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What vehicles do you own and good and bad points?

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RogerM - 23 Jul 2008 07:25 GMT
I've already spilled my guts on this so over to you and please be unbiased
and honest. Thought it might help to make a change in here.

Roger
the_dawggie - 23 Jul 2008 07:51 GMT
> I've already spilled my guts on this so over to you and please be unbiased
> and honest. Thought it might help to make a change in here.

'lux 4x4. Everything is perfect after owning it over 16 years.

Ok, things I hate ...

Brakes, although the pads last just about forever.

Clock position. Can't see it from driver's seat - blocked by steering
wheel,
earlier model I had didn't have that problem. This is important when
trying
to get somewhere on time. They obviously made a LHD decision on that.

Timing belt - should be scissor and gear.

Front birfield joints - should be better sealed.

Pickup type bed - stupid to provide galvannealled and painted. Should
be
spray on bed liner instead of simply paint over the galvannealing.

Bodywork is a bit thinner than I'd like.

Hmmm, good points ...

Cup holders are right infront of A/C vents - that works.

Vehicle size - it is as large as it can be to fit into places
such as apartment building garages, make it on narrow offroad
trails. I guess it is the maximum size you could get away with
in 99% of any condition. Go larger to a Dodge/Ford full size - that
is too large and would not fit in a lot of places.

Does not rust.

Turbo diesel engine - can make my own fuel.

Provides everything I need from load space to 4x4 to ordinary
urban driving.

In summary - I guess it's one of the most usefull things I've bought
in my life.
Noddy - 23 Jul 2008 08:58 GMT
> Brakes, although the pads last just about forever.

Maybe if you weren't such a tight-arse and paid some c.nt to fix them
properly they'd be okay.

> Does not rust.

It's made of metal. I assure you it *will* rust.

--
Regards,
Noddy.
the_dawggie - 23 Jul 2008 09:43 GMT
> > Brakes, although the pads last just about forever.
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> It's made of metal. I assure you it *will* rust.

Well yes it will if you grind the galvaneeling off it. It has not done
so as yet and has been in salt water and was built in Dec 1990.

I'm sure it eventually will start to, not done so yet.
John McKenzie - 23 Jul 2008 12:24 GMT
> > Brakes, although the pads last just about forever.
>
> Maybe if you weren't such a tight-arse and paid some c.nt to fix them
> properly they'd be okay.

maybe they last so long because with air in the lines or a stuffed m/cyl
they never really get applied hard at all or for any length of time.

> > Does not rust.
>
> It's made of metal. I assure you it *will* rust.

That's about as retarded as saying there's heaps of fuel at Coote
Island, one day it might go up in flames. Hangon a second.

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Daryl Walford - 24 Jul 2008 10:48 GMT
>>> Brakes, although the pads last just about forever.
>> Maybe if you weren't such a tight-arse and paid some c.nt to fix them
>> properly they'd be okay.
>
> maybe they last so long because with air in the lines or a stuffed m/cyl
> they never really get applied hard at all or for any length of time.

Nope, the brakes on my Hilux work very well and so far the pads have
lasted 132,00klms and they still have at least 20,000klm left on them.

Daryl
Jason James - 23 Jul 2008 22:50 GMT
On Jul 23, 4:25 pm, "RogerM" <rog...@justrucks.com.au> wrote:

Ok, things I hate ...

Brakes, although the pads last just about forever.

In 2 cars I've had (Valiant, Ford V8) the brakes slowly went off,..requiring
harder pedal-pressure as time went on. In both cases it was the PCV valve
leaking, robbing the brake booster of vacuum. Try cleaning it in a solvent.
Make sure it doesn't leak when you test it. One way is clear, the other way
is closed off. When they get real bad, the engine will start to drop a lung
at idle. The cyl effected will be closest to the vacuum tree or vac access
point. Try checking for paint missing under the master-cylinder. If so, reco
time.

Jason
the_dawggie - 25 Jul 2008 07:30 GMT
> > I've already spilled my guts on this so over to you and please be unbiased
> > and honest. Thought it might help to make a change in here.
>
> 'lux 4x4. Everything is perfect after owning it over 16 years.

I'll also add my Yami TT250 dirt bike.

Not so good.

Good:

It's a dirt bike, handles very well, goes over jumps well.

Bad:

It has a petrol sh.tter engine that is a little too fragile.
You get that wanting light weight though.
Noddy - 23 Jul 2008 08:45 GMT
> I've already spilled my guts on this so over to you and please be unbiased
> and honest. Thought it might help to make a change in here.

I currently own three and a half. 1998 Jeep Cherokee Sport, 2006 Ford
Territory Ghia and a 2005 Rodeo LX crew cab ute. Oh, and the half is my 1966
XP Futura coupe, but as it's only half a car at the moment it's not really
worth talking about :)

The Cherokee was sold to my neighbour's girlfriend last night, and while
I'll still own it for a few days I'll really be sorry to see it go as it's
been one of the most reliable and dependable cars I've ever owned. Easy to
work on, solid (if somewhat antiquated) mechanicals and body, great economy,
absolutely outstanding towing ability, light weight, decent performance and
just a great all round family vehicle. It's down sides aren't much other
than the fact that it doesn't have a split fold rear seat which is a pain if
you have a baby seat fitted, and some of the controls are arsed about being
an American car.

Aside from that it's been a *brilliant* vehicle and I'll miss it a lot.

The Terry and Rodeo I've only had for a week, but I'm reasonably familiar
with them both.

The Terry is an '06 SY model Ghia in Silver (or "Lightning Strike" as Ford
prefers to call it) with the Barra 190 engine, six speed auto and all wheel
drive. On the plus side these things drive *remarkably* well for a 2+ tonne
vehicle with a reasonably high centre of gravity. Performance is
exceptionally good, ride quality is decent, seats are nice and the auto and
brakes are excellent. Interior layout is fantastic and the amount of storage
space with the second & third row seats folded down is around the same as a
panel van. Little "nik-naks" like the electronically controlled rear view
mirror and adjustable pedals are neat, and the reversing camera is a
brilliant idea that should be part of the standard kit on every car.

On the down side, Ford build quality and attention to detail is f.cking 
*terrible*, and they have a *hell* of a long way to go before they can
consider themselves the equal of the Japanese or Europeans.

Interior plastics quality is pretty shitful, although not nearly as bad as
the BA/BF Falcon, suspension creaks and knocks are standard fare, fuel
economy is appalling at around 17l/100km, and the door seals on both front
doors fall down off their seam when you open the windows. The window
switches aren't illuminated which makes fumbling for them in the dark a
pain, the "premium" sound system sounds like it came from the Reject shop
and the plastic handle that needs to be pulled to fold down the third row
seat has already snapped off in my hand.

The rear hatch is a split operation deal where you press one button to open
the glass and another to open the whole door, and while it works pretty well
there could have been a little more thought put into the lifting handle. The
same one is used for both (in the centre of the door just above the number
plate) and while that makes opening the glass easy it makes opening the door
a lot more difficult as you're lifting the weight from the middle rather
than lower down.

It also has a problem where the hinges holding the glass are pretty weak,
allowing the gas struts to push the glass out of alignment and rub on the
paint of the door frame. It's a common fault with Territory's, and the
adjustment procedure is an absolute pain as the hinge fasteners live
*inside* the doorframe itself.

Another standard fault on every Terry I've ever seen is rust under the rear
door seal in the lower centre of the lip. The bodies are apparently held in
a jig at this point on the assembly line and there's about a 2 inch long
section of the lower rear door seal lip that doesn't get painted when the
car gets sprayed, and this raw metal area rusts remarkably quickly. Mine's
already rusted in this area, and a brand new Terry SR had rust on it on the
dealer's showroom floor when I looked last week. It's a common problem, and
Ford are doing nothing to rectify it other than approving warranty repairs
in record numbers.

Admittedly this wasn't a new car when I bought it, but it's only done
56,000km, and for a vehicle that cost a tad over 60 grand on the road when
it was new the fit & finish is pretty average. They really are an
outstanding family vehicle that are let down terribly by piss poor quality
issues. Still, in having said all of that they remain one of the best 7 seat
wagons on the market today, and they absolutely *sh.t* all over any people
mover you'd care to name. If you can put up with/tend to yourself all the
little niggly quality issues they're an excellent family car.

As for the Rodeo there's not much to say other than it's a Japanese ute.

I've been in the market for a crew cab ute for a while, and looked at
Tritons, Hiluxes, Bravo's and Navara's as well as Rodeo's and of the lot the
Navara was the pick if you could find a decent one at a reasonable price.
Trouble is you often can't :) As for the rest you could throw a blanket over
the lot as they're much of a muchness apart from the Hilux. The Hilux is a
rough riding, over priced piece of garbage in my opinion, and they have been
for quite a while. The Triton, Bravo and Rodeo all sh.t all over it, and the
Navara is so far ahead of it it's not funny.

Anyway I ended up with a Rodeo purely because one came up in good nick at a
decent price. It's a 2005 RA series 3.5 litre petrol V6 with a 4 speed auto,
61000km's on the dial and it performs pretty well. Ride quality is firm but
comfortable, it's suspension is *whisper* quiet and more so than the
Territory Ghia ( mean there is not a bump, knock, squeak or rattle to be
heard in this thing anywhere whereas the Terry sounds like a brick in a
metal garbage can rolling down a hill on corrugations), seats are
comfortable if a little unsupportive, interior cabin space is large, rear
seat access is better than the Cherokee and the seat itself is decent enough
to do a long trip on.

The mechanical package is fine and the engine and auto work well. It's not
the most powerful V6 jap ute around but it's certainly not the slowest
either (that honour *easily* belongs to the Hilux). It has decent steering,
excellent brakes, a good heater & air conditioner, plenty of cargo space in
the ute tub, and it's height is *perfect* for me being just at the right
height to open the door and slide my arse onto the seat.

It's cons seem to be few other than it being a base model work ute it comes
with virtually nothing other than air conditioning, keyless entry and a
cheap arsed CD player. Rubber floor mat and manually operated everything
else :) Haven't had it long enough to tell what fuel economy is like yet,
but considering the mileage I'm planning on doing in it anyway it's not
likely to be a big concern. The only thing I really don't like about it is
the noise the engine fan makes when cold, as it's incredibly *loud* , and
enough to make an XF Falcon seem like a stealth fighter )

It has a standard ute tub and lockable canopy fitted to it at the moment
which I plan to arsehole soon and build a custom tray that will suit my
particular needs, but it seems to be a good all round work vehicle that
hopefully will cause me very few problems.

--
Regards,
Noddy.
Dan--- - 23 Jul 2008 09:33 GMT
Ok a short summery not a long essay like Nods. :)

04 VY2 Calais V8:

Pro's

V8 engine.;)
Interior space.
Comfortable seats.
Nice looking interior with shale leather seats.
Great car for long trips.
Fuel economy is pretty good on long trips.
It looks good.
A/C and heater work really well
Its pretty well equipped with eleccy stuff.
And its been a reliable car to me with very few problems with it.
It handles and stops pretty well for a barge.

Con's.
Paint work it isn't that flash but keep it polished it still looks good.
Some cheap interior bits like fold out cup holders (Saab designed) are
very flimsy and the passenger side cup holder broke.
Stereo is ok but the speakers are rubbish (but having a V8 engine it does
not bother me at all).
Too easy for me getting a speeding ticket (but so far I have got none but
the mrs got 2). :-)

Can't think of any more its been a great car.

Rodeo 3.6L V6 LX single cab chassis 4x4.

Pro's:

It has real 4x4 (2 speed transfer)
Its basic but tough.
A great towing capacity.
It goes pretty well for a V6.
Its been reliable.
Has a ballsy sounding exhaust note.
It has very good brakes.
Its very good on the off road scene.
A/C and heater are very good.
Its a no bullshit ute really.

Con's:.
Seats are average.
The stock radio/cd was shithouse.
Its not pretty.
I hated the stock steel wheels (replaced by sunraysia rims).
Its a tad on the thirsty side.

Thats about it for the Rodeo.

I would do one for the Territory but I can't be bothered now.
When it has more k's on it I will do a quick report if anyone gives a
sh.t. :-)

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Dan

the_dawggie - 23 Jul 2008 09:34 GMT
{snip}

You really have some bizzare ideas about vehicles.

Terry I'm running for the hills from what you describe - I wouldn't
touch it with a ten foot pole.

You sorta made the right choice on the pickup truck, however
I'd take a 1995 'lux any day even if it did need a turbo and
live axle front conversion.
Noddy - 23 Jul 2008 11:49 GMT
On Jul 23, 5:45 pm, "Noddy" <m...@home.com> wrote:

> You really have some bizzare ideas about vehicles.

That's pretty funny coming from a guy who had to put a turbo on his Hilux
ute so it would have performance to almost match a HR Holden :)

> Terry I'm running for the hills from what you describe - I wouldn't
> touch it with a ten foot pole.

Of course you wouldn't. They (thankfully) don't do one with a stinky in it.

> You sorta made the right choice on the pickup truck, however
> I'd take a 1995 'lux any day even if it did need a turbo and
> live axle front conversion.

f.ck....

And you think *I* have bizarre ideas :)

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Regards,
Noddy.
Daryl Walford - 23 Jul 2008 09:55 GMT
> It has a standard ute tub and lockable canopy fitted to it at the moment
> which I plan to arsehole soon and build a custom tray that will suit my
> particular needs, but it seems to be a good all round work vehicle that
> hopefully will cause me very few problems.

Don't run your V6 low on oil and give it a thrashing, the Commodore
Alloytech V6 sitting on the floor on my local engine re conditioners
with a huge hole in the block from a rod that let go isn't pretty:-)

Daryl
Dan--- - 23 Jul 2008 10:23 GMT
> Don't run your V6 low on oil and give it a thrashing, the Commodore
> Alloytech V6 sitting on the floor on my local engine re conditioners
> with a huge hole in the block from a rod that let go isn't pretty:-)

Anyone who runs any 4 stroke engine with low oil for a long period of
time or thrash it deserves to have their knackers in a jar. :-)

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Dan

Daryl Walford - 23 Jul 2008 12:05 GMT
>> Don't run your V6 low on oil and give it a thrashing, the Commodore
>> Alloytech V6 sitting on the floor on my local engine re conditioners
>> with a huge hole in the block from a rod that let go isn't pretty:-)
>
> Anyone who runs any 4 stroke engine with low oil for a long period of
> time or thrash it deserves to have their knackers in a jar. :-)

I hate to think how much it cost the idiot who ran it low on oil for a
new engine.
Until he got that engine the engine reco bloke hadn't touched an
Alloytech but in the same week the local Holden dealer dropped off 2 cyl
heads to be surfaced, apparently they are a very difficult head to surface.

Daryl
Dan--- - 24 Jul 2008 01:43 GMT
> I hate to think how much it cost the idiot who ran it low on oil for a
> new engine.

Hope it was a bloody fortune so he has learnt his lesson. ;-).
Oh well at least there is still people out there that does their own
fluids level checks. Unfortunately some think that new cars are basically
maintenance free and neglect to check vital things such as oil, brake etc
etc juices.

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Daryl Walford - 24 Jul 2008 11:05 GMT
>> I hate to think how much it cost the idiot who ran it low on oil for a
>> new engine.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> maintenance free and neglect to check vital things such as oil, brake etc
> etc juices.

One of my sisters refuses to check under the bonnet of her car between
services despite being told many times that she should either do it
herself or get it done at least every couple of weeks.

Daryl
Dan--- - 25 Jul 2008 01:25 GMT
> One of my sisters refuses to check under the bonnet of her car between
> services despite being told many times that she should either do it
> herself or get it done at least every couple of weeks.

Got to feel sorry for the car then. I got my mrs to do regular checks not
sure if she does it accurately but the cars are still working. :-).

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Noddy - 23 Jul 2008 11:52 GMT
> Don't run your V6 low on oil and give it a thrashing, the Commodore
> Alloytech V6 sitting on the floor on my local engine re conditioners with
> a huge hole in the block from a rod that let go isn't pretty:-)

It's not a 3.6 Alloytec, but the previous 3.5 Isuzu engine. Another reason
why I chose this particular vehicle :)

Still, not that I expect it would make much difference either way. There's
not too many engines I know of that will go for any great distance with the
pickup sucking air.

Oh, there's that world championship winning car of OZ's, but then he's
speshul :)

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Regards,
Noddy.
Daryl Walford - 23 Jul 2008 12:11 GMT
>> Don't run your V6 low on oil and give it a thrashing, the Commodore
>> Alloytech V6 sitting on the floor on my local engine re conditioners with
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> not too many engines I know of that will go for any great distance with the
> pickup sucking air.

True, it tends to f.ck them rather quickly:-)

Daryl
Dan--- - 24 Jul 2008 02:02 GMT
> It's not a 3.6 Alloytec, but the previous 3.5 Isuzu engine. Another
> reason why I chose this particular vehicle :)

Keep an eye on the oil level with the Isuzu engine some tend to like to
drink it than use it. :-(.

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Dan

OzOne - 24 Jul 2008 02:21 GMT
>> It's not a 3.6 Alloytec, but the previous 3.5 Isuzu engine. Another
>> reason why I chose this particular vehicle :)
>
>Keep an eye on the oil level with the Isuzu engine some tend to like to
>drink it than use it. :-(.

They also sludge badly which gradually chokes the oil screen and
destroys the engine.

OzOne of the three twins

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Noddy - 24 Jul 2008 04:38 GMT
> They also sludge badly which gradually chokes the oil screen and
> destroys the engine.

What engine was that again Oz? :)

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Noddy.
OzOne - 24 Jul 2008 05:07 GMT
>> They also sludge badly which gradually chokes the oil screen and
>> destroys the engine.
>
>What engine was that again Oz? :)

The Isuzu V6....

OzOne of the three twins

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Noddy - 24 Jul 2008 09:14 GMT
> The Isuzu V6....

Oh, I see.

Which one in particular was that? :)

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Noddy.
Dan--- - 24 Jul 2008 09:25 GMT
>> The Isuzu V6....
>
> Oh, I see.
>
> Which one in particular was that? :)

I think both 3.2 and 3.5 V6 but I said some and majority of the
problematic ones were in the US. Just like the Toyota V6 sludging.

Just keep an eye on it still.

Although the timing belt looks like a nightmare to replace as on any
typical V engine. :-).

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OzOne - 24 Jul 2008 12:24 GMT
>> The Isuzu V6....
>
>Oh, I see.
>
>Which one in particular was that? :)

That would be the one fitted to Rodeos...

OzOne of the three twins

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Noddy - 24 Jul 2008 13:03 GMT
> That would be the one fitted to Rodeos...

Ah, I see.

So, in other words Oz, You don't *know* the engine, have no experience with
it but can tell me all of it's problems, right?

Thanks for playing Oz. You're as predictable as a Jehovah's Witness when
whipping the missus off to the bedroom for a quick one.

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Regards,
Noddy.
OzOne - 24 Jul 2008 13:17 GMT
>> That would be the one fitted to Rodeos...
>
>Ah, I see.
>
>So, in other words Oz, You don't *know* the engine, have no experience with
>it but can tell me all of it's problems, right?

Wrong again Nod......Seems you're making a habit of this.

BTW did you see your lapdogs comment
"On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:14:33 +1000, Noddy PCM code reading says:

> <OzOne> wrote in message
> news:opvf84pfeq19sv5a7eaikv1033mtjd2ob5@4ax.com...
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Which one in particular was that? :)

I think both 3.2 and 3.5 V6 but I said some and majority of the
problematic ones were in the US. Just like the Toyota V6 sludging.

Just keep an eye on it still.

>Thanks for playing Oz. You're as predictable as a Jehovah's Witness when
>whipping the missus off to the bedroom for a quick one.

Pleasure Nod...You've shown yet again that you won't believe anything
I say even when it's backed up by the opinion of one of your closest
admirers.......

Now where was it that I said the 380 AWD was going into production?

OzOne of the three twins

I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace.
Noddy - 24 Jul 2008 13:47 GMT
> BTW did you see your lapdogs comment

Yeah, I saw Dan's comment, but I was interested in hearing *your*
professional opinion.

In other words Oz, and just to put it into plain English for you, I wanted
to know if you *knew* anything about it at all or were just echoing comments
without having a f.cking clue either way.

Thanks. You answered my question as predicted.

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Regards,
Noddy.
OzOne - 24 Jul 2008 14:11 GMT
>> BTW did you see your lapdogs comment
>
>Yeah, I saw Dan's comment, but I was interested in hearing *your*
>professional opinion.

My opinion..the Isuzu V^ sludges and clogs oil strainers.....I've
mentioned it before, a couple of years back after a friend needed a
new engine.

DON'T YOU REMEMBER????

Bwaahhahahhahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahah!

>In other words Oz, and just to put it into plain English for you, I wanted
>to know if you *knew* anything about it at all or were just echoing comments
>without having a f.cking clue either way.
>
>Thanks. You answered my question as predicted.

Yeah I did, and just confirmed it....maybe you have THAT in your
archives too!

OzOne of the three twins

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Noddy - 24 Jul 2008 15:23 GMT
> My opinion..the Isuzu V^ sludges and clogs oil strainers.....I've
> mentioned it before, a couple of years back after a friend needed a
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Bwaahhahahhahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahah!

Which is precisely why I asked you Oz, as there's been three versions of the
Isuzu V6 in Rodeos in Australia, and I wanted to hear what one you were
talking about.

"The Isuzu engine fitted to the Rodeo" doesn't reall cut it, does it?

> Yeah I did, and just confirmed it....maybe you have THAT in your
> archives too!

Lol :)

You don't even know what engine *you're* talking about, you f.cking moron :)

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Noddy.
Clocky - 25 Jul 2008 01:25 GMT
>> My opinion..the Isuzu V^ sludges and clogs oil strainers.....I've
>> mentioned it before, a couple of years back after a friend needed a
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> You don't even know what engine *you're* talking about, you f.cking moron
> :)

The fuel guzzling 3.5L sludger fitted to your Rodeo is the one he is talking
about.
Noddy - 25 Jul 2008 04:09 GMT
> The fuel guzzling 3.5L sludger fitted to your Rodeo is the one he is
> talking about.

Thanks Clock, but I wanted *him* so say that. Not *you* to bail him out.

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Noddy.
Clocky - 25 Jul 2008 08:35 GMT
>> The fuel guzzling 3.5L sludger fitted to your Rodeo is the one he is
>> talking about.
>
> Thanks Clock, but I wanted *him* so say that. Not *you* to bail him out.

2005 RA only has one Isuzu V6 engine, why anyone would prefer that engine
over the Alloytec is beyond me, in fact the whole Izuzu engine range from
Jackaroo onward have ranged from f.cking woeful to average at best.
Noddy - 25 Jul 2008 08:54 GMT
> 2005 RA only has one Isuzu V6 engine, why anyone would prefer that engine
> over the Alloytec is beyond me,

Have you driven them both in the Rodeo?

The Alloytec in the Rodeo is nothing like that in the Commy, and it's a
pretty average performer in the Jap ute. There's nothing outstanding about
it as an engine compared to the Isuzu unit either, and it makes a f.cking 
*shitload* more noise.

> in fact the whole Izuzu engine range from Jackaroo onward have ranged from
> f.cking woeful to average at best.

And yet the Rodeo has been one of the most reliable and popular utes around
for years.

Go figure :)

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Noddy.
Clocky - 25 Jul 2008 11:27 GMT
>> 2005 RA only has one Isuzu V6 engine, why anyone would prefer that engine
>> over the Alloytec is beyond me,
>
> Have you driven them both in the Rodeo?

Many times.

> The Alloytec in the Rodeo is nothing like that in the Commy, and it's a
> pretty average performer in the Jap ute. There's nothing outstanding about
> it as an engine compared to the Isuzu unit either, and it makes a f.cking 
> *shitload* more noise.

The Isuzu V6 performance is nothing special. It's woeful fuel economy is
legendary on the other hand.

>> in fact the whole Izuzu engine range from Jackaroo onward have ranged
>> from f.cking woeful to average at best.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Go figure :)

Popular yes, reliable - if only you had a clue...
Noddy - 25 Jul 2008 12:41 GMT
> The Isuzu V6 performance is nothing special. It's woeful fuel economy is
> legendary on the other hand.

I'll let you know what mine's like when I've run a few tanks through it, but
*none* of them are particularly brilliant. Nature of the beast.

> Popular yes, reliable - if only you had a clue...

No offence Clock, but coming from someone who thinks old Mitsubishi Colts
are good cars I'll take that for all I think it's worth.

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Clocky - 25 Jul 2008 16:25 GMT
>> The Isuzu V6 performance is nothing special. It's woeful fuel economy is
>> legendary on the other hand.
>
> I'll let you know what mine's like when I've run a few tanks through it,
> but *none* of them are particularly brilliant. Nature of the beast.

That's true, but the Isuzu V6 was a standout for excessive fuel consumption
compliants even though they were completely normal for that engine.

>> Popular yes, reliable - if only you had a clue...
>
> No offence Clock, but coming from someone who thinks old Mitsubishi Colts
> are good cars I'll take that for all I think it's worth.

Says he with his own selection of crusher fodder.

The two Colts we had were reliable and economical and gave good service -
something that can't be said for a lot of the Isuzu light commercial range.

You get to like that or lump it anyway you like, but that fact remains and
your ignorance of it speaks volumes about you IMO.
Noddy - 25 Jul 2008 23:53 GMT
> That's true, but the Isuzu V6 was a standout for excessive fuel
> consumption compliants even though they were completely normal for that
> engine.

You should try the V6 Triton. You can see the fuel guage move while you're
driving.

> Says he with his own selection of crusher fodder.

Indeed.

> The two Colts we had were reliable and economical and gave good service -
> something that can't be said for a lot of the Isuzu light commercial
> range.

Or any other Colt for that matter :)

> You get to like that or lump it anyway you like, but that fact remains and
> your ignorance of it speaks volumes about you IMO.

If you say so.

If I have any drama's with the Rodeo I'll let you know, but I don't expect
it'll be any different to anything else of it's type.

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Clocky - 26 Jul 2008 01:47 GMT
>> That's true, but the Isuzu V6 was a standout for excessive fuel
>> consumption compliants even though they were completely normal for that
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Or any other Colt for that matter :)

I can't find too many previous Colt owners to agree with that comment but
hey, you do know it all. They were fit for purpose, in my opinion cars like
the Jackaroo Diesel are not. Ofcourse you already know how much GM are still
paying out for warranty repairs on those piles of sh.t.

>> You get to like that or lump it anyway you like, but that fact remains
>> and your ignorance of it speaks volumes about you IMO.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> If I have any drama's with the Rodeo I'll let you know, but I don't expect
> it'll be any different to anything else of it's type.

Well you're lucky in that you won't be driving it too much ;-)
Daryl Walford - 26 Jul 2008 05:34 GMT
> Well you're lucky in that you won't be driving it too much ;-)

What sort of economy do most get with the 3.5ltr?
My petrol V6 Hilux averages 12.5lts/100klm, much more when towing or
very heavily loaded.

Daryl
Noddy - 26 Jul 2008 15:15 GMT
> I can't find too many previous Colt owners to agree with that comment but
> hey, you do know it all.

How many did you look for?

In my experience the early Colt was the forerunner of the Lancer. In other
words, a horrid c.nt of a car that should never have seen the light of day.

Like just about every other car Mitsubishi made at the time.

> They were fit for purpose, in my opinion cars like the Jackaroo Diesel are
> not. Ofcourse you already know how much GM are still paying out for
> warranty repairs on those piles of sh.t.

I wouldn't give you ten cents for a diesel *anything*.

> Well you're lucky in that you won't be driving it too much ;-)

It won't be used everyday, no. I would expect the Territory to sh.t itself
before the Rodeo does, but then the Terry was made here and not in Thailand
:)

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Clocky - 27 Jul 2008 01:29 GMT
>> I can't find too many previous Colt owners to agree with that comment but
>> hey, you do know it all.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> words, a horrid c.nt of a car that should never have seen the light of
> day.

Horrid little shopping trolley they were, but reliable and fit for purpose.
They served plenty of people perfectly adequately.
Ironically Isuzu light commercials are the Lada of light commercial
vehicles.

> Like just about every other car Mitsubishi made at the time.

Ironically Isuzu light commercials are the "Mitsubishi" of that time. Who
else would put the 4x4 shift module under the seat where it gets wet and
fails when you need it to function the most? It's right next to an earth
point that corrodes and can cause a no-start condition. Check yours today.

Placing the ECU on top of the engine where it becomes heat-soaked was
another such f.ck-up, they fail all the time and cost a mint. Electrical
terminals corroding is normal even on cars thay never leave the bitumen.
Immobiliser modules failing happens all the time.

Then there are the driveline issues... gearbox's, driveshafts, turbos
dropping like flies and sludging to burning valves...

>> They were fit for purpose, in my opinion cars like the Jackaroo Diesel
>> are not. Ofcourse you already know how much GM are still paying out for
>> warranty repairs on those piles of sh.t.
>
> I wouldn't give you ten cents for a diesel *anything*.

It's even more ironic that the best engine for the whole Isuzu range was the
old turbo diesel as fitted to the Rodeo. Even that one is only good for
200,000km before lack of compression causes poor performance (you're already
on your second turbo by then).

>> Well you're lucky in that you won't be driving it too much ;-)
>
> It won't be used everyday, no. I would expect the Territory to sh.t itself
> before the Rodeo does, but then the Terry was made here and not in
> Thailand :)

You've made two mistakes, it's OK... then again anyone who chooses a light
commercial because one is more comfortable then another deserves what he
gets :-)
OzOne - 26 Jul 2008 03:34 GMT
>> That's true, but the Isuzu V6 was a standout for excessive fuel
>> consumption compliants even though they were completely normal for that
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Indeed.

Indeed.

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OzOne - 26 Jul 2008 03:01 GMT
>> My opinion..the Isuzu V^ sludges and clogs oil strainers.....I've
>> mentioned it before, a couple of years back after a friend needed a
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>Isuzu V6 in Rodeos in Australia, and I wanted to hear what one you were
>talking about.

But you already knew Nod...
WHY did you need ME to confirm it for you?
especially after a couple of the lapdogs have already backed me up.

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Noddy - 26 Jul 2008 15:18 GMT
> But you already knew Nod...

Yeah, *I* knew Oz, but I wanted to see if *you* knew or were just spouting
your usual bullshit.

> WHY did you need ME to confirm it for you?

You did confirm it Oz. Thanks for that :)

> especially after a couple of the lapdogs have already backed me up.

For f.ck's sake, Dan mentioned it first and you jumped in you f.cking 
idiot.....

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OzOne - 27 Jul 2008 02:05 GMT
>> But you already knew Nod...
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>You did confirm it Oz. Thanks for that :)

Yep....I'm surprised you didn't know of the problem!

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Noddy - 27 Jul 2008 04:25 GMT
> Yep....I'm surprised you didn't know of the problem!

Oh, I've heard of it, just like I've heard of hundreds of other "common
problems". If I'd actually *seen* any examples then I might have given it
some thought.

Clocky will tell you that he's seen hundreds, just like he'll tell you that
he's seen hindreds of E series Falcons with blowmn head gaskets. I must have
been really unlucky when servicing them as fleet cars as I would have done
half a dozen over the years out of maybe 500 E series Falcon sedans that had
the arse thrashed out of them by company drivers who couldn't have given a
sh.t.

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OzOne - 27 Jul 2008 05:18 GMT
>> Yep....I'm surprised you didn't know of the problem!
>
>Oh, I've heard of it, just like I've heard of hundreds of other "common
>problems". If I'd actually *seen* any examples then I might have given it
>some thought.

Ahhh I see...because YOU haven't seen it..It didn't happen.

Tell me Dod...how many Rodeos have you srviced regularly?

Oh BTW...If you serviced them regularly then you are unlikely to have
ever encountered the problem.

get it YET?

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Noddy - 27 Jul 2008 12:53 GMT
> Ahhh I see...because YOU haven't seen it..It didn't happen.

I never said that.

The point was that because Clocky (or anyone else) might have seen a bit and
I haven't doesn't mean he's right and I'm wrong or visa versa. All it means
is that our experiences are different. Falcon head gaskets are one of those
"common problems" that are talked up more than they actually exist, and
regular proper maintenance virtually ellimiates them.

All vehicles have their particular traits as I'm sure you know. The early
Magna is generally regarded as a pretty piss poor car by most people, but
you'll find enough owners who had fault free rides if you look hard enough.
Similarly a lot of people criticise later models as being bad when we both
know there is absolutely nothing wrong with them and their reputation is
totally undeserved.

I value clocky's opinion more than most around here as someone who knows
what he's talking about, but because he doesn't like Isuzu's doesn't
necessarily mean they're a bad vehicle. Generally speaking something that's
*really* bad doesn't become very popular, and the rodeo has always been a
popular vehicle.

> Tell me Dod...how many Rodeos have you srviced regularly?

A few, but not the 3.5 litre. 3.2 litres mostly in the earlier models.
Still, I've never serviced any late model Tritons and I don't expect they're
a problematic vehicle either.

As I said to Clocky in another post, you can throw a blanket over the 4 most
popular vehicles in this class as there's f.ck all in it between any of
them. Apart from the engine in the Navara really, which is *very* good. The
rest are all much of a muchness.

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jonz - 27 Jul 2008 09:15 GMT
>> Yep....I'm surprised you didn't know of the problem!
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> the arse thrashed out of them by company drivers who couldn't have given a
> sh.t.

        don`t step on that bottom lip.....hehehe

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OzOne - 27 Jul 2008 09:34 GMT
>>> Yep....I'm surprised you didn't know of the problem!
>>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>         don`t step on that bottom lip.....hehehe

bOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMM!

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Clocky - 28 Jul 2008 16:30 GMT
>>>> Yep....I'm surprised you didn't know of the problem!
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> bOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMM!

Heh ;-)
Clocky - 28 Jul 2008 16:28 GMT
>> Yep....I'm surprised you didn't know of the problem!
>
> Oh, I've heard of it, just like I've heard of hundreds of other "common
> problems". If I'd actually *seen* any examples then I might have given it
> some thought.

You haven't seen anything other then the inside of your arse for years.

> Clocky will tell you that he's seen hundreds, just like he'll tell you
> that he's seen hindreds of E series Falcons with blowmn head gaskets.

Never made that claim.

I must have
> been really unlucky when servicing them as fleet cars as I would have done
> half a dozen over the years out of maybe 500 E series Falcon sedans that
> had the arse thrashed out of them by company drivers who couldn't have
> given a sh.t.

So you would know better then the foreman at a Ford dealership, ofcourse.
Noddy - 29 Jul 2008 01:16 GMT
> You haven't seen anything other then the inside of your arse for years.

Lol :)

Thanks for that Clocky, but *again* I'll take those comments from the
insular opinion of a dealership mechanic as being extremely valuable :)

> Never made that claim.

Of course.

> So you would know better then the foreman at a Ford dealership, ofcourse.

I never said I did.

What I *did* say is that my experience with them is at odds to the rumours
spread around largely by those who have had little to do with them.

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George W Frost - 29 Jul 2008 01:44 GMT
>> You haven't seen anything other then the inside of your arse for years.
>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> Regards,
> Noddy.

The local Ford dealership here has  really good foreman
at least that is what he will tell you
he actually knows f.ck all about Fords
he got the job by kneeling in front of the dealer / owner and performing the
obvious
Noddy - 29 Jul 2008 04:33 GMT
> The local Ford dealership here has  really good foreman
> at least that is what he will tell you
> he actually knows f.ck all about Fords
> he got the job by kneeling in front of the dealer / owner and performing
> the obvious

As is the case in most dealerships.

You don't need experience with the marque. You need experience with the
regular routine of a car dealership service department.

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jonz - 29 Jul 2008 05:18 GMT
>> The local Ford dealership here has  really good foreman
>> at least that is what he will tell you
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> As is the case in most dealerships.

          big statement, but you have a cite of course?? you `ol gum
flapper you...

> You don't need experience with the marque. You need experience with the
> regular routine of a car dealership service department.
>
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Clocky - 29 Jul 2008 11:23 GMT
>>> The local Ford dealership here has  really good foreman
>>> at least that is what he will tell you
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>> You don't need experience with the marque. You need experience with the
>> regular routine of a car dealership service department.

He was a lacky at a Honda dealership once...
Noddy - 29 Jul 2008 13:01 GMT
> He was a lacky at a Honda dealership once...

Lacky?

I was the service manager thanks very much, which means I would have been
firing your f.cking sorry overall covered arse if you worked there :)

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Clocky - 29 Jul 2008 17:46 GMT
>> He was a lacky at a Honda dealership once...
>
> Lacky?
>
> I was the service manager thanks very much, which means I would have been
> firing your f.cking sorry overall covered arse if you worked there :)

You don't know what I do.
Noddy - 30 Jul 2008 01:56 GMT
> You don't know what I do.

You don't know much about me either, so let's call it square :)

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Noddy - 29 Jul 2008 12:41 GMT
>           big statement, but you have a cite of course?? you `ol gum
> flapper you...

Why don't you just f.ck off an die, you useless piece of toe jam.

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Clocky - 29 Jul 2008 11:22 GMT
>> You haven't seen anything other then the inside of your arse for years.
>
> Lol :)
>
> Thanks for that Clocky, but *again* I'll take those comments from the
> insular opinion of a dealership mechanic as being extremely valuable :)

Can't handle a bit of fact shoved in your face but that has always been your
problem. Your self opiniated bullshit is just that, bullshit.
>> Never made that claim.
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> What I *did* say is that my experience with them is at odds to the rumours
> spread around largely by those who have had little to do with them.

Your experience is above anyone elses ofcourse.
OzOne - 29 Jul 2008 12:19 GMT
>>> You haven't seen anything other then the inside of your arse for years.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
>Your experience is above anyone elses ofcourse.

Damn Tick Tock...and to think you once sided with him......

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Noddy - 29 Jul 2008 13:00 GMT
> Can't handle a bit of fact shoved in your face but that has always been
> your problem.

Fact? :)

Excuse me Clocky, but just because you say something doesn't make it any
more a *fact* than me doing so :)

> Your self opiniated bullshit is just that, bullshit.

Oh. and your "f.ck you I'm a dealership techie so I *know* isn't? Get the
f.ck over yourself. As I said earlier, if you don't like the Rodeo then I'm
happy for you, but just because you don't doesn't make them a bad vehicle.

If they are a heap of sh.t and this one turns out to be bad I promise I'll
let you know. It's no skin off my knob, as I didn't make the f.cking thing
:)

> Your experience is above anyone elses ofcourse.

Um, no, my experience is what I relate to. Just like you do.

If someone tells me that Ford E series head gaskets "blow as a matter of
course at 150k kms" (which I've heard from dealership staff and other people
who should know better that many times it's not funny) and I *don't* see
that pattern happening when servicing a shitload of them as fleet cars over
a number of years then I'm naturally going to be skeptical of the "rumour".

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Clocky - 29 Jul 2008 17:57 GMT
>> Can't handle a bit of fact shoved in your face but that has always been
>> your problem.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Excuse me Clocky, but just because you say something doesn't make it any
> more a *fact* than me doing so :)

Except you have no specific experience to back anything up with, just your
usual hot air.

>> Your self opiniated bullshit is just that, bullshit.
>
> Oh. and your "f.ck you I'm a dealership techie so I *know* isn't?

I rate product knowledge higher then hot air, yes.

Get the
> f.ck over yourself. As I said earlier, if you don't like the Rodeo then
> I'm happy for you, but just because you don't doesn't make them a bad
> vehicle.

Common problems are common problems whether you like it or not. I don't
dislike the look of the Rodeo, but they're pretty brittle mechanically for
their vehicle type.

> If they are a heap of sh.t and this one turns out to be bad I promise I'll
> let you know. It's no skin off my knob, as I didn't make the f.cking thing
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> fleet cars over a number of years then I'm naturally going to be skeptical
> of the "rumour".

They drop like flies in our summers, but ofcourse you would know better.
bob@magnecor.com.au.invalid - 30 Jul 2008 01:03 GMT
>I rate product knowledge higher then hot air, yes.

And yet you didn't know that the Colorado was replacing the Rodeo in
July.

Bob
Noddy - 30 Jul 2008 02:04 GMT
> And yet you didn't know that the Colorado was replacing the Rodeo in
> July.

Ooops :)

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Clocky - 30 Jul 2008 22:59 GMT
>>I rate product knowledge higher then hot air, yes.
>
> And yet you didn't know that the Colorado was replacing the Rodeo in
> July.

The Colorado = Rodeo, It's only a name change.
Noddy - 31 Jul 2008 00:17 GMT
> The Colorado = Rodeo, It's only a name change.

It's a completely different vehicle, isn't it?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the Rodeo was made by Isuzu and the
Colarado by Daewoo?

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Dan--- - 31 Jul 2008 00:35 GMT
>> The Colorado = Rodeo, It's only a name change.
>
> It's a completely different vehicle, isn't it?
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the Rodeo was made by Isuzu and
> the Colarado by Daewoo?

The Colorado is essentially a facelifted version of the Rodeo ute. As,
Holden lost the right to use the Rodeo name following the formal
separation between Isuzu and its own parent company General Motors.

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Noddy - 31 Jul 2008 01:22 GMT
> The Colorado is essentially a facelifted version of the Rodeo ute. As,
> Holden lost the right to use the Rodeo name following the formal
> separation between Isuzu and its own parent company General Motors.

I don't know if the new Colorado is from Daewoo or not (or indeed from Asia
at all) but my understanding is that it's a completely different vehicle and
has nothing whatsoever to do with Isuzu. I checked on out at Ballan Holden a
couple of weeks ago, and it certainly has about as much in common with the
last model Rodeo as a Hilux does. Either way, it's more than just a name
change as Clocky suggests.

I also understand that the current Rodeo is to continue in Australia with
help from Mitsubishi, and it'll be called the "D-Max" which is the name it
wears in Asia and North America. What impact that will have on Triton sales
remains to be seen.

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Dan--- - 31 Jul 2008 02:12 GMT
> I don't know if the new Colorado is from Daewoo or not (or indeed from
> Asia at all) but my understanding is that it's a completely different
> vehicle and has nothing whatsoever to do with Isuzu. I checked on out at
> Ballan Holden a couple of weeks ago, and it certainly has about as much
> in common with the last model Rodeo as a Hilux does. Either way, it's
> more than just a name change as Clocky suggests.

Dunno not really bothered by it really the Colly has the same engine
options and so forth as the Rodeo it replaces. Also I find the name
Colorado to be a bit naff and yank wannabe just like David Z. :-).

> I also understand that the current Rodeo is to continue in Australia
> with help from Mitsubishi, and it'll be called the "D-Max" which is the
> name it wears in Asia and North America. What impact that will have on
> Triton sales remains to be seen.

Mitsubishi fanbois will be having f.cking coronaries knowing Mitsubishi
and GM are having a little affair. :-).

Although can't see myself replacing my Rodeo anytime soon for one. :-)

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OzOne - 31 Jul 2008 02:21 GMT
>Mitsubishi fanbois will be having f.cking coronaries knowing Mitsubishi
>and GM are having a little affair. :-).

Why?
Oh that's right...you rarely think straight!

>Although can't see myself replacing my Rodeo anytime soon for one. :-)

What? You're not gunna 'look' at one?

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Daryl Walford - 31 Jul 2008 06:42 GMT
>> The Colorado is essentially a facelifted version of the Rodeo ute. As,
>> Holden lost the right to use the Rodeo name following the formal
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> wears in Asia and North America. What impact that will have on Triton sales
> remains to be seen.

I think I read somewhere that the current Colorado is an "interim" (face
lifted Rodeo) vehicle and that the new Colorado is coming to Australia
sometime in 2010.
http://www1.autotrader.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/carshowroomstory?ReadForm&ID=7F1
AD5B3DE69669FCA2574020014B967


Daryl
Noddy - 31 Jul 2008 07:41 GMT
> I think I read somewhere that the current Colorado is an "interim" (face
> lifted Rodeo) vehicle and that the new Colorado is coming to Australia
> sometime in 2010.
> http://www1.autotrader.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/carshowroomstory?ReadForm&ID=7F1
AD5B3DE69669FCA2574020014B967

Ta.

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Clocky - 04 Aug 2008 17:24 GMT
>> The Colorado is essentially a facelifted version of the Rodeo ute. As,
>> Holden lost the right to use the Rodeo name following the formal
>> separation between Isuzu and its own parent company General Motors.
>
> I don't know if the new Colorado is from Daewoo or not (or indeed from
> Asia at all)

It's not a Daewoo, it's a facelifted Rodeo, the same as will be sold here by
Isuzu.

but my understanding is that it's a completely different vehicle and
> has nothing whatsoever to do with Isuzu.

In that case you are wrong.

I checked on out at Ballan Holden a
> couple of weeks ago, and it certainly has about as much in common with the
> last model Rodeo as a Hilux does. Either way, it's more than just a name
> change as Clocky suggests.

Bar the minor panel changes it's exactly the same car you nong.

> I also understand that the current Rodeo is to continue in Australia with
> help from Mitsubishi, and it'll be called the "D-Max" which is the name it
> wears in Asia and North America. What impact that will have on Triton
> sales remains to be seen.

Rumour has it that Isuzu are going to sell the Rodeo through their own
dealer network.
Noddy - 05 Aug 2008 07:46 GMT
> Bar the minor panel changes it's exactly the same car you nong.

Panel, chassis, interior, and everything else that's obviously different to
the current Rodeo. Kind of a bit like saying the VE is exactly the same car
as the VZ apart from the "different bits" :)

> Rumour has it that Isuzu are going to sell the Rodeo through their own
> dealer network.

What dealer network?

All they have is a handful of truck outlets, and they'd be less likely to
attract as much general ute buying attention going down that road than they
would with an established "car dealer" in my opinion.

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Clocky - 05 Aug 2008 13:06 GMT
>> Bar the minor panel changes it's exactly the same car you nong.
>
> Panel, chassis, interior, and everything else that's obviously different
> to the current Rodeo. Kind of a bit like saying the VE is exactly the same
> car as the VZ apart from the "different bits" :)

Err no, the VE is a completely new car. The RC Rodeo/Colorado is just a new
dash and body panels, pretty much the same in difference as every new Rodeo
model release.

>> Rumour has it that Isuzu are going to sell the Rodeo through their own
>> dealer network.
>
> What dealer network?

The one they're going to establish and use to sell the RC Rodeo.

> All they have is a handful of truck outlets, and they'd be less likely to
> attract as much general ute buying attention going down that road than
> they would with an established "car dealer" in my opinion.

It's an inside rumour, we'll see what pans out.
Noddy - 05 Aug 2008 13:46 GMT
> The one they're going to establish and use to sell the RC Rodeo.

Jeez, I hope they're planning on selling a lot, as that's sure as sh.t going
to be an expensive exercise. It would have just been easier to kiss Holden's
arse and continue their existing partnership.

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Clocky - 18 Aug 2008 22:59 GMT
>> The one they're going to establish and use to sell the RC Rodeo.
>
> Jeez, I hope they're planning on selling a lot, as that's sure as sh.t 
> going to be an expensive exercise. It would have just been easier to kiss
> Holden's arse and continue their existing partnership.

Considering Holden is goint to be selling the same car under a different
name isn't going to do them any favours either I suspect.
Clocky - 04 Aug 2008 17:18 GMT
>> The Colorado = Rodeo, It's only a name change.
>
> It's a completely different vehicle, isn't it?
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the Rodeo was made by Isuzu and the
> Colarado by Daewoo?

Wrong. It's a rebadged Rodeo.
Noddy - 05 Aug 2008 07:43 GMT
> Wrong. It's a rebadged Rodeo.

Made in Mexico appparently.

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bob@magnecor.com.au.invalid - 01 Aug 2008 01:15 GMT
>> And yet you didn't know that the Colorado was replacing the Rodeo in
>> July.
>
>The Colorado = Rodeo, It's only a name change.

So according to you, a VY and A VZ are the same as well?

Bob
Clocky - 04 Aug 2008 17:29 GMT
>>> And yet you didn't know that the Colorado was replacing the Rodeo in
>>> July.
>>
>>The Colorado = Rodeo, It's only a name change.
>
> So according to you, a VY and A VZ are the same as well?

About the same as the RA Rodeo is to the RC Colorado in fact.
Noddy - 30 Jul 2008 02:04 GMT
> Except you have no specific experience to back anything up with, just your
> usual hot air.

According to you, but then you wouldn't have a clue now, would you?

> I rate product knowledge higher then hot air, yes.

Good for you.

I'd rather go with my own experience thanks.

> Common problems are common problems whether you like it or not.

Indeed they are, but there's a couple of points about that you should bear
in mind: Firstly, there aren't too manuy vehicles that don't have problems
of some kind, and secondly just because "common problems" might be known it
doesn't mean every single vehcile is affected by them.

You've said that they have issues and that's fine. I have no reason to doubt
what you say, but until *I* suffer from them I'm not concerned about them.

> I don't dislike the look of the Rodeo, but they're pretty brittle
> mechanically for their vehicle type.

There's nothing about them that I can see that makes them any better or
worse than anything else of their ilk, but then you're the obvious expert.
All I can suggest is that if you honestly think Toyota does anything better
than anyone else in this particular market segment then you need to release
the grip on your slug for a few minutes and let a bit of blood flow before
you do some damage.

> They drop like flies in our summers, but ofcourse you would know better.

Absolutely :)

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Clocky - 27 Jul 2008 01:32 GMT
>>> My opinion..the Isuzu V^ sludges and clogs oil strainers.....I've
>>> mentioned it before, a couple of years back after a friend needed a
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> WHY did you need ME to confirm it for you?
> especially after a couple of the lapdogs have already backed me up.

Lapdogs? You can count me out, I haven't agreed with Noddy on most things
since he lost the plot ;-)
Dan--- - 27 Jul 2008 01:39 GMT
> Lapdogs? You can count me out, I haven't agreed with Noddy on most
> things since he lost the plot ;-)

This is aus.cars Clocky no one has the plot at all. ;-).

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Clocky - 28 Jul 2008 00:17 GMT
>> Lapdogs? You can count me out, I haven't agreed with Noddy on most
>> things since he lost the plot ;-)
>
> This is aus.cars Clocky no one has the plot at all. ;-).

Good point, I was being kind.
He's gone completely skitz ;-)
RogerM - 28 Jul 2008 04:36 GMT
>> Lapdogs? You can count me out, I haven't agreed with Noddy on most
>> things since he lost the plot ;-)
>
> This is aus.cars Clocky no one has the plot at all. ;-).
> Regards
> Dan

So I take it this means you are one of the lapdogs my friend Oz was
referring to?? Of course you are, we old timers in here know that.

Roger
OzOne - 27 Jul 2008 02:06 GMT
>>>> My opinion..the Isuzu V^ sludges and clogs oil strainers.....I've
>>>> mentioned it before, a couple of years back after a friend needed a
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>Lapdogs? You can count me out, I haven't agreed with Noddy on most things
>since he lost the plot ;-)

Ahhh a breakaway.......good for you Tick Tock....

OzOne of the three twins

I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace.
Noddy - 27 Jul 2008 04:22 GMT
> Ahhh a breakaway.......good for you Tick Tock....

Whoa?

A minute ago he was a "lapdog". No he's your best friend?

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OzOne - 27 Jul 2008 05:21 GMT
>> Ahhh a breakaway.......good for you Tick Tock....
>
>Whoa?
>
>A minute ago he was a "lapdog". No he's your best friend?

Best friend......a comment like that makes a best friend?

You must have lots of friends,

after all I can see how lots of people would say "Good for you" as
they turned their back on you and walked away......

OzOne of the three twins

I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace.
Noddy - 27 Jul 2008 12:43 GMT
> after all I can see how lots of people would say "Good for you" as
> they turned their back on you and walked away......

You'd have to get out in the real world to find something like that out Oz,
and something tells me such an experience would be a totally unique one in
your case.

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RogerM - 28 Jul 2008 04:38 GMT
>> Ahhh a breakaway.......good for you Tick Tock....
>
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> Regards,
> Noddy.

Hey, I thought that honour was with me? Surely you can't let Oz have two
friends? LOL<