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Car Forum / Australian Car Forums / General Car Topics (Australian group) / May 2008

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How does a power meter work?

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GrassyNoel - 16 May 2008 09:40 GMT
IIRC the latest Bentleys have a meter that tells you how much power
you have in reserve, going from 100% to 0%. How does it work?
The Raven - 16 May 2008 10:07 GMT
> IIRC the latest Bentleys have a meter that tells you how much power
> you have in reserve, going from 100% to 0%. How does it work?

Probably nothing more than an ECUs calculated estimate based on some dyno
testing on the prototypes... It's probably not a real life measure.
the fonz - 16 May 2008 11:02 GMT
> IIRC the latest Bentleys have a meter that tells you how much power
> you have in reserve, going from 100% to 0%. How does it work?

mapped dyno figures taken at the factory, based on revs and throttle
position
John_H - 16 May 2008 11:38 GMT
>IIRC the latest Bentleys have a meter that tells you how much power
>you have in reserve, going from 100% to 0%. How does it work?

No idea about that particular system but it wouldn't be difficult to
calculate a reasonably accurate figure from the instantaneous fuel
consumption, which is easy to measure using readily available
technology.  My guess is that's how they'd do it.

Specific fuel consumption is specified as kW.hr/litre, obtained from
dynamometer measurements, and is relatively constant within an
engine's power band (ie between max torque rpm and maximum power rpm).
It's also a standard part of engine testing, even though the figures
aren't widely published (aircraft engines excepted).

Thus if you can measure an engine's instantaneous fuel consumption in
litre/hr you can readily convert it to a close estimate of
instantaneous power output, or as a percentage of maximum output.

Some heavy diesels are set up provide the instantaneous fuel
consumption figure when in service mode, and it's been that way for
yonks (fifteen years at least).  Their manufacturers could easily
provide it as a dashboard readout if it suited them... or else convert
it to percentage of power output.  I can't imagine why no one's chosen
to do just that long before now.

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Jason James - 20 May 2008 22:36 GMT
> >IIRC the latest Bentleys have a meter that tells you how much power
> >you have in reserve, going from 100% to 0%. How does it work?
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> it to percentage of power output.  I can't imagine why no one's chosen
> to do just that long before now.

In the first year of electronics training, we used to do field-training in
other fields within the department. I was lucky enough to get the
fire=tender engine overhaul unit. The 2 mechanics used to do a full reco of
the RR straight 8 petrol engines which powered the Thorney-Croft large
fire-tender,..14 tons full of water which was mixed with foammouta the
roof-mounted monitor. Apon completeion, they did consumption and power
measurements. Power was done by fitting the donk onto a bed then connected
to a huge alternator, which was connected to a series of heating elements
immersed in a huge water tank. You could connect and or disconnect elements
as needed. The donks exhaust manifold used to get a cherry glow when at
higher powers. All went well at low revs during the one I witnessed, then as
the throttle was opened the donk started running a little rough,..power was
down by about 20%. The mechy knew what was happening when he looked at the
inlet manifold vac-meter. It was jumping around. He opined that the valves
were sticking in their guides. He refitted the valves with more clearance in
their guides (another 2 days work), and the donk was sweeeet. I'll never
forget that fieldtraining. They also had one mechy who did all the carby
rebuilding in a closed off room to keep dust out. Then there was the little
Coventry-Climax for ancillary pump-work at aircraft accidents.     It was
DOHC,never got to see one running tho. Fuel consumption was charted on the
dyno, and it was here that the chief mechanical engineer could be a bit of a
PIA. He would not accept figures even slightly high, even by a smidgeon. The
normally quiet mechy who had to put up with the tut tutting of the engineer,
used to swear and mutter under his breath afterward.
I forget the size of the RR donk,..but it was big, maybe around 6 litres. No
fancy engineering, just a normal pushrod petrol motor.

Jason
Kev - 17 May 2008 16:28 GMT
> IIRC the latest Bentleys have a meter that tells you how much power
> you have in reserve, going from 100% to 0%. How does it work?

WOW what a great luxury feature

wonder how many Bentley owners would be annoyed to learn that Mack
trucks have had this for the last 10 years in their base models with the
CoPilot unit

Kev
Sylvia Else - 21 May 2008 02:09 GMT
> IIRC the latest Bentleys have a meter that tells you how much power
> you have in reserve, going from 100% to 0%. How does it work?

Can't answer the question, but how useful is such a device?

Sounds like a gimic to me.

Sylvia.
GrassyNoel - 21 May 2008 14:34 GMT
> Can't answer the question, but how useful is such a device?
>
> Sounds like a gimic to me.
>
> Sylvia.

It does.

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