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Lot of media coverage about the Burnley Tunnel at the moment, and how to deal with slow trucks in multiple lanes. What gets me is that no- one in the mass media has noticed that if the laws that we currently have were enforced on *all* freeways, then this wouldn't be an issue. So, a message to the powers that be (and, like me, how about you guys write a letter to your local member): Keep LEFT unless overtaking solves these problems on multi-lane freeways! And as a bonus, our other freeways will flow better. Cheers, Steve On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 22:08:18 -0800 (PST), sgam@hotmail.com blathered on in :aus.cars > Lot of media coverage about the Burnley Tunnel at the moment, and how [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Cheers, > Steve It might do to mention that the rules don't actually include the word 'THEM' ie, Keep *THEM* Left unless overtaking. The way I see it, most of the trouble out there is caused by arseholes trying to ensure no-one gets that chance to change lanes any time anywhere. > The way I see it, most of the trouble out there is caused by arseholes > trying to ensure no-one gets that chance to change lanes any time > anywhere. Nah, that would mean they have some sort of mental activity and thought process. Right lane hogs are brain-dead, mouth-breathers who have no idea of where they are in space and time. HR >> The way I see it, most of the trouble out there is caused by arseholes >> trying to ensure no-one gets that chance to change lanes any time [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Right lane hogs are brain-dead, mouth-breathers who have no idea of where > they are in space and time. Excepting those of us who are trying to get past those brain dead camry drivers. Just because you're in the right lane AND the speed limit is 100Kph doesn't mean you can alternate between 93 and 99.5Kph using the 'it's legal' defence. Just get the fsck out of the way and let people past, that's what Keep Left means. > On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 22:08:18 -0800 (PST), sgam@hotmail.com blathered on in > :aus.cars [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > The way I see it, most of the trouble out there is caused by arseholes > trying to ensure no-one gets that chance to change lanes any time anywhere. You're absolutely, 100% correct on that one. On Mar 6, 5:08 pm, s...@hotmail.com wrote: > Lot of media coverage about the Burnley Tunnel at the moment, and how > to deal with slow trucks in multiple lanes. What gets me is that no- [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > solves these problems on multi-lane freeways! And as a bonus, our > other freeways will flow better. it's impractical during peak hour (which is most of the day in melbourne) to keep out of the right lane unless overtaking. that lane is used to carry general traffic. trucks shouldn't be in the RH lane because when the tunnel climbs, they slow to 30 km/h and the pilled up driver spinning out to jimi hendrix tunes in his head fails to notice the 3000 cars lined up behind him. (or just doesn't give a sh.t) On Mar 6, 5:08 pm, s...@hotmail.com wrote: > Lot of media coverage about the Burnley Tunnel at the moment, and how > to deal with slow trucks in multiple lanes. What gets me is that no- [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > solves these problems on multi-lane freeways! And as a bonus, our > other freeways will flow better. it's impractical during peak hour (which is most of the day in melbourne) to keep out of the right lane unless overtaking. that lane is used to carry general traffic. trucks shouldn't be in the RH lane because when the tunnel climbs, they slow to 30 km/h and the pilled up driver spinning out to jimi hendrix tunes in his head fails to notice the 3000 cars lined up behind him. (or just doesn't give a sh.t) Never driven a truck , have you?? frosty >>Marathon runners with bad shoes suffer the agony of de feet.<< > trucks shouldn't be in the RH lane because when the tunnel climbs, > they slow to 30 km/h and the pilled up driver spinning out to jimi > hendrix tunes in his head fails to notice the 3000 cars lined up > behind him. (or just doesn't give a sh.t) > > Never driven a truck , have you?? no. but feel free to enlighten me how that experience would help in understanding the actions of those who do 30 km/h up the tunnel incline in the RH lane. it's largely up to truck drivers, even if it's the minority. they're the ones who are letting down the rest of the decent ones. On Mar 6, 7:45 pm, "George W Frost" <fro...@iceworks.org> wrote: > trucks shouldn't be in the RH lane because when the tunnel climbs, > they slow to 30 km/h and the pilled up driver spinning out to jimi > hendrix tunes in his head fails to notice the 3000 cars lined up > behind him. (or just doesn't give a sh.t) > > Never driven a truck , have you?? >no. but feel free to enlighten me how that experience would help in >uderstanding the actions of those who do 30 km/h up the tunnel >incline in the RH lane. >it's largely up to truck drivers, even if it's the minority. they're >the ones who are letting down the rest of the decent ones. When you are driving a truck for a living and you have got a bit of speed up, around 80 kph or so, you see a hill ahead of you and you plant the foot to get you up and over the hill, when there is another vehicle ahead of you going slower, you look to see if there is room to pass, if so, then you do and get over the hill instead of being held up behind the slower vehicle, which could hold you back five minutes in your travel times, then for each other slow vehicle, add another five minutes and there you have , over a time travel of two hours, you are held back maybe twenty mnutes or half an hour, so you go out and pass the slower vehicle because time is money and you don't get paid by time, you get paid for the trip. The average car driver is usually on the way home as to the times you are talking about, so they have made their money for the day while the truck driver is still working Are you going to try and tell me tat there are no rogue operators in the hotel industry, the building industry or the insurance business or any other business? I think it is about time that the truck driver was given a break from all this negative feedback caused by a few "cowboys". frosty >>When a clock is hungry, it goes back four seconds.<< > When you are driving a truck for a living and you have got a bit of speed up, around > 80 kph or so, you see a hill ahead of you and you plant the foot to get you up and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > about, so they have made their money for the day while the truck driver is still > working this is not what i see in the tunnel. no one is seriously complaining about trucks that hold their speed. i'm talking about the ones that are coming along at 80 km/h in the RH lane, and just can't hold that speed up the hill, presumably due to being loaded up. they downshift until they're doing 30 km/h and hold everyone up. what you've described is a completely different scenario, and one in which no one gets held up. the reality is, some truckies just don't give a sh.t about other road users. call them cowboys if you like but they're out there. >> When you are driving a truck for a living and you have got a bit of speed up, around >> 80 kph or so, you see a hill ahead of you and you plant the foot to get you up and [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > the reality is, some truckies just don't give a sh.t about other road > users. call them cowboys if you like but they're out there. so where are you going at this time of the day Fonz?? on ya way home what's the rush??? wow a whole 30 seconds taken from you those bastard truck drivers not like you are following them for 20 minutes is it f.cking impatient w.nkers like you are the problem on the roads why should one truck that can manage to do 30kph be forced to follow one that can only manage 20kph up the hill you'd have a brain melt down if you had to travel the Toowoomba range every day then wouldn't you trucks in both lanes doing 15kph going up AND down the range now go have a good cry and a lie down Kev > why should one truck that can manage to do 30kph be forced to follow one > that can only manage 20kph up the hill Because he's not capable of maintaining the speed limit. Why should everyone *else* have to put up with that sh.t just because some brain dead truck driver wants to go 10km/h faster than another one? > you'd have a brain melt down if you had to travel the Toowoomba range > every day then wouldn't you > trucks in both lanes doing 15kph > going up AND down the range > > now go have a good cry and a lie down Your attitude right there is the number one reason why a hell of a lot of truck drivers get absolutely no f.cking respect from anyone. -- Regards, Noddy. >> why should one truck that can manage to do 30kph be forced to follow one >> that can only manage 20kph up the hill [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Why should everyone *else* have to put up with that sh.t just because some > brain dead truck driver wants to go 10km/h faster than another one? And yet it's perfectly fine for some retard who CAN manage to maintain 100kph but choses to plug along at 70 holding up everyone else for 20 klms but a truck holds up some cars for 100 metres and they should be hung out to dry get real >> you'd have a brain melt down if you had to travel the Toowoomba range >> every day then wouldn't you [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Your attitude right there is the number one reason why a hell of a lot of > truck drivers get absolutely no f.cking respect from anyone. f.ck them then bunch of whinging impatient w.nkers who might be 30 seconds late getting home Always the Truck that has to make allowances, heaven forbid a car driver might make allowances for a truck Kev > >> why should one truck that can manage to do 30kph be forced to follow one > >> that can only manage 20kph up the hill [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > hung out to dry > get real Nope. They should *both* be hung out to dry :-) > And yet it's perfectly fine for some retard who CAN manage to maintain > 100kph but choses to plug along at 70 holding up everyone else for 20 klms > but a truck holds up some cars for 100 metres and they should be hung out > to dry Who said it was perfectly okay? Slower vehicles should keep left, *regardless* of what they are. You seem to be suggesting that it's selfish for some car driving nut to sit in the right lane and hold everyone behind him up, but if a truck driver does it then it's perfectly okay because he's not holding people up for long. Here's the scoop buddy: I've *never* seen a truck go through that tunnel in the right lane and only be in the right lane for 100 meters while passing other traffic. A couple of *kilometers* at the minmum, and then the mouth breathing mungbeans wonder why all the cars behind then give them the finger. > get real You could do with a stiff dose of that yourself I imagine. > f.ck them then > bunch of whinging impatient w.nkers who might be 30 seconds late getting > home The double standard is so thick here you could snick someone's head off with it :) > Always the Truck that has to make allowances, heaven forbid a car driver > might make allowances for a truck Hmm.. I can't remember the last time I saw a truck making allowances for a car. I've seen *plenty* of occurrences where cars have had to brake *heavily* to avoid hitting a semi coming out of a driveway into a stream of steadily moving traffic with the obvious intention of making the cars give way to him because he's bigger. The fact that a lot of truck drivers are ignorant impatient arseholes probably has a lot to do with that. -- Regards, Noddy. >> And yet it's perfectly fine for some retard who CAN manage to maintain >> 100kph but choses to plug along at 70 holding up everyone else for 20 klms [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > moving traffic with the obvious intention of making the cars give way to him > because he's bigger. Barely a day goes by that this doesn't happen to me if I have to head north to Wollongong. I'm serious. > The fact that a lot of truck drivers are ignorant impatient arseholes > probably has a lot to do with that. Some of them either truly believe they own the road, or more likely they just don't give a f.ck, because as you say, they're bigger. It only takes one a day to pull this sh.t on you to make your opinion of steering wheel attendants what it is... >> I can't remember the last time I saw a truck making allowances for a >> car. I've seen *plenty* of occurrences where cars have had to brake [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Barely a day goes by that this doesn't happen to me if I have to head > north to Wollongong. I'm serious. You don't have to think too hard to figure out why that happens, in a car you can accelerate quickly so pulling out into a stream of traffic is easy, not so easy with a large heavily loaded truck, I've sat at an intersection for 10mins waiting for a gap and no one will let you in so at the first sign of a small gap you pull out into the traffic which of course causes the traffic to have slow down or brake, sometimes there is no other way. Believe it or not when I was training for my HC license about 4 yrs ago the instructor told me to do exactly that after I'd been waiting for a long time to do a RH turn. > Some of them either truly believe they own the road, or more likely they > just don't give a f.ck, because as you say, they're bigger. That usually has very little to do with it, see above. > It only takes one a day to pull this sh.t on you to make your opinion of > steering wheel attendants what it is... Think about why it happens and your opinion will change, I never have those problems with trucks when I'm driving my ute or car because I can anticipate what a truck driver will do in a given situation, if car drivers were taught about heavy trucks then IMO a lot of these sorts of problems wouldn't exist. BTW I gave up truck driving a couple of weeks ago so I don't care:-) Daryl > >> I can't remember the last time I saw a truck making allowances for a > >> car. I've seen *plenty* of occurrences where cars have had to brake [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > drivers were taught about heavy trucks then IMO a lot of these sorts of > problems wouldn't exist. Pretty much spot on. Also, there would be less cars having their bonnets run over due to impatient drivers trying to squeeze past semis turning right on roundabouts :-) > BTW I gave up truck driving a couple of weeks ago so I don't care:-) LOL :-) Andy. On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 22:45:56 +1100, Andy blathered on in :aus.cars >> Jeكus wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Andy. I spend considerable time in my extremely entertaining and therefore piss-poor pay rated jobbie. Driving in major industrial areas with trucks wall-to-wall is considerably safer than mixing it with standard traffic. Why? Because everyone there understands the physics of vehicles - they have to or they aren't there any more;-) > Believe it or not when I was training for my HC license about 4 yrs ago > the instructor told me to do exactly that after I'd been waiting for a > long time to do a RH turn. Well then he's a f.cking knob who should lose his ticket. I can understand it when traffic is heavy and if they sat and waited until it was clear enough they'd be there all day, but I've had it happen heaps of times when I'm the only car within cooee and they pull out anyway rather than just wait the extra five seconds for you to pass and then go after you. > That usually has very little to do with it, see above. It has shitloads to do with it :) > Think about why it happens and your opinion will change, I never have > those problems with trucks when I'm driving my ute or car because I can > anticipate what a truck driver will do in a given situation, if car > drivers were taught about heavy trucks then IMO a lot of these sorts of > problems wouldn't exist. With respects, if 90% of the country's truck drivers weren't in such a f.cking hurry to go nowhere quickly we wouldn't be having this discussion. What amazes me is that just about every truck I see doing something stupid like speeding or tail-gating is a company truck driven by some retard on f.cking *wages*. What the f.ck is *that* all about? :) > BTW I gave up truck driving a couple of weeks ago so I don't care:-) Good move I reckon. It's got to be one of the most *boring* jobs on the planet. -- Regards, Noddy. >>> I can't remember the last time I saw a truck making allowances for a >>> car. I've seen *plenty* of occurrences where cars have had to brake [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> > That usually has very little to do with it, see above. Sometimes I truly wish I had a video recording system in the car for situations like these, it'd do what words (and my own laziness) fail to get across. Like the truck the other day that deliberately cut me off when I was merging onto the highway, for absolutely no advantage to himself whatsoever in terms of time. I was actually ahead of him by a good 20 metres and all traffic was coming to a stop right ahead dude to roadworks, so I saw no reason to *speed up*... ahh but not this guy, oh no. And he most definitely saw me, and made sure I was forced off to the side. It was no accident. >> It only takes one a day to pull this sh.t on you to make your opinion >> of steering wheel attendants what it is... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > drivers were taught about heavy trucks then IMO a lot of these sorts of > problems wouldn't exist. I do of course think, and 9 times out 10 anticipate. But doing so doesn't change the nature of certain truck drivers, especially when there are so many trucks on the road here. > BTW I gave up truck driving a couple of weeks ago so I don't care:-) And the ones that still drive don't care either! :)  Signaturehttp://fun.drno.de/pics/english/rooftops.jpg >> Think about why it happens and your opinion will change, I never have >> those problems with trucks when I'm driving my ute or car because I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > doesn't change the nature of certain truck drivers, especially when > there are so many trucks on the road here. Cars drivers are their own worst enemies and 99% have nfi what a truck is doing and they care even less, you're in fantasy land if you think that more than a handful of cars drivers anticipate what a truck is going to do. >> BTW I gave up truck driving a couple of weeks ago so I don't care:-) > > And the ones that still drive don't care either! :) My experience is that if you drive with courtesy you will get courtesy back, an American friend who has been to lots of places around the world often says that Australians are the rudest and worst drivers in the world, I see no reason to disagree with him. Daryl > Cars drivers are their own worst enemies and 99% have nfi what a truck is > doing and they care even less, you're in fantasy land if you think that > more than a handful of cars drivers anticipate what a truck is going to > do. How do you know? I mean, just because it might not appear to you that they're thinking about it doesn't mean they are. > My experience is that if you drive with courtesy you will get courtesy > back, an American friend who has been to lots of places around the world > often says that Australians are the rudest and worst drivers in the world, > I see no reason to disagree with him. Your American friend has obviously never been to Los Angeles or New York :) -- Regards, Noddy. >> Cars drivers are their own worst enemies and 99% have nfi what a truck is >> doing and they care even less, you're in fantasy land if you think that >> more than a handful of cars drivers anticipate what a truck is going to >> do. > > How do you know? Thats easy, what driver with a clue would cut in front of a braking truck? It happens so frequently its proves the point, another example is drivers ignoring the "Do not overtake turning vehicle" signs, I've lost count of the fuckwits who attempted suicide but going up the inside whilst I was making a wide turn. > I mean, just because it might not appear to you that they're thinking about > it doesn't mean they are. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Your American friend has obviously never been to Los Angeles or New York :) He spent many years around LA and was there last year for a month but AFAIK he has never been to New York. He isn't the only person I've heard say the sane thing. Daryl > Like the truck the other day that deliberately cut me off when I was merging onto > the highway, for absolutely no advantage to himself whatsoever in terms of time. I > was actually ahead of him by a good 20 metres and all traffic was coming to a stop > right ahead dude to roadworks, so I saw no reason to *speed up*... ahh but not this > guy, oh no. And he most definitely saw me, and made sure I was forced off to the > side. It was no accident. If you were merging onto a highway, then you would have been faced with a give way markings on the road think it is called a zip lane? However, when you are merging onto a highway or a road and your lane ends with dotted painted lines, then you are obliged to give way to all traffic on the lane into which you are merging. If you are pissed off because the truck driver didn't let you in, then that is your problem, not his, you were in the wrong. The truck driver is not alone in his actions, I do the same thing, with the worst ones coming in from the Sunbury and the Keilor entry lanes, just before the ring road on the Calder. and coming the other way back to Swan Hill at the ring road entry to the freeway. Most other roads are okay, must have something to do with the water they drink >>> It only takes one a day to pull this sh.t on you to make your opinion of steering >>> wheel attendants what it is... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >> BTW I gave up truck driving a couple of weeks ago so I don't care:-) They may call a Toyota four door ute a truck in the USA, but not here. >> And yet it's perfectly fine for some retard who CAN manage to maintain >> 100kph but choses to plug along at 70 holding up everyone else for 20 klms [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > lane and hold everyone behind him up, but if a truck driver does it then > it's perfectly okay because he's not holding people up for long. so why is there no daily complaint about some ignorant holding up traffic for 20 klms on the highway but trucks do the same thing and it's "oh those pill popping drugged up truckies causing traffic chaos should be banished to a left lane only" > Here's the scoop buddy: I've *never* seen a truck go through that tunnel in > the right lane and only be in the right lane for 100 meters while passing > other traffic. A couple of *kilometers* at the minmum, and then the mouth > breathing mungbeans wonder why all the cars behind then give them the > finger. so do all those car drivers who can, but don't, maintain the speed limit get the same, hardly, I bet there are far more cars doing it than trucks too >> get real > > You could do with a stiff dose of that yourself I imagine. I'm sure we all could >> f.ck them then >> bunch of whinging impatient w.nkers who might be 30 seconds late getting >> home > > The double standard is so thick here you could snick someone's head off with > it :) Indeed >> Always the Truck that has to make allowances, heaven forbid a car driver >> might make allowances for a truck > > Hmm.. > > I can't remember the last time I saw a truck making allowances for a car. All day every day, in fact the Companies I work for insist that we make extra allowances and wear the sh.t slung at us by the retards that we manage NOT to kill by making allowances for their f.cked driving > I've seen *plenty* of occurrences where cars have had to brake *heavily* to > avoid hitting a semi you've never see truck having to brake heavily for clowns who just "have to get past that truck", all too common, much more common than cars having to brake suddenly for trucks coming out of a driveway into a stream of steadily > moving traffic with the obvious intention of making the cars give way to him > because he's bigger. So why do you thing they have to force their way out into traffic like that???? have a think about the last time you saw anyone give a truck a chance to get out of anywhere yet they will have no problem slowing a bit so a car can get out getting to merge into any stream of traffic is usually a force your way in type scenario because no one will let the trucks in, yet they have no problem letting a few cars in sit and watch at any merge point and observe the attitude change when a truck appears > The fact that a lot of truck drivers are ignorant impatient arseholes > probably has a lot to do with that. not unlike most car drivers what was that about double standards Kev > so why is there no daily complaint about some ignorant holding up traffic > for 20 klms on the highway but trucks do the same thing and it's "oh those > pill popping drugged up truckies causing traffic chaos should be banished > to a left lane only" Cars that do it are just as much of a pain in the arse, but generally when cars do it they move out of the way a hell of a lot quicker. I don't care what you drive, there's *nothing* more frustrating than trucks spread across all lanes having a 7 kilometer long "drag race", with the fastest of them being walking pace quicker than the rest. Incidentally, *all* slow vehicles should keep left. Not just trucks. > so do all those car drivers who can, but don't, maintain the speed limit > get the same, hardly, I bet there are far more cars doing it than trucks > too Of course you would, but then you're a truck driver, and truck drivers can do no wrong in your eyes. To me a bad driver is a bad driver. Regardless of what they're driving. > All day every day, in fact the Companies I work for insist that we make > extra allowances and wear the sh.t slung at us by the retards that we > manage NOT to kill by making allowances for their f.cked driving By doing what exactly? > you've never see truck having to brake heavily for clowns who just "have > to get past that truck", all too common, much more common than cars having > to brake suddenly for trucks How do you know? > So why do you thing they have to force their way out into traffic like > that???? They have to fuckingwell *wait* like everyone else. Jesus Christ, this is *exactly* the problem. They're too f.cking impatient to get moving at a snail's pace so they have to push in and make everyone else around them give way to *them*. > have a think about the last time you saw anyone give a truck a chance to > get out of anywhere yet they will have no problem slowing a bit so a car [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > sit and watch at any merge point and observe the attitude change when a > truck appears Mate, you live in a fantasy world where truck drivers are heroes and everyone else is a c.nt :) I can tell you right now as sure as I'm sitting here that if your average truck driver was the conscientious & accomodating driver you make them out to be we wouldn't be having this discussion. > not unlike most car drivers > what was that about double standards It certainly goes both ways, but clearly not in your view. -- Regards, Noddy. >> so why is there no daily complaint about some ignorant holding up traffic >> for 20 klms on the highway but trucks do the same thing and it's "oh those [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > all lanes having a 7 kilometer long "drag race", with the fastest of them > being walking pace quicker than the rest. Although I've never travelled this Tunnel I doubt the hill climb out is 7klms, what is it 300-400metres? how long does that bit take to climb? but it's fine for cars to be 3 lanes wide and not passing anyone singling out trucks again > Incidentally, *all* slow vehicles should keep left. Not just trucks. so why is everyone singling out truck drivers? >> so do all those car drivers who can, but don't, maintain the speed limit >> get the same, hardly, I bet there are far more cars doing it than trucks >> too > > Of course you would, but then you're a truck driver, and truck drivers can > do no wrong in your eyes. Hardly, a lot truck drivers a complete retards, and interstater/linehaul drivers are some of the worst, but by far the worst are the mud carters > To me a bad driver is a bad driver. Regardless of what they're driving. Again so why single out truck drivers? no one gets in here and complains about the slow cars that CAN maintain speed but choose not to in the Tunnel >> All day every day, in fact the Companies I work for insist that we make >> extra allowances and wear the sh.t slung at us by the retards that we >> manage NOT to kill by making allowances for their f.cked driving > > By doing what exactly? >> you've never see truck having to brake heavily for clowns who just "have >> to get past that truck", all too common, much more common than cars having >> to brake suddenly for trucks > > How do you know? >> So why do you thing they have to force their way out into traffic like >> that???? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > to get moving at a snail's pace so they have to push in and make everyone > else around them give way to *them*. so you think a truck driver should wait until there is room enough for him pull out and get up to the speed of the traffic before the traffic catches up so no one has to slow down, that is never going to happen on any major road at any time of the day, even a 300 metre brak in traffic is never going to be enough, by the time the truck pulls out, turns and gets going cars are already climbing all over the back of it >> have a think about the last time you saw anyone give a truck a chance to >> get out of anywhere yet they will have no problem slowing a bit so a car [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Mate, you live in a fantasy world where truck drivers are heroes and > everyone else is a c.nt :) Don't ever make the mistake of believing that I think of truck drivers as heroes, they are just not all the image that a lot of people have of them No I live in a world where c.nts are c.nts no matter what they drive > I can tell you right now as sure as I'm sitting here that if your average > truck driver was the conscientious & accommodating driver you make them out > to be we wouldn't be having this discussion. It works both ways Noddy and you(and others here) haven't shown that you are any more accommodating than the truck drivers you are complaining about >> not unlike most car drivers >> what was that about double standards > > It certainly goes both ways, but clearly not in your view. It certainly goes both ways, but clearly not in your view. Kev > Although I've never travelled this Tunnel I doubt the hill climb out is > 7klms, what is it 300-400metres? It's around a kilometer. > how long does that bit take to climb? It's not just the climb, which takes *ages* when some rockape is doing 30km/h in the right lane, but the next few km of them being in the right lane getting up to speed when they come out. > but it's fine for cars to be 3 lanes wide and not passing anyone > singling out trucks again Jeez, you have a real problem with this, don't ya? What part of *all* slow vehicles should stay the f.ck out of the right lane don't you get? > so why is everyone singling out truck drivers? Because on this particular stretch of road they're the worst offenders. Cars go slow as well, but not nearly as slow as most trucks crawling up the hill do. > Again so why single out truck drivers? > no one gets in here and complains about the slow cars that CAN maintain > speed but choose not to in the Tunnel I think it would be a good idea to get down off your 18 wheeled high horse, come down to Melbourne and drive the tunnel yourself to see what it is we're talking about. Oh, and do it in a car so you get to experience some complete tosser in a truck sitting 4 inches off your rear bumper on the way down to the bottom of the tunnel :) > so you think a truck driver should wait until there is room enough for him > pull out and get up to the speed of the traffic before the traffic catches > up so no one has to slow down, That's not what I said, but you're close. I don't expect them to have to use binoculars to see the next oncoming car before they pull out onto the road, but by the same token I *also* don't expect them to approach a corner without ever intending to stop, take a *brief* glimpse to see if anyone's coming and then pull out while I'm within 50 meters of the truck fanging along at 70km/h when there's no one within *miles* behind me and they just can't be f.cked dropping back a couple of gears to stop. If you think I'm making this sh.t up then let me tell you this happens almost *every* single time I drive down the main street from my house past the nearby industrial estate. > that is never going to happen on any major road at any time of the day, > even a 300 metre brak in traffic is never going to be enough, by the time > the truck pulls out, turns and gets going cars are already climbing all > over the back of it Well, that's really stiff sh.t, isn't it? What's so special about trucks & truck drivers that they should be afforded any treatment anyone else wouldn't normally get? > Don't ever make the mistake of believing that I think of truck drivers as > heroes, they are just not all the image that a lot of people have of them > No I live in a world where c.nts are c.nts no matter what they drive You honestly could have fooled me. You should spend some time in Melbourne. Down here finding a truck driver who *isn't* an idiot behind the wheel is a tall order indeed. > It works both ways Noddy and you(and others here) haven't shown that you > are any more accommodating than the truck drivers you are complaining > about And how would you have me do that? If I said I was a decent driver and acted in a sharing and responsible manner you wouldn't beleive me anyway (which, as it happens, I generally do). The point being that while there are arseholes in *all* types of vehicles, truck driving arseholes stand out more than others simply by virtue of the vehicle they drive. They're slow, large, heavy and take up a shitload of the road, and a hell of a lot of the clowns who drive them think they're owed a favour simply because they do. > It certainly goes both ways, but clearly not in your view. That's like one of those "I know you are, but what am I" things my neighbour's 5 year old kid comes up with. -- Regards, Noddy. > That's like one of those "I know you are, but what am I" things my > neighbour's 5 year old kid comes up with. Well you started it :) Kev > Well you started it > :) Did not :) -- Regards, Noddy. >> Well you started it >> :) > > Did not :) I'm tellin Kev > > Incidentally, *all* slow vehicles should keep left. Not just trucks. > > so why is everyone singling out truck drivers? Actually, this is what prompted my OP. They were kicking around a law that was going to stop *trucks* from overtaking in the tunnel - due to an horrific accident that happened a while back, involving multiple cars and caused by a truck, it seemed. An unworkable answer. Hence my call for the existing laws to actually be used, and enforced. Doesn't matter who you are, keep left *unless* overtaking solves the problem. Cheers, Steve > An unworkable answer. Hence my call for the existing laws to actually > be used, and enforced. Doesn't matter who you are, keep left *unless* > overtaking solves the problem. If it were up to me, I'd pass a law effective immediately that prohibited trucks from being in the right lane full stop, as there is absolutely no need for them to be. Let them play walking pace drag racing if they like, but limit them to the left and centre lanes only. -- Regards, Noddy. > <s...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Regards, > Noddy. *Strongly* disagree with that, actually. I couldn't give a rat's arse who's in the right hand lane - assuming they're overtaking someone to the left of them. Last thing we need is *more* laws. I think it should be more difficult to create new laws. In fact, I'd like to see a 2/3 majority in parliament necessary to pass *any* law. Watch a two party system work *that* out! :-) Cheers, Steve (the fact I'm a lefto quasi-anarchist has some bearing on the above post :-) ) > (the fact I'm a lefto quasi-anarchist has some bearing on the above post > :-) ) So it would seem :) -- Regards, Noddy. On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:58:55 +1100, Noddy blathered on in :aus.cars >> (the fact I'm a lefto quasi-anarchist has some bearing on the above post >> :-) ) > > So it would seem :) And it's all fucken good!! What a top idea...that bit about 2/3.. - me, I'd say 100% or no go - Nothing quasi about moi.. > On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:58:55 +1100, Noddy blathered on in :aus.cars > > > <s...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > And it's all fucken good!! > What a top idea...that bit about 2/3.. Oh sh.t, I got the nod of approval from Toby! Off to the funny farm for me... :-) > - me, I'd say 100% or no go - > Nothing quasi about moi.. Never a truer word written on this NG. Toby, I think it'd be sweet to do away with voting altogether, and have a random ballot decide who's in power. It's every bit as "representative" if not more so, and there's far less chance of people carving out mini empires. Cheers, Steve (Constitutional changes, I could go on and on and on...Do away with state govs. altogether, anyone?) > (Constitutional changes, I could go on and on and on...Do away with > state govs. altogether, anyone?) Abso-fuggen-lutely :) -- Regards, Noddy. >> <s...@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > who's in the right hand lane - assuming they're overtaking someone to > the left of them. Last thing we need is *more* laws. Agreed, we don't need any more stupid road rules. Daryl > Agreed, we don't need any more stupid road rules. Yes we do. We need *lots*, to replace some of the completely *f.cked* ones we have now. -- Regards, Noddy. >> An unworkable answer. Hence my call for the existing laws to actually >> be used, and enforced. Doesn't matter who you are, keep left *unless* [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > need for them to be. Let them play walking pace drag racing if they like, > but limit them to the left and centre lanes only. What utter rubbish, why should a truck capable of doing the speed limit be held up by some twonk in a car who drives well below the speed limit? Getting stuck behind such an idiot is what causes the trucks to slow down, when a truck looses its momentum its unable to maintain a decent speed which holds following vehicles up. I went through the tunnel at 6.30 am this morning and the traffic was being held up by a moron in a white VT Commodore doing 65kph in the rh lane so should all drivers of white Commodores be forced to stay out of the rh lane? A better solution would be to force all cars to do a minimum speed, idiots in cars driving too slow are far greater problem than slow trucks and if the police actually enforced keep left rules for all vehicles there wouldn't be any need for any stupid rules just for trucks. Daryl > What utter rubbish, why should a truck capable of doing the speed limit be > held up by some twonk in a car who drives well below the speed limit? What, two lanes ain't enough? > Getting stuck behind such an idiot is what causes the trucks to slow down, > when a truck looses its momentum its unable to maintain a decent speed [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > lane so should all drivers of white Commodores be forced to stay out of > the rh lane? *Anyone* not doing the speed limit should be out of the right hand lane, and in particular trucks as they're usually not doing the limit through the tunnel. > A better solution would be to force all cars to do a minimum speed, idiots > in cars driving too slow are far greater problem than slow trucks and if > the police actually enforced keep left rules for all vehicles there > wouldn't be any need for any stupid rules just for trucks. Remember when we had "Trucks must use left two lanes" on the Westgate Bridge? It worked *great* when that was in effect. Now it's totally *f.cked* when you get 4 lanes of trucks crawling up the bridge with one going 2km/h faster than the others who just *has* to be out in the right lane because he can't be f.cked sitting in behind the others and waiting. Like I said in another post, a moron is a moron regardless of what he drives. The problem with moronic truck drivers is that they have *far* greater potential to cause mayhem (as recent accidents in the tunnel have shown). -- Regards, Noddy. crikey, you've dug a big hole for yourself with that outburst :) > why should one truck that can manage to do 30kph be forced to follow one > that can only manage 20kph up the hill cos the rest of us can do 80. you realise that by blocking the RH lane doing 30 clicks you're only making matters worse for yourselves, by adding to congestion? it's selfish and pointless behaviour. most truckies accept that and do the right thing, let's remember that point. so why can't the rest of them? it's just the brain dead minority. sadly for the responsible majority, they are usually the basis for introducing new laws. > crikey, you've dug a big hole for yourself with that outburst :) > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > it's just the brain dead minority. sadly for the responsible majority, > they are usually the basis for introducing new laws. Like I said a whole 30 seconds of your time gee that is worth making a big deal about isn't it Kev > Like I said > a whole 30 seconds of your time > gee that is worth making a big deal about isn't it it's a lot more than 30 seconds when it's all the way up the burnley tunnel hill, and you have to multiply that by 100 cars sitting behind it. you have to realise that it causes congestion that flows way back from just where the driver is sitting in his cab. the other thing is, what you're saying is a bit like my taking $20 from your wallet - "it's only $20". it's just wrong. it doesn't matter how much money it is. > Like I said > a whole 30 seconds of your time > gee that is worth making a big deal about isn't it What f.cking planet are you on? If it *was* thirty seconds, no one would give a sh.t. -- Regards, Noddy. >>> When you are driving a truck for a living and you have got a bit of >>> speed up, around [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > now go have a good cry and a lie down Now I'll bet you'll think I'm just picking on you (I didn't even know you were one), but seriously thats exactly the kind of attitude that generates so much hatred for truckies. f.cking explains a lot actually. >> When you are driving a truck for a living and you have got a bit of speed up, around >> 80 kph or so, you see a hill ahead of you and you plant the foot to get you up and [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > the reality is, some truckies just don't give a sh.t about other road > users. call them cowboys if you like but they're out there. Damned right are, and it seems to be getting worse each year. Its a shame that there isn't the political will to develop the rail system, which could help alleviate the situation. Signaturehttp://fun.drno.de/pics/english/rooftops.jpg > On Mar 6, 5:08 pm, s...@hotmail.com wrote: >> Lot of media coverage about the Burnley Tunnel at the moment, and how [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > hendrix tunes in his head fails to notice the 3000 cars lined up > behind him. (or just doesn't give a sh.t) Sure a few trucks do that but the majority have no trouble maintaining the speed limit exiting the tunnels, the truck I used to drive could easily maintain the speed limit climbing out of the tunnels. Daryl > > trucks shouldn't be in the RH lane because when the tunnel climbs, > > they slow to 30 km/h and the pilled up driver spinning out to jimi [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the speed limit exiting the tunnels, the truck I used to drive could > easily maintain the speed limit climbing out of the tunnels. until recently, i drove the tunnel every day for years. here's the thing - it only takes one truck to hold up the whole line of cars. and it happens too often. that's great your truck can hold its speed but sadly there are too many, even if it's a minority, that can't and happily hold up proceedings. >> On Mar 6, 5:08 pm, s...@hotmail.com wrote: >>> Lot of media coverage about the Burnley Tunnel at the moment, and how [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > the speed limit exiting the tunnels, the truck I used to drive could > easily maintain the speed limit climbing out of the tunnels. sure, but you were carting post holes. (cubic) big difference to top weight. > Daryl SignatureDon`t be sexist...........Broads hate that. >>> On Mar 6, 5:08 pm, s...@hotmail.com wrote: >>>> Lot of media coverage about the Burnley Tunnel at the moment, and how [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > sure, but you were carting post holes. (cubic) big difference to top > weight. No posts just the holes or something that weighed next to nothing which does make a difference but I only had 310hp and it still did it easy:-) Daryl > On Mar 6, 5:08 pm, s...@hotmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > melbourne) to keep out of the right lane unless overtaking. that lane > is used to carry general traffic. It's only impractical at the moment because NO ONE DOES IT! Next time you see two cars overtaking the middle car and trying to merge back on top of each other from left and right, think about it for a second. If the slow car had been in the left lane - no problems. > trucks shouldn't be in the RH lane because when the tunnel climbs, > they slow to 30 km/h and the pilled up driver spinning out to jimi > hendrix tunes in his head fails to notice the 3000 cars lined up > behind him. (or just doesn't give a sh.t) Doesn't matter if it's a truck or a Porsche GT3. if you're not overtaking, get over to the left lane. It's the best way to prevent massive accidents like we've already seen in the tunnel - and it's the best way to improve flow on all our freeways. Cheers, Steve > On Mar 6, 5:08 pm, s...@hotmail.com wrote: >> Lot of media coverage about the Burnley Tunnel at the moment, and how [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > hendrix tunes in his head fails to notice the 3000 cars lined up > behind him. (or just doesn't give a sh.t) AWWW for 30 f.cking seconds some loser in a car has to slow down to 30 AWWWWWWWWW have a f.cking cry just our chance to f.ck up a car driver for once Kev > AWWW for 30 f.cking seconds some loser in a car has to slow down to 30 > AWWWWWWWWW have a f.cking cry > > just our chance to f.ck up a car driver for once f.ck you.... Get in the f.cking left lane where you belong, you fat oily heap of sh.t :) -- Regards, Noddy. >> AWWW for 30 f.cking seconds some loser in a car has to slow down to 30 >> AWWWWWWWWW have a f.cking cry [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Regards, > Noddy. f.ck you.... get in behind where ya belong Kev >> On Mar 6, 5:08 pm, s...@hotmail.com wrote: >>> Lot of media coverage about the Burnley Tunnel at the moment, and how [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > just our chance to f.ck up a car driver for once True colours. > Lot of media coverage about the Burnley Tunnel at the moment, and how > to deal with slow trucks in multiple lanes. What gets me is that no- [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > solves these problems on multi-lane freeways! And as a bonus, our > other freeways will flow better. Agree with the general comment about keeping left but I don't expect to see that or any other road rule apart from speeding enforced anytime soon. I wish the "media" would make up its mind, one minute the f.ck wits are rabbiting on about speeding trucks but now the trucks are too slow. I spent lots of time in the tunnels rh lanes in the truck overtaking f.ck wit car drivers doing 60kph, stuffed if I'm going to creep along at 60 when I could easily do the speed limit in another lane. Daryl > I wish the "media" would make up its mind, one minute the f.ck wits are > rabbiting on about speeding trucks but now the trucks are too slow. I know a Linfox driver who had that same problem his boss was always on him about the time he took to do his days work(always 12 1/2 hours) and said he needed to go faster driver asks "are you telling me to speed?" his boss just said he needed to go faster next thing his boss is up him about doing 115kph on the Sat tracker "well you told me to go faster" so the boss gave up Kev On Sat, 08 Mar 2008 22:35:09 +1000, Kev blathered on in :aus.cars >> I wish the "media" would make up its mind, one minute the f.ck wits are >> rabbiting on about speeding trucks but now the trucks are too slow. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Kev just gave up? I doubt it... It's just 'moved on' to harass others not vicious enough to call it out. I'm continually stunned and amazed by mongrels like that - it's as if they believe each and every worker they 'control' is out to rip off the company. Suuure, there's a percentage of workers out they that might - but the vast majority of them don't and never would. The mongrels in management who can't tell the difference should be taken out the back and beaten senseless by whoever is thinking of leaving any time soon. > just gave up? > I doubt it... > It's just 'moved on' to harass others not vicious enough to call it out. *If* there was any truth to it. The Linfox fleet is speed limited to 107km/h, like they're *supposed* to be :) -- Regards, Noddy. > The Linfox fleet is speed limited to 107km/h, like they're supposed > to be :) A few months back I did a quick trip to Rocky - went up and back on consecutive nights. My ute sits most comfortably at around 115kph, any faster and the fibreglass canopy sets up a resonance that is quite annoying. Anyway, the thing about both night trips is that I was constantly being passed by trucks travelling at about 120kph. Every last one of them was displaying "100 speed limited signs". And yes, my speedo is accurate. -- >> The Linfox fleet is speed limited to 107km/h, like they're supposed >> to be :) [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > And yes, my speedo is accurate. Okay, so now it comes out, You were the bastard who was holding everyone up !! >> The Linfox fleet is speed limited to 107km/h, like they're supposed >> to be :) [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > And yes, my speedo is accurate. Bullshit 120!!!! f.ck off idiot if you had said 140+ I would have believed you Kev >> The Linfox fleet is speed limited to 107km/h, like they're supposed >> to be :) [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > And yes, my speedo is accurate. Oh and you do know that trucks are no longer required to show the "100 Speed Limited" signs those are just old trailers Kev >> just gave up? >> I doubt it... [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Regards, > Noddy. I've never driven a Linfox truck that could do more than 103 and Linfox would never knowingly allow any of their trucks to operate outside the national speed limiting laws, it's not worth it for them if you do happen to see a Linfox trailer going over that then it will more than likely be a tow operator/subbie Kev |
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