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Car Forum / Australian Car Forums / General Car Topics (Australian group) / July 2008Holden's first automatic
I was having a discussion with a mate the other night. It turned out that my first car (FC Holden, purchased ca. 1973) was the same as his. He claimed that his was an auto. I reckon that Holden's first auto did not arrive 'till around 1962-3, with the arrival of the EK(?). Is that correct? Or was the FC available as an auto?  SignatureTrevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au > I was having a discussion with a mate the other night. It turned out > that my first car (FC Holden, purchased ca. 1973) was the same as his. > He claimed that his was an auto. I reckon that Holden's first auto did > not arrive 'till around 1962-3, with the arrival of the EK(?). Is that > correct? Or was the FC available as an auto? If I remember it was the EK that got the hyrdramatic automatic gearbox option. The EK was introduced in 61. SignatureRegards Dan >> I was having a discussion with a mate the other night. It turned out >> that my first car (FC Holden, purchased ca. 1973) was the same as his. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > If I remember it was the EK that got the hyrdramatic automatic gearbox > option. The EK was introduced in 61. I had one. Two speed out of a fkn truck. :-( SignatureTake Care. ~~ Feral Al ( @..@) (\- :-P -/) ((.>__oo__<.)) ^^^ % ^^^ >>> I was having a discussion with a mate the other night. It turned out >>> that my first car (FC Holden, purchased ca. 1973) was the same as his. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I had one. Two speed out of a fkn truck. :-( If you had a two speed, then it was a GM Powerglide, which IIRC came out with the EH & beyond (red motor) until the advent of the dreaded Trimatic. The Hydramatic was a three speed which GM claimed as a four speed, as they regarded third gear convertor locked / unlocked as two gears. SignatureRegards, Chas. (To email me, replace "xxx" with letters tango papa golf.) >>>> I was having a discussion with a mate the other night. It turned out >>>> that my first car (FC Holden, purchased ca. 1973) was the same as his. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>> option. The EK was introduced in 61. >> I had one. Two speed out of a fkn truck. :-( > If you had a two speed, then it was a GM Powerglide, which IIRC came out > with the EH & beyond (red motor) until the advent of the dreaded Trimatic. > The Hydramatic was a three speed which GM claimed as a four speed, as they > regarded third gear convertor locked / unlocked as two gears. Wrong. May I sarcastically say: the EK was either stopped or it fkn went slow (two speeds). Although I suppose stop isn't a speed. :-) It took 23secs for the quarter and struggled to 100km/h in 25secs. It was a dog. And just to add to the confusion, if you ever drove one, the auto would only change *twice*. ;-) <quote> The Roto Hydramatic: In Australia the transmission was just called the Hydramatic. The Roto Hydramatic was cheaper and smoother than the earlier Hydramatic, but slower, softer shifts sacrificed performance for refinement. American owners discovered that it was less durable than the earlier Hydramatic, and was prone to various mechanical problems. The factory caused confusion in describing the 3 speed Hydra-Matic as a 4-S model or a 4 stage transmission, which implied it was a 4 speed. However, "second" gear is actually first gear minus the torque multiplication, which quickly ceases to multiply seconds after the car starts rolling. This change in ratio on the first speed was achieved by activating a valve and filling and unfilling the torus chamber. Very confusing, but you only hear the transmission shift twice, as a three speed will do. </quote> SignatureTake Care. ~~ Feral Al ( @..@) (\- :-P -/) ((.>__oo__<.)) ^^^ % ^^^ > If you had a two speed, then it was a GM Powerglide, which IIRC came out > with the EH & beyond (red motor) until the advent of the dreaded Trimatic. The EH had a hydramatic behind the red motor. HD was the first with the powerglide. > The Hydramatic was a three speed which GM claimed as a four speed, as they > regarded third gear convertor locked / unlocked as two gears. In that case, the 4L60 is a 5-speed. :-) SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. Dan--- wrote... > If I remember it was the EK that got the hyrdramatic automatic gearbox > option. The EK was introduced in 61. Yep. This was a mate's first car. I helped him convert it to a 3 sp manual. They went from the 3 sp hydramatic (or slushmatic) to the 2sp Powerglide then to the 3sp Trimatic/Turbo Hydro 400 series in the HQ-HZ series. Dunno what they used after that as I left the industry. >I was having a discussion with a mate the other night. It turned out that my >first car (FC Holden, purchased ca. 1973) was the same as his. He claimed >that his was an auto. I reckon that Holden's first auto did not arrive 'till >around 1962-3, with the arrival of the EK(?). Is that correct? pretty close >Or was the FC available as an auto? Not ex Holden. Did see some aftermarket efforts in the late 60's but they were red motor transplants from EH. > >I was having a discussion with a mate the other night. It turned out that my > >first car (FC Holden, purchased ca. 1973) was the same as his. He claimed [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Not ex Holden. Did see some aftermarket efforts in the late 60's but they were > red motor transplants from EH. Too true,..the FB didnt have an auto,..the following EK did. Great looking car the EK. I think the EK was the first Holden with a better paint job than just Duco. Can't think of the name of the finish. Jason >I think the EK was the first Holden with a better paint job than >just Duco. Can't think of the name of the finish. IIRC the original Duco (nitrocellulose lacquer) was upgraded to a high gloss version on the FC. The name was changed to Hilux. First use of acrylic lacquer was mid 1960, part way through the FB. It was called Dulon E Type. Government issue Holdens still had nitrocellulose lacquer until at least the EH, and maybe later. SignatureJohn H >>I think the EK was the first Holden with a better paint job than >>just Duco. Can't think of the name of the finish. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Government issue Holdens still had nitrocellulose lacquer until at > least the EH, and maybe later. The acrylic lacquer first appeared on the FC and was called "Magic Mirror" in the sales literature. The early formulation was unsuitable for panel repair and touch-up and was modified to the "Dulon E" formula for the later vehicles. SignatureRegards, Chas. (To email me, replace "xxx" with letters tango papa golf.) >>> I think the EK was the first Holden with a better paint job than >>> just Duco. Can't think of the name of the finish. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > repair and touch-up and was modified to the "Dulon E" formula for the later > vehicles. The holden.org.au site says the FB was the first Holden that used acrylic paint. Who to believe? SignatureTake Care. ~~ Feral Al ( @..@) (\- :-P -/) ((.>__oo__<.)) ^^^ % ^^^ > >>> I think the EK was the first Holden with a better paint job than > >>> just Duco. Can't think of the name of the finish. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > The holden.org.au site says the FB was the first Holden that > used acrylic paint. Who to believe? Proably right/ The FB was the 2nd major model change. GMH still persisted with thegrey motor ( 70 hp) up until the EJ. Thing of it was, Ford and Valiant had motors [ atleast 3 yrs before] which could eat the grey motor for breakfast, and still feeel hungry.Falcon and Chrysler had: 144 or 170 cu donks, Val had a slant 6s of 225 cu. Jason > ..... GMH still persisted > with thegrey motor ( 70 hp) up until the EJ. Thing of it was, Ford and > Valiant had motors [ atleast 3 yrs before] which could eat the grey motor > for breakfast, and still feeel hungry.Falcon and Chrysler had: 144 or 170 > cu > donks, Val had a slant 6s of 225 cu. The Valiant donk made twice the horses of the grey motor and the push-button automatics shat all over the hydramatics.... There must've been a massive price-difference fopr the Holden to have been such a sales success. SignatureKnob >> IIRC the original Duco (nitrocellulose lacquer) was upgraded to a high >> gloss version on the FC. The name was changed to Hilux. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >repair and touch-up and was modified to the "Dulon E" formula for the later >vehicles. Nope, Acrylic definitely first appeared on the FB, and it was labled by Dulux as Dulon E type. I've still got some of the vehicle listings as supplied by Dulux. The earlier change, which I'm 99.9% certain was on the FC, was an improved nitrocellulose lacquer promoted as "Hilux". The difference from the original Duco was that Hilux produced a gloss straight off the gun (the original had to be buffed). The two products were fully compatible (in both directions). On reflection there probably wasn't a name change as I previously stated. IIRC the name Duco remained on Dulux's nitrocellose lacquer. SignatureJohn H On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:53:35 +1000, Jason James blathered on in:aus.cars >>>I was having a discussion with a mate the other night. It turned out that > my [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Jason The bastards (FB and EK) were a scaled-down version of a yank-tank. Unfortunately the idiots that did that were obviously short-arsed idiots, because anyone of standard height earned damaged knees getting in and out of the infernal shitboxen. > Too true,..the FB didnt have an auto,..the following EK did. Great looking > car the EK. I think the EK was the first Holden with a better paint job than > just Duco. Can't think of the name of the finish. I just read on the Holden.org.au site that the FB was the first holden with acrylic paintwork. SignatureTake Care. ~~ Feral Al ( @..@) (\- :-P -/) ((.>__oo__<.)) ^^^ % ^^^ |
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