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KRudd OzCar fallout deepens
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Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF - 19 Jun 2009 09:27 GMT http://www.smh.com.au/national/rudd-ozcar-fallout-deepens-20090619-cno9.html
A Treasury official says the prime minister's office contacted him regarding an Ipswich car dealer who'd previously given Kevin Rudd a ute and was seeking federal government assistance.
The official in charge of the OzCar scheme, Godwin Grech, has told a Senate inquiry he realised the "sensitivity and import" of his statement.
"My understanding (was) the initial contact that I had with respect to John Grant was from the prime minister's office," Mr Grech told the inquiry.
Treasury officials had previously said they'd been unable to locate representations from Prime Minister Kevin Rudd's office to Treasury regarding Mr Grant, who is a neighbour of Mr Rudd's.
Labor senators and fellow Treasury official David Martine spent more than 10 minutes trying to stop Mr Grech answering a question about whether Mr Grech had seen a document from Mr Rudd's office regarding Mr Grant.
Liberal senator Eric Abetz, who asked the question, said he accepted Treasury hadn't been able to find such a document, but that didn't mean one hadn't existed in the past.
When Mr Grech finally answered the question he was clearly emotional.
He prefaced his reply by saying no public servant should be placed in the position in which he found himself.
Mr Rudd has previously said neither he, nor his office, made representations on Mr Grant's behalf.
"Neither I, nor my office, have ever made any representations on his behalf," the prime minister told parliament earlier this month.
Senator Abetz told the inquiry a journalist had suggested to him that there'd been a communication from Mr Rudd's office to Mr Grech, which read as follows:
"The prime minister has asked if the car dealer financing vehicle is available to assist a Queensland dealership, John Grant Motors, who seems to have trouble getting finance.
"If you could follow up on this ASAP that would be very useful."
Opposition Leader Malcolm Turnbull was accused of bullying one of Mr Rudd's senior advisers earlier this week over the existence of the document.
The government released a file note from economic adviser Andrew Charlton on Friday, in which he alleged Mr Turnbull threatened him on Wednesday.
The opposition believes Mr Charlton wrote the document to Mr Grech.
"This whole OzCar issue will be very damaging for you," Mr Turnbull reportedly told Mr Charlton.
"Let me give you some friendly advice. You should not lie to protect your boss. You know and I know there is documentary evidence that you have lied."
 Signature http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ipvdBnU8F8 - KRudd at his finest.
"The Labour Party is corrupt beyond redemption!" - Labour hasbeen Mark Latham in a moment of honest clarity.
"This is the recession we had to have!" - Paul Keating explaining why he gave Australia another Labour recession.
"Silly old bugger!" - Well known ACTU pisspot and sometime Labour prime minister Bob Hawke responding to a pensioner who dared ask for more.
"By 1990, no child will live in poverty" - Bob Hawke again, desperate to win another election.
"A billion trees ..." - Borke, pissed as a newt again.
"Well may we say 'God save the Queen' because nothing will save the governor general!" - Egotistical shithead and pompous fuckwit E.G. Whitlam whining about his appointee for Governor General John Kerr.
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Ördög (The friendly Hungarian Devil in service of aus.politics and Usenet)
Krudd the Dud - 20 Jun 2009 09:33 GMT >Ördög >(The friendly Hungarian Devil in service of aus.politics and Usenet) f.ck off, Quisling.
zedy - 20 Jun 2009 10:48 GMT > On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 05:37:27 -0700 (PDT), Belphegor > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > f.ck off, Quisling. KRudd, fool at best and liar at worst. Corrupt piece of crap dressed up as connected with the australian public and working families. Why any bloke who's missus is work several million needs a busted arse rusty ute for campaigning supplied by the most honest of professionals (used car dealer) has got be either an idiot or a crook. He has lied many times and continues to be a liar
B J Foster - 20 Jun 2009 11:36 GMT >> On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 05:37:27 -0700 (PDT), Belphegor >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > (used car dealer) has got be either an idiot or a crook. He has lied > many times and continues to be a liar You just gave a very good reason why he would *not* be a crook and a liar.
gary - 20 Jun 2009 12:08 GMT >>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 05:37:27 -0700 (PDT), Belphegor >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > You just gave a very good reason why he would *not* be a crook and a liar. was that a splash from a child overboard or from one of sadmans wmds he krud has a lot of catching up to do wot gst
OzOne@Crackerbox-Palace.com - 20 Jun 2009 15:52 GMT >> On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 05:37:27 -0700 (PDT), Belphegor >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >(used car dealer) has got be either an idiot or a crook. He has lied >many times and continues to be a liar So when will Turncoat resign after misleading us all?
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Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF - 20 Jun 2009 16:18 GMT >>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 05:37:27 -0700 (PDT), Belphegor >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > So when will Turncoat resign after misleading us all? Both KRudd and Swann will have to resign once they are exposed.
 Signature http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ipvdBnU8F8 - KRudd at his finest.
"The Labour Party is corrupt beyond redemption!" - Labour hasbeen Mark Latham in a moment of honest clarity.
"This is the recession we had to have!" - Paul Keating explaining why he gave Australia another Labour recession.
"Silly old bugger!" - Well known ACTU pisspot and sometime Labour prime minister Bob Hawke responding to a pensioner who dared ask for more.
"By 1990, no child will live in poverty" - Bob Hawke again, desperate to win another election.
"A billion trees ..." - Borke, pissed as a newt again.
"Well may we say 'God save the Queen' because nothing will save the governor general!" - Egotistical shithead and pompous fuckwit E.G. Whitlam whining about his appointee for Governor General John Kerr.
Belphegor - 21 Jun 2009 02:53 GMT Zedy is fuming:
> the Dud: > > f.ck off Why don't you?
> KRudd, fool at best and liar at worst. Corrupt piece of crap dressed > up as connected with the australian public and working families. Pssssst. Careful, your "born to rule" attitude is showing! BTW what would you now about real working families? Are you still sooooo bloody upset about the rodent not winning the last election, that you can't keep down any longer your blind rage and hatred towards anything that is not appropriately upper class? Who would say that right-extremist whingers in cyberspace have ever truly contemplated a democracy that might not work out in their favour?
> Why > any bloke who's missus is work several million needs a busted arse > rusty ute for campaigning supplied by the most honest of professionals > (used car dealer) has got be either an idiot or a crook. He has lied > many times and continues to be a liar Why would a merchant banker, a super rich millionaire from Bondi be obsessed about becoming a PM ..... Because he is so obsessed with power that he would do anything, anything including bribing, bullying and black-mailing not already lie-beral aligned public servants as well utilising fake electronic documents, and utilising lie-beral connections to media moguls in order to bring down popularly elected governments.
A good all old right wing tactic well known since the Whitlam years.
So there you go.....
Ördög (The friendly Hungarian Devil in service of aus.politics and Usenet)
Krudd the Dud - 21 Jun 2009 08:26 GMT >Ördög >(The friendly Hungarian Devil in service of aus.politics and Usenet) f.ck off, Quisling.
Belphegor - 21 Jun 2009 02:25 GMT the Dud is so enraged!
> f.ck off, .................. I don't think so, Dud sock-puppet. But you may follow your own advice.
Ördög (The friendly Hungarian Devil in service of aus.politics and Usenet)
Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF - 21 Jun 2009 03:37 GMT >> Ördög >> (The friendly Hungarian Devil in service of aus.politics and Usenet) > > f.ck off, Quisling. LOL! Note that Hungarians, especially mad ones, are too stupid to qualify as quislings.
 Signature http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ipvdBnU8F8 - KRudd at his finest.
"The Labour Party is corrupt beyond redemption!" - Labour hasbeen Mark Latham in a moment of honest clarity.
"This is the recession we had to have!" - Paul Keating explaining why he gave Australia another Labour recession.
"Silly old bugger!" - Well known ACTU pisspot and sometime Labour prime minister Bob Hawke responding to a pensioner who dared ask for more.
"By 1990, no child will live in poverty" - Bob Hawke again, desperate to win another election.
"A billion trees ..." - Borke, pissed as a newt again.
"Well may we say 'God save the Queen' because nothing will save the governor general!" - Egotistical shithead and pompous fuckwit E.G. Whitlam whining about his appointee for Governor General John Kerr.
PeterN - 21 Jun 2009 23:13 GMT >>> Ördög >>> (The friendly Hungarian Devil in service of aus.politics and Usenet) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >LOL! Note that Hungarians, especially mad ones, are too stupid to qualify as >quislings. Poor ole DRopkick Sirvile John, still biter that his love bear was kicked out of office.
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Don H - 19 Jun 2009 21:19 GMT http://www.smh.com.au/national/rudd-ozcar-fallout-deepens-20090619-cno9.html
> A Treasury official says the prime minister's office contacted him regarding an > Ipswich car dealer who'd previously given Kevin Rudd a ute and was seeking [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > "Let me give you some friendly advice. You should not lie to protect your boss. > You know and I know there is documentary evidence that you have lied." # A court of law goes mainly by written evidence, as verbal testimony tends to be one version against another - though, if you're caught lying your whole case can collapse in a heap. Hence, unless an email or similar can be unearthed, then all is supposition or allegation, and nothing can be proved. Cynics might claim that an Opposition likes a witchhunt, as it distracts from their own lack of policy. Better to attack probity, and get rid of Ministers one by one, as in Britain, and now here. Someone may have Lied to Parliament! Horrors! As in core and non-core promises, and never, ever, eh? But that is lying to the electorate? Why are pollies ranked only above used-car salesmen in the probity stakes? What was so shocking about Pauline Hanson? Racism? Or saying what she meant, and meaning what she said? An honest politician? Has a politician been raiding the Treasury and salting funds away overseas? Or a somewhat lesser crime, unproven? A sense of proportion may be needed. ================================= The Super(sales) Man ===================== There once was an Honest MP, Promised Bliss, unto You and to Me. But, once Elected, Reneged on Expected; Citing "Prevailing Reality". ====================== Scale of Veracity: ================ (1) Completely Honest ("I cannot tell a lie.") (2) White Lie (done with best of intentions). (3) Half-Truth (bending things a bit) (4) Habitual Liar (not believed when telling truth) (5) Totally Dishonest (Cretan, of Philosophy fame) ======================================= Diogenes, the Cynic, went about in daylight, with a lantern, looking for an honest man. ======================================= Irish Ballad ========== (Tom Lehrer) ====================== About a maid I'll sing a song, Sing rickety-tickety-tin, About a maid I'll sing a song Who didn't have her family long. Not only did she do them wrong, She did evryone of them in, them in, She did evryone of them in.
One morning in a fit of pique, Sing rickety-tickety-tin, One morning in a fit of pique, She drowned her father in the creek. The water tasted bad for a week, And we had to make do with gin, with gin, We had to make do with gin.
Her mother she could never stand, Sing rickety-tickety-tin, Her mother she cold never stand, And so a cyanide soup she planned. The mother died with a spoon in her hand, And her face in a hideous grin, a grin, Her face in a hideous grin.
She set her sister's hair on fire, Sing rickety-tickety-tin, She set her sisters hair on fire, And as the smoke and flame rose higher, Danced around the funeral pyre, Playin' a violin, -olin, Playin' a violin.
She weighted her brother down with stones, Rickety-tickety-tin, She weighted her brother down with stones, And sent him off to Davy Jones. All they ever found were some bones, And occasional pieces of skin, of skin, Occasional pieces of skin.
One day when she had nothing to do, Sing rickety-tickety-tin, One day when she had nothing to do, She cut her baby brother in two, And served him up as an Irish stew, And invited the neighbors in, -bors in, Invited the neighbors in.
And when at last the police came by, Sing rickety-tickety-tin, And when at last the police came by, Her little pranks she did not deny, To do so she would have had to lie, And lying, she knew, was a sin, a sin, Lying, she knew, was a sin.
My tragic tale, I won't prolong, Rickety-tickety-tin, My tragic tale I wont prolong, And if you do not enjoy the song, You've yourselves to blame if it's too long, You should never have let me begin, begin, You should never have let me begin. =================================== Source: www.lyricsfreak.com
SKD - 20 Jun 2009 11:53 GMT Try not w.nk yourself blind over it.
On 19 June, 18:27, "Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF" <malcum.fabian.cooks.a...@mt.barker> wrote:
> http://www.smh.com.au/national/rudd-ozcar-fallout-deepens-20090619-cn... > [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > - Egotistical shithead and pompous fuckwit E.G. Whitlam whining about his > appointee for Governor General John Kerr. Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF - 20 Jun 2009 12:19 GMT SKiDmarx wrote:
> Try not w.nk yourself blind over it. Unlike you, top-posting troll?
 Signature http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ipvdBnU8F8 - KRudd at his finest.
"The Labour Party is corrupt beyond redemption!" - Labour hasbeen Mark Latham in a moment of honest clarity.
"This is the recession we had to have!" - Paul Keating explaining why he gave Australia another Labour recession.
"Silly old bugger!" - Well known ACTU pisspot and sometime Labour prime minister Bob Hawke responding to a pensioner who dared ask for more.
"By 1990, no child will live in poverty" - Bob Hawke again, desperate to win another election.
"A billion trees ..." - Borke, pissed as a newt again.
"Well may we say 'God save the Queen' because nothing will save the governor general!" - Egotistical shithead and pompous fuckwit E.G. Whitlam whining about his appointee for Governor General John Kerr.
Belphegor - 21 Jun 2009 02:19 GMT Dud Sockpuppet (sometimes trolling as LJH-Arse Cleaner, sometimes not) author of the infamous political necrophiliac sock-puppet family of aus.politics lectures on the rules of acceptable trolling:
> SKiDmarx gives a friendly advice: > > Try not w.nk yourself blind over it.
> Unlike you, top-posting troll? ROTFLOL You are the expert, you set the rules of trolling.
Ördög (The friendly Hungarian Devil in service of aus.politics and Usenet)
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