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Car Forum / Australian Car Forums / General Car Topics (Australian group) / May 2008Mincing words by the Press
(Not exactly HELD TOGETHER by Cable ties really now was it) _______________________________________________________________ The driver of a car held together by plastic cable ties has been charged after police caught him allegedly driving at 263kmh in southern NSW. About 7.50pm yesterday, police were conducting speed enforcement along a 110km/h area of the Hume Highway near Mittagong when they "clocked" the speeding white 1995 Nissan 200SX turbo. When they stopped the car they found its body kit was held on by cable ties, its dashboard was not secured, it had no back seats and its battery was held in place by a rag and a bracket, police said. The car's rear compartment was filled with tyres and highway patrol officers said there was a strong smell of fuel throughout its cabin. The driver, a 21-year-old man from Rouse Hill in Sydney, told police he had spent the day at a racetrack. He was issued with a defect notice - which prohibits the car from being driven until repairs are carried out - and charged with exceeding the speed limit. He was granted bail and is due to appear in Moss Vale Local Court on June 116 to face a speeding charge. Here's the first version that I saw, it's even sillier... POLICE who stopped a car for speeding were shocked to find that all that was holding it together was cable ties. Police said they detected the car doing 263km/h on the Hume Highway near Mittagong in NSW last night. When they stopped the 1995 Nissan 200SX turbo, they found its body was held on by cable ties, its dashboard was not secured, it had no back seats and its battery was held in place by a rag and a bracket. The back of the car was full of tyres and police could smell fuel inside the car. The driver, a 21-year-old man from Rouse Hill in Sydney, told police he had spent the day at a race track. He was banned from driving the car until it was fixed and was issued a speeding ticket. He will appear in Moss Vale Local Court on June 16 on the speeding charge. http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23740903-1242,00.html  Signaturea9x5l OzOne May 26, 2008 at 07:44 PM wrote: >On Mon, 26 May 2008 19:15:22 +1000, "Scotty" <scoter1@warnmail.com> wrote: >>(Not exactly HELD TOGETHER by Cable ties really now was it) >> >>_______________________________________________________________ >> >>The driver of a car held together by plastic cable ties has bee charged after police caught him >>allegedly driving at 263kmh in southern NSW. >> >>About 7.50pm yesterday, police were conducting speed enforcement alon a 110km/h area of the Hume >>Highway near Mittagong when they "clocked" the speeding white 199 Nissan 200SX turbo. >>When they stopped the car they found its body kit was held on by cable ties, its dashboard was not >>secured, it had no back seats and its battery was held in place by rag and a bracket, police said. >>The car's rear compartment was filled with tyres and highway patrol officers said there was a strong >>smell of fuel throughout its cabin. >> >>The driver, a 21-year-old man from Rouse Hill in Sydney, told police he had spent the day at a >>racetrack. >> >>He was issued with a defect notice - which prohibits the car from being driven until repairs are >>carried out - and charged with exceeding the speed limit. >> >>He was granted bail and is due to appear in Moss Vale Local Court o June 116 to face a speeding >>charge. >Well yeah it was..Take away the cable ties and the piece of rope >securing the steering column and it would have fallen apart. Sorta strikes me that if the cable ties were sitll holding the body kit o at 263 Km/H, they were doing a better job than some proprietary fastener that I've seen over the years! Cheers OzOne of the three twins I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace. - Message posted using http://www.talkaboutautos.com/group/aus.cars More information at http://www.talkaboutautos.com/faq.htm >>Well yeah it was..Take away the cable ties and the piece of rope >>securing the steering column and it would have fallen apart. > >Sorta strikes me that if the cable ties were sitll holding the body kit on >at 263 Km/H, they were doing a better job than some proprietary fasteners >that I've seen over the years! Cheers They may indeed have been..... OzOne of the three twins I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace. >>>Well yeah it was..Take away the cable ties and the piece of rope >>>securing the steering column and it would have fallen apart. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > They may indeed have been..... Agreed. Depending on the actual brand and size of ties used, they may actually exceed the tensile strength of many standard 'steel' fasteners. The materials used in quality ties is quite impressive. Easily demonstrated in an Uni engineering lab. > OzOne May 26, 2008 at 07:44 PM wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > at 263 Km/H, they were doing a better job than some proprietary fasteners > that I've seen over the years! Cheers Shh... don't confuse them with LOGIC! The 'cable tie' crap is probably related to some minor piece of frp or carbon fibre... frequently damage on the track occurs to the front spoiler, and one guess how a quick fix is effected - duct tape and/or cable ties. >(Not exactly HELD TOGETHER by Cable ties really now was it) > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >He was granted bail and is due to appear in Moss Vale Local Court on June 116 to face a speeding >charge. Well yeah it was..Take away the cable ties and the piece of rope securing the steering column and it would have fallen apart. OzOne of the three twins I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace. I remember reading this one and thinking "the battery was held in by a bracket"; yes.. so...? (and what the fukk has the back seats got to do with anything?!!?) SignatureKnob > (Not exactly HELD TOGETHER by Cable ties really now was it) > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > 116 to face a speeding > charge. >I remember reading this one and thinking "the battery was held in by a >bracket"; yes.. so...? > (and what the fukk has the back seats got to do with anything?!!?) It's argued two ways: 1. Invalidates the ADRs with respect to the vehicle having a back seat, which would require an engineers certificate or similar. (Technicality at best). 2. The tonnes petrol/exhaust fumes emitted by the presumably ADR compliant engine will choke the driver to death without them noticing. (Possible but, no worse than many 'legal' vans on the road today). The main issue here, besides the speeding, is the presumably unsecured load in the back of the car. They've already commented the battery was held with a bracket....which is the usual way of securing a battery. The bodykit vs cable ties is easily argued from an engineering perspective. > (Not exactly HELD TOGETHER by Cable ties really now was it) > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > When they stopped the car they found its body kit was held on by cable > ties, As already mentioned they may be better than the normal fasteners, which usually mount to what? More plastic!!!! > its dashboard was not > secured, Can't comment beyond I had some engineer complain about the same thing on my car. Just because it wiggled a bit. Tightening the fasteners would have cracked the plastic 'dash' pieces. That's exactly how it came from the factory. > it had no back seats Which in all reality isn't such a problem provided there is no-one in the rear of the car. >and its battery was held in place by a rag and a bracket, police said. You mean he stuffed a rag down next to the factory battery bracket? Geez, how dangerous. > The car's rear compartment was filled with tyres Secured or unsecured? If unsecured then I can see the issue but it's not much worse than what some families cram into the back of the car when heading off for a long weekend. >and highway patrol officers said there was a strong > smell of fuel throughout its cabin. Which isn't hard to imagine from a car that was at doing 263Kph WOT. > The driver, a 21-year-old man from Rouse Hill in Sydney, told police he > had spent the day at a > racetrack. Which means the car passed scrutineering......a safety inspection in iteself (albeit not an 'official' inspection). > He was issued with a defect notice - which prohibits the car from being > driven until repairs are > carried out - and charged with exceeding the speed limit. Reasonable given the reported circumstances. > He was granted bail and is due to appear in Moss Vale Local Court on June > 116 to face a speeding > charge. June 116? Hmmm, expect he'll not have to worry if that is the official date.... BTW this just proves the speed kills argument is a red herring. If the safety warnings etc are to be believed, this speed should have caused the car to vaporise killing everyone for miles. Sure, he's an idiot but the story is merely playing into the speed kills argument. I bet no attempt was made to verify a single fact handed to the media by the police. > "Scotty" <scoter1@warnmail.com> wrote in message >> The driver of a car held together by plastic cable ties has been charged >> after police caught him >> allegedly driving at 263kmh in southern NSW. Yawn. >> About 7.50pm yesterday, police were conducting speed enforcement along a >> 110km/h area of the Hume >> Highway near Mittagong when they "clocked" the speeding white 1995 Nissan >> 200SX turbo. Idiot. Got caught by the standard LIDAR operation on the top of the hill just before the big dip on the Mittagong bypass AFAIK. It's a very well known spot. The cop parks across the median crossover pointing the LIDAR out the front passenger window. Right hand curve, so can get the reading just before you can see the front of his car... It's certainly not a time of day that I'd consider doing that speed, and I'd slow down for the known enforcement locations anyway... >> When they stopped the car they found its body kit was held on by cable >> ties, > As already mentioned they may be better than the normal fasteners, which > usually mount to what? More plastic!!!! But not legal if there are "sharp" edges protruding. Note that the body of a cable tie would qualify as sharp for ADR purposes... >> its dashboard was not >> secured, > Can't comment beyond I had some engineer complain about the same thing on my > car. Just because it wiggled a bit. Tightening the fasteners would have > cracked the plastic 'dash' pieces. That's exactly how it came from the > factory. If it was OEM, wouldn't care. If it was just sitting there, I'd be telling him to refit the bolts. Unless the steering column or the pedal frame was insecure, the dash top isn't really that critical... >> it had no back seats > Which in all reality isn't such a problem provided there is no-one in the > rear of the car. In reality, an engineering certificate can make it completely legal. >>and its battery was held in place by a rag and a bracket, police said. > You mean he stuffed a rag down next to the factory battery bracket? Geez, > how dangerous. Depends whether they've moved the battery, or whether the rag was being used as a stressed member in securing the battery... >> The car's rear compartment was filled with tyres > Secured or unsecured? If unsecured then I can see the issue but it's not > much worse than what some families cram into the back of the car when > heading off for a long weekend. It's a car. No legal requirement for the manufacturer to provide load securing points let alone actually having to secure the load... He could have had the seat in and folded down and had the spare wheels on top and still been legal... >>and highway patrol officers said there was a strong >> smell of fuel throughout its cabin. > Which isn't hard to imagine from a car that was at doing 263Kph WOT. Or if there have been modifications to the fuel system. >> The driver, a 21-year-old man from Rouse Hill in Sydney, told police he >> had spent the day at a >> racetrack. > Which means the car passed scrutineering......a safety inspection in > iteself (albeit not an 'official' inspection). Better than RTA in some areas, worse in others. >> He was issued with a defect notice - which prohibits the car from being >> driven until repairs are >> carried out - and charged with exceeding the speed limit. > Reasonable given the reported circumstances. Well, he would have had an on-the-spot license suspension, so a red sticker isn't necessarily going to make any difference. All up, this could be a massive beat-up of a handful of trivial issues, a major safety problem or anywhere in between but we can't tell without a proper inspection of the vehicle. > BTW this just proves the speed kills argument is a red herring. If the > safety warnings etc are to be believed, this speed should have caused the > car to vaporise killing everyone for miles. Of course. > Sure, he's an idiot but the story is merely playing into the speed kills > argument. I bet no attempt was made to verify a single fact handed to the > media by the police. Why would they? Plausible deniability could be damaged and they might have to print something more truthful. SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. > The car's rear compartment was filled with tyres and highway patrol officers said there was a strong > smell of fuel throughout its cabin. The fuel smell is probably exhaust. The car had the rear seats out, and if the boot lid is not sealing well,.the lack of back-seats will make the ingress of ex-smell into the cabin worse. 160 mph is pretty fast. Dont like his chances in front of the beak. Jason > (Not exactly HELD TOGETHER by Cable ties really now was it) > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > He was granted bail and is due to appear in Moss Vale Local Court on June 116 to face a speeding > charge. I don't think the press is capable of accuracy, they're all a bunch of arselickers. Apart from that... I thought my 220KM/H on the Midland Hwy was pushing it a little last Sunday, but 260kmh on the HUME is really asking for it :) ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** >> (Not exactly HELD TOGETHER by Cable ties really now was it) >> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > I don't think the press is capable of accuracy, they're all a bunch of > arselickers. The media reporters creed is: "Never let the truth get in the way of a good story" > Apart from that... I thought my 220KM/H on the Midland Hwy was pushing it > a little last Sunday, but 260kmh on the HUME is really asking for it :) > ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** > Apart from that... I thought my 220KM/H on the Midland Hwy was pushing > it a little last Sunday, but 260kmh on the HUME is really asking for it :) I've only ever done 190 on the Hume, but that was in a Camira so I deserve a bit of danger money :) > I've only ever done 190 on the Hume, but that was in a Camira so I > deserve a bit of danger money :) You deserve a medal on getting a Camira-n-fix it to go that fast. Let alone doing it without breaking down. :-) SignatureRegards Dan > You deserve a medal on getting a Camira-n-fix it to go that fast. > Let alone doing it without breaking down. :-) It was a rental - they always go faster! >> You deserve a medal on getting a Camira-n-fix it to go that fast. Let >> alone doing it without breaking down. :-) > > It was a rental - they always go faster! Yeah they seem to be very well run in. :-) SignatureRegards Dan > I don't think the press is capable of accuracy, they're all a bunch of > arselickers. Oh, they're capable. Just that they're capability is limited to telling you what *they* want you to know. Truth and journalism is fantasy concept that died many, many years ago. -- Regards, Noddy. > Oh, they're capable. Just that they're capability is limited to telling you > what *they* want you to know. > Truth and journalism is fantasy concept that died many, many years ago. Ain't that the truth! Global warming hype is proof of that. There are even regulars here who apparently believe that garbage. SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. > Ain't that the truth! Global warming hype is proof of that. There are > even regulars here who apparently believe that garbage. Well, considering that there are some regulars who think hybrid cars are a good idea I'm not really surprised by that :) -- Regards, Noddy. >> Oh, they're capable. Just that they're capability is limited to telling >> you what *they* want you to know. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Ain't that the truth! Global warming hype is proof of that. There are > even regulars here who apparently believe that garbage. Its funny how some people are consumed on scaremongering other people about the global warming and the end of the world. OK it might be the end of the world but f.ck it what people are going to do hide under their beds all their lives or actually live it up before the Almighty bang!. Doomsday Sayer's and dreary people make other people feel like sh.t. Scaremongering is a big hit these days. Its DOOMSDAY STAY AT HOME!!!!! Dont get out of bed because your all f.cked! Next day A normal typical day begins and ends as usual. :-) SignatureRegards Dan > >> Oh, they're capable. Just that they're capability is limited to telling > >> you what *they* want you to know. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > A normal typical day begins and ends as usual. It's (disturbingly) analogous to the various fruit loops (well they are case closed for falling prey to any religious dogma, but I digress) who have made a 'breakthrough' and determined when the 'end times' are and when the rapture would happen. And when it doesn't do they conclude it's horseshit? Nope, they just got the date wrong. It's no wonder some people said Jesus wasn't the Messiah - for f.cks sake - they _knew_ it since they made up the story that there ever would be a messiah - there was no legitimate prophecy to fulfil. SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@earthlink.com abuse@aol.com vice.president@whitehouse.gov president@whitehouse.gov sweep.day@accc.gov.au uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback abuse@iprimus.com.au $LOGIN@localhost world's #1 sardine whisperer root@mailloop.com $USER@$HOST $LOGNAME@localhost -h1024@localhost abuse@msn.com abuse@federalpolice.gov.au fraudinfo@psinet.com abuse@asio.gov.au $USER@localhost abuse@sprint.com abuse@fbi.gov abuse@cia.gov >> A normal typical day begins and ends as usual. > > It's (disturbingly) analogous to the various fruit loops (well they are > case closed for falling prey to any religious dogma, but I digress) who > have made a 'breakthrough' and determined when the 'end times' are and > when the rapture would happen. Yup. > And when it doesn't do they conclude it's horseshit? Nope, they just got > the date wrong. LOL its more the joke is on them really. :-) > It's no wonder some people said Jesus wasn't the Messiah - for f.cks > sake - they _knew_ it since they made up the story that there ever would > be a messiah - there was no legitimate prophecy to fulfil. Amen! SignatureRegards Dan : OK it might be the end of the world but f.ck it what people are going to : do hide under their beds all their lives or actually live it up before : the Almighty bang!. Doomsday Sayer's and dreary people make other people : feel like sh.t. Scaremongering is a big hit these days. : : Its DOOMSDAY STAY AT HOME!!!!! Hmmm, at what point do you start to beleive it all? One of the guys at work pointed me towards a few sites that beleive that " December 21 2012 THE END " is where it all ends. I thought that Id take a look out of curiousity and boy O boy! are there a few people that beleive this or WHAT!??!?!?!!? Well, after playing around for a while I can see why theres cause for concern, hell even the Dawgie would take meds to get this idea from his head. Take a google at it and tell me that at some point on your site travels that the idea doesnt past throught your head as plausible. I dont take it as Gospel but its food for thought. Noddy wrote... > Oh, they're capable. Just that they're capability is limited to telling you > what *they* want you to know. Sometimes. But often they'll be pressed to get it to press first, so whatever story sounds the best gets the nod. Plus they like to get "eye witness" accounts of events, even though the so called eye witness may not have a clue as to what actually occured. > Sometimes. But often they'll be pressed to get it to press first, so > whatever > story sounds the best gets the nod. 99 times out of 100 they'll go with whatever slant they want the story to have. All they need to do is satisfy their legal department with regards to names, places and dates, and the rest is up to their own poetic licence. > Plus they like to get "eye witness" accounts of events, even though the so > called eye witness may not have a clue as to what actually occured. They're often "invented" people who were not even at the scene :) -- Regards, Noddy. > (Not exactly HELD TOGETHER by Cable ties really now was it) > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > He was granted bail and is due to appear in Moss Vale Local Court on June 116 to face a speeding > charge. I don't think the press is capable of accuracy, they're all a bunch of arselickers. Apart from that... I thought my 220KM/H on the Midland Hwy was pushing it a little last Sunday, but 260kmh on the HUME is really asking for it :) > (Not exactly HELD TOGETHER by Cable ties really now was it) > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > He was granted bail and is due to appear in Moss Vale Local Court on June 116 to face a speeding > charge. I've been waiting for a post to pop up that kinda relates to my current pet gripe! Whatever happened to using the words increase and decrease (or cut)? These have been junked by the press it seems.......examples; "The Commonwealth Bank has HIKED interest rates" (a line from a story about a 0.1% increase in it's lending rate); or "The abolishing of GST on top of the excise rate will result in petrol prices being SLASHED by 4c a litre!". FFS, 4c!!! [end gripe] ;-)) >> (Not exactly HELD TOGETHER by Cable ties really now was it) >> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > by 4c a litre!". FFS, 4c!!! > [end gripe] ;-)) It's like a disease... First one slimy journo uses it - therefore so do the rest. The precedent is set and there's no going back as far as they're concerned. They think it grabs the attention of the reader/viewer better. I mean, what more can you expect when even the U.S prez uses terms such as "evil-doers"? > >> (Not exactly HELD TOGETHER by Cable ties really now was it) > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > The precedent is set and there's no going back as far as they're > concerned. They think it grabs the attention of the reader/viewer better. Awesome quote on 'The Gruen Transfer' the other night, relating to the advertising industry - "You can't polish a turd, but you *can* roll it in glitter" ;-p > I mean, what more can you expect when even the U.S prez uses terms such > as "evil-doers"? >>>> (Not exactly HELD TOGETHER by Cable ties really now was it) >>>> _______________________________________________________________ [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >> I mean, what more can you expect when even the U.S prez uses terms such >> as "evil-doers"? The only thing really wrong with that show apart from being on the abc is willy being an utter fuckstick Awesome quote on 'The Gruen Transfer' the other night, relating to the advertising industry - "You can't polish a turd, but you *can* roll it in glitter" ;-p ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Yep; good one! That show was unexpectedly quite good. A bit clunky in places and a few of the "dirty jokes" were a bit awkward but on the whole very promising! SignatureKnob |
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