> Did anyone see the show where that brat (P plater) was complaining about
> being booked for not wearing a seat belt while he was sitting stationary in
> his car? I'm trying to imagine a Cop writing the ticket and running
> alongside the drivers door handing it to him at 60k's that's all :)
Let me guess. You didn't use the lights and siren to stop him, but
had seen that he wasn't wearing the seatbelt. When he stopped, you
went and booked him.
I guess he couldn't figure out the bit about having been observed
prior to stopping?

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Shane - 15 Apr 2004 01:53 GMT
> > Did anyone see the show where that brat (P plater) was complaining about
> > being booked for not wearing a seat belt while he was sitting stationary in
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> I guess he couldn't figure out the bit about having been observed
> prior to stopping?
What makes you think it was me? :))) In relation to this story, keep
watching this space.
athol - 15 Apr 2004 02:22 GMT
>> > Did anyone see the show where that brat (P plater) was complaining about
>> > being booked for not wearing a seat belt while he was sitting stationary
>> > in his car? I'm trying to imagine a Cop writing the ticket and running
>> > alongside the drivers door handing it to him at 60k's that's all :)
>> Let me guess. You didn't use the lights and siren to stop him, but
>> had seen that he wasn't wearing the seatbelt. When he stopped, you
>> went and booked him.
>> I guess he couldn't figure out the bit about having been observed
>> prior to stopping?
> What makes you think it was me? :)))
Something about a very familiar signature... :-p
> In relation to this story, keep
> watching this space.
I'll be here. At least some of the time...

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athol - 15 Apr 2004 04:13 GMT
> In relation to this story, keep
> watching this space.
I forgot to ask. You got a nice piccie or two? :-)

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Shane - 16 Apr 2004 01:19 GMT
> > In relation to this story, keep
> > watching this space.
>
> I forgot to ask. You got a nice piccie or two? :-)
Just one :)
athol - 16 Apr 2004 02:14 GMT
> Just one :)
Thought so. So does the police force make ACA make a formal
withdrawal and apology? :-)

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Shane - 16 Apr 2004 02:21 GMT
> > Just one :)
>
> Thought so. So does the police force make ACA make a formal
> withdrawal and apology? :-)
Don't know just yet. Thinking of going to see a lawyer about the stress I've
been placed under since being identified as the alleged guilty party.
feral - 16 Apr 2004 02:46 GMT
> Don't know just yet. Thinking of going to see a lawyer about the stress I've
> been placed under since being identified as the alleged guilty party.
LOFLMFAO
Giving you heaps eh.
T.C. Feral
Noddy - 16 Apr 2004 03:03 GMT
> Don't know just yet. Thinking of going to see a lawyer about the stress I've
> been placed under since being identified as the alleged guilty party.
Lol! :)
It's an occupational hazard. Live with it or get a real job :)
Regards,
Noddy.
Shane - 16 Apr 2004 05:08 GMT
> > Don't know just yet. Thinking of going to see a lawyer about the stress
> I've
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>
> It's an occupational hazard. Live with it or get a real job :)
Twas said in jest.
> Regards,
> Noddy.
athol - 16 Apr 2004 04:07 GMT
>> > Just one :)
>> Thought so. So does the police force make ACA make a formal
>> withdrawal and apology? :-)
> Don't know just yet. Thinking of going to see a lawyer about the stress I've
> been placed under since being identified as the alleged guilty party.
Trial by media. It's worse than getting a speeding ticket. :-p
On second thoughts, you couldn't really call it trial by media.
More like "guilty because we say so". :-(

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On 15/4/04 9:09 AM, in article 407dc4b5@news.comindico.com.au, "Shane"
<sdw@coolcats.net.au> wrote:
> Did anyone see the show where that brat (P plater) was complaining about
> being booked for not wearing a seat belt while he was sitting stationary in
> his car? I'm trying to imagine a Cop writing the ticket and running
> alongside the drivers door handing it to him at 60k's that's all :)
>
> Shane
He didn't seem like a brat to me. Just an arrogant traffic pig looking for
an easy target. Traffic cops are just just the dumb ones that aren't smart
enough to be a detective. It's no wonder they are so much the subject of
repulse by the general public.
J Doe - 16 Apr 2004 01:44 GMT
> On 15/4/04 9:09 AM, in article 407dc4b5@news.comindico.com.au, "Shane"
> <sdw@coolcats.net.au> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> enough to be a detective. It's no wonder they are so much the subject of
> repulse by the general public.
Pretty much
> Did anyone see the show where that brat (P plater) was complaining about
> being booked for not wearing a seat belt while he was sitting stationary in
> his car? I'm trying to imagine a Cop writing the ticket and running
> alongside the drivers door handing it to him at 60k's that's all :)
Funny thing about seat belts. Whenever I get into a car, as driver or
passenger, front or rear, first thing I do is put on the belt, feel
naked without it.
Except in a London black cab. Totally illogical. I wear them in Sydney
taxis, and minicabs in London, but there is something about black cabs
that prevents me from putting on the belt. In fact I don't think I
have ever seen anyone wear a belt in a black cab. I have, however seen
a black cab roll over after a prang, and have seen them invloved in
rear-enders, so it's not a sense that cabs never crash that prevents
the belt from going on.
One of life's little mysteries.
BTW, is it acceptable legally not to have your belt done up when
reversing?
Fraser Johnston - 16 Apr 2004 14:50 GMT
> > Did anyone see the show where that brat (P plater) was complaining about
> > being booked for not wearing a seat belt while he was sitting stationary in
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> BTW, is it acceptable legally not to have your belt done up when
> reversing?
I wear them in everything I get in. I have a scar the size of a 20c piece
on my left elbow where I put it through a windscreen during a crash. If it
wasn't for seatbelts I would be dead. Funny thing is how it is illegal to
wear a 4 point harness on the road. If it wasn't all my cars would have
them.
Fraser
athol - 16 Apr 2004 23:43 GMT
> Funny thing is how it is illegal to
> wear a 4 point harness on the road. If it wasn't all my cars would have
> them.
Not illegal at all. It's just that you have to have retractable seatbelts
if the vehicle had retractors to start with.
Now that the ADR UV degradation criteria has been removed from EU compliant
seatbelts, you could buy some 4-point retractable harnesses - I believe
that "Schroth" make them in Germany.
You would, of course, need to sort out how you were going to fit such belts
to the vehicle - mounting tends to be a problem!
Either that or buy older vehicles. I ran AUS made "Safe-n-sound" brand
4-point harnesses in my HG Ute for several years. Marked to AS-2596.

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Patrick Young - 17 Apr 2004 01:15 GMT
> Either that or buy older vehicles. I ran AUS made "Safe-n-sound" brand
> 4-point harnesses in my HG Ute for several years. Marked to AS-2596.
I've no idea how true this is: however I heard that vehicles built in
Japan, and imported into australia (early 1990's) had to have ADR 04/00
seat belts fitted here in Australia?
athol - 17 Apr 2004 03:06 GMT
> I've no idea how true this is: however I heard that vehicles built in
> Japan, and imported into australia (early 1990's) had to have ADR 04/00
> seat belts fitted here in Australia?
Up until recently, yes. But that's only for imports not built for the
AUS market. The Jap vehicles built for the AUS market were fitted
with ADR compliant market on the production line. If you look at the
ADR compliant belts and Jap market belts, the only visible difference
is the tag.
The minimum width specified for the Japanese belt webbing was
apparently something like 1.8mm narrower than the minimum specified
in the ADR...
AFAIK, the RAWS scheme for low volume imports now allows the original
belts to be retained as long as they are the right type for the
seating position. Eg, retractable lap/sash with locking retractors
in front are okay, but static lap outboard rears have to be changed.
Apparently a company who specialised in making seatbelts for low
volume imports have lost all of their business as a result of this
change of policy and are taking DoTaRS to court...
On a related subject, over-15 year old Mercs from Hong Kong have
usually got ADR tagged seatbelts!

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Patrick Young - 17 Apr 2004 05:43 GMT
>>I've no idea how true this is: however I heard that vehicles built in
>>Japan, and imported into australia (early 1990's) had to have ADR 04/00
>>seat belts fitted here in Australia?
> Up until recently, yes. But that's only for imports not built for the
> AUS market. The Jap vehicles built for the AUS market were fitted
> with ADR compliant market on the production line. If you look at the
> ADR compliant belts and Jap market belts, the only visible difference
> is the tag.
Yes, looking just now, Built by Takata for Toyota. ECE 16.04.82/319.
With an E4 mark no less.
Date stamp matches vehicle build date.
Dunno - still something about Toyota production lines and seat
belts that does not add up (cannot quite remember what it was
I heard - but the belts had to be installed in Aus. before
customer delivery).
> On a related subject, over-15 year old Mercs from Hong Kong have
> usually got ADR tagged seatbelts!
Probably not surprising :-)
athol - 17 Apr 2004 06:57 GMT
> Dunno - still something about Toyota production lines and seat
> belts that does not add up (cannot quite remember what it was
> I heard - but the belts had to be installed in Aus. before
> customer delivery).
Rear seats in extra cab Hiluxes? Before 2000, they were an
expensive option. May have been locally fitted - it was a
very easy install.
Similar story for Commuter buses, which only had 4 belts
(front row, 3rd row left) until 2000 - To derate to 12 seats,
they needed a full complement of belts plus 3 child restraint
anchorages (plus 2 seats removed or disabled).

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William J. Wolfe - 16 Apr 2004 22:22 GMT
> > Did anyone see the show where that brat (P plater) was complaining about
> > being booked for not wearing a seat belt while he was sitting stationary in
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> BTW, is it acceptable legally not to have your belt done up when
> reversing?
Yes. Or when moving forward slowly but not actually going anywhere. I
think in Queensland mik delivery drivers are exempt when actually
delivering milk.
Shane - 18 Apr 2004 02:13 GMT
> > Did anyone see the show where that brat (P plater) was complaining about
<snip>
> BTW, is it acceptable legally not to have your belt done up when
> reversing?
Quite legal while reversing.
feral - 18 Apr 2004 02:31 GMT
> Quite legal while reversing.
Oh shite Shane, be more explishit (sp), they will be going
past me *backwards* next. ;-)
T.C. Feral