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Lu R - 23 Mar 2008 04:48 GMT
http://news.smh.com.au/subaru-shows-off-electric-car/20080323-212e.html

Not quite a Prius with 65kmh top speed.Nice try. :)
Jeßus - 23 Mar 2008 06:54 GMT
> http://news.smh.com.au/subaru-shows-off-electric-car/20080323-212e.html
>
> Not quite a Prius with 65kmh top speed.Nice try. :)

Buy a Tesla then :)

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Atheist Chaplain - 23 Mar 2008 07:25 GMT
> http://news.smh.com.au/subaru-shows-off-electric-car/20080323-212e.html
>
> Not quite a Prius with 65kmh top speed.Nice try. :)

so again how fast is your Prius on electric alone?
and what's its range on electric alone?
Bwahahahahahaha!!

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OzOne - 23 Mar 2008 07:56 GMT
>> http://news.smh.com.au/subaru-shows-off-electric-car/20080323-212e.html
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>and what's its range on electric alone?
>Bwahahahahahaha!!

Bwaaahahhahahahahahhaha!
It not designed to run on electric alone.....

Sorta like asking the range of your electric lawn mower!

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Lu R - 23 Mar 2008 15:33 GMT
>>> http://news.smh.com.au/subaru-shows-off-electric-car/20080323-212e.html
>>>
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>
> Sorta like asking the range of your electric lawn mower!

Thanx Ozone. At least I can cruise the freeways for hours if I need to in my
Prius BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAA...

> OzOne of the three twins
>
> I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace.
Atheist Chaplain - 23 Mar 2008 23:08 GMT
>>>> http://news.smh.com.au/subaru-shows-off-electric-car/20080323-212e.html
>>>>
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>>
>> I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace.

to the fuckwit goalpost shifter OzOne, why is Lu R comparing it to his Prius
in the first place then ??
Oh and I do have an electric lawn mower thanks :-)
and to the dumb f.ck Lu R why are you then comparing it to your Prius ??

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Just JT - 24 Mar 2008 00:11 GMT
> Thanx Ozone. At least I can cruise the freeways for hours if I need to in
> my Prius BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAA...
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My Hyundai Getz can cruise the freeways for hours but it only cost me a
third of what you paid for for your Prius. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAWWWRRR!!!

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Pete - 23 Mar 2008 12:30 GMT
> Not quite a Prius with 65kmh top speed.Nice try. :)

Work is 30km from home, and it takes me an hour.  So, my average speed
is half that :-)

Peter
Pit - 23 Mar 2008 17:30 GMT
> http://news.smh.com.au/subaru-shows-off-electric-car/20080323-212e.html
>
> Not quite a Prius with 65kmh top speed.Nice try. :)

Well its a start .

but if charging from the grid  and power bills go up -------
hmmmmmmmm ?

But as a run about  why the heck not ?
I just bought a Chinese wind turbine from Jaycar for under 500  and it
works a treat
Juts on the computers and odd kettle  ups charging off mains  pay back
is under 9 months

Thus a smart manufacturer  with buying power and economy of scale
would  incorporate extras such as solar panels and wind turbines
with the vehicle  as  say a smart saver  pack :)
Kwyjibo - 24 Mar 2008 00:29 GMT
> I just bought a Chinese wind turbine from Jaycar for under 500  and it
> works a treat
> Juts on the computers and odd kettle  ups charging off mains  pay back
> is under 9 months

Hey Pits - I've been looking at these too and I'm curious - Which one did
you get? The 24v (28v) or the 12v(16v) unit? Any comments on component
quality?
I guess you must be running it into a battery bank then through inverters
for the 240vac supply? If so, what spec batteries, how many and where from?

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Pits8 - 24 Mar 2008 02:29 GMT
> > I just bought a Chinese wind turbine from Jaycar for under 500  and it
> > works a treat
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> --
> Kwyj.

1 The (28) it COMES with an inverter !! (in fact I got two in the
delivery for some reason ) ?
Yes battery bank consisting of  large tractor / truck Batteries  (at
moment 10 of)
also been promised  from Uni a Plasmatronics PL40 Advanced Solar
Charge Controller with a 40A current rating.

But I wish to copy the uni Installation when time & $ allow

Ideal is a bankthat  has 8 EXIDE Energystore 6RP1080 flooded lead acid
batteries connected in series which produces a 48 Vdc battery bank
with a total rated capacity of 1080Ah at the C100 rate. The battery
bank was designed for 3 days storage (based on the summer load of
9.6kWh/day) and a 60% maximum depth of discharge. * But that is Huge
bucks over ten G's

Given we get some very high winds(with LOTS of dust ) :(  Watching all
the paddocks blow is no fun  would like a belt & braces approach and
now trying to scrounge
So a load dumper that cuts in when I am not here would be prudent
( or something of  the wind recorder that automatically turns on the
washing machine ) :)

If you require some assistance drop me a line off NG and can ask the
gurus down at Uni

Oh one thing you did not ask was what leads -------- Battery cabling -
uses 32 mm2 cable
Inverter cabling - uses 25 mm2 cable
The leads the thing came with  bit iffy I reckon .

The quality of the thing is SURPRISING !!   given the price

One concern is the pole is a bit short for tall people (like walking
into the prop )
So The guy who was on the Inventors this week is helping me with an
old windmill Or arm off a bent spray boom:)

Plan was to put it all up this weekend   But winds over 40 knots here
at the moment bugger that --
Given the price I reckon its damn good value .
By the way I mentioned the bloke that invented Puppy Linux  he has one
also  and loves it . Considering he is an ex tutor at Uni and an
electronics adjunct professor
and I have heaps of  help from 3 Uni's reckon I can get answers to any
questions you may have .
But my installation is rough as guts because watching the pennies as
always .
Car batteries should work just as well .

Oh one more thing if the batteries get too low I just will kick the
gen set in the guts using bio diesel of course.

Bloody western power here are playing ducks & drakes  about me putting
excess  back into the grid and getting a rebate . Bloody clowns .

Other project is for a solar powered steam turbine  ( 2 megs) he he
Raising capital for that  but it aint easy  Bonus is via the condenser
unit we should get decent desalinated water from the oodles  of saline
and hyper saline water we have here . In the middle of the worst
drought known to us  and yet the water table is rising and its all
salty .

Bottom line I reckon the Jay car Chinese gear is good bang for buck
and I spent a lot of time comparing . You should be safe  is my bet .

HTH
Toby Ponsenby - 24 Mar 2008 02:58 GMT
> In the middle of the worst
> drought known to us  and yet the water table is rising and its all salty
> .

Turdcard knows why:-)

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Andy - 24 Mar 2008 05:43 GMT
> > In the middle of the worst
> > drought known to us  and yet the water table is rising and its all salty
> > .
>
> Turdcard knows why:-)

LOL!  That fellow's been mighty quiet of late, hasn't he? :-)
Fran - 24 Mar 2008 23:41 GMT
> > In the middle of the worst
> > drought known to us  and yet the water table is rising and its all salty
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> --
> Toby

The western portion of Australia is, by and large, pretty arid. But
in
the SW corner, there's a modest portion where there was, at one time,
quite a bit of predictable winter rain. At some locations, over 100
cm
was common. This made the area agriculturally rich, with wheat and
wine being reliably produced there.

Before the area was settled by Europeans, the area had been covered
in
a spiny plant called 'kwongan' which turned the place into a huge
native garden every winter. The Europeans cleared the land of course,
and for about 149 years -- (1829-1975) reliable winter rains made the
area wealthy. But in 1976, rainfall started falling at an annual rate
of about 15%. According to the models, climate change accounts for
about 50% of this loss, as rainfall zones are pushed southward and
into the Great Southern Ocean. The other 50% is probably due to the
damage done to the ozone layer, which cooled the stratosphere and
hastened the circumpolar wind currents, pulling the rainbelt
southward
even more quickly.

Of course, the difference between a crop sucess and crop failure and
crop sucess is a few tens of millimteres of well timed rain. Take
wheat for example. In the 1960s, a million acres of kwongan was
cleared by bulldozers each year, leaving behind vast expanses of sand
-- which was utterly worthless as it stood, from an agricultural
point
of view. The farmes weren't troubled though. They put in the wheat,
sprinkled fertiliser liberally and waited for the unfailing winter
rains to come to their aid with water. After 1976 though, less and
less rain fell, and because they couldn't afford to add water, wheat
began moving west, replacing dairy farming. At some point, they will
run into the Indian Ocean ...

Of course, that's not the end of the problem. Most of the rain they
do
get is now erratic *summer* rain. Cropping and fertilising is an
expensive business, and unless you're sure of getting rain, you can't
afford to do it. Inevitably, the rain falls on bare fields where the
sandy soil allows the water to penetrate to the water table, where it
meets crystalline salt that has been accumulating there after blowing
in from the Indian Ocean for millions of years. Under each square
metre of land lies between 70 and 120 kg of salt. Pre-landclearing,
this wouldn't have mattered, because the kwongan and other vegetation
used pretty much every drop of water before it penetrated and the
slat
stayed crystalline.

But as the summer rains worked their way down, water more saline by
far than the ocean began rising killing everything in its path. The
creeks became undrinkable and many are now little more than salty
drains. The damage bill would be in the billions, if there were
anything that could feasibly be done about it. Sadly, we're still
scratching our heads on that one. And yet we must figure out what to
do, because the area of seriously saline land is increasing by about
a
hectare per hour.

Bad stuff ....

Fran
Feral Al - 25 Mar 2008 00:43 GMT
>>> In the middle of the worst
>>> drought known to us  and yet the water table is rising and its all salty
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>
> Fran

Yes it is very sad indeed. But David Z says you won't die if
you park near the entrances of shopping complexes and not in
the dark areas out the back.

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Noddy - 25 Mar 2008 01:20 GMT
> Yes it is very sad indeed. But David Z says you won't die if you park near
> the entrances of shopping complexes and not in the dark areas out the
> back.

Yeah, but David Z needs to be gassed.

You know, Hitler had the right idea really. He just went a little nah-nah
towards the end. If he'd toned it down a tad, he might have just got on okay
with everyone and we'd have legalised gassing of morons and other
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Toby Ponsenby - 24 Mar 2008 03:03 GMT
> Other project is for a solar powered steam turbine  ( 2 megs) he he
> Raising capital for that  but it aint easy

Umm - now there's an interesting idea.
Our Southern Cross gets enough wind to keep the water supply topped well.
Don't think we get the sustained 'velocity' to have reliable electric
power here.

But, the solar steam thing is defo possible.
Question is, why a turbine rather than a standard steam engine running a
gen?
Less losses of steam or somethin?

Where is the good info on micro steam generation gear, please?


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Pits8 - 24 Mar 2008 08:13 GMT
> > Other project is for a solar powered steam turbine  ( 2 megs) he he
> > Raising capital for that  but it aint easy
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> --
> Toby

Because it is  a tad commercial sensitive  and if you are in WA  drop
me a line off Ng
Toby Ponsenby - 24 Mar 2008 10:24 GMT
>> > Other project is for a solar powered steam turbine  ( 2 megs) he he
>> > Raising capital for that  but it aint easy
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> Because it is  a tad commercial sensitive  and if you are in WA  drop me
> a line off Ng

OK - not in WA, so when the stuff goes public, zap a Ng post  and I'll
get busy.

Round here we're watching the latest 'con' aka fire-sale of soon to be
superseded solar cells.
The electricity jerks are keen as hell to get the stuff up on roofs
before more efficient gear makes it to market - for obvious reasons not
excluding greed:-)

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Daryl Walford - 24 Mar 2008 11:54 GMT
>>>> Other project is for a solar powered steam turbine  ( 2 megs) he he
>>>> Raising capital for that  but it aint easy
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> Round here we're watching the latest 'con' aka fire-sale of soon to be
> superseded solar cells.

What brand are the panels are soon to be superseded?
We mostly install Kaneka brand and some Sun Power.
AFAIK Sun Power are the better panels but there is a better margin on
Kaneka.

Daryl
Toby Ponsenby - 24 Mar 2008 14:10 GMT
>>>>> Other project is for a solar powered steam turbine  ( 2 megs) he he
>>>>> Raising capital for that  but it aint easy
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>
> What brand are the panels are soon to be superseded?

All of 'em:-)

I think. But what the f.ck would I know:-).

>We mostly install
> Kaneka brand and some Sun Power. AFAIK Sun Power are the better panels
> but there is a better margin on Kaneka.
>
> Daryl

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Albm&ctd - 24 Mar 2008 12:40 GMT
> >> > Other project is for a solar powered steam turbine  ( 2 megs) he he
> >> > Raising capital for that  but it aint easy
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> before more efficient gear makes it to market - for obvious reasons not
> excluding greed:-)

Sliver.. or some other type?

Al
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Toby Ponsenby - 24 Mar 2008 14:09 GMT
>> >> > Other project is for a solar powered steam turbine  ( 2 megs) he
>> >> > he Raising capital for that  but it aint easy
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>
> Al

One is the Kaffir Kickers development of a metal film AFAIK being
produced in Chermany ATM. I suspect they're peltier effect jobbies and
will actually run the works and jerks in the average house including
water heating with an area about the size of the lounge up on the roof.
Is that the 'silver' one you're thinking of?
The other is a 60 odd% efficient type recently developed somewhere in
YankeeLand.

Heard there's some Australian wafer cell development that's on the go
too, but we'll have to wait for the patent to be bought by some other
bastard country before we see them in production, I guess..

Subscribe to an RSS feed on slashdot.com - there's a few submitters there
that don't miss much in the solar cell field. Yes, you can get RSS with
W95:-)

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Bernd Felsche - 24 Mar 2008 15:31 GMT
>>> Round here we're watching the latest 'con' aka fire-sale of soon to be
>>> superseded solar cells.
>>> The electricity jerks are keen as hell to get the stuff up on roofs
>>> before more efficient gear makes it to market - for obvious reasons not
>>> excluding greed:-)

>> Sliver.. or some other type?

>One is the Kaffir Kickers development of a metal film AFAIK being
>produced in Chermany ATM. I suspect they're peltier effect jobbies and
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>The other is a 60 odd% efficient type recently developed somewhere in
>YankeeLand.

Right next to the yard selling harbour bridges.

"Spectral content" is the magic phrase. Trying to extract more than
40% by photo-voltaics is probably going to cost more energy than can
ever be collected in the life of such a cell. 60% is, to put it
bluntly; bullshit. Photons aren't all that exciting.

Thermal cycles of high efficiency are also difficult. The energy
density of sunlight is low so a lot of concentration is required to
produce and sustain temperatures of sufficient quality for
generally-useful power generation. A recent announcement of a
solar-powered Stirling engine achieving about 25% efficiency should
be met with scepticism. Stirling engines don't produce a lot of
power for their size. Their efficiency drops when they are required
to produce more power.

>Heard there's some Australian wafer cell development that's on the go
>too, but we'll have to wait for the patent to be bought by some other
>bastard country before we see them in production, I guess..

The seller will be happier.

>Subscribe to an RSS feed on slashdot.com - there's a few submitters there
>that don't miss much in the solar cell field. Yes, you can get RSS with
>W95:-)

See a doctor if you do get it. It's cureable if caught early enough.
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Kwyjibo - 24 Mar 2008 08:20 GMT
>> Other project is for a solar powered steam turbine  ( 2 megs) he he
>> Raising capital for that  but it aint easy
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> gen?
> Less losses of steam or somethin?

My (uneducated) guess would be that a turbine would be a lot more efficient
than an old-school steam engine. Spinning a turbine would have to be easier
than accelerating and decelerating a great big piston over and over again.

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Toby Ponsenby - 24 Mar 2008 10:26 GMT
>>> Other project is for a solar powered steam turbine  ( 2 megs) he he
>>> Raising capital for that  but it aint easy
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> to be easier than accelerating and decelerating a great big piston over
> and over again.

Maybe Mr Tesla's turbine. Sort of kind of a surface effect device.
'Hobbists' apparently build the buggers from time to time.

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Albm&ctd - 24 Mar 2008 06:46 GMT
> http://news.smh.com.au/subaru-shows-off-electric-car/20080323-212e.html
>
> Not quite a Prius with 65kmh top speed.Nice try. :)

That's 15 km/h over our local streets speed limit!! Are they
only marketing them to hoons!! Keep these 15 k over killer vehicles out
of Australia to avoid road carnage on a scale not seen before. Oh the
humanity.

Al
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