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Car Forum / Australian Car Forums / General Car Topics (Australian group) / August 2008RACQ picks the new FG Falcon
The latest RACQ "Road Ahead" magazine did an excellent road test on the Falcon FG G6E, the Honda Accord V6-L and the HoldenVE Calais, with their results finishing in that order...FG 4 stars, Accord 3 1/2 stars and the Holden 3 stars. Some interesting facts I picked out for you. 1. WHEELS...All use 17" alloy wheels with the Honda the only one with a full size spare. 2. 0-100klm/hr...The Honda being 4cyl was only .5sec slower than the much more powerful Ford at 7.5secs and just slightly quicker than the Holden at 8.1 secs. 3. FUEL ECONOMY........The Ford had the best fuel economy at 8.4, the Holden at 9.5 and surprisingly the Honda was the worst for fuel at 9.8 yet overall combined, the Honda was best at 11.7, the Ford at 11.8 and the Holden, way off the mark at 12.2. 4. AIR FILTER .......A genuine air filter for both the Honda and Holden came in around $50 and the Ford's was only $17 Certainly appears the FG is Ford's biggest chance to get back up there, but appears to be doomed like Mitsubishi as just will not make up lost ground. Products are great but it's not happening. Roger > Certainly appears the FG is Ford's biggest chance to get back up there, > but appears to be doomed like Mitsubishi as just will not make up lost > ground. Products are great but it's not happening. Interestingly, sales of the FG have been only marginally better than the BFII it replaced at around 3000 units per month, whereas the VE Commy still battles with the Corolla in a constant lead swapping fight at around 4500 units per month. Clearly, the demand for bigs cars is still there, but most favour the Commodore. I had a close look at an FG Turbo the other day, and while it seems like a nice car, it also looks like a pretty boring one as well. Compared to the Commodore which just looks great in any of it's guises, the Falcon just seems to scream "cardigan wearer" just like a Camry does. Ford's launch of the FG series also struck me as being very low key, and maybe that has something to do with it. -- Regards, Noddy. >> Certainly appears the FG is Ford's biggest chance to get back up there, >> but appears to be doomed like Mitsubishi as just will not make up lost [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > 4500 units per month. Clearly, the demand for bigs cars is still there, > but most favour the Commodore. I agree fully with you. With the pre release hype, I was expecting a stunner much like the VE. I am not surprised at all to see very little change to the sales of both cars because at least as appearance goes, the Commodore wins with it's eyes closed. My son was (like me) always a Ford fan and had bought several XR6's. Whilst his BF was a better car than his BA, he has since replaced the BF with a VE SV6 and sh.t, it is a bloody smart looking car and goes quite well. > I had a close look at an FG Turbo the other day, and while it seems like a > nice car, it also looks like a pretty boring one as well. Compared to the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Ford's launch of the FG series also struck me as being very low key, and > maybe that has something to do with it. f.cked if I can understand that either although up here anyway, it is causing the dealers to push out brand new superseeded BF dedicated LPG Falcon's for $25,990 driveaway which is a bloody excellent price. Roger > -- > Regards, > Noddy. >> Certainly appears the FG is Ford's biggest chance to get back up >> there, but appears to be doomed like Mitsubishi as just will not make [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Ford's launch of the FG series also struck me as being very low key, > and maybe that has something to do with it. The Australian Ford still exists and thrives, unlike the Australian versions of, Mitsubish, Leyland and Chrysler. > The Australian Ford still exists and thrives, unlike the Australian > versions of, Mitsubish, Leyland and Chrysler. It still exists, but I wouldn't say it's thriving. They'd want to hope for a dramatic improvement at some future point or it'll go the way of the Dodo. -- Regards, Noddy. >> The Australian Ford still exists and thrives, unlike the Australian >> versions of, Mitsubish, Leyland and Chrysler. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > They'd want to hope for a dramatic improvement at some future point or > it'll go the way of the Dodo. You will before Ford does. > You will before Ford does. I think Ford will be around for a while, but the locally made Falcon is on it's last legs :) -- Regards, Noddy. >> You will before Ford does. > > I think Ford will be around for a while, but the locally made Falcon > is on it's last legs :) I don't think you have a f.cking clue! Of course it will be around... FFS. Must be a Bogan think.. >>> You will before Ford does. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I don't think you have a f.cking clue! > Of course it will be around... FFS. Must be a Bogan think.. have you had your head stuck in the sand for the last decade Ron, even the top dogs at Ford Australia admit that this could possibly be the last ever Australian designed and built large Ford ,if it doesn't do well in the market place.  SignatureGod made me an atheist. Who are you to question his wisdom? >>>> You will before Ford does. >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Australian designed and built large Ford ,if it doesn't do well in the > market place. We may be seeing the bitter end of Fords Rear-Drive division. World-wide. Which is a damm shame, IMHO, mainly because I reckon Falcon is quite a sophisticated bit of kit, these days. Still, they were seemingly down for the count at the last global OilCo scam with XA-B-C and pulled the Blackwood outa their arses. Now those have porked up - who knows what they'll come up with next:-) > We may be seeing the bitter end of Fords Rear-Drive division. > World-wide. Sadly.... > Which is a damm shame, IMHO, mainly because I reckon Falcon is quite a > sophisticated bit of kit, these days. It *could* be if they put a bit of time and effort into quality control. They've got some *horrendous* quality control issues. > Still, they were seemingly down for the count at the last global OilCo > scam with XA-B-C and pulled the Blackwood outa their arses. Now those > have porked up - who knows what they'll come up with next:-) Rebadged Amerikan sh.t I expect. -- Regards, Noddy. >>>> You will before Ford does. >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > last ever Australian designed and built large Ford ,if it doesn't do > well in the market place. News has changed , do try to keep up , why you ask ? because Australia has a very different set of requirements to mother us so we will keep doing our own thing.. > News has changed , do try to keep up , What news would that be? > why you ask ? Yes, I ask. > because Australia has a very different set of requirements to mother us > so we will keep doing our own thing.. Bullshit. Motoring "requirements" are no different for this country than they are for anywhere else. We make our own cars here just like the US does theirs and England/Europe does theirs, but we will only continue to do so as long as there's profit in it. -- Regards, Noddy. >>>>> You will before Ford does. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > because Australia has a very different set of requirements to mother us > so we will keep doing our own thing.. not according to the people I talk to. another thing they are scared of is trying to sell a US sourced yank mobile to replace them as, Fords experience with US sourced cars is not what you would consider a raging success down under. SignatureGod made me an atheist. Who are you to question his wisdom? >>>>>> You will before Ford does. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > mobile to replace them as, Fords experience with US sourced cars is > not what you would consider a raging success down under. Very true, remember that horrid Taurus? >>>>>>> You will before Ford does. >>>>>> I think Ford will be around for a while, but the locally made [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Very true, remember that horrid Taurus? My point exactly , why would anyone buy such a thing ? there are plenty of alternatives so either supply what the buyers want or fail I followed a cockraoch ( taurus) recently and they do have to much in common with the au series.. which explains why most every au has a wing fitted Reminds me. The Discovery is finally a decent automobile :-) I first fitted the snorkel, then a big bore exhaust and tri-flow muffler, but she was still a slug. Took it to C-N-J Automotive ans had the latest "Unichip" plus Electronic Dizzy module fitted. The change was so great it was unbelievable. On the four wheel dyno, it went from 70 to 90Kw's at the wheels and torque went up to 208Nm @ 3,000 to 4,500 rpm. Fuels consumption improved out of site and I can now pass cars on the highway :-) Did have a couple of set backs. Plugs gave up and the coil looked a bit sick (all original) I fitted NGK iridium plugs, a sports electronic ignition coil and today the set of Magnecores arrived. This morning it went back because the motor started missing at "only" 3,200 rpm. Before and after was fine. Kelvin rang South Africa, got sent an updated ECU program. Put it in his laptop, fired up the Disc and reset a few things. It now goes better that ever :-) Has twin fuel maps, one for ULP and one for PULP. Did a trip to Biloela last week, got 14.5L per 100Km @ 107kph, 15 to 15.5 tow, 4WD tracks and cruising around Cania Gorge. Comming back we were running late so I sat on 118kph where possible, and basically flogged it up hills etc. Fuel usage, 16L per 100km. With a bit of luck I won't see the 20 to 25's of the past :-) I no longer refer to the poor thing as the "Slug". All those speeds were via the GPS, not the optimistic speedo that was showing 120 to 130kph!! Next test is September. 3,000km trip towing the van from Brisbane way out west, north to Winton, down to Casino (by different roads) and back to Brisbane. > The Discovery is finally a decent automobile :-) Yeah, right :) -- Regards, Noddy. "Noddy" <me@home.com> wrote in news:48aa7c3b$0$25270$c30e37c6@lon- reader.news.telstra.net: >> The Discovery is finally a decent automobile :-) > > Yeah, right :) Yeah another vehicle you would know f.ck all about.. > Yeah another vehicle you would prefer to have f.ck all to do with.. Typo fixed :) -- Regards, Noddy. "Noddy" <me@home.com> wrote in news:48aab461$0$25269$c30e37c6@lon- reader.news.telstra.net: >> Yeah another vehicle you would prefer to have f.ck all to do with.. > > Typo fixed :) Noddy. Lets face it, you are a one eyed bogan. You so called mechanical experience is limited to "Bogan" type cars. Land Rover have been going a lot longer than you have been alive. The vast majority of them are still on the roads. Armies choose them over Jeep. They beat the Jap 4WD's hands down in the bush. Before you start the "Hiclone sh.t" again, the f.cking thing I bought was on a recommendation of another "Bogan Mechanic" like you. I knew f.ck all about them, and assumed the mechanic did. Needless to say, I do not listen to, or take any car of mine, to a simple (Bogan) mechanic. Only those who specialise in a certain car or modification. The rest of you lot are hopeless and like you, only able to repair GMH and Ford. Even a monkey can pull some thing off an XP Falcon and replace it with a new bit and the motors are so simple, the same monkey would easily find out what is wrong with it! > Lets face it, you are a one eyed bogan. Thanks for that Ron, but it's not like you're qualified to comment. > You so called mechanical experience is limited to "Bogan" type cars. You would have not the slihtest f.cking idea what my mechical experience is limited to. > Land Rover have been going a lot longer than you have been alive. A few years longer, but anyway. Just because you've been doing something a long time doesn't automatically mean you do it *well*. > The vast majority of them are still on the roads. Armies choose them > over Jeep. They beat the Jap 4WD's hands down in the bush. Who cares? As a daily city driver they f.cking *suck*. > Before you start the "Hiclone sh.t" again, the f.cking thing I bought was > on a recommendation of another "Bogan Mechanic" like you. I knew f.ck all > about them, and assumed the mechanic did. Not like me Ron. I would never have recommended one to you, and the fact that you were gullible enough to believe such bullshit makes any criticisms of anyone eleses ability a f.cking cheek at best. > Needless to say, I do not listen to, or take any car of mine, to a simple > (Bogan) mechanic. Only those who specialise in a certain car or > modification. Do you know what a "specialist" is in automotive parlance Ron? A "specialist" is a regular mechanic who sees a niche market full of ignorant fuckwits just *begging* to be ripped off and takes advantage of it. > The rest of you lot are hopeless and like you, only able to repair GMH and > Ford. Just to clue you in Ronald, I'm retired now as you know but when I was working I repaired any number of different marques, including Ferrari, Lamorgini, Maserati, Lotus, Jaguar, Astin Martin, Porsche, Rolls Royce, SAAB, Mercedes Benz, BMW, Audi and just about any other wierd and wonderful "exotic" you'd care to name. I also did maintsream stuff like Holden, Ford and Japanese and *prefered* those as my bread and butter as they were predictable, uncomplicated and good earners. What you fail to understand is that having worked on a lot of those "exotics" has shown me what c.nts of vehicles most of them are, how the public gets the absolute *sh.t* ripped out of them when they buy one and why I'd never want to own one. Jaguar would be the absolute f.cking *worst*, and by a very long way. > Even a monkey can pull some thing off an XP > Falcon and replace it with a new bit and the motors are so simple, the > same monkey would easily find out what is wrong with it! And the problem there would be? -- Regards, Noddy. > Just to clue you in Ronald, I'm retired now as you know but when I was > working I repaired any number of different marques, including Ferrari, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > the public gets the absolute *sh.t* ripped out of them when they buy > one and why I'd never want to own one. ROTFLMAO... at least you had the common sensce to check the spelling of those marques. I seriously doubt you have ever touched one. BTW, I have a "Turbo Master" here that will fit your Foulcan, another Mechanic, just like you, said it "worked really well and saved a lot on fuel!" Like you, he would HAVE to be right!! > ROTFLMAO... at least you had the common sensce to check the spelling of > those marques. I seriously doubt you have ever touched one. Doubt all you like Ron, but it's not like you have a clue :) > BTW, I have a "Turbo Master" here that will fit your Foulcan, another > Mechanic, just like you, said it "worked really well and saved a lot on > fuel!" Like you, he would HAVE to be right!! You f.cking believed him :) -- Regards, Noddy. "Noddy" <me@home.com> wrote in news:48ab7d3e$0$25279$c30e37c6@lon- reader.news.telstra.net: >> ROTFLMAO... at least you had the common sensce to check the spelling of >> those marques. I seriously doubt you have ever touched one. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > You f.cking believed him :) Now you know why I don't believe you :) > Now you know why I don't believe you :) Stands to reason I guess :) -- Regards, Noddy. >> ROTFLMAO... at least you had the common sensce to check the spelling of >> those marques. I seriously doubt you have ever touched one. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > You f.cking believed him :) HMMM! I think he's upset with you Nods? Roger > HMMM! I think he's upset with you Nods? Ron and I are fine. We have the occasional light hearted dig at each other every now and then when we're bored. He knows that it's all tongue in cheek. -- Regards, Noddy. >> HMMM! I think he's upset with you Nods? > > Ron and I are fine. > > We have the occasional light hearted dig at each other every now and > then when we're bored. He knows that it's all tongue in cheek. f.ck your the one who writes the scripts for Home and Away!. You need to be f.cked by Amanda Vanstone. ;-). SignatureRegards Dan >>> HMMM! I think he's upset with you Nods? >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > You need to be f.cked by Amanda Vanstone. ;-). OUCH!!!!! :-) . >> You need to be f.cked by Amanda Vanstone. ;-). >> > OUCH!!!!! :-) Was a bit brutal wasn't it!. ;-). SignatureRegards Dan > f.ck your the one who writes the scripts for Home and Away!. I told you to keeep that quiet, you c.nt :) > You need to be f.cked by Amanda Vanstone. ;-). I was just going to nip off for a quiet tug too. Thanks for giving me a soft on. -- Regards, Noddy. >> f.ck your the one who writes the scripts for Home and Away!. > > I told you to keeep that quiet, you c.nt :) Sorry it slipped out! ;-). >> You need to be f.cked by Amanda Vanstone. ;-). > > I was just going to nip off for a quiet tug too. Thanks for giving me a > soft on. She would be an excellent ambassador for celibacy in over populated 3rd world countries. :-). SignatureRegards Dan > > Lets face it, you are a one eyed bogan. > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > Jaguar would be the absolute f.cking *worst*, and by a very long way. I hate to say it, but that's pretty accurate. I haven't worked on a thousand fezzas, but they'd probably give it a run for it's money. Where I was an apprentice, the bosses son had a fezza (and I don't recall which model, but if I looked at a few fan sites, I'd pick it from the visual appearance I'm sure). I recall this, because after a lot of work had been done, and it still was barely running (And rusting) we then had to move it on trolley jacks as the brakes had seized after a spirited 10-15 minutes of driving then a total cool-down over the weekend. That might not sound like much, but it was far from a rarity with it. and the c.nt had the dough to do it all 'right' > > Even a monkey can pull some thing off an XP > > Falcon and replace it with a new bit and the motors are so simple, the > > same monkey would easily find out what is wrong with it! > > And the problem there would be? KisR (*keep it simple Ron he-he!) SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@earthlink.com abuse@aol.com vice.president@whitehouse.gov president@whitehouse.gov sweep.day@accc.gov.au uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback abuse@iprimus.com.au $LOGIN@localhost world's #1 sardine whisperer root@mailloop.com $USER@$HOST $LOGNAME@localhost -h1024@localhost abuse@msn.com abuse@federalpolice.gov.au fraudinfo@psinet.com abuse@asio.gov.au $USER@localhost abuse@sprint.com abuse@fbi.gov abuse@cia.gov > I hate to say it, but that's pretty accurate. I haven't worked on a > thousand fezzas, but they'd probably give it a run for it's money. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > KisR (*keep it simple Ron he-he!) Rather him than me :) >> Lets face it, you are a one eyed bogan. > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > ignorant fuckwits just *begging* to be ripped off and takes advantage of > it. LOL...pretty much right there. >> The rest of you lot are hopeless and like you, only able to repair GMH >> and Ford. What about the MMAL mechanics in here? > Just to clue you in Ronald, I'm retired now as you know but when I was > working I repaired any number of different marques, including Ferrari, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > public gets the absolute *sh.t* ripped out of them when they buy one and > why I'd never want to own one. Fair comment, that being the case, but does it really matter if some like to waste money? > Jaguar would be the absolute f.cking *worst*, and by a very long way. I'm curious to ask you why there Nods? Are you referring to all Jags or just pre Ford ones? >> Even a monkey can pull some thing off an XP >> Falcon and replace it with a new bit and the motors are so simple, the >> same monkey would easily find out what is wrong with it! > > And the problem there would be? Nothing wrong with that at all as far as I'm concerned. I have easily pulled them apart and put them back together again, but these new ones, no thanks. Roger > -- > Regards, > Noddy. > Fair comment, that being the case, but does it really matter if some like > to waste money? Not at all, and for the record I've seen pictures of one of Ron's Jag's that he's restored, and it looks to be a *lovely* motore car. > I'm curious to ask you why there Nods? Are you referring to all Jags or > just pre Ford ones? I haven't seen any of the "Ford" ones up close, but it's fair to say they wouldn'tt be brilliant because Ford simply isn't. The Pre-Ford ones are all average cars in that they had a lot of good ideas that just *didn't* work in practice, and in typical stiff upper lip English style rather than admit that they got it wrong they just perservered with it for face saving value. Jaguars, by and large, are nice cars to *look* at, but they're also one of the most problematic marques on the planet and I wouldn't wish one on my worst enemy. They have been since the year dot, and you'd go a *hell* of a long way to find an owner who hasn't had shitloads of problems. You'll get that with most makes, as most of them have made one of two offending cars throughout their history, but Jag is somewhat unique in that it seems to be their forte. Passionate Jag owners like Ron simply dismiss it as part of the character of he marque. Everyone else calls it trouble. -- Regards, Noddy. > "Noddy" <me@home.com> wrote in news:48aab461$0$25269$c30e37c6@lon- > reader.news.telstra.net: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > The vast majority of them are still on the roads. Armies choose them > over Jeep. armies also chose the m-16 (which jammed enough for them to find groups of dead GIs in vietnam, all with their rifles in various states of disassembly, desperately trying to get them to work again), and that thing the british army has, they were offered to the palestinians for free, and they said 'no fucken way, we'll stick with rocks thanks' IF anything, that's not a good thing to say about anything -i.e. that a certain armed forces uses it. >They beat the Jap 4WD's hands down in the bush. > Before you start the "Hiclone sh.t" again, the f.cking thing I bought was > on a recommendation of another "Bogan Mechanic" like you. I knew f.ck all > about them, and assumed the mechanic did. I mean this respectfully Ron, but if that is true, there's no way he could be qualified, or if he is, he needs to be f.cking run out of town with pitchforks and banjo music for good measure :) > Needless to say, I do not listen to, or take any car of mine, to a simple > (Bogan) mechanic. Only those who specialise in a certain car or > modification. for the record, I worked at a place that specialised in jags, rovers, lotus, range (and land) rover and volvos as an apprentice. I don't generally have a lot positive to say about most of them with the main exception being the volvos. They (rovers and jags) just aren't that reliable, nor are they that good. I accept people like them, and consider their idiosynchrasies to be signs of character, but don't share the enthusiasm. It was actually hard to keep mechanics in the jag section, they'd want more money or move on. Working on the volvos - no bullshit - you could actually remain fairly clean working on them, and servicing them. With the jags, you'd be covered in slime like lubricants from anywhere underneath that you might be working on them. No word of a lie, you could _probably_ talk me into jag ownership _if_ it had a chevy smallblock conversion. Heck I'd even go a 2jz 6 cylinder conversion. They actually stop better with less weight in them and are nicer to drive. The rest of you lot are hopeless and like you, only able > to repair GMH and Ford. Even a monkey can pull some thing off an XP > Falcon and replace it with a new bit and the motors are so simple, the > same monkey would easily find out what is wrong with it! So you are saying, in effect, that other motors are deliberately made more complex and difficult to repair, without any advantage for all that mess? A simple and reliable design and or idea is it's own reward in terms of reliability, and ease of maintenance. I'm not having a go at you Ron, I consider you a friend, no two ways about that, but sometimes I'm at a loss to understand brand loyalty in general. For example, if someone asked me about minis, or older valiants, no secret I love em, but I'll also type out a laundry list of issues that they have, and potential fixes (or possibly even limitations to their use, driving style, or whatever it takes to get acceptable longevity). I wasn't the mechanical engineer that designed any of these cars, so I don't take it to heart if someone knocks them, and I'll be the first to point out their faults. That's all I'm getting at. The stuff above about Landys, and Jags, that's all it is, about the car/engine, not anything about those who happen to like them. SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@earthlink.com abuse@aol.com vice.president@whitehouse.gov president@whitehouse.gov sweep.day@accc.gov.au uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback abuse@iprimus.com.au $LOGIN@localhost world's #1 sardine whisperer root@mailloop.com $USER@$HOST $LOGNAME@localhost -h1024@localhost abuse@msn.com abuse@federalpolice.gov.au fraudinfo@psinet.com abuse@asio.gov.au $USER@localhost abuse@sprint.com abuse@fbi.gov abuse@cia.gov >> "Noddy" <me@home.com> wrote in news:48aab461$0$25269$c30e37c6@lon- >> reader.news.telstra.net: [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > that's all it is, about the car/engine, not anything about those who > happen to like them. .303 is was and still is one of the most stable battle firearms ever , drop it in most anything but road mix and they still work... Try that with an M1 or 16 > .303 is was and still is one of the most stable battle firearms ever , > drop it in most anything but road mix and they still work... > Try that with an M1 or 16 I'll take the slr over that any day thanks all the same. Big enough round with enough velocity/range to do the dirty, but lighter, less cumbersome, and rapid back up shot if required. not to mention I just think they are beautiful. If I had a .303 (and we lived somewhere where it was all legal to do so) I'd actually cut the bastard down and make a delisle .45acp silenced carbine out of one. Not that I could actually think of a use for one other than it's coolness/talking point nature. SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@earthlink.com abuse@aol.com vice.president@whitehouse.gov president@whitehouse.gov sweep.day@accc.gov.au uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback abuse@iprimus.com.au $LOGIN@localhost world's #1 sardine whisperer root@mailloop.com $USER@$HOST $LOGNAME@localhost -h1024@localhost abuse@msn.com abuse@federalpolice.gov.au fraudinfo@psinet.com abuse@asio.gov.au $USER@localhost abuse@sprint.com abuse@fbi.gov abuse@cia.gov >> .303 is was and still is one of the most stable battle firearms ever , >> drop it in most anything but road mix and they still work... >> Try that with an M1 or 16 > > I'll take the slr over that any day thanks all the same. you might and I would but for normal humans after a few slogging in the wet shitty bush they wimp out , those suckers are heavy I have a Springfield .270 based on a .3006 case and over open sights its a fantastic weapon , it's takes several dozen huge pigs and a brace of deer and goat ( goats great roasted on the camp fire) Big enough > round with enough velocity/range to do the dirty, but lighter, less > cumbersome, and rapid back up shot if required. not to mention I just > think they are beautiful. your a bit strange in the choice , but then you like boys as well :P > If I had a .303 (and we lived somewhere where it was all legal to do so) fsk the legality no one else cares > I'd actually cut the bastard down and make a delisle .45acp silenced > carbine out of one. I cant believe you would when cheap german actions in a .30 are much easier to work on Not that I could actually think of a use for one > other than it's coolness/talking point nature. make your mind up > >> .303 is was and still is one of the most stable battle firearms ever , > >> drop it in most anything but road mix and they still work... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > you might and I would but for normal humans after a few slogging in > the wet shitty bush they wimp out , those suckers are heavy A little extra mass isn't a bad thing for improved accuracy. As to the overall weight, meh, I'm 160, my lunch weighs more. > I have a Springfield .270 based on a .3006 case and over open sights > its a fantastic weapon , it's takes several dozen huge pigs and a brace > of deer and goat ( goats great roasted on the camp fire) No kidding? Sounds interesting. years ago, in a galaxy far far away, a friend of the family had an m1 garand (spelling?) - that thing had some f.cking kick to it, so I'm told. > make your mind up not before you clean up the formatting of your replies..... SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@earthlink.com abuse@aol.com vice.president@whitehouse.gov president@whitehouse.gov sweep.day@accc.gov.au uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback abuse@iprimus.com.au $LOGIN@localhost world's #1 sardine whisperer root@mailloop.com $USER@$HOST $LOGNAME@localhost -h1024@localhost abuse@msn.com abuse@federalpolice.gov.au fraudinfo@psinet.com abuse@asio.gov.au $USER@localhost abuse@sprint.com abuse@fbi.gov abuse@cia.gov > for the record, I worked at a place that specialised in jags, rovers, > lotus, range (and land) rover and volvos as an apprentice. I don't [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > servicing them. With the jags, you'd be covered in slime like lubricants > from anywhere underneath that you might be working on them. No doubt true but the same can be said for any Holden before the VL which had a Jap engine, Falcons and Valiants weren't much better:-) Daryl > No doubt true but the same can be said for any Holden before the VL which > had a Jap engine, Falcons and Valiants weren't much better:-) Not really. Holdens, Falcons and Valiants may have been rough and "unsophisticated" compared to a Jag, but they all absolutely *shat* on any Jag as far as reliability goes. -- Regards, Noddy. >> No doubt true but the same can be said for any Holden before the VL which >> had a Jap engine, Falcons and Valiants weren't much better:-) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > compared to a Jag, but they all absolutely *shat* on any Jag as far as > reliability goes. John mentioned that Jags leak oil but so do old Holden's etc and almost as badly, they may have been more reliable over all but they still pissed oil from every gasket and seal. Daryl > John mentioned that Jags leak oil but so do old Holden's etc and almost as > badly, they may have been more reliable over all but they still pissed oil > from every gasket and seal. Red motors certainly did. Ford and Valiant 6's weren't anywhere near as bad. The thing with red motors though was you could actually stop it if you wanted to. With Jag engines you can glue the c.nts of things up until the cows come home and you'll *never* stop them leaking. -- Regards, Noddy. > The thing with red motors though was you could actually stop it if you > wanted to. With Jag engines you can glue the c.nts of things up until the > cows come home and you'll *never* stop them leaking. I just typed pretty much exactly that (With a few bum sex references for good measure) - before reading this post! SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@earthlink.com abuse@aol.com vice.president@whitehouse.gov president@whitehouse.gov sweep.day@accc.gov.au uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback abuse@iprimus.com.au $LOGIN@localhost world's #1 sardine whisperer root@mailloop.com $USER@$HOST $LOGNAME@localhost -h1024@localhost abuse@msn.com abuse@federalpolice.gov.au fraudinfo@psinet.com abuse@asio.gov.au $USER@localhost abuse@sprint.com abuse@fbi.gov abuse@cia.gov > > for the record, I worked at a place that specialised in jags, rovers, > > lotus, range (and land) rover and volvos as an apprentice. I don't [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > No doubt true but the same can be said for any Holden before the VL > which had a Jap engine, Falcons and Valiants weren't much better:-) Honestly Darryl, and let's not forget this was a high line workshop where the customers practically never questioned the bill, or even asked the bloody amount, even with this no expense spared approach, they were pretty ordinary. Yes the old holdens would leak eventually, but I've had both holdens and hemis, and they don't leak oil, with what I'd consider to be a normal/acceptable level of attention to detail, and sparing use of non hardening sealant in a couple of places. We could never get the bloody jags to do that. It was actually quite eye opening, I went in to the apprenticeship thinking 'f.cking volvo w.nker heap of sh.t' and 'oooh jaguar' - and my opinion basically went to the opposite side of both in short order. In all seriousness, I know their styling doesn't set the world on fire, and I'll give fair warning that the collaborative pug/renault/volvo v6 was so bad I'd rather take it up the arse without lube from a hiv positive illegal immigrant than own one, but the 4 cyl models, were reliable as buggery (to go back to another poo sex reference) SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@earthlink.com abuse@aol.com vice.president@whitehouse.gov president@whitehouse.gov sweep.day@accc.gov.au uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback abuse@iprimus.com.au $LOGIN@localhost world's #1 sardine whisperer root@mailloop.com $USER@$HOST $LOGNAME@localhost -h1024@localhost abuse@msn.com abuse@federalpolice.gov.au fraudinfo@psinet.com abuse@asio.gov.au $USER@localhost abuse@sprint.com abuse@fbi.gov abuse@cia.gov > In all seriousness, I know their styling doesn't set the > world on fire, and I'll give fair warning that the collaborative > pug/renault/volvo v6 was so bad I'd rather take it up the arse without > lube from a hiv positive illegal immigrant than own one, but the 4 cyl > models, were reliable as buggery (to go back to another poo sex > reference) LOL. Simple answer to the PRV is to wait until it falls apart, then fit a SBC and matching gearbox. Works for me. :-) SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. > In all seriousness, I know their styling doesn't set > the world on fire, and I'll give fair warning that the collaborative > pug/renault/volvo v6 was so bad I'd rather take it up the arse without > lube from a hiv positive illegal immigrant than own one, but the 4 cyl > models, were reliable as buggery (to go back to another poo sex > reference) John, That is VERY descriptive (_*_) LOL :) >>> for the record, I worked at a place that specialised in jags, rovers, >>> lotus, range (and land) rover and volvos as an apprentice. I don't [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > models, were reliable as buggery (to go back to another poo sex > reference) No argument about Volvo's from me, a mate had a couple and IMO they were very good cars. IMO the biggest problem causing oil leaks on older engines is caulk gaskets they used, replacing them with rubber solves a lot of leaks. Daryl >>> for the record, I worked at a place that specialised in jags, rovers, >>> lotus, range (and land) rover and volvos as an apprentice. I don't [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > models, were reliable as buggery (to go back to another poo sex > reference) No argument about Volvo's from me, a mate had a couple and IMO they were very good cars. IMO the biggest problem causing oil leaks on older engines is cork gaskets they used, replacing them with rubber solves a lot of leaks. Daryl > Noddy. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Falcon and replace it with a new bit and the motors are so simple, the > same monkey would easily find out what is wrong with it! LOL.....f.cking sh.t! And you call Noddy a "Bogan"? How's the blood pressure pal? Roger >> The Discovery is finally a decent automobile :-) > > Yeah, right :) Well they have the name right! Discovery of oil leaks, creaking constructions, gutless but thirsty V8's, Electrics made by the Amish. Although when working they are not bad for 4 wheel driving and towing heavy crap around so its not all bad. SignatureRegards Dan >>> The Discovery is finally a decent automobile :-) >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Although when working they are not bad for 4 wheel driving and towing > heavy crap around so its not all bad. Oddly enough, mine does not leak oil! It has oil, I've checked :-) This one is no longer gutless and thirsty. Remember, the Commodore has an old Buick V6 that GMH, fixed with a decent electrical system to make the thing perform. Same story with the alloy Buick V8, just needed a decent EFI and ignition system. It now has that :-) >> Although when working they are not bad for 4 wheel driving and towing >> heavy crap around so its not all bad. >> > Oddly enough, mine does not leak oil! It has oil, I've checked :-) Good to know its bad for off road driving especially on a convoy slick up the earth even more makes it harder for the guys behind ya. :-) > This one is no longer gutless and thirsty. Amazing what a ECM change can do. > Remember, the Commodore has an old Buick V6 that GMH, fixed with a > decent electrical system to make the thing perform. Same story with the > alloy Buick V8, just needed a decent EFI and ignition system. It now has > that :-) Ahh yeah the buick V6 had more vibrations than a vibrator. ;-). At least the Buick/Rover V8 has some potential behind it with extra cc's and twin plenum that was in the last SD1's. I always liked the shape of the Rover SD1(3500)'s. SignatureRegards Dan > > The Discovery is finally a decent automobile :-) > > Yeah, right :) has it been discontinued?? SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@earthlink.com abuse@aol.com vice.president@whitehouse.gov president@whitehouse.gov sweep.day@accc.gov.au uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback abuse@iprimus.com.au $LOGIN@localhost world's #1 sardine whisperer root@mailloop.com $USER@$HOST $LOGNAME@localhost -h1024@localhost abuse@msn.com abuse@federalpolice.gov.au fraudinfo@psinet.com abuse@asio.gov.au $USER@localhost abuse@sprint.com abuse@fbi.gov abuse@cia.gov | > > The Discovery is finally a decent automobile :-) | > | > Yeah, right :) | | has it been discontinued?? I've got a defender outside, at least I did have, one of the workers is using it now. There is a Specialist Rover mechanic going to be going to Moresby soon, bet all the owners there will be lined up waiting. They drive like a real 4X4, not like the VX I have been using. They rattle bang and clunk, the TDi goes like a rocket compared to what I was expecting. The driving position feels a lot more cramped than a mini (I'm over 6' and over 100kg) arms tucked in, wiper stalk hitting the knee when on intermitent. Nasty noises when the slop takes up in the driveline. I thorght it would thrash the VX on a windy, steep, clay, rutted 2nd gear low 4X4 track, 750 X 16 conventional mud tyres for grip. Simple answer is NOPE. Both cars were fairly loaded up and the track is about 45 minutes worth and I had driven it many times before. The VX was a bit slower but that was probably due to the high pitched screaming noise that would start as soon as the difficulty level would increase (my mum was in the cruiser). The driver was my brother who is not that experienced at offroading but understands rough roads as we grew up on them. He didn't have nearly as much sliding (he didn't even use the centre lock so it was still in AWD not 4X4) but he did have my wheel tracks to follow in. Overall I prefer driving the cruiser, perhaps water crossings would be better in the defender, it is slightly higher (bastard won't fit in the carport with the roof rack on). I think I'd really prefer a 47 series with a late model TDi motor and g'box for the real bush work. They're rough and rattly too but I'd trust them more than the defender and I wouldn't like to bang up the VX too much. SignatureBrad Leyden 6° 43.5816' S 146° 59.3097' E WGS84 To mail spam is really hot but please reply to thread so all may benefit (or laugh at my mistakes) >| > > The Discovery is finally a decent automobile :-) >| > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > They're rough and rattly too but I'd trust them more than the defender > and I wouldn't like to bang up the VX too much. Try the Discovery, no noises, comfortable and does the same job, or at least the old D1's do :-) Not sure about the new ones or the D2's with that "air suspension" and all the other electrical crap. Hear of a lot of problems with them :-) > Reminds me. > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > west, north to Winton, down to Casino (by different roads) and back to > Brisbane. A lot of wallet raping for a little placebo effect. They sure see you coming. >>>>>> You will before Ford does. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > not according to the people I talk to. they are fools > another thing they are scared of is trying to sell a US sourced yank > mobile to replace them as, Fords experience with US sourced cars is not > what you would consider a raging success down under. you misspelt taurian complete failure > not according to the people I talk to. > another thing they are scared of is trying to sell a US sourced yank > mobile to replace them as, Fords experience with US sourced cars is not > what you would consider a raging success down under. Indeed. We all remember the incredibly popular Taurus, don't we? :) -- Regards, Noddy. >> not according to the people I talk to. >> another thing they are scared of is trying to sell a US sourced yank [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Regards, > Noddy. yes, I've had piles that had more fans:-) Signature"Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color." Don Hirschberg >> not according to the people I talk to. another thing they are scared of >> is trying to sell a US sourced yank mobile to replace them as, Fords [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > We all remember the incredibly popular Taurus, don't we? :) I still remember the proudly made in California sticker on the window. Also I remember a mate that had one went through 4 transmissions as well. Its amazing that 1 set of spark plugs outlast a transmission it really boggles the mind. :-). SignatureRegards Dan >>> not according to the people I talk to. another thing they are scared of >>> is trying to sell a US sourced yank mobile to replace them as, Fords [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Its amazing that 1 set of spark plugs outlast a transmission it really > boggles the mind. :-). Not really, just says the transmissions were pure sh.t. Roger >>>> You will before Ford does. >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > last ever Australian designed and built large Ford ,if it doesn't do > well in the market place. It will survive, believe me. I new MMAL would shut, but I was surprised it dragged on so long, as it did! Ford USA are in deep sh.t! Yes they may can the Falcon, but I don't think so. It may yet become LHD as well. > It will survive, believe me. *Ford* Australia will no doubt survive, but the locally made Falcon won't unless it sells better. > I new MMAL would shut, but I was surprised it dragged on so long, as it > did! Ray Charles could see MMAL was f.cked. > Ford USA are in deep sh.t! > Yes they may can the Falcon, but I don't think so. > It may yet become LHD as well. It may, but you can rest assured that Ford US will not rely on importing Falcons from OZ while it has idle plants with workers that belong to a militant union. If the Falcon turns out to be a saviour for Ford US then you can bet your left nut that Ford US will import only enough to satisfy sales until they get their own tooling up and running and start making it un the US. Just like Pontiac is doing with the VE Commy. -- Regards, Noddy. >> It will survive, believe me. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Just like Pontiac is doing with the VE Commy. Yep, the Yanks will continue to do whatever suits them and as a result continue to go down the toilet. They are all so hopeless at reading what the market wants that it will be a miracle if any of them survive for much longer, by the time they gear up to make smaller cars the price of fuel will have dropped significantly and the market will want big cars. Daryl >>> It will survive, believe me. >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > gear up to make smaller cars the price of fuel will have dropped > significantly and the market will want big cars. Daryl, I believe that maybe the opening for Falcon. Ford as you say have quit the huge 4WD lot and are now trying to build piddly FWD cars. Fuel is already going back as most of us thought it would. (Re run of the 70's). I think Falcon maybe the next yanky mid range. There was talk of a global platform and I have a hunch it may start here. We have the only Ford company that consistantly builds the same size car. >>>> It will survive, believe me. >>> *Ford* Australia will no doubt survive, but the locally made Falcon [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > We have the only Ford company that consistantly builds the same size car. > I agree that the Falcon would be perfect for the US market but for some very strange reason Ford US car don't seem to agree. The Yanks seem to have a lot of trouble adapting to the market or understanding what their customers want. Daryl > The Australian Ford still exists and thrives, unlike the Australian > versions of, Mitsubish, Leyland and Chrysler. Mitsubishi's imports are doing very well. > Mitsubishi's imports are doing very well. They're doing okay, but they're hardly setting the world on fire. -- Regards, Noddy. >> Mitsubishi's imports are doing very well. > > They're doing okay, but they're hardly setting the world on fire. an example of saying something, when you have nothing to say............ > -- > Regards, > Noddy. GrassyNoel <geracen@webace.com.au> wrote in news:bbe6943f-9679-449c-bf03- 6bbf2fd73cfb@n38g2000prl.googlegroups.com: >> The Australian Ford still exists and thrives, unlike the Australian >> versions of, Mitsubish, Leyland and Chrysler. > > Mitsubishi's imports are doing very well. Another idiot! "plonk"!! >> The Australian Ford still exists and thrives, unlike the Australian >> versions of, Mitsubish, Leyland and Chrysler. > > Mitsubishi's imports are doing very well. liar >> The Australian Ford still exists and thrives, unlike the Australian >> versions of, Mitsubish, Leyland and Chrysler. > > Mitsubishi's imports are doing very well. Compared to who? YTD to the end of July. Toyota 147961 Holden 78271 Ford 63933 Mitsubishi 39444 which is a slight improvement on YTD over last year but for the month they are down almost 1000 down compared to the same month last year. http://www.autonews.net.au/static/vfacts/2008july/marque_sales.pdf http://www.autonews.net.au/static/vfacts/2008july/passenger_segment.pdf Daryl > Ford's launch of the FG series also struck me as being very low key, and > maybe that has something to do with it. A local Ford sales knob has offered me to test drive a new FG G6E turbo. if I could be f.cked I might take up the offer tomorrow but their lack of a decent V8 wagon does make it a lot harder of a deal maker. SignatureRegards Dan >> Ford's launch of the FG series also struck me as being very low key, >> and maybe that has something to do with it. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > their lack of a decent V8 wagon does make it a lot harder of a deal > maker. One of my Neighbours Son in Law, works for GMH. (Something to do with engineering and testing) He was the guy who became suddenlt well known for falling asleep at the wheel of a Pontiac GTO in the USA, a few months ago. (Jet Lag). He has just leased a 6 litre Calais Sports wagon, to tow a caravan up to Darwin and back. I believe he also has a Holden something, provided by GMH. > One of my Neighbours Son in Law, works for GMH. (Something to do with > engineering and testing) > He was the guy who became suddenlt well known for falling asleep at the > wheel of a Pontiac GTO in the USA, a few months ago. (Jet Lag). Lucky for me my body has a big spasm before I fall asleep. But the mrs cracks the sh.ts because it scares her. :-). > He has just leased a 6 litre Calais Sports wagon, to tow a caravan up to > Darwin and back. > I believe he also has a Holden something, provided by GMH. Nice I wished Holden would supply me a HSV wagon just to test. ;-). SignatureRegards Dan >> Certainly appears the FG is Ford's biggest chance to get back up there, >> but appears to be doomed like Mitsubishi as just will not make up lost [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > 4500 units per month. Clearly, the demand for bigs cars is still there, > but most favour the Commodore. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Camry and Aurion sales combined outsell the VE Commy.... -- In.other.markets.Aurion.and.Camry.one.and.the.same.model. > The Camry and Aurion sales combined outsell the VE Commy.... Yeah, so do the Corolla and the Getz. Your point? -- Regards, Noddy. "Noddy" <me@home.com> wrote in news:48ae4f69$0$25272$c30e37c6@lon- reader.news.telstra.net: >> The Camry and Aurion sales combined outsell the VE Commy.... > > Yeah, so do the Corolla and the Getz. Your point? Playing with the "philipini rent boy" ? :) > 4. AIR FILTER .......A genuine air filter for both the Honda and Holden came > in around $50 and the Ford's was only $17 Typical Honda. Ripped off spare parts, even on regular service items. Al SignatureI don't take sides. It's more fun to insult everyone. http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html > The latest RACQ "Road Ahead" magazine did an excellent road test on the > Falcon FG G6E, the Honda Accord V6-L and the HoldenVE Calais, with their [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > 4. AIR FILTER .......A genuine air filter for both the Honda and Holden > came in around $50 and the Ford's was only $17 A Commodore air filter is $11. >> The latest RACQ "Road Ahead" magazine did an excellent road test on the >> Falcon FG G6E, the Honda Accord V6-L and the HoldenVE Calais, with their [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > A Commodore air filter is $11. Yup - and one of the Commodore filters is precisely what we buy for the two SR20DET Powered Nissans we have:-) >> The latest RACQ "Road Ahead" magazine did an excellent road test on the >> Falcon FG G6E, the Honda Accord V6-L and the HoldenVE Calais, with their [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > A Commodore air filter is $11. Er......is that a genuine VE Commodore one, or one made in China? If it is the real thing, the RACQ are supplying f.cked information. Roger >> 4. AIR FILTER .......A genuine air filter for both the Honda and Holden >> came in around $50 and the Ford's was only $17 > >A Commodore air filter is $11. Indeed it is (RRP for the genuine part)... and also par for the course for any RACQ "road test", which can always be counted upon to give every co-operating manufacturer's arse the obligatory number of licks, even if they have to distort the facts to achieve it! The April/May issue of "Road Ahead" (which I happen to have lying around) compared "Mid-size AWD's". Namely Subaru Outback 3.0R, Mazda CX-7 Luxury, Hyundai Santa Fe SLX CRDi and Holden Captiva MaXX. (Astute observers will of course realise that there's only one AWD among the lot of them.) Here's their assessment.... Best value: Holden Equipment level: Mazda & Hyundai Operating costs: Hyundai & Holden Fuel economy: Hyundai (it's a diesel) Safety: Mazda Space/practicality: Hyundai Build quality: Subaru & Mazda Ride: Subaru Performance: Mazda Handling: Mazda Off road: Hyundai Conclusion: Mazda & Hyundai (with half a star separating them from the rest) Here's a sample of the fine print, in support of the conclusion.... "Subaru's car-like offering brings a high standard of comfort and refinement, but struggles on performance and value. Which leaves the turbo powered vehicles on higher ground." Here's a couple of the relevant the facts (as provided in the separate table).... The Subaru is $1430 dearer than the Mazda (RRP). The Subaru 0-100kph acceleration time is 1.5 seconds _quicker_ than the turbo'd Mazda. Worst fuel consumption figures obtained in the test were: Subaru 13.1 litre/100km, Mazda 16.8, Hyundai (turbo diesel) 12.9, Holden 16.8. No need to tell you which one I'm buying! ;-) SignatureJohn H >>> 4. AIR FILTER .......A genuine air filter for both the Honda and Holden >>> came in around $50 and the Ford's was only $17 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > give every co-operating manufacturer's arse the obligatory number of > licks, even if they have to distort the facts to achieve it! Just counting the ads for a particular manufacturer is enough to work out why they are biased. > The April/May issue of "Road Ahead" (which I happen to have lying > around) compared "Mid-size AWD's". Namely Subaru Outback 3.0R, Mazda [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > No need to tell you which one I'm buying! ;-) Apart from it being more expensive to buy its easy to workout which is the best of that lot. I wonder how they conclude that the Holden is "best value" with fuel economy like that? Daryl >Apart from it being more expensive to buy its easy to workout which is >the best of that lot. In fact it's not even the most expensive. The deal I got was around $3,000 off RRP and the current touring pack promotion (which I took) is claimed to provide $4,500 worth of (mostly worthwhile) accessories for $500. Not that I bothered to check out the rest... FWD isn't an option I'm prepared to consider! ;-) SignatureJohn H |
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