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Car Forum / Australian Car Forums / General Car Topics (Australian group) / April 2004Shane, Spooky, MotAdv etc - (Low) Speed Question
On another forum a statement has been made- "There is provision in the traffic act (all states) to book people travelling at 80kph (or slower) in a 100 zone (single lane). Luckily this is at the discretion of the officer at the time and usually depends on the amount of havoc you are causing behind you." Anyone with real knowledge on this one? Urban Myth? (My guess). Marvin the Doubter. > "There is provision in the traffic act (all states) to book people > travelling at 80kph (or slower) in a 100 zone (single lane). Luckily this is > at the discretion of the officer at the time and usually depends on the > amount of havoc you are causing behind you." A long time ago, my older brother got pulled up because he was doing 15 MPH in a 60MPH zone, he was stuck in second and was heading home, I can't remember if he got booked but it was stated as being a traffic hazard. Urban Myth definately wanna bet? > Urban Myth definately Yeah There is no specifically for travelling below the posted speed limit in the Road Transport legislation > wanna bet? > > > Urban Myth definately > Urban Myth definately Not an urban myth, FC holden panel van, Blue, done a heap of gear boxes in number of weeks. > On another forum a statement has been made- > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Marvin the Doubter. I wish it was a real law. Perhaps the dickhead driving at 30km/h in a 90 zone all the way between Kiama and Nowra could have been booked by any available officer the day I was stuck behind them (Australia Day long weekend)... There were about 10 or 15 cars in front of me and countless cars behind me... Took over 2 hours from Wollongong to Nowra due to this dickhead... Normally takes roughly an hour... Fair enough the stated law says 100km/h not 90km/h, but surely the cops could have done something about it if they were there. The car was a Gemini. I know Geminis can reach the speed limit, so the driver had no excuses IMO. Adam > On another forum a statement has been made- > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Marvin the Doubter. Don't know about in Oz, but here in the UK I recall seeing blue minimum speed signs posted on some dual carriageways. I think they have them in continental Europe too. James > On another forum a statement has been made- > > "There is provision in the traffic act (all states) to book people > travelling at 80kph (or slower) in a 100 zone (single lane). Luckily this is > at the discretion of the officer at the time and usually depends on the > amount of havoc you are causing behind you." WA has legislation seperate to the Australian Road Rules on the matter. This is also advised in their current driver manual which you can download on the Web. Look at the section relating to freeway's. NB - Advice in a handbook does not necessarily reflect accurately or effectively applied legislation. Bernd of group will be aware the relevant WA legislation, I must admit to not having chased this up at a national level. Should we do so? For what category or road? 'Just' freeway/motorway??? Personally I'd go for some from of 'mandifcation' on the matter - but 'workability' would concern other folk. Perhaps then a generic advisory to do the polite thing in handbooks would not go astray? JP >> On another forum a statement has been made- >> "There is provision in the traffic act (all states) to book >> people travelling at 80kph (or slower) in a 100 zone (single >> lane). Luckily this is at the discretion of the officer at the >> time and usually depends on the amount of havoc you are causing >> behind you." >WA has legislation seperate to the Australian Road Rules on the matter. >This is also advised in their current driver manual which you can download >on the Web. Look at the section relating to freeway's. >NB - Advice in a handbook does not necessarily reflect accurately or >effectively applied legislation. >Bernd of group will be aware the relevant WA legislation, I must admit to >not having chased this up at a national level. Applies only to "Freeway". http://www.slp.wa.gov.au/statutes/regs.nsf/3c0405a7241b5fe648256810003b1b1d/4924 3df719300861482569930032b42c?OpenDocument (URL may go stale) 12. Minimum speeds on freeways In a freeway speed zone, a person shall not drive a vehicle at a speed that is more than 20 km/h below the speed limit unless - (a) traffic congestion prevents the person from driving the vehicle at a speed that is within 21 km/h of the speed limit; or (b) for any other reason, it is unsafe or imprudent for the person to drive the vehicle at a speed that is within 21 km/h of the speed limit. Modified penalty: 1 PU There are several freeway-class roads around; there used to be more but the government has marked the emergency stopping lanes as cycle-ways. Only two roads are labelled "freeway". >Should we do so? >For what category or road? 'Just' freeway/motorway??? All dual-carriageways with speed limits of 80 km/h or greater. >Personally I'd go for some from of 'mandifcation' on the matter - >but 'workability' would concern other folk. Perhaps then a generic >advisory to do the polite thing in handbooks would not go astray?  Signature/"\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | I'm a .signature virus! X against HTML mail | Copy me into your ~/.signature / \ and postings | to help me spread! > On another forum a statement has been made- > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Marvin the Doubter. I have never read anything about this provision. I would really have to look it up when I get back to work because I know most states didn't agree on many issues when compiling the AAR's. Realistically, each state still has their own traffic laws. > On another forum a statement has been made- > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Anyone with real knowledge on this one? Urban Myth? (My guess). Well, I've been trying for weeks to reply to aus.cars, but bigpond cable is having some sort of glitch with its server. Anyway, I'll try again. Definitely an urban myth. Although if the car doing 80 in a 100 zone is causing all sorts of traffic chaos, a neg drive may (MAY) be appropriate. Spooky >>On another forum a statement has been made- >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Spooky Bugger, they're *both* back. ;-) Emerging from the BigBog. :-P SignatureTake Care. Feral > >>On another forum a statement has been made- > >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Definitely an urban myth. Although if the car doing 80 in a 100 zone > > is causing all sorts of traffic chaos, a neg drive may (MAY) be appropriate. > > Spooky > > > Bugger, they're *both* back. ;-) > Emerging from the BigBog. :-P Wholly cow! My posts are getting through now? Or was this a figment of Bigpond's imagination? :)) Spooky > Wholly cow! My posts are getting through now? > Or was this a figment of Bigpond's imagination? :)) Ven are yuz goings to lernz zat ze German newz serverz are zuperia to ze LargenLaken shitz eh dumbcopf. :-P SignatureTake Care. Feral > > > "Marvin The Paranoid Android" <nospaamforme@hotmail.com> wrote in > message [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Wholly cow! My posts are getting through now? > Or was this a figment of Bigpond's imagination? :)) I thought it had been rather quiet around here for a while, guess we just found out why:-) Daryl > > Well, I've been trying for weeks to reply to aus.cars, but bigpond cable > is having some sort of glitch with its server. Anyway, I'll try again. > Definitely an urban myth. Although if the car doing 80 in a 100 zone > is causing all sorts of traffic chaos, a neg drive may (MAY) be appropriate. To escape from the big swamp news server, get thee to http://www.individual.net/ and sign up for a FREE usenet account. You can use the free account from any ISP. <| Ken Oaf |> did write on 27Apr2004 at 9:11:31 PM > To escape from the big swamp news server, get thee to http://www.individual.net/ > and sign up for a FREE usenet account. You can use the free account from any > ISP. I'll second that. Bloody awful if we go to the trouble of attacking you and you can't get back at us because Tel$tra can't manage a simple news server - especially when they pass the parcel for the fault for a few weeks just to verify their incompetence. SignatureToby quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur Warning: All posts to be treated with a grain of salt. By Order K.K. > > Well, I've been trying for weeks to reply to aus.cars, but bigpond cable > > is having some sort of glitch with its server. Anyway, I'll try again. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > and sign up for a FREE usenet account. You can use the free account from any > ISP. Ken, I've emailed them twice to register and have now been waiting for about 3 weeks for them to send me a user name and password. Spooky > > On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:43:29 GMT, "Spooky" <spooky24042@hotmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Ken, I've emailed them twice to register and have now been waiting for > about 3 weeks for them to send me a user name and password. I suspect they got a large amount of emails when BigPond's newserver dropped its bundle, it may take a while to register but it will be worth the wait. Daryl > Well, I've been trying for weeks to reply to aus.cars, but bigpond cable > is having some sort of glitch with its server. Anyway, I'll try again. > Definitely an urban myth. Although if the car doing 80 in a 100 zone > is causing all sorts of traffic chaos, a neg drive may (MAY) be appropriate. Is there such a charge as obstructing traffic or would that be called neg driving? Daryl > > Well, I've been trying for weeks to reply to aus.cars, but bigpond cable > > is having some sort of glitch with its server. Anyway, I'll try again. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Is there such a charge as obstructing traffic or would that be called > neg driving? Depending on whether it was done on purpose or blindly out of sheer ignorance, would determine whether it was negligent or some other offence, from menacing driving to dangerous driving. Spooky > > > > Well, I've been trying for weeks to reply to aus.cars, but bigpond cable [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Spooky um, wrong Spooky. 125 Unreasonably obstructing drivers or pedestrians (1) A driver must not unreasonably obstruct the path of another driver or a pedestrian. Offence provision. Note Driver includes a person in control of a vehicle see the definition of drive in the dictionary. (2) For this rule, a driver does not unreasonably obstruct the path of another driver or a pedestrian only because: (a) the driver is stopped in traffic; or (b) the driver is driving more slowly than other vehicles (unless the driver is driving abnormally slowly in the circumstances). Example of a driver driving abnormally slowly A driver driving at a speed of 20 kilometres per hour on a length of road to which a speed-limit of 80 kilometres per hour applies when there is no reason for the driver to drive at that speed on the length of road. from ARR's t.. > > > > Well, I've been trying for weeks to reply to aus.cars, but bigpond cable > > > > is having some sort of glitch with its server. Anyway, I'll try again. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > which a speed-limit of 80 kilometres per hour applies when there is no > reason for the driver to drive at that speed on the length of road. Yes, that's right. So, he would get a neg drive or a manner dangerous, or a menacing driving. There's no offence called "Driving too slowly", even though this in istself CAN be an offence. It's like there is no offence called "spitting on someone", even though the Crimes Act forbids it. They would simply be charged with asault. So, I'm not wrong. Spooky > > "Spooky" <spooky24042@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:<ikAjc.882$TT.407@news-server.bigpond.net.au>... [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > Spooky yes you are, the question was: > > > > Is there such a charge as obstructing traffic or would that be called > > > > neg driving? the answer is yes, there is a charge and it is rule 125 of the ARR's titled "Unreasonably obstructing drivers or pedestrians" [snip] >Depending on whether it was done on purpose or blindly out of sheer >ignorance, would determine whether it was negligent or some other >offence, from menacing driving to dangerous driving. And, I suspect, there'd be a fair bit more lattitude given to the slow driver - more benefit of the doubt type stuff, more chance of a warning rather than a ticket, that sort of thing, yeah? Neil --- Neil Fisher / Bob Young Thundercords personal opinion unless otherwise noted. Looking for spark plug leads? Check out http://www.magnecor.com.au > [snip] > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > driver - more benefit of the doubt type stuff, more chance of a > warning rather than a ticket, that sort of thing, yeah? Exactly. Spooky >> [snip] >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Exactly. I'm gonna have to get serious about looking you guys up. When is your shift change, or is that a state secret? ;-) Neil --- Neil Fisher / Bob Young Thundercords personal opinion unless otherwise noted. Looking for spark plug leads? Check out http://www.magnecor.com.au > >> [snip] > >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I'm gonna have to get serious about looking you guys up. When is your > shift change, or is that a state secret? ;-) Shift change is 3.30pm and 11.30pm.......no secret :-) Spooky |
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