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Car Forum / Australian Car Forums / General Car Topics (Australian group) / March 2008Toyotas and front outer edge tyre wear
Any one knows why Toyota engineers set up their vehicles for front outer edge tyre wear. Is it a safety thing? So people notice their tyres getting worn down.... They must have some valid reason cause they seem very consistant form Yaris to their light Commercials.over the range except for the Lexus IS200 which only one model that had inner tyre wear issues at one point Alignment settings are fine and yes hard cornering can produce this same type of wear, but you would then expect one side to be worn more but in nearly all cases they are nearly even. It's like they need a tad more negative camber would be helpful. In article <1af539a3-a8a8-488f-83f2-8742fb8cae99@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, > Any one knows why Toyota engineers set up their vehicles for front > outer edge tyre wear. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > It's like they need a tad more negative camber would be helpful. Using the same alignment shop? > Any one knows why Toyota engineers set up their vehicles for front > outer edge tyre wear. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > It's like they need a tad more negative camber would be helpful. Yes yes and yes. Gives me the shites. I have a shim set here for my 'lux you would not believe. 4x4 'lux. The factory setup for .aus ain't. The outer edges on front will wear. Also you will notice the steering won't be straight ahead when the vehicle will be. The springs sag over time. > Any one knows why Toyota engineers set up their vehicles for front > outer edge tyre wear. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > It's like they need a tad more negative camber would be helpful. >It's like they need a tad more negative camber would be helpful. Which is exactly what any competent wheel alignment specialist will do! Neither is the problem confined to Toyota.  SignatureJohn H > >It's like they need a tad more negative camber would be helpful. > > Which is exactly what any competent wheel alignment specialist will > do! Neither is the problem confined to Toyota. Exactly. >> It's like they need a tad more negative camber would be helpful. > > Which is exactly what any competent wheel alignment specialist will > do! Neither is the problem confined to Toyota. A lot of the Korean cars have similar problems along with drive the wrong side camber setup >>> It's like they need a tad more negative camber would be helpful. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > A lot of the Korean cars have similar problems along with drive the > wrong side camber setup I don't think of it as a problem as almost every car will wear tyres unevenly if you don't rotate them regularly and Toyota's are no better or worse than any other car as far as tyre wear goes. IMO rotating tyres is just normal preventive maintenance. Daryl > I don't think of it as a problem as almost every car will wear tyres > unevenly if you don't rotate them regularly and Toyota's are no better or > worse than any other car as far as tyre wear goes. > IMO rotating tyres is just normal preventive maintenance. [Guffaw!] rotating tyres just hides setup problems and makes your tyres wear out faster! Sure; all 4(5?) tyres will end up f.cked at the same time (if that's your main aim) but I can't imagine any LOGICAL reason you'd want to accelerate the tyre wear by moving them and having them have to scrub in all-over-again like that!! -- Knob >> I don't think of it as a problem as almost every car will wear tyres >> unevenly if you don't rotate them regularly and Toyota's are no better or [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > the tyre wear by moving them and having them have to scrub in all-over-again > like that!! What utter crap, you have NFI about vehicle maintenance. Daryl >> [Guffaw!] rotating tyres just hides setup problems and makes your tyres >> wear out faster! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > What utter crap, you have NFI about vehicle maintenance. [chortle] Yep sure Daryl; just hide your setup problems and wear the tyres at a faster rate like a good little consuming dweeb; if you don't know what's going on it can't hurt you eh? SignatureKnob >>> [Guffaw!] rotating tyres just hides setup problems and makes your tyres >>> wear out faster! [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > at a faster rate like a good little consuming dweeb; if you don't know > what's going on it can't hurt you eh? I'm very well qualified to know whats going on and those qualifications have been posted here numerous times, whats qualifications do you have regarding vehicle maintenance? Daryl >>>> [Guffaw!] rotating tyres just hides setup problems and makes your >>>> tyres wear out faster! [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Daryl He is a fathead but does that count towards such requirements ? >> [chortle] Yep sure Daryl; just hide your setup problems and wear the >> tyres at a faster rate like a good little consuming dweeb; if you don't [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > have been posted here numerous times, whats qualifications do you have > regarding vehicle maintenance? That I don't fall for bullshit or people who believe bullshit just 'cause it tastes good when they're fed it, Daryl. Sure; ignore what you can easily see with your own eyes and believe your "qualifications" if you like. We need suckers to feed on. SignatureKnob >>> [chortle] Yep sure Daryl; just hide your setup problems and wear the >>> tyres at a faster rate like a good little consuming dweeb; if you don't [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > "qualifications" if you like. > We need suckers to feed on. So just as I thought you have no qualifications. Rotating tyres is recommended by tyre and vehicle manufactures to even out wear and to reduce cost to owners, its very obvious to anyone that does it that it works. Daryl > So just as I thought you have no qualifications. > Rotating tyres is recommended by tyre and vehicle manufactures to even out > wear and to reduce cost to owners, its very obvious to anyone that does it > that it works. [guffaw] Yes OF COURSE it makes all the tyres wear out early at the same rate Daryl; that's why they recommend it! Only an total idiot could possibly deduce that this REDUCE's an owner's costs though....... SignatureKnob (Thank god I don't have them imaginary moron-"qualifications" like Daryl does!) >> So just as I thought you have no qualifications. >> Rotating tyres is recommended by tyre and vehicle manufactures to even [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > (Thank god I don't have them imaginary moron-"qualifications" like Daryl > does!) I was wondering about this today Daryl and I assume you've got some diploma in wheel-rotation from Bob Jane or the Ponds Institute or something but I'm buggered if I can even IMAGINE what logic you're possibly using to decide that rotating tyres makes them last longer. Is it that you think that "wear in" is the opposite of "wear out" and that if you make tyres have to endure multiple wear-in periods they won't wear out or something? Is it a Ferris Bueller-type decision that rotating them FORWARDS takes the tread off so rotating them BACKWARDS will put tread back on? What on earth is your thinking? SignatureKnob (assuming you're actually THINKING) >>> So just as I thought you have no qualifications. >>> Rotating tyres is recommended by tyre and vehicle manufactures to even [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > What on earth is your thinking? I'm thinking you are a complete fuckwit who has about the same amount of knowledge of vehicle maintenance as David Z, in fact I'd bet he knows more than you and what he knows could be written in block letters on the back of a bus ticket. Daryl >> I was wondering about this today Daryl and I assume you've got some >> diploma in wheel-rotation from Bob Jane or the Ponds Institute or [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > than you and what he knows could be written in block letters on the back > of a bus ticket. [chortle] So no actual "thinking" then eh Daryl? Thought not. SignatureKnob (Hey everybody; lets all rotate our brakepads to make them last longer too!!) >I'm thinking you are a complete fuckwit who has about the same amount of >knowledge of vehicle maintenance as David Z, in fact I'd bet he knows >more than you and what he knows could be written in block letters on the >back of a bus ticket. > >Daryl Daryl, I can't see how rotating tyres can increase tyre life when tyre wear is even. My FWD cars wear front tyres much faster than rears but the wear is even across the tread. I just replace fronts twice before moving half worn rears to the front OzOne of the three twins I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace. >>> I don't think of it as a problem as almost every car will wear tyres >>> unevenly if you don't rotate them regularly and Toyota's are no [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Daryl You just noticed ? >>>> It's like they need a tad more negative camber would be helpful. >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Daryl I have never rotated tyres , personally usually never needed it and you learn lots about the mechanicals and then it doesn't mast problems Mate just recently hit 50k in a Sprinter which is in for the third alignment due to the thing being set up for eu.. : >>>> It's like they need a tad more negative camber would be helpful. : >>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] : Mate just recently hit 50k in a Sprinter which is in for the third : alignment due to the thing being set up for eu.. In my professional opinion a lot of outside tyre wear is due to roundabouts. What would I know only 30 years in the business... SignatureBrad Leyden 6° 43.5816' S 146° 59.3097' E WGS84 To mail spam is really hot but please reply to thread so all may benefit (or laugh at my mistakes) > : >>>> It's like they need a tad more negative camber would be helpful. > : >>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > In my professional opinion a lot of outside tyre wear is due to roundabouts. > What would I know only 30 years in the business... You understand the jocular meaning of assume ? It's like I've posted before. The Avalon had feathering and outside wear UNTIL: minimal -ve camber + 0 toe + directional, wider Bridgestone tyres. Rotate front to back (once only) to even out *overall* wear. No loss in handling, actually a gain because of the wider tread for go/stop/cornering/ride. SignatureTake Care. ~~ Feral Al ( @..@) (\- :-P -/) ((.>__oo__<.)) ^^^ % ^^^ >>>>> It's like they need a tad more negative camber would be helpful. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Mate just recently hit 50k in a Sprinter which is in for the third > alignment due to the thing being set up for eu.. The "setup for eu" could be a problem but lots of commercial vans wear out the outside edge of their tyres due to the very many U and tight turns they make, it was very common on all the vehicles I owned for courier work and most of my colleagues vehicles suffered the same problem. Daryl >>>>>> It's like they need a tad more negative camber would be helpful. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Daryl I have never experienced the problem even with the hyundia , but then it was modified to specs and not delivery from new .. > Any one knows why Toyota engineers set up their vehicles for front > outer edge tyre wear. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > It's like they need a tad more negative camber would be helpful. Naah; it's so they steer real nice (self-centre and not "vague"). It's more toe-in than camber though. SignatureKnob > Naah; it's so they steer real nice (self-centre and not "vague"). > It's more toe-in than camber though. > -- > Knob- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Not quite in the case of a Yaris FWD, it would need more toe out, however 75-80% of the tyre has the correct wear. Therefore camber..... issues. Caster angle gives you that self center effect. Toe in Toe out doesn't when centred. > Any one knows why Toyota engineers set up their vehicles for front > outer edge tyre wear. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > It's like they need a tad more negative camber would be helpful. I've not seen that on the 2 Toyota's I've owned, the 2001 Corolla's tyres wore out evenly and the same with the 03 Hilux I still own. My son's old Hilux doesn't have that problem either. Where have you seen that problem? Daryl >> Any one knows why Toyota engineers set up their vehicles for front >> outer edge tyre wear. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > My son's old Hilux doesn't have that problem either. > Where have you seen that problem? The solid axle Hiluxes and cruisers all suffered from it outer tyre wear that could be corrected with shims to change the camber Kev On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 22:27:18 +1000, Kev blathered on in :aus.cars >>> Any one knows why Toyota engineers set up their vehicles for front >>> outer edge tyre wear. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Kev Shims? Where? I've seen some bodgey swivel-pin races and dramatically under-sized bearings as an 'attempt' to get anything other than massive positive camber, but shims, nope:-) IIRC the only shims that are there to be played with are the ones that set up the pre-load on the swivel bearings. > On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 22:27:18 +1000, Kev blathered on in :aus.cars >>>> Any one knows why Toyota engineers set up their vehicles for front [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > IIRC the only shims that are there to be played with are the ones that set > up the pre-load on the swivel bearings. Sorry your right I meant an adjustable camber plate these are an after market item not sure who sells them now Kev >> On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 22:27:18 +1000, Kev blathered on in :aus.cars >>>>> Any one knows why Toyota engineers set up their vehicles for front [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Kev >>> Any one knows why Toyota engineers set up their vehicles for front >>> outer edge tyre wear. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > The solid axle Hiluxes and cruisers all suffered from it > outer tyre wear that could be corrected with shims to change the camber Maybe the BJ40 Cruiser I owned for a long time had already been shimmed because I don't recall any such tyre wear. Daryl >>>> Any one knows why Toyota engineers set up their vehicles for front >>>> outer edge tyre wear. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Daryl All my Hiluxen did it, this cruiser I have also did but I had the toe in adjusted to limit it, but it wanders a bit now Kev >> The solid axle Hiluxes and cruisers all suffered from it >> outer tyre wear that could be corrected with shims to change the camber > > Maybe the BJ40 Cruiser I owned for a long time had already been shimmed > because I don't recall any such tyre wear. A mechanic in Townsville showed me how a Land Rover had its build height set up for driving on the wrong side of the road. The right side. :-) Only after this was altered for OZ roads left side driving, would a front end alignment be successful. I expect this is bullshit too OzOne? Bloody mechanics must all be liars. :-P SignatureTake Care. ~~ Feral Al ( @..@) (\- :-P -/) ((.>__oo__<.)) ^^^ % ^^^ |
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