Yes, That is just the exact reason that no matter how good the dealers make
the ex "program" cars as they call them here look. They can be a risky
purchase. I dont understand why somebody would abuse a vehicle because it
is not theirs.
Scott
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Kev - 09 Mar 2008 17:29 GMT
> Yes, That is just the exact reason that no matter how good the dealers make
> the ex "program" cars as they call them here look. They can be a risky
> purchase. I dont understand why somebody would abuse a vehicle because it
> is not theirs.
> Scott
These are the same braindead fuckwits you see shoving shopping trolleys
towards cars in car parks
I saw two a few months ago push two out onto Waterworks Rd in Brisbane
on a down hill section, cars stopped but they still got hit
Kev
>> Great for story-telling though - regardless of the outcomes. :-)
> Do tell, we all love a good story.
One that was normally treated ok, but staffer got sick of the way company X
was treating him.
Got into the mood of where he wasn't going to use the clutch. Nothing wrong
with it, just he didn't want to use it. The dry changes were a bit crunchy,
but worked just fine. The stops were a little interesting though, slowing to
a stop shuddering was one, but crank starting without clutch was another.
Did this for several days straight.
Then (same car, another time) got into the rally-style mood, did some
mud-driving without the aircleaner to make it sound a louder. Spent the
entire day running around in water and mud.
Spent most of the next day cleaning mud out. Intended to do this same day
on the way home, but servos wouldn't give a hose because they didn't want that
much mud on their driveways. Got sick of that and continued with hose at his
place, left mud all over the driveway. Got sick of *that* and tried a
"carlovers" style carwash - left MORE mud. Did this mainly because there was
a company car service due next day.
They questioned where "all the mud" come from. Apparently, even when you
thing you've got it all, you don't really.
And that was the mild one.
Another company car crossing Marrickville Road (Sydney) bumped on the
terrain at speed, and took out the transmission. Claimed was parked with
wheel on the footpath that slipped and bottomed out.
Brake testing was always good fun, watching the front disks glow red through
the plastic hub cap covers. (which melted of course).
Removed the last bit of exhaust to make it go harder (or louder, or
something), but succeeded in only melting/cooking the carpet in the boot.
There's LOTS more, but suffice to say that he would have liked to use this
car as a 'show vehicle' to how hardy it was after this abuse - if it wasn't
for the incriminating evidence though.
This was of all cars, a Mitsubishi.
Then there was hire that had four very prominent flat spots (ABS faulty).
Not a problem though, because the day's racing at Wakefield Park evened the
out just nicely.
One car took a spin on the grass. Whooptidoo you say, except he tried later
to remove *that* excaust to "make it go faster". Succeeded only in melting
one side of the mounting point of the rear bumper, letting it hang loose. His
wife chucked a mental thinking he crashed it, he just hadn't realised it had
melted loose.
Couldn't find a way to re-attach it securely, so on return, parked up
against another car to hold it in place.
There were more hires on the track, just otherwise uneventful.
He did this for a while before realising if he was going to get more power,
he would have to build something himself. So he did. Put an illegal (well,
non-engineer-signed non-RTA authorised turbo anyway) on a Torana 202, went too
well, way overpowered for the car. But wanted more power. Abused that on the
track quite comprehensively before selling it.
Did I mention he put the race slicks of *this* Torana, onto his company
Mitusbishi (mentioned earlier) to race it on what nearly turned out to be a
wet day?
The tire place MUST have noticed the fleet car sticker on the rear window
when asked to swap tyres, but didn't say anything.

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Kev - 10 Mar 2008 07:01 GMT
Hmmm
so how would he have got on if he had crashed it badly at the race
track, imagine having to pay for a car you don't own to a company you
don't like
oh the same would be for the hire cars
what a goose
Kev
>>> Great for story-telling though - regardless of the outcomes. :-)
>
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> The tire place MUST have noticed the fleet car sticker on the rear
> window when asked to swap tyres, but didn't say anything.
John Tserkezis - 10 Mar 2008 07:46 GMT
> Hmmm
> so how would he have got on if he had crashed it badly at the race
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>
> what a goose
Then I give my standard 'frinsance:
There are risks associated with motor racing. Anyone who goes into motor
racing discounting those risks (as if they will never happen) is a dickhead.
Much like anyone who drives a car on the public roads, and discounts the
risks associated with that (as if they will never happen) is a dickhead.
And I'm not talking about your insurance company fixing a poofy bent panel.
On the track, there is by far a slimmer chance that you're going to have to
deal with some moron not using his blinker, nor some moron going through an
intersection, nor the unforeseen road obstacles that you might come across on
the public roads. You're either dealing with professionals, or, those who at
least know what they're up against and are of *at least* above average driving
ability.
I'm not saying motor racing is safer than the average road, statistically,
it's not. What you DO get however, is a by far greater appreciation of the
risks involved, by the average motor racer, rather than the average public
road driver. And *that*, you cannot dispute.
So, I *could* state the obvious and say that they were all (or
statistically, most of them) well aware of the risks, but that is all assumed
and goes without saying.
You break it, you pay for it. This goes for hire vehicles, or your own. It
makes no difference, you STILL end up paying for it.

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Kev - 10 Mar 2008 08:50 GMT
> You break it, you pay for it. This goes for hire vehicles, or your
> own. It makes no difference, you STILL end up paying for it.
I understand all that
but why would you risk crashing a company car by doing it
you'd be paying for it, you'd be out of a job and it would leave an even
more sour taste if like you say the company wasn't very fond of him either
why risk the financial trouble for someone who you don't even like
the same goes for hire cars
as for racing a car you own, well you know the risks, it's will still be
your car(you can sell or repair) and you most likely won't loose your
job if you crash your own car(unless you can no longer get to work)
Kev
John Tserkezis - 10 Mar 2008 09:37 GMT
>> You break it, you pay for it. This goes for hire vehicles, or your
>> own. It makes no difference, you STILL end up paying for it.
> I understand all that
> but why would you risk crashing a company car by doing it
> you'd be paying for it, you'd be out of a job and it would leave an even
> more sour taste if like you say the company wasn't very fond of him either
> why risk the financial trouble for someone who you don't even like
> the same goes for hire cars
Because your alternative is not racing at all. If you think it's 'in your
blood' you're going to do it one way or another.
> as for racing a car you own, well you know the risks, it's will still be
> your car(you can sell or repair) and you most likely won't loose your
> job if you crash your own car(unless you can no longer get to work)
And if you're on the way out anyway? Two of my good friends dragged out
employment (with the same company) for many more years than they needed to.
One of them ended up on anti-depressants, the other learned to bludge beyond
anything that could be considered not doing his job at all.
After several years of that, you really do stop caring - even about yourself.
Totalling a company car is sweet revenge within that frame of mind.

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Kev - 10 Mar 2008 13:18 GMT
> Because your alternative is not racing at all. If you think it's 'in
> your blood' you're going to do it one way or another.
No my alternative is NOT to use someone else's car and end up being
stuck paying for it but never owning it
By all means use you own
Kev