/acid batteries are shipped dry, and supplied with sulphuric acid mix on sale. This will greatly increase their shelf life before being sold. > The last three new cars I've had only got about two years out of their first > battery but got much longer out of their second. Probably says something about the quality of the batteries the car manufacturer is willing to put in. :-) SignatureLinux Registered User # 302622 <http://counter.li.org> >> I was told that Asian imports tend to sit on the ships, docks, holding >> yards etc. for a fair while before getting sold and the batteries [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > batteries are shipped dry, and supplied with sulphuric acid mix on sale. > This will greatly increase their shelf life before being sold. True of aftermarket batteries. I doubt that's the case for original batteries though. >> The last three new cars I've had only got about two years out of their >> first battery but got much longer out of their second. > > Probably says something about the quality of the batteries the car > manufacturer is willing to put in. :-) Again probably true but the replacement crap-o heavy-duty K-Mart battery beat the original super-duper calcium battery by several years.... It's probably just something you should factor into the purchase-price...... SignatureKnob >>> I was told that Asian imports tend to sit on the ships, docks, holding >>> yards etc. for a fair while before getting sold and the batteries [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > True of aftermarket batteries. I doubt that's the case for original > batteries though. Especially true of the batteries fitted to Fords and Holdens which are utter rubbish. >>>> I was told that Asian imports tend to sit on the ships, docks, holding >>>> yards etc. for a fair while before getting sold and the batteries [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Especially true of the batteries fitted to Fords and Holdens which are utter > rubbish. I don't know My ford is 5 years old now and only just had the battery changed but it was replaced with a good quality battery The Toyota battery died and was replaced before I bought it at 4 years old Kev >>>>> I was told that Asian imports tend to sit on the ships, docks, holding >>>>> yards etc. for a fair while before getting sold and the batteries [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > The Toyota battery died and was replaced before I bought it at 4 years old I'm going by the amount of batteries that get replaced under warranty. The local batteries are apalling despite having a much easier start to life then the imports. >> Had to change the battery on the 04 Lancer ES today. First time since >> new. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > The last three new cars I've had only got about two years out of their > first battery but got much longer out of their second. That may be a factor on long term battery life but Asian and European batteries are far less problematic then the ones fitted locally despite their hard initial life. >I was told that Asian imports tend to sit on the ships, docks, holding yards >etc. for a fair while before getting sold and the batteries discharge and >stay discharged for a fair while and this shortens their lives. That's why OEM batteries are of the calcium type. The battery is less likely to become a flattery during the shipping and holding process. The penalty is a shorter battery life. That's a deliberate compromise in the battery chemistry. SignatureCheers Paul Saccani Perth, Western Australia. >I was also told by another fellow that a 3yo battery is due for replacement >anyway. I tort they lasted a bit longer than 3 years, say 8years or so? Or >am I too optimistic? :) You're being over optimistic, especially in a hot climate. The only aftermarket batteries I know of with a decent lifespan are the calcium type, which are fully sealed and cost around 20% more. They're also corrosion free, which is a big plus. I typically get 5 - 7 years out of them (in the tropics), compared to 2 - 3 years for reputable brand conventional lead acid batteries. Less from the ones made in Oriental gaols. SignatureJohn H > >I was also told by another fellow that a 3yo battery is due for replacement > >anyway. I tort they lasted a bit longer than 3 years, say 8years or so? Or [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > 2 - 3 years for reputable brand conventional lead acid batteries. > Less from the ones made in Oriental gaols. The ones I get (lead acid) last 10 years on average, sometimes more. I dunno what the hell is different about them (but I must indicate they aren't made in chinese love factories, they are made by a local bloke - Moon Batteries - bloody competitive pricing (well not compared to the sh.t ones, but compared to anything of similar quality) too. SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@earthlink.com abuse@aol.com vice.president@whitehouse.gov president@whitehouse.gov sweep.day@accc.gov.au uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback abuse@iprimus.com.au $LOGIN@localhost world's #1 sardine whisperer root@mailloop.com $USER@$HOST $LOGNAME@localhost -h1024@localhost abuse@msn.com abuse@federalpolice.gov.au fraudinfo@psinet.com abuse@asio.gov.au $USER@localhost abuse@sprint.com abuse@fbi.gov abuse@cia.gov >The ones I get (lead acid) last 10 years on average, sometimes more. I >dunno what the hell is different about them (but I must indicate they >aren't made in chinese love factories, they are made by a local bloke - >Moon Batteries - bloody competitive pricing (well not compared to the >sh.t ones, but compared to anything of similar quality) too. I'm also guessing that you own a lot more woollie jumpers and longjohns than I do (or are much hairier). :) Temperature is probably the biggest single factor that determines battery life, all other conditions being equal. I've never had 10 years out of one, even in 24 volt systems which typically last around 30% longer than 12 volt (due to the reduced maximum load current draw). Back in the days of my impoverished youth, we used to perodically drain our motorcycle batteries and hose 'em out to get rid of the crud that collects in the bottom (and eventually shorts the cells). Because I worked in a laboratory at the time mine got refilled with AR grade sulphuric (analytical reagent). Can't say I can recall ever buying a new one, but none of my bikes had electric start either. I do have a mate who once dealt in batteries (and tyres) on a large scale (he had his own battery brandname at the time). His advice on choosing the best lead acid battery was to take your scales when you went shopping and buy the heaviest one for the money. I've never tested his advice, but I'd suspect it's reasonably sound. :) SignatureJohn H > >The ones I get (lead acid) last 10 years on average, sometimes more. I > >dunno what the hell is different about them (but I must indicate they [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I'm also guessing that you own a lot more woollie jumpers and > longjohns than I do (or are much hairier). :) I've been on the snowfields in the middle of winter in a t-shirt - it's more a protective lipid shield. > Temperature is probably the biggest single factor that determines > battery life, all other conditions being equal. I've never had 10 > years out of one, even in 24 volt systems which typically last around > 30% longer than 12 volt (due to the reduced maximum load current > draw). That might be something to do with it - I have the largest size battery you can fit in the engine bay (and it required mods to the battery tray) - due to some of the shenanighans I get up to, having extra reserve capacity is a big deal. > Back in the days of my impoverished youth, we used to perodically > drain our motorcycle batteries and hose 'em out to get rid of the crud > that collects in the bottom (and eventually shorts the cells). > Because I worked in a laboratory at the time mine got refilled with AR > grade sulphuric (analytical reagent). I never thought of that, but it makes perfect sense. Would it make any difference as to whether it was fully charged before this process or fully drained? I'm thinking yes, but it's harly my forte (which is true whether I'm referring to batteries or thinking) > I do have a mate who once dealt in batteries (and tyres) on a large > scale (he had his own battery brandname at the time). His advice on > choosing the best lead acid battery was to take your scales when you > went shopping and buy the heaviest one for the money. I've never > tested his advice, but I'd suspect it's reasonably sound. :) I suppose looking at it conversely - I'd be worried about what set of factors lead to the lightest one being the lightest one, so it would make some sense. SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@earthlink.com abuse@aol.com vice.president@whitehouse.gov president@whitehouse.gov sweep.day@accc.gov.au uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback abuse@iprimus.com.au $LOGIN@localhost world's #1 sardine whisperer root@mailloop.com $USER@$HOST $LOGNAME@localhost -h1024@localhost abuse@msn.com abuse@federalpolice.gov.au fraudinfo@psinet.com abuse@asio.gov.au $USER@localhost abuse@sprint.com abuse@fbi.gov abuse@cia.gov > Back in the days of my impoverished youth, we used to perodically > drain our motorcycle batteries and hose 'em out to get rid of the crud > that collects in the bottom (and eventually shorts the cells). Yep, I used to do that with car batteries as a kid. Only get a couple of goes at it. Mind you, that was with batteries from the dump. The motorbike batteries from the dump were then connected the wrong way around the terminals of the now charged car battery to make awesome exploding hydrogen balloons by attacthing a hose to the vent and inflating it :-) just gotta be carefull not to get any acid splashes up the hose as that rots the balloon almost instantly. I had everyone on my street come out of their houses wondering WTF?!?! one quiet night. Just gotta tape the fuse near the knot at the bottom, pretty sight watching it float up then ... BOOM :-) All good. Lot of crap in the bottom of them. >>The ones I get (lead acid) last 10 years on average, sometimes more. I >>dunno what the hell is different about them (but I must indicate they [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > went shopping and buy the heaviest one for the money. I've never > tested his advice, but I'd suspect it's reasonably sound. :) Ultima batteries are spiral wound and are fricken heavy, they are also amoung the best so maybe his teory has wieght ;o) > Ultima batteries are spiral wound and are fricken heavy, they are also > amoung the best so maybe his teory has wieght ;o) Like you'd know anything about Batteries Scotty BTW got any for me?? big ones that is Kev >> Ultima batteries are spiral wound and are fricken heavy, they are also >> amoung the best so maybe his teory has wieght ;o) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Kev Actually, yes I do. I've two 75Ahrs that are in very good cond and one almost new 75. The new one I will have to try and recoup a few $ back on as I ordered and installed it but I f.cked up some calcs and ended uphaving to instal some 100s to cope with the load so shes pretty much never used. Ive already sold the second one (I use 24volt so always in pairs) and made a couple of dollars back there so you will get that under cost. Usual deal for the good 75s if u want them and I will do you a very good deal on the new one if you are keen.' I will ensure that the two 75s are fully charged and load tested for ya. :o) Scotty > Had to change the battery on the 04 Lancer ES today. First time since new. > NRMA bloke told me that a normal battery for me car has about 350amps and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I can't stop trolls from getting into this post but I am genuinely > interested in battery lifespans in a motoring sorta way :) You should get three or more years, but eight might be a bit optimistic. Lifespan depends on many factors, some you may have control over, others not - in other words, you have to deal with what you get, because you don't really have a choice. Basically, anything less than a year, it's a manufacturing fault (barring vehicle electrical faults of course), longer than that, anything goes. Cars in general can't be considered controlled environments as far as batteries go, so life is quite variable. By "environment" I mean everything - temperature, physical shocks, electrical charge/discharge cycles, user maintenance, build quality, battery type, the lot. While it's conceivable that they could last a decade, it's certainly not something that should be _expected_. Likewise, it would be nice to have it last at least three years, again, it *might* not be something you should expect - depending on environment of course. I know it's not a clear answer, but there are many variables that affect battery life, leaving the unknowns as unknowns, one (well, *me* anyway) can't give a definite guess. SignatureLinux Registered User # 302622 <http://counter.li.org> On Mar 5, 7:19 pm, Moses Lim <hyspeed@spamtrap_stoneycreek.net.au.spamtrap> wrote: > Had to change the battery on the 04 Lancer ES today. First time since new. > NRMA bloke told me that a normal battery for me car has about 350amps and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I can't stop trolls from getting into this post but I am genuinely > interested in battery lifespans in a motoring sorta way :) When I first had to change the battery in my 1989 Hilux it was the year 2003. I took it out and it had 10/1989 written on the side of it :-) The next one I put in it got stolen a year later, and the current one has been doing the job since then. I don't expect it to last much longer, although my kms:engine-starts ratio is fairly high. > Had to change the battery on the 04 Lancer ES today. First time since new. > NRMA bloke told me that a normal battery for me car has about 350amps and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I can't stop trolls from getting into this post but I am genuinely > interested in battery lifespans in a motoring sorta way :) Battery life varies a lot depending on usage, loads, temps etc. However, batteries are generally expected to have a minimum life of 3 years. My last battery was just over 3 1/2 years old. In my previous, less modern, less electronic car the battery lasted an 8 years. The car started within just a blip of starter and had no serious electronics, just EFI and electronic ignition. It's always a good idea to fit the biggest battery you can safely fit to the car. More capacity never hurts, particularly as the battery ages. On Mar 5, 7:19 pm, Moses Lim <hyspeed@spamtrap_stoneycreek.net.au.spamtrap> wrote: > Had to change the battery on the 04 Lancer ES today. First time since new. > NRMA bloke told me that a normal battery for me car has about 350amps and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I can't stop trolls from getting into this post but I am genuinely > interested in battery lifespans in a motoring sorta way :) I can get 8 years from a battery. 88 amps means nothing, if the thing is partly discharged. 350 CCA prolly would work in a pince for me, however for a Lancer should be enough. The internal resistance of the battery is more important (or though if it hasn't collected crap from the plates that collect on the bottom and short them out). Charging current should be off the scale (high) on a good battery that is discharged. Should drop to around 2 amps when charged. If fully charged, the CCA (cold cranking amps) rating is what matters. > On Mar 5, 7:19 pm, Moses Lim > <hyspeed@spamtrap_stoneycreek.net.au.spamtrap> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > If fully charged, the CCA (cold cranking amps) rating is what matters. Ultima batteries take the cake! At 1000CCA (yes thats one thousand) and they will take 40 amps for around two hours once fully discharged. Fricken great batteries and thier deep cycles are awesome. Only $400 as well. >Had to change the battery on the 04 Lancer ES today. First time since new. >NRMA bloke told me that a normal battery for me car has about 350amps and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >I can't stop trolls from getting into this post but I am genuinely >interested in battery lifespans in a motoring sorta way :) Also on a Lancer (Dec. 98 model), I had to fit one in Feb 03; it died 6 months later and was replaced under warranty. 13 months after that the bastard died again. (September 04.) The new one lasted a bit over 2 1/2 years (May 07), and that one's still in there. So my observation is... highly variable, but 8 years is probably optimistic. >>Had to change the battery on the 04 Lancer ES today. First time since new. >>NRMA bloke told me that a normal battery for me car has about 350amps and [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > So my observation is... highly variable, but 8 years is probably > optimistic. Its entirely dependant on useage, weather, application, and Id say highly dependant on the quality of unit you hand over your hard earned for. As previously posted a calcium battery will outlast a standard wetcell. A $100 battery wont last as long in similar conditions as an Ultima $400 battery. > Had to change the battery on the 04 Lancer ES today. First time since new. > NRMA bloke told me that a normal battery for me car has about 350amps and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I can't stop trolls from getting into this post but I am genuinely > interested in battery lifespans in a motoring sorta way :) There are too many variables which influence long term battery life but 2-3 years seems to be the norm these days. > Had to change the battery on the 04 Lancer ES today. First time since new. > NRMA bloke told me that a normal battery for me car has about 350amps and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I can't stop trolls from getting into this post but I am genuinely > interested in battery lifespans in a motoring sorta way :) The Battery in my '90 Ford Laser is 5 years old and going the way of the Dodo at the moment, I suspect the first really cold morning will see its final spark extinguished. But then 5 years is about average for battery life in my experience. I might replace it with one of the sealed Calcium units if I can get a good price, one less thing to worry about as No. 1 daughter has claimed it as her car now she has her "L's" Signature"Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color." Don Hirschberg > I might replace it with one of the sealed Calcium units if I can get a > good price, one less thing to worry about as No. 1 daughter has claimed it > as her car now she has her "L's" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Which leads to my question: is it harmful to the EFI system of a manual-transmission car to push start it in the event that battery is weak/dead? -- I.get.a.lot.of.differing.responses. > Which leads to my question: is it harmful to the EFI system of a > manual-transmission car to push start it in the event that battery is > weak/dead? My largely uninformed opinion is that it's not "harmful" but it's not gonna' work with a real flat battery because of all the electrickery the engine needs to run (pumps, ECUs etc). I've bump-started a few EFI cars (and EFI motorbikes) without any problems but they all had "some" charge left in the battery at the time. SignatureKnob > Which leads to my question: is it harmful to the EFI system of a > manual-transmission car to push start it in the event that battery is > weak/dead? The car will only start if the battery has enough juice to power the fuel pump, ignition system and whatever other electric components the engine needs on in order to start & run. If the battery is dead it ain't going to happen, and it normally won't if the battery has less than 75% charge. Regardless of the car, it's *always* a better idea to charge the low/flat battery rather than push/jump starting the thing, as the charge rate put into the battery by the alternator when the engine fires doesn't do it any favours. -- Regards, Noddy. > > Had to change the battery on the 04 Lancer ES today. First time since new. > > NRMA bloke told me that a normal battery for me car has about 350amps and [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > price, one less thing to worry about as No. 1 daughter has claimed it as her > car now she has her "L's" I bought one around last xmas. Works OK, and is only three months old. I don't expect anything to seep up from the terminals and corrode the connectors like on the lead acid ones where you had to put silicon sealant around the terminals before installing. Corroded battery terminals give me the screaming shites - they have to be clean and shiny. Almost $200 later though. There was a $10 delivery fee in that which was reasnoble given they had to drive 17 km to bring it to me. There is nothing wrong with the old one, however I ah, hum, discharged it using it for lighting on a country property however that's OK because I need another battery there anyway). I'm curious about battery life on SI verses CI engines. On a diesel you hit the thing with around 70 amps for glow plugs for near 10 seconds before starting, then I'm not sure on the current for the starter, however the initial stroke is doing 22:1 compression - of course the next stroke is more air spring. SI engines don't have those requirements on starting. It's curious Damo and I get 8 to 14 years out of them, as a diesel should be harsher on them I would have thought. That said, once started the only requirement of the battery is lighting, stereo, and otherwise not required, however I'd expect in an SI engine should be able to keep up with power requirements via the alternator. > It's curious Damo and I get 8 to 14 years out of them, as a diesel > should be harsher on them I would have thought. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Your primitive vehicle imposes less demands on a battery. No 14-speaker audio system, no DVD entertainment, no heated/cooled seats, no personalised memory system, no SAT-NAV. -- More.luxury.features.more.battery.strain. > > It's curious Damo and I get 8 to 14 years out of them, as a diesel > > should be harsher on them I would have thought. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > audio system, no DVD entertainment, no heated/cooled seats, no personalised > memory system, no SAT-NAV. I live in a place where I run the A/C for most of the year, so I can't understand why I would want my arse heated. Cooled would feel weird. I do have SatNav and it takes next to no power, even runs off it's own battery for quite a while when not plugged into the ciggie lighter outlet. DVD would be the same. I don't need memory system, I'm the only person who I allow to drive my vehicle unless I'm in the vehicle, and that only happens once in a blue moon (I'd have to check my insurance - however I think I'm the only person allowed to) I don't need subwoofed doof-doof with 14speakers. >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Your primitive vehicle imposes less demands on a battery. No 14-speaker [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > I don't need subwoofed doof-doof with 14speakers. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Don't need to be defensive. I'm just sharing my hypothesis as to why your battery life lasts longer. -- We.all.know.how.primitive.your.'Lux.is. > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> Your primitive vehicle imposes less demands on a battery. No 14-speaker [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > -- > We.all.know.how.primitive.your.'Lux.is. It's got carpet (boat carpet) and a stereo with 4 speakers which actually sounds good in a single cab pickup truck. I've gotta ask... is your house the same luxury as your car? It's not primitive, it maintains the KISS, and I like that so that nothing breaks. I like the sheepskin seat covers and my own space inside the vehicle. I refitted the A/C so I actually can freeze my arse off (not via the seats though) - and it works for stuff in the cup holder It's powerfull enough too. It's more 'lux than most people have in their houses. My 'lux is every bit as 'lux as the $1.3 > I bought one around last xmas. Works OK, and is only three months old. > I don't expect anything to seep up from the terminals and corrode the > connectors > like on the lead acid ones where you had to put silicon sealant around > the terminals > before installing. Did you get this from Orange? I'm curious because I think I'll need a new one soon and I like the sound of these calcium ones. But I don't suppose it's something I'll find in Supercheap at Bathurst. > Corroded battery terminals give me the screaming shites - they have to > be clean [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > otherwise not required, however I'd expect in an SI engine should > be able to keep up with power requirements via the alternator. My battery (and I would guess yours too to some degree going by how long it takes you to get to work) spends almost all it's life at full charge. I think that would have something to do with longevity. On Mar 6, 10:31 am, the_dawggie <the_dawg...@hotmail.com> wrote: > I bought one around last xmas. Works OK, and is only three months old. > I don't expect anything to seep up from the terminals and corrode the > connectors > like on the lead acid ones where you had to put silicon sealant around > the terminals > before installing. >Did you get this from Orange? I'm curious because I think I'll need a >new one soon and I like the sound of these calcium ones. But I don't >suppose it's something I'll find in Supercheap at Bathurst. I'm about to go across to Western Battery in Orange in a few minutes to see if they carry them, I will get back to you in a few :-) Signature"Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color." Don Hirschberg > On Mar 6, 10:31 am, the_dawggie <the_dawg...@hotmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I'm about to go across to Western Battery in Orange in a few minutes to > see if they carry them, I will get back to you in a few :-) I just spoke with Mark from Western Battery (ph 63627127) and yes, they do stock Calcium Batteries, he said a ball park figure for something for a diesel 'Lux would set you back about $170 (depending on what you want of course, it may be higher if you want something bigger) Tell him the bloke who wanted one for his little old Laser sent you ;-) Signature"Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color." Don Hirschberg > > On Mar 6, 10:31 am, the_dawggie <the_dawg...@hotmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > course, it may be higher if you want something bigger) > Tell him the bloke who wanted one for his little old Laser sent you ;-) Excellent! Bit late to travel there today but I'll defo pop in tomorrow. Thanks! :-D On Mar 6, 12:57 pm, "Atheist Chaplain" <ab...@cia.gov> wrote: > "Atheist Chaplain" <ab...@cia.gov> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > course, it may be higher if you want something bigger) > Tell him the bloke who wanted one for his little old Laser sent you ;-) Excellent! Bit late to travel there today but I'll defo pop in tomorrow. Thanks! :-D when your there, pop across the road to the BIG building and ask for the bloke in the room upstairs :-) Signature"Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color." Don Hirschberg > when your there, pop across the road to the BIG building and ask for the > bloke in the room upstairs :-) Will do. However it turns out I can't today because I have to go to Sydney for a few days. On Mar 6, 2:37 pm, "Atheist Chaplain" <ab...@cia.gov> wrote: > when your there, pop across the road to the BIG building and ask for the > bloke in the room upstairs :-) ?Will do. However it turns out I can't today because I have to go to >Sydney for a few days. I'll still be here :-) Signature"Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color." Don Hirschberg > On Mar 6, 10:31 am, the_dawggie <the_dawg...@hotmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I'm about to go across to Western Battery in Orange in a few minutes to see > if they carry them, I will get back to you in a few :-) I was going to call them too, however as they say - A(AAAAAAAArdvark) comes before W, and they panned out OK :-) It was worse than that as I didn't have my solar panel with me to recharge the battery, so also therefore could not run my inverter to charge the laptop or cell 'phone. Both were just about to die, and my external wireless modem I had to cut the cable to and attach to a 6V torch battery, so things were getting a little desperate. Well, I could have gone on a hike to the next door neighbours I guess. > > I bought one around last xmas. Works OK, and is only three months old. > > I don't expect anything to seep up from the terminals and corrode the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > new one soon and I like the sound of these calcium ones. But I don't > suppose it's something I'll find in Supercheap at Bathurst. ALCO Battery Sales in Orange checking the records, actually $165 + $10 delivery. It still sucked having to carry it one mile back to the 'lux, which was at this time was at the bottom of the hill after a failed reverse clutch start because I'm guessing there was not even enough juice to hold the fuel cut solenoid open. > > It's curious Damo and I get 8 to 14 years out of them, as a diesel > > should be harsher on them I would have thought. That said, once [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > long it takes you to get to work) spends almost all it's life at full > charge. I think that would have something to do with longevity. Hmm, yeah that is possibly true to an extent, after most starts it would get a full recharge. >I'm curious about battery life on SI verses CI engines. On a diesel >you hit the thing [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >doing 22:1 >compression - of course the next stroke is more air spring. Most diesel starters have reduction gears, which significantly reduces the load on cranking. Glow plug current isn't particularly severe compared to cranking current... which is what normally kills 'em. Likewise high underbonnet temperatures and vibration (or an overcharging regulator). Apart from their needing a larger capacity battery to start with (to handle the glow plugs) I've never found any significant differences in battery life with diesels. Those with 24 volt systems last much longer than anything else. SignatureJohn H > >I'm curious about battery life on SI verses CI engines. On a diesel > >you hit the thing [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >doing 22:1 > >compression - of course the next stroke is more air spring. > Most diesel starters have reduction gears, which significantly reduces > the load on cranking. Glow plug current isn't particularly severe > compared to cranking current... which is what normally kills 'em. > Likewise high underbonnet temperatures and vibration (or an > overcharging regulator). Agree, overcharging, or something however tiny it be, drawing current from a discharged battery will too over time. My diesel battery gets vibrated though :-) > Apart from their needing a larger capacity battery to start with (to > handle the glow plugs) I've never found any significant differences in > battery life with diesels. Those with 24 volt systems last much > longer than anything else. I'm unsure (would have to check the wiring diagrams) if the glow plugs are turned off if cranking while they are still on. If not, then there would be load of both starter and plugs. I don't even wait for them in summer - just go for it (I expect that was the reason I worked out they were all broken when winter came, which they were :-( Yup, 24V setup I would expect to be better. Much better load distribution on the battery cells. > Had to change the battery on the 04 Lancer ES today. First time since new. > NRMA bloke told me that a normal battery for me car has about 350amps and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I can't stop trolls from getting into this post but I am genuinely > interested in battery lifespans in a motoring sorta way :) Thanks for the many views on batteries. I appreciated the comments and tips offered. I am now certainly a bit more aware of some of the factors which affect battery lifespan. I apologise for not being able to contribute very much to the responses as , if the truth be known, I haven't got a clue what questions to start asking at the moment :) Still, I thank ye all again for giving me something to think about :) > Had to change the battery on the 04 Lancer ES today. First time since new. > NRMA bloke told me that a normal battery for me car has about 350amps and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I can't stop trolls from getting into this post but I am genuinely > interested in battery lifespans in a motoring sorta way :) I replaced the battery in my May 03 built Hilux only a couple of weeks ago so it lasted approx 4.75 yrs which I thought was quite good. The battery in our 2001 Corolla lasted about 3.5yrs so I'd say somewhere between 3-4 yrs is normal. Daryl >> Had to change the battery on the 04 Lancer ES today. First time since >> new. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Daryl I replaced the battery in a toy today , 47kg and some insane cranking and over .5M long... still it turns over quite well ( so the $190 for a calcium ) is worth it. >Had to change the battery on the 04 Lancer ES today. First time since new. >NRMA bloke told me that a normal battery for me car has about 350amps and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >I can't stop trolls from getting into this post but I am genuinely >interested in battery lifespans in a motoring sorta way :) First battery in 1996 Hyundai Excel went 5 years, the second one is 7 years and still counting. I've seldom had over 7 years out of a battery over nearly 50 years of motoring, but it depends on whether the car is a good starter or not. A car which starts straight away needs less "bottom" in the battery. Not such a problem with fuel injected cars, but the old carby cars varied quite a lot in fast starting ability. Most batteries died in winter on the first cold morning. :) Ross >Most batteries died in winter on the first cold morning. :) Why would that be then? :) SignatureJohn H |
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