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Often wondered just how safe some of these products and their discs are. For example, angle-grinders can be had for a fraction of the price 15 yrs ago, as are the cutting and grinding wheels. The drive speed of the output shaft is the same if not higher of the previous generation tools and abrasive discs can be bought for a loose change at discount barns eg Clints. Some of these are diamond-chip impregnated wheels! One clear improvement has been interlocking ON/OFF power-switches, instead of a simple toggle-switch. While their continues to be reports of powertool accidents, the investigation results have not pointed to any particular cheap Chinese tool that I have read,...so maybe paying $30 for a Chinese 2300W 6" grinder is a good investment? Jason If you shop at the local bunnings, you'll be hard pressed to find *ANYTHING* that isnt made in china. Quite disgusting really. > If you shop at the local bunnings, you'll be hard pressed to find *ANYTHING* > that isnt made in china. Quite disgusting really. Same for clothing shops, many shoes, toys, fair few tyres etc etc. Whitegoods have been holding up,..won't be long tho. Jason >> If you shop at the local bunnings, you'll be hard pressed to find > *ANYTHING* [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Jason Fischer and Parkyl (whatever spulling you like) is is are moving their operation to Thailand and ... Mexico, FFS. This, after having stiffed NZ by moving 'here'in the first place:-) I wonder who'really' controls that lot.  SignatureToby >>> If you shop at the local bunnings, you'll be hard pressed to find >> *ANYTHING* [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I wonder who'really' controls that lot. My understanding is he Aussie operations are being moved , the mother factory in Unzud will continue which is a comment about the oz workers . >>>> If you shop at the local bunnings, you'll be hard pressed to find >>> *ANYTHING* [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >My understanding is he Aussie operations are being moved , the mother >factory in Unzud will continue which is a comment about the oz workers . about the economics of aus workers vs third world .... Note that Thailand is second after Japan as the source of our imported cars ATM - ahead of Korea. >>>>> If you shop at the local bunnings, you'll be hard pressed to find >>>> *ANYTHING* [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Note that Thailand is second after Japan as the source of our imported cars ATM > - ahead of Korea. Or the performance of the au workers and them not wanting such trivial work >>>>>> If you shop at the local bunnings, you'll be hard pressed to find >>>>> *ANYTHING* [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> - ahead of Korea. >Or the performance of the au workers and them not wanting such trivial work when it costs the factory about one bowl of rice per machine, aussie workers aren't in the race (no pun intended). >>>>>>> If you shop at the local bunnings, you'll be hard pressed to find >>>>>> *ANYTHING* [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > when it costs the factory about one bowl of rice per machine, aussie workers > aren't in the race (no pun intended). turning up and working seems to have a lot to do with actually having the job . >>>>>>>> If you shop at the local bunnings, you'll be hard pressed to find >>>>>>> *ANYTHING* [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > turning up and working seems to have a lot to do with actually having > the job . I've spent lots of time in car manufacturing plants in Australia and it sounds like you haven't. Sure there are plenty of bludgers but they are by far outnumbered by good workers who can earn good money if they make the effort which very many do. People who just "turn up" won't last all that long especially at Toyota. Daryl >>>>>>>>> If you shop at the local bunnings, you'll be hard pressed to find >>>>>>>> *ANYTHING* [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Daryl When did Fisher and Pykel (spelling) start making cars ? >>>>>>>>>> If you shop at the local bunnings, you'll be hard pressed to find >>>>>>>>> *ANYTHING* [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >> Daryl > When did Fisher and Pykel (spelling) start making cars ? For some reason I did think you were talking about cars but the same applies in any manufacturing plant, I doubt the reason for the company deciding to move to Asia has anything to do with their workers attitude, increasing profits is undoubtedly the reason. Daryl >>>>>>>>>>> If you shop at the local bunnings, you'll be hard pressed to >>>>>>>>>>> find [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > Daryl Profits IS part of it BUT the workers is another including sky rocketing absenteeism atec77 wrote... > Profits IS part of it BUT the workers is another including sky rocketing > absenteeism What is the absentee rate within the industry that you're talking about? > If you shop at the local bunnings, you'll be hard pressed to find > *ANYTHING* > that isnt made in china. Quite disgusting really. What's disgusting about it? SignatureKwyj. >> If you shop at the local bunnings, you'll be hard pressed to find >> *ANYTHING* >> that isnt made in china. Quite disgusting really. > > What's disgusting about it? That cheap Chinese junk has replaced quality products. >>> If you shop at the local bunnings, you'll be hard pressed to find >>> *ANYTHING* [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > That cheap Chinese junk has replaced quality products. Oops, sent before I was finished. That doesn't mean that the cheap Chinese junk you get at Bunnings isn't perfectly adequate for most home renovators and those kind of products aimed at that market wouldn't be any better made here anyway. If you're not prepared to pay for quality, then you can expect to get what you pay for which in most cases represents reasonable value. >>>> If you shop at the local bunnings, you'll be hard pressed to find >>>> *ANYTHING* [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > perfectly adequate for most home renovators and those kind of products > aimed at that market wouldn't be any better made here anyway. Correct which, in my opinion, is far from 'disgusting'. I think it's a good thing that the average home handyman can get tools that are sufficient for their needs without having to spend thousands on dewalt or similar. SignatureKwyj. > Correct which, in my opinion, is far from 'disgusting'. I think it's a > good thing that the average home handyman can get tools that are > sufficient for their needs without having to spend thousands on dewalt > or similar. Yup I bought a el cheapo power drill set for around $30 from the reject shop. I just use it for jobs around the house and it works pretty well. SignatureRegards Dan >>>>> If you shop at the local bunnings, you'll be hard pressed to find >>>>> *ANYTHING* [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > thing that the average home handyman can get tools that are sufficient for > their needs without having to spend thousands on dewalt or similar. Some of the tools are fine for the handyman, but some of them have absolutely disgusting quality. I have a few cheapo china made tools bought at bunnings - my router is fine, but my power-planer will fall out of adjustment and start cutting deeper, and the worst is my jigsaw which has the guide out of alignment with the blade and when the base plate is in the position that should have the blade at 90deg it is actually about 5deg off, the baseplate doesn't tighten properly, and the screws that hold the blade have a habit of loosening themselves, and dropping the blade mid job. Doesn't go well for trying to make something with decent quality when you have these types of things to contend with. I've also found chinese handtools to be of generally poor quality - screwdrivers that I've twisted the shank off, "hss" (yea right) drill bits that are so soft they won't make it through 3mm of mild steel, drill bits with spanners that bend (when using them by hand, no pipe necessary), spanners that have the ring chew out (at least there's no risk of stripping the nut). Then there's the 1/2" bolts that you can shear the head off by hand, screws with a bunch of concentric circles instead of a spiral thread, nails without points, etc. yeah chinese stuff is cheap, but it's a bit of a luck of the draw as to whether you get a tool good enough to do the job at hand. >>>>>> If you shop at the local bunnings, you'll be hard pressed to find >>>>>> *ANYTHING* [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > yeah chinese stuff is cheap, but it's a bit of a luck of the draw as to > whether you get a tool good enough to do the job at hand. Please pause to consider that the stuff you're on about is made to a certain spec. the clopes are merely manufacturing to order in most cases. The turds getting in the container loads of shite and selling it *here* are your real problem. Check your *local* Yacht/Golf/Gentlemens etc club for the perps. SignatureToby Doug Jewell wrote... > spanners that have the ring chew out (at least there's no > risk of stripping the nut). When it comes to hand tools, partciularly spanners, sockets, etc. I won't pay for cheap sh.t. Years ago I bought what was regarded as a 'quality' brand 1/4 drive socket set for work on my motorbike. I tried to loosen a 10mm bolt in the head. The socket rounded the bolt. I ended up using a Sidchrome 10mm 1/2 drive socket on it. despite the roundedness of the bolt it managed to move it. I threw the socket set out. Back then Minimax was considered top quality. I don't know what the equivalent of either it or Sidchrome is today since neither are made here any longer. I've not needed to buy any replacement spanners for my tool set. And when I bought the Sidchrome set it had an "unconditional warranty" which meant that if I broke anything then it would be replaced, no questions asked. I wouldn't even know where to go if I wanted to replace a socket, for example. The store that I bought it from hasn't existed for twenty years and if the stuff isn't made here, is there any obligation on the new owner/manufacturer to honor the guarantee? > Doug Jewell wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > and if the stuff isn't made here, is there any obligation on the new > owner/manufacturer to honor the guarantee? Sidchrome are still one of the top brands. Their 1/2" drive ratchets can be used to thump wheel nuts with an extender the teeth are so strong . However, the king for wheel nuts (non-power variety) are the 15" long drives you can get now. Amazingly handy with virtually no extender required. Jason >> Doug Jewell wrote... >> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >the king for wheel nuts (non-power variety) are the 15" long drives you can >get now. Amazingly handy with virtually no extender required. My 1960's Sidchrome set included a 15" handle. Always use that for wheel nuts. > >> Doug Jewell wrote... > >> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > My 1960's Sidchrome set included a 15" handle. Always use that for wheel nuts. Would have cost a motsa in it's time. Jason >> >> Doug Jewell wrote... >> >> [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > >Would have cost a motsa in it's time. Yup, a veritable king's ransom - but with the lifetime warranty (which I've never needed to invoke) it was an investment I'll never regret - up there with (further O/T) the W&B torque wrench I bought around the same time. With hand tools, buy right and buy once. With (back more on-topic) power tools, cheap can often be the best. I recently neede a power plane, so bought an Ozito from Bunnings. Finished the job like a breeze, and I'm sure it'll never come back out of the box in my lifetime - so a good one wasn't warranted for that level of use. Mind you, my decades old Hitachi 110mm grinder and 1/2" 2_speed_ and_ reverse Bosch hammer drill will outlast me, and they both do a fair bit of work. >>>> If you shop at the local bunnings, you'll be hard pressed to find >>>> *ANYTHING* [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > perfectly adequate for most home renovators and those kind of products aimed > at that market wouldn't be any better made here anyway. Likely worse. > If you're not prepared to pay for quality, then you can expect to get what > you pay for which in most cases represents reasonable value. Exactly agree, you pay for what you get, if the application for what you need it is appropriate for - it doesn't need wasted $ on for something you don't need to rely on to make a living. That is why the ChinaCo/Bunnings think works so well. I've said before don't knock the cheap power tools (IE: XU1) I've had good luck with them. And for $15 to $18 can't be beat. Even if you destroy one for a one off job that you don't want to damage your brand name tool on. $15 isn't going to break the bank, likely could not hire a brand name tool for that. Klompmeester wrote... > If you're not prepared to pay for quality, then you can expect to get what > you pay for which in most cases represents reasonable value. The GMC products that I have had held up reasonably well. I have a hedge trimmer that's all loose. It resulted from my know-it-all mother in law trying to help her daughter/my wife cut down a tree and some vines. She was trying to use it as a chain saw, and has pretty well f.cked it. I have a battery drill that has f.cked batteries. I got onto GMC via its online warranty claim website. I asked about the batteries that wouldn't hold a charge for more than an hour or two and couldn't drive the drill, anyway. I was merely wanting to buy replacements. Lo and behold, a week later an entirely new, shrink wrapped drill kit turned up, complete with drill, two batteries, charger and all the drill and screwdriver bits that the other original kit has. When I went to Bunnings to get a new battery for it they told me to contact GMC as they didn't sell them. But as I needed a drill for some work I ended up buying a $99 Bosch 12v drill. So now I have 4 battery drills, (2 GMC 14.4v, 1 Bosch 12v and one Ryobi 12v). I might give the unopened GMC kit to my son in law or perhaps "on gift" it to someone. > I have a battery drill that has f.cked batteries. I got onto GMC via its > online warranty claim website. I asked about the batteries that wouldn't > hold a charge for more than an hour or two and couldn't drive the drill, > anyway. I was merely wanting to buy replacements. I've got a Ryobi battery drill that I was given (for xmas, I think) by my inlaws. The battery was f.cked fairly early in the unit's life, so I got to and made an adapter that is taped into the handle and has a pair of wires coming out. At the other end of those wires, I clip on a jump-start battery. It's no longer "cordless", but the batteries never go flat in the middle of a job. :-) Don't need an extension cord, either... SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. >>> If you shop at the local bunnings, you'll be hard pressed to find >>> *ANYTHING* >>> that isnt made in china. Quite disgusting really. >> What's disgusting about it? > > That cheap Chinese junk has replaced quality products. Depends as I've said before what the intended purpose is. If it is ad-hoc stuff and stays parked in the cupboard as most of this stuff does - do I care? I've bashed away at a concrete wall will a ChinaCo hammer drill worked. Good value for $18, even if it did f.ck up, which it didn't - still have it. I've worn the bearings in one stirring biodiesel for hours on end, could also be my fault for how I mounted it. Yeah if you use it day in day out as a tradesperson, you would be a bit more brand picky. Fact is not everyone needs to use power tools day in and day out, so yeah for the home user the things are a gift from god. Cheap arse screwdriver bits or screwdrivers - that needs thrown in the bin before it's even bought. >>> If you shop at the local bunnings, you'll be hard pressed to find >>> *ANYTHING* [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >That cheap Chinese junk has replaced quality products. Remember when "cheap junk" was Japanese? OzOne of the three twins I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace. ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** >>>> If you shop at the local bunnings, you'll be hard pressed to find >>>> *ANYTHING* [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Remember when "cheap junk" was Japanese? Yes but that was a very long time ago. I've got a 2 spd Hitachi drill that I bought in 1975 and it still works as well today as the day I bought it and its done a lot of work. Daryl >>> If you shop at the local bunnings, you'll be hard pressed to find >>> *ANYTHING* [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > That cheap Chinese junk has replaced quality products. Well in some cases it's not that bad, why should I buy a $400 Ramset drill to drill/chip concrete for home use when a $70 Cheapie does just as well. Other cases like angle grinders and probably pistol drills, you're right. Klompmeester wrote... > >> that isnt made in china. Quite disgusting really. > > > > What's disgusting about it? > That cheap Chinese junk has replaced quality products. Well, you can still buy quality products. You just have to pay for it, is all. It's just that people can now afford to buy more power tools, rather than borrowing from mates all the time. I'll have to admit that my shed is now full of GMC stuff, from mitre and hand power saws through to battery drills, angle grinder, leaf blower, hedge trimmer, electric chain saw and a rotary hammer drill. I do have a Makita electric drill, Ryobi table saw, Ryobi router, Bosch battery drill and a Ryobi battery drill that aren't made by GMC or made in China. I'm doing extensive rennos both inside and out, and these things have been worth their weight in yuan... Thing is, if China wasn't exporting super cheap crap to Oz, then I'd be forced to spend shitloads more on Makita or DeWalt products that are made offshore anyway. > If you shop at the local bunnings, you'll be hard pressed to find *ANYTHING* > that isnt made in china. Quite disgusting really. Everything these days is made in China. Bunnings are commited to low price which is why they are so sucessful. This in a way IMHO is possibly using the Chinese while giving Australia a usefull product and the Australians in Bunnings jobs. I'd personally rather live here than China. They seem happy with the arrangement though. It is quite amazing - a friend who is a CAD engineer designed up an aftercooler, sent the file to a ChinaCo and $120 later had a excelently made product delivered to his door. > Everything these days is made in China. Bunnings are commited to > low price which is why they are so sucessful. This I don't agree with. More like Bunning's are committed to saying they have low prices. You can usually get a similar product as any of their sale price products for a similar price anywhere and their stuff that is not on sale is usually a bloody rip off. SJ. >> Everything these days is made in China. Bunnings are commited to >> low price which is why they are so sucessful. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > price products for a similar price anywhere and their stuff that is not on > sale is usually a bloody rip off. Would not agree with that. Would agree with the fact they now have the might to do it, this is going to kill competitors - that is what happens. They can give you that 10% discount, other places may not be able to. >> Everything these days is made in China. Bunnings are commited to low >> price which is why they are so sucessful. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > SJ. Well, yes - Lower prices are just the beginning.. It's standard category-killer fare - natch, when they've shafted all the other hardware sellers, Lower Prices are just a memory. Duh. SignatureToby > If you shop at the local bunnings, you'll be hard pressed to find > *ANYTHING* that isnt made in china. Quite disgusting really. What? What did you expect open your eyes and have a look at many things that are manufactured that is made in China, Malaysia, Korea, etc etc. SignatureRegards Dan > Often wondered just how safe some of these products and their discs are. For > example, angle-grinders can be had for a fraction of the price 15 yrs ago, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > that I have read,...so maybe paying $30 for a Chinese 2300W 6" grinder is a > good investment? The most dangerous part of any power tool is the operator:-) I only have all my fingers due to the skill of the plastic surgeon that sewed then back on:-) I know lots of people who have had nasty accidents with power tools and in every case the accident has been their fault. Daryl >> Often wondered just how safe some of these products and their discs >> are. For [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > I only have all my fingers due to the skill of the plastic surgeon that > sewed then back on:-) Ewwww! > I know lots of people who have had nasty accidents with power tools and > in every case the accident has been their fault. Very true. I've damaged myself with a Stanley knife, zapped myself trying to weld in the rain (friends watching were ROFLOL). Not power tool incidents - I'm very paranoid about that, at the same time a bit paranoid on what I'm working on, there is a saying about it something "think first, cut last". When installing electric cable (or working around it) that is more than true. > Daryl > > Often wondered just how safe some of these products and their discs are. For > > example, angle-grinders can be had for a fraction of the price 15 yrs ago, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I only have all my fingers due to the skill of the plastic surgeon that > sewed then back on:-) sh.t!! Sounds like you had a real bad time. > I know lots of people who have had nasty accidents with power tools and > in every case the accident has been their fault. Yep,.. Jason >>> Often wondered just how safe some of these products and their discs are. > For [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > sh.t!! Sounds like you had a real bad time. Its so long ago (over 15yrs) that the memory of the pain is very faded:-) At the time it wasn't funny at all and what hurt the most was being self employed and being off work for 2 months. The good thing is I have 98% use and feel in the fingers and the scars aren't noticeable. >> I know lots of people who have had nasty accidents with power tools and >> in every case the accident has been their fault. > Yep,.. The son of a neighbour was an apprentice carpenter until he cut off his right thumb with a drop saw, the thumb was reattached and has healed quite well but the sad part is that he was a very promising cricketer who was playing at a very high level but he still has a lot of trouble holding a bat and it may take years to regain full use and to get his confidence back. Daryl > Often wondered just how safe some of these products and their discs are. For > example, angle-grinders can be had for a fraction of the price 15 yrs ago, They can be had for around $15 for the made in China ones - and yep, they are fairly powerfull and reliable - I've got one. > as are the cutting and grinding wheels. The drive speed of the output shaft > is the same if not higher of the previous generation tools and abrasive > discs can be bought for a loose change at discount barns eg Clints. Some of > these are diamond-chip impregnated wheels! Yep. > One clear improvement has been interlocking ON/OFF power-switches, instead > of a simple toggle-switch. Not sure how much difference that makes. > While their continues to be reports of powertool accidents, the > investigation results have not pointed to any particular cheap Chinese tool > that I have read,...so maybe paying $30 for a Chinese 2300W 6" grinder is a > good investment? Yes, it seriously is. The power tools I have are Chinese as I don't use them on a daily basis, but they work when I want them to, and I can assure you they can do a lot of damage to various body parts. I tend to be very carefull around them, so have not been bitten yet. I'm sure I could cut my hand of at wrist in no time flat using the angle grinder. > > Often wondered just how safe some of these products and their discs are. For > > example, angle-grinders can be had for a fraction of the price 15 yrs ago, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Not sure how much difference that makes. It means your fingers are within reach of the switch while operating the tool. The toggle was hidden underneath the base of the housing (Ryobi, I think or Hitachi) > > While their continues to be reports of powertool accidents, the > > investigation results have not pointed to any particular cheap Chinese tool [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I'm sure I could cut my hand of at wrist in no time flat using the > angle grinder. Their power has been increasing, Now the little angle-grinders can be got over 1kw. Jason >Often wondered just how safe some of these products and their discs are. For >example, angle-grinders can be had for a fraction of the price 15 yrs ago, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >that I have read,...so maybe paying $30 for a Chinese 2300W 6" grinder is a >good investment? IMOE the tools are good value-for-money. I still have a Hitachi 110mm angle grinder that is more than 15yo, and that has the "push-the-button-before-you slide-the switch" interlock. Yes, it saves the thing winding up as you carelessly pick it up. No, I haven't cut off any body parts with it (or any other power tool), but I must admit to drilling a hole in my right leg many years ago. (Visons of 3-legged dog, a result of chewing on a bone while lying down). The discs DO worry me. I still have a stockpile of old ones, bought cheap when a reputable hardware outfit closed down in pre-chinese era, and I am even cuatious with them. First exercise for the day is to let the beast rev out while I wiggle the thing vigorously, putiing at least some lateral gyro-effect forces on the disc. All done with the guard in line between me and the ballistic path, just in case. > >Often wondered just how safe some of these products and their discs are. For > >example, angle-grinders can be had for a fraction of the price 15 yrs ago, [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > forces on the disc. All done with the guard in line between me and the > ballistic path, just in case. Aye. Their cut-off machines do the job,..but are they noisy! Ear muffs are mandatory, and that goes for most of their angle grinders. I guess if a disc fragmented, proper eye protection should do the job. Jason Jason James wrote... > Aye. Their cut-off machines do the job,..but are they noisy! Ear muffs are > mandatory, and that goes for most of their angle grinders. I guess if a disc > fragmented, proper eye protection should do the job. Don't bet on it. I worked with a guy who lost an eye when a grinding disc flew apart on him. He had his safety specs on (prescription) as well as a face shield. While lots of workplace accidents can be put down to operator error or bad procedures, sometimes faulty equipment not of the user's doing can also be a cause of accidents. > Jason James wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > procedures, sometimes faulty equipment not of the user's doing can also be > a cause of accidents. Fair enough. The problem with angle grinders is mostly, you have your dial close to the job,..That poor guy must have had everything against him that day. The peripheral speed of the actual wheel's cutting edge must be quite high. The other thing that amazes me is the way quite expensive cone wire-wheels still shed wires. The tufted ones dont do this however IMHO. Jason > Aye. Their cut-off machines do the job,..but are they noisy! Ear muffs are > mandatory, and that goes for most of their angle grinders. I guess if a disc > fragmented, proper eye protection should do the job. Not bloody likely!! A friend of the family was very badly injured when a cut-off wheel shattered. It sliced his forearm and thigh to the bone. The bit that went through his forearm severed all the tendons to his hand. One piece went through the iron roof of the shed, and another put a significant dent into one of the I-beams on the wall. He had a long stay in hospital, and it was months before he could walk unaided and had proper use of his hand again. Eye-protection or not, if a bit hit his head he likely would have had a very short stay in hospital followed by a very long stay in the dirt. > Jason > > Aye. Their cut-off machines do the job,..but are they noisy! Ear muffs are > > mandatory, and that goes for most of their angle grinders. I guess if a disc [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > have had a very short stay in hospital followed by a very > long stay in the dirt. Fair-enough. I guess the peripheral speed of the edge would be substantial. Brutal accident. The cheap machines even have a fold-back guard on them now,..as far as that provides protection. Jason > Often wondered just how safe some of these products and their discs are. For > example, angle-grinders can be had for a fraction of the price 15 yrs ago, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Jason Simply put you pay for what you get , I have two large power drills , one huge Hitachi and a similar size gmc , the gmc has less power and torque new than the years old Hitachi , total cost of ownership per job on the gmc is higher due to failure and inability to do certain work The gmc craps out when doing 75mm concrete cores at a metre deep . So is this a home job that aint essentual ? > While their continues to be reports of powertool accidents, the > investigation results have not pointed to any particular cheap Chinese > tool > that I have read,...so maybe paying $30 for a Chinese 2300W 6" grinder is > a > good investment? I thought the "Chinese Power Tools" were those blokes in the blue tracksuits that escorted the Olympic torch. SignatureKnob >> While their continues to be reports of powertool accidents, the >> investigation results have not pointed to any particular cheap Chinese [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> > I thought the Nah you didn't again you mindless goose ( no wonder your fellow telephone workers dislike you so much) > >> While their continues to be reports of powertool accidents, the > >> investigation results have not pointed to any particular cheap Chinese [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Nah you didn't again you mindless goose > ( no wonder your fellow telephone workers dislike you so much) Is that why they held my send off in a telephone-booth? And why were they chasing me with a legof lamb and some viscous hungary dogs? My arse was tingling too! Jason >>>> While their continues to be reports of powertool accidents, the >>>> investigation results have not pointed to any particular cheap Chinese [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Jason I have no idea how to answer your "question" maybe you might ask however it is behind you on reacharound duty ? > >>>> While their continues to be reports of powertool accidents, the > >>>> investigation results have not pointed to any particular cheap Chinese [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I have no idea how to answer your "question" > maybe you might ask however it is behind you on reacharound duty ? Some how,..I like keeping my hands. Jason > >>>> While their continues to be reports of powertool accidents, the > >>>> investigation results have not pointed to any particular cheap Chinese [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I have no idea how to answer your "question" > maybe you might ask however it is behind you on reacharound duty ? It's that old joke. When someone was leaving/retiring. The question often asked was what will we do for his send-off? "lets jamb a legof lamb up his arse then set the dogs on him:-) Jason > > While their continues to be reports of powertool accidents, the > > investigation results have not pointed to any particular cheap Chinese [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I thought the "Chinese Power Tools" were those blokes in the blue tracksuits > that escorted the Olympic torch. LOL! Jason > Often wondered just how safe some of these products and their discs are. > For [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Jason Well a mate used to use them for a while till he worked out the trips in fre returns had cost him more in fuel than he paid for the original grinder, they're just sh*t. An angle grinder is the class of tool that works it's arse off 100% everytime it's used, unlike drills and other tools that may just be half working on small holes etc. I can't fault my $70 chinese impact drill, it does the job as good as any Hilti or Ramset, probably wouldn't do it everyday for long I guess, but will last me out years for home use. My Hitach grinder is near 10 years old now and is just starting to get a smell to it, time to replace soon, but at $100 I can't complain for the work it's done cutting pavers & steel. : > Often wondered just how safe some of these products and their discs are. : > For [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] : smell to it, time to replace soon, but at $100 I can't complain for the work : it's done cutting pavers & steel. Ive still got a $25 angle grinder from Supercheap thats done heaps of work, the bearings still okay and the motors just fine. In fact I am very surprised that its still working at all with the work that its done. Maybe I got a Wednesday one? > : > Often wondered just how safe some of these products and their discs > are. [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > Maybe I got a Wednesday one? So far I've bought a cheapy 9" angle grinder and gasless mig that have been fine. I wouldn't use the mig for anything really heavy duty, but for 2.4mm sheet it's fine. The only thing I've bought that was a disappointment was an air chisel. There's just net enough weight in it to do any real work. A cold chisel and a mallet work much better, but I only paid $17 for the air chisel so it's no great loss. SignatureKwyj. > > : > Often wondered just how safe some of these products and their discs > > are. [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > chisel and a mallet work much better, but I only paid $17 for the air chisel > so it's no great loss. I have bought an air impact driver and a ratchet-drive (both 1/2" drive). The impact driver is fine,..but the ratchet often jambs if the air delivery gets too low. Jason > : > Often wondered just how safe some of these products and their discs are. > : > For [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Maybe I got a Wednesday one? I think it depends on how well they are sealed, I used to have a Ryobi angle grinder that was a few years old but after using it to cut some pavers it lasted about half an hour before a bearing failed, the dust from the pavers killed it fast. Daryl > <at@peace.com> wrote in message : > news:48126b53$0$23368$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra.net... : > Often [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Maybe I got a Wednesday one? sh.t - it has "bearings" ? SignatureToby > > Often wondered just how safe some of these products and their discs are. > > For [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > returns had cost him more in fuel than he paid for the original grinder, > they're just sh*t. I guess he uses them most days. > An angle grinder is the class of tool that works it's arse off 100% > everytime it's used, unlike drills and other tools that may just be half > working on small holes etc. Early on when cheap power-tools were arriving in your local rip-off hardware store, plus starting to be sold at prices which were quite high, I bought a 500W variable speed drill with some lame name. As soon as I got it home and tried it, there was a *lot* of arcing around the commutator,..then its cooling fan departed company with the armature. Got my money back and bought a Ryobi which has given great service,..no variable speed trigger tho,..which I think is a must for some jobs. > I can't fault my $70 chinese impact drill, it does the job as good as any > Hilti or Ramset, probably wouldn't do it everyday for long I guess, but will > last me out years for home use. Yeah,..there seems to be a magic threshold where you do get reasonable longevity/service. > My Hitach grinder is near 10 years old now and is just starting to get a > smell to it, time to replace soon, but at $100 I can't complain for the work > it's done cutting pavers & steel. That's hard yakka for a grinder. Then again, you paid a little more>>quality. That's excellent. ATM, Supercheap have dropped their bench grinders from their list. Something to do with dicky power-switches. They seem to do somethings well,..then stuff it up eg I bought a cut-off machine, In the box they had even supplied a replacement set of brushes,..but then they fell down on accurate cutting. Often, if cutting to an angle, there is enough slop in the thing to go off angle. It was only around $100 tho. Jason Jason James wrote... > While their continues to be reports of powertool accidents, the > investigation results have not pointed to any particular cheap Chinese tool > that I have read,...so maybe paying $30 for a Chinese 2300W 6" grinder is a > good investment? We have had isssues with large angle grinders. And under Worksafe recommendations, local H&S investigations, etc. management has banned the use of large angle grinders, and has restricted use of 6" grinders to specific models with required safety features. > Jason James wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > use of large angle grinders, and has restricted use of 6" grinders to > specific models with required safety features. Well, the Chinese stuff has 180 deg wheel-guards and fast release powerswitches. Are there any other safety issues they can use? Jason Jason James wrote... > > We have had isssues with large angle grinders. And under Worksafe > > recommendations, local H&S investigations, etc. management has banned the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Well, the Chinese stuff has 180 deg wheel-guards and fast release > powerswitches. Are there any other safety issues they can use? Dunno. I'd have to go back through my work emails to find the emails in question. |
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