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What caused the LPG buses in Brisbane to be taken off the road?

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Grumpy - 25 May 2008 09:31 GMT
Anyone have any further info on this after that couple of Brisbane buses
just "blew-up" recently? Might see some Hybrid buses around town soon.

LPG.not.the.way.to.go
Hybrids.are.though
Bullshit.you.all.crow
All.now.feeling.so.low

Regards

Grumpy
the_dawggie - 25 May 2008 10:08 GMT
> Anyone have any further info on this after that couple of Brisbane buses
> just "blew-up" recently? Might see some Hybrid buses around town soon.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Bullshit.you.all.crow
> All.now.feeling.so.low

No idea - there are natural gas bussen here with
"Air conditioned" badges. Would be interesting to
drive one, or even ride in one. I don't like bussen
or being near other people, so not sure.
Noddy - 25 May 2008 12:50 GMT
"the_dawggie" <the_dawggie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> No idea - there are natural gas bussen here with
> "Air conditioned" badges. Would be interesting to
> drive one, or even ride in one.

It would be about as interesting as riding in any other bus, as that's what
it'd be like.

They're conventional diesel busses converted to spark ignition and run
natural gas for fuel. Ford do the same with some of their trucks that run
daily deliveries between Broadmeadows and Geelong.

It's *way* cheaper than diesel, and doesn't fill the air with filthy black
smoke :)

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Noddy.
the_dawggie - 25 May 2008 12:54 GMT
> "the_dawggie" <the_dawg...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> It's *way* cheaper than diesel, and doesn't fill the air with filthy black
> smoke :)

Oh, I would not like it then? :-)
Toby - 25 May 2008 15:03 GMT
Noddy blathered on in Noddy:

> "the_dawggie" <the_dawggie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:dca31f27-0992-4663-9c40-
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> It's *way* cheaper than diesel, and doesn't fill the air with filthy black
> smoke :)



Believe it or not, the CNG buses are slower by a considerable margin.
That, from one of the unfortunates that drive them.
Someone is playing 'careful' with those machines, else the fuel
capacity is shite  and they're running them lean as hell.

Brisbane had a perfectly reasonable solution years ago, Electric buses.
But they were scrapped when the trams were scrapped. Very quiet very
fast very clean where they were running - the fumes etc being emitted
from the floundering and due for a very expensive refurbishment of
everything in it BCC DC power station at New Farm.

Can't help wondering.......

As for trams Vs Buses.
It's a cert that trams are superior in many respects, in particular
their inability to block traffic anywhere there are no rails. - noted
that properly designed 'safety zones' remove the sort of shite that
goes on in Melb with the everybody stop routine on the older
routes...Brisbane had heaps of tram routes that had proper separation
of peeps using trams from the other traffic:-)

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Noddy - 25 May 2008 15:22 GMT
> Believe it or not, the CNG buses are slower by a considerable margin.
> That, from one of the unfortunates that drive them.
> Someone is playing 'careful' with those machines, else the fuel
> capacity is shite  and they're running them lean as hell.

I certainly don't doubt they're slow, as most things that burn natural gas
are. However they're cheap to run, and about as cheap as you can get and
still turn wheels.

Ford announced some time ago that their tests of CNG use on their B doubles
and triples that regularly ply the daily route between Geelong and
Broadmeadows showed that while the performance of the vehicles dropped
somewhat it wasn't to a point that made it impracticable, but the running
costs improved very significantly.

I think from memory they were running one B triple and 2 doubles on CNG, but
as far as I know they may have now converted the wntire fleet.

> As for trams Vs Buses.
> It's a cert that trams are superior in many respects, in particular
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> routes...Brisbane had heaps of tram routes that had proper separation
> of peeps using trams from the other traffic:-)

Except that the safety zones are now being used as a convenient tool by the
anti-car Melbourne City Council as road blocks that continually grow in
size.

I don't go into town much (thankfully), but whenever I do safety zones seem
to be on some special diet that sees them blow out of all logical
proportion. It's now not at all uncommon to see them occupy an entire lane
of the road where cars *used* to move along happily, and for the sole
purpose it would seem to do little other than effect some f.cking bizarre
lexan structure to keep rain off the tram passengers that probably costs as
much as your average suburban house to build and put plenty of planter boxes
and advertising boards on the nicely paved section of the safety zone that
stretches back 100 meters behind where the tram actually stops and no one
waits for it.

Anything to make less of the road available to car drivers it would seem.

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Regards,
Noddy.
Athol - 26 May 2008 00:49 GMT
> Except that the safety zones are now being used as a convenient tool by the
> anti-car Melbourne City Council as road blocks that continually grow in
> size.

> I don't go into town much (thankfully), but whenever I do safety zones seem
> to be on some special diet that sees them blow out of all logical
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> stretches back 100 meters behind where the tram actually stops and no one
> waits for it.

> Anything to make less of the road available to car drivers it would seem.

It's funny you should mention that.

In Sydney, the state government forced similar deliberate constriction of
major cross-city roads when the cross-city tunnel (toll road) opened, for
the purpose of pushing the traffic into the tunnel...

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Noddy - 26 May 2008 01:21 GMT
> It's funny you should mention that.
>
> In Sydney, the state government forced similar deliberate constriction of
> major cross-city roads when the cross-city tunnel (toll road) opened, for
> the purpose of pushing the traffic into the tunnel...

They did the same thing here when Citylink was opened.

All of the side roads that would allow drivers to by-pass the tollways were
either closed to through traffic or limited in such a way that would make it
useless for drivers to try using an alternative route, forcing everyone into
the tunnels.

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Regards,
Noddy.
atec77 - 26 May 2008 01:25 GMT
>> Except that the safety zones are now being used as a convenient tool by the
>> anti-car Melbourne City Council as road blocks that continually grow in
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> major cross-city roads when the cross-city tunnel (toll road) opened, for
> the purpose of pushing the traffic into the tunnel...

that appears to be the idea from the anna up here in relation to the
billions of dollars being wasted on digging another tunnel and yet not
providing a direct bypass of the city in close proximity
Toby - 26 May 2008 09:13 GMT
atec77 blathered on in atec77:

>>> Except that the safety zones are now being used as a convenient tool by the
>>> anti-car Melbourne City Council as road blocks that continually grow in
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> billions of dollars being wasted on digging another tunnel and yet not
> providing a direct bypass of the city in close proximity

Yup - it just gets better and better...
The problem is of course and as always political.
We have basically three "road" authorities.
Federal GovCo, State GovCo andlocal GovCo.
Each is busy as hell trying to make the other's roads carry as much
traffic as possible.
We get local louts closing off roads for advantage taking arseholes who
buy humpies on heavily trafficed 'burb roads, do them up much after the
fashion of the car 'back-yarders' now almost legislated into oblivion,
bleat about traffic and have the roads closed off thereby increasing
the falue of their 'investment'.

then we get the State shitheads on the make for Federal funds for the
roads they control - an dbusy as hell ensuring traffic is diverted off
them as much as possible.
And the Federal freaks doling out the Taxation money for the bigger
projects, often on a buck for buck basis with the shitheads.

What this means of course if massive congestion at peaks, and fucken
no-where to go to get round the inevitable prangs.
Plus, and this is a big one, massive increases in cost for anyone
stupid enough to try to make a living delivering stuff to almost
anywhere.

But there's a new wheeze in town.
This involves the construction of stuff and the inevitable delays it
causes because the louts , shitheads and freaks block roads without so
much as a seconds thought for the users of those roads.
It's about 'ownership', 'control' and privilege.
Simple example.
We've now lost Albert Street, City completely as a through road, the
most recent lout/shithead scheme involved a LIE about closing off
Albert Street temporarily.
it always was a permanent closure, and has resulted in horrific
problems for traffic attempting to access the south central part of the
city since there's simply no reasonable access to that area from the
Southside.
Marvellous.
The imbeciles built a "mall" on the only city street that had a river
crossing bridge.
We have massive disruption due construction in the City - and we ALL
know that the louts, shitheads deliberately block off lanes and
sometimes whole streets during this process, all the while shrieking
about lack of open space in city planning.
Fucken amazing.
Naturally if a building construction used off street access, then that
space would indeed be open space after the construction ended. Duh...

Anyhow - I digress..
The various GovCo's are at it again. They're saying they won't funnel
traffic into the Toll Bridge/Tunnels being built. Asode from the fact
that that is a LIE - again, there are other ways to scam the public
into thinking massive toll road and bridge work is necessary.
Well, we've seen that this is already the subject of a scumbag
work-around.
The Trick is done with traffic light intervals, of course.
This can effectively create a traffic jam where none should occur.
And it's being done, right now to Brisbanes Grey Street Bridge traffic.
Effectively a traffic jam on a continuing basis has been built in Grey
Street, peel street, Countess Stret, and sundry other access rods by
the simple expedient of pissing about with light intervals creatively.
The only winners are the Coronation Drive travellers who specifically
want to go to South Brisbane and West end.

A little work on wereis.com.au will reveal all.
In fact it's quicker to use Coro Drive ,  the Grey St bridge and
Merivale Streets to get to Wooloongabba and points East and South  -
which actually proves the point of the lights boondoggle...

That's all..

For now:-)
RogerM - 26 May 2008 23:45 GMT
> atec77 blathered on in atec77:
>
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>
> For now:-)

LOL
FFAAARRRKKKKK!!!! Interesting reading Toby. I had 3 coffees.... :>)

Roger
Daryl Walford - 26 May 2008 02:47 GMT
>> Believe it or not, the CNG buses are slower by a considerable margin.
>> That, from one of the unfortunates that drive them.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> I think from memory they were running one B triple and 2 doubles on CNG, but
> as far as I know they may have now converted the wntire fleet.

AFAIK the Ford fleet that transports goods between Geelong and
Broadmeadows has been subcontracted out, the Louisville prime movers
(which must have done mega klms) have been replaced with new Ivecos and
the Ford sign writing has been removed from the trailers.

Daryl
Athol - 26 May 2008 03:57 GMT
> AFAIK the Ford fleet that transports goods between Geelong and
> Broadmeadows has been subcontracted out, the Louisville prime movers
> (which must have done mega klms) have been replaced with new Ivecos and
> the Ford sign writing has been removed from the trailers.

LOL.  So typical.

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Daryl Walford - 26 May 2008 06:06 GMT
>> AFAIK the Ford fleet that transports goods between Geelong and
>> Broadmeadows has been subcontracted out, the Louisville prime movers
>> (which must have done mega klms) have been replaced with new Ivecos and
>> the Ford sign writing has been removed from the trailers.
>
> LOL.  So typical.

It is but my guess is Ford did this because they no longer make heavy
trucks and didn't want to put their name on another brand of truck.
It could also be an effort to cut cost but I don't see how they would
save much by using subbies.

Daryl
Athol - 26 May 2008 06:46 GMT
>>> AFAIK the Ford fleet that transports goods between Geelong and
>>> Broadmeadows has been subcontracted out, the Louisville prime movers
>>> (which must have done mega klms) have been replaced with new Ivecos and
>>> the Ford sign writing has been removed from the trailers.

>> LOL.  So typical.

> It is but my guess is Ford did this because they no longer make heavy
> trucks and didn't want to put their name on another brand of truck.

That's been the case since the truck division was sold to Daimler
Chrysler and became Sterling.

Hmm.  I've got a feeling that, with the de-merger of Chrysler out
of DC, Sterling is staying with Daimler.

> It could also be an effort to cut cost but I don't see how they would
> save much by using subbies.

Screw down the price, of course.

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Noddy - 26 May 2008 08:45 GMT
> LOL.  So typical.

I remember when they first added 4 B doubles to their fleet the drivers were
excited about pulling the extra trailers for an additional 50 cents an hour
until they discovered that 11 of them would be getting the sack :)

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Noddy.
Noddy - 26 May 2008 08:44 GMT
> AFAIK the Ford fleet that transports goods between Geelong and
> Broadmeadows has been subcontracted out, the Louisville prime movers
> (which must have done mega klms) have been replaced with new Ivecos and
> the Ford sign writing has been removed from the trailers.

Fair enough.

I hadn't seen them in a while, and was wondering what happened to them.

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Noddy.
Daryl Walford - 26 May 2008 12:44 GMT
>> AFAIK the Ford fleet that transports goods between Geelong and
>> Broadmeadows has been subcontracted out, the Louisville prime movers
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> I hadn't seen them in a while, and was wondering what happened to them.

They now are plain white cab over prime movers with plain blue trailers.
I saw some of the old Ford trailers in a yard for sale not that long
ago, they must have done many millions of klms so most likely they are
well and truly f.cked which is probably one of the reasons they got rid
of them, it would of cost Ford millions to replace them all with new
gear which is as good enough reason to sub contract.

Daryl
Dan--. - 25 May 2008 15:08 GMT
> It's *way* cheaper than diesel, and doesn't fill the air with filthy
> black smoke :)

Hehe should of seen the smoke the ol denning bus pumped out when I
decoked the engine.

Now I have a blackboard in the back of the garage now. :-)

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Dan

mathewm@sNOSPAMdf.lonestar.org - 25 May 2008 15:19 GMT
> "the_dawggie" <the_dawggie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:dca31f27-0992-4663-9c40-
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> It would be about as interesting as riding in any other bus, as that's what
> it'd be like.

Yep. No different from a passenger's point of view.

There's quite a few in Canberra. Easily spotted by the f.cking huge,
ugly gas pod on the roof.
the fonz - 25 May 2008 10:11 GMT
> Anyone have any further info on this after that couple of Brisbane buses
> just "blew-up" recently? Might see some Hybrid buses around town soon.

it was a CNG bus and it went bang. they took all the others out of
service as a precaution.
Albm&ctd - 25 May 2008 12:48 GMT
In article <ef1a5b4c-43f0-4501-802f-
e6f1b56bb4c5@p25g2000pri.googlegroups.com>, arthur.fonzzarelli@gmail.com
says...
> > Anyone have any further info on this after that couple of Brisbane buses
> > just "blew-up" recently? Might see some Hybrid buses around town soon.
>
> it was a CNG bus and it went bang. they took all the others out of
> service as a precaution.

G..rumpy pumpy might not know the difference :-) It was widely reported
as CNG so I can't see how anyone could confuse it with LPG.

Al
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Athol - 25 May 2008 14:13 GMT
> it was a CNG bus and it went bang. they took all the others out of
> service as a precaution.

Correct.  CNG, not LPG.

Now that that has been cleared up, can people stop responding to the
new troll?  Thanks.

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Noddy - 25 May 2008 12:47 GMT
> Anyone have any further info on this after that couple of Brisbane buses
> just "blew-up" recently? Might see some Hybrid buses around town soon.

Yeah, might.

Might see you *not* being a f.cking dildo too, but I'm not holdingout much
hope on either count.

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RogerM - 26 May 2008 03:38 GMT
> Anyone have any further info on this after that couple of Brisbane buses
> just "blew-up" recently? Might see some Hybrid buses around town soon.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Grumpy

ROFLMAO...post of the week. Welcome to the world of "killfiles" mate. Dan
the fan will be first followed by his arselicker Noddy.

Roger
RogerM - 26 May 2008 03:41 GMT
> Anyone have any further info on this after that couple of Brisbane buses
> just "blew-up" recently? Might see some Hybrid buses around town soon.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Grumpy

I've fixed your post for you too Grumps as it wasn't LPG but CNG as was
widely reported in all media. There is quite a difference.

Roger
Lu R - 26 May 2008 16:26 GMT
> Anyone have any further info on this after that couple of Brisbane buses
> just "blew-up" recently? Might see some Hybrid buses around town soon.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Grumpy

LPG BLOWING UP??? Go tell Noballs...his POS is next to go POOF...LOLOL
Noddy - 26 May 2008 23:16 GMT
> LPG BLOWING UP??? Go tell Noballs...his POS is next to go POOF...LOLOL

Seems you have a thing about "blowing" and "poofs".

Is there anything you need to tell us? :)

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Noddy.
Albm&ctd - 27 May 2008 07:42 GMT
>> LPG BLOWING UP??? Go tell Noballs...his POS is next to go POOF...LOLOL
>
> Seems you have a thing about "blowing" and "poofs".
>
> Is there anything you need to tell us? :)

Sending with this box, puppy linux with a slackware pan tgz.
Seems to be working OK. Yes it is me Nod.
Actually very excited..yawn.
Be on the olde windows 95 box tonight prolabee, why.. because I can.
f.ck this font is a bit small, have to do sumfing about that.
Missus wants to go online now.. so best fark orf.

Al
RogerM - 26 May 2008 23:49 GMT
>> Anyone have any further info on this after that couple of Brisbane buses
>> just "blew-up" recently? Might see some Hybrid buses around town soon.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> LPG BLOWING UP??? Go tell Noballs...his POS is next to go POOF...LOLOL

Yeah, I would love to agree with you, but I've already explained to Grumpy
it was CNG, not LPG.

Roger
 
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