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Neil Fisher - 27 Jan 2005 21:06 GMT

It took me a while to find, but it turns out that I was right...

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:42:22 +1100, feral <plonked@home.ru>, after
considering some belly-button fluf, wrote:

[snip]

>> And that's the problem right there - you just can't see how it could
>> possibly be safe to drive at 130km/h.
>>
>I've *never* said that.

So when I said, in the "Speeding? BS!" thread, WRT 130km/h on a
freeway

<quote>

Then you *are* saying it's unsafe, because there's no way that it can
be shown "safe for *all* drivers" and you know it. How could it?

<end quote>

and you replied

<quote>

Exactly, so stop saying it's possible in *this* situation.

<end quote>

you weren't actually saying that 130 was unsafe? And it was
unreasonable of me to infer that that was what you were saying?

Riiight.

Will you now retract?

Neil
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feral - 27 Jan 2005 22:12 GMT

Neil Fisher wrote: more twisted fables:

> It took me a while to find, but it turns out that I was right...

a right twisting, conniving, blatantly lying, snide excuse for
a human.

You're not worth the trouble (for the second time), and for
the observant few out there, a couple of quotes to end with.

> You have *implied* that the road is somehow unsafe at 130km/h.

Yes, not the bitumen or concrete. :-)

_____________________________

> And where median protection *does* exist?

110 + tolerance is Ok for me, in the left lane or center lane
for passing. You want to go faster in the right lane, go for it.

You have noticed *three* lanes Neil. :-)

Two lanes, 110k *only* IMHO. Too much differential at to close
a distance.

____________________________

> And that's the problem right there - you just can't see how
> it could possibly be safe to drive at 130km/h.

I've *never* said that. C'mon. I would love to be able to get
from A to B faster sometimes. It is just not feasible with our
road and traffic situation, in most instances (outback roads
with no traffic and no trees etc excepted). Safer there than
on most of our Freeways, most of the time IMO.

____________________________

BTW your "quote" below was from my post of:

From: feral (plonked@home.ru)
Subject: Re: Speeding? BS!
View: Complete Thread (153 articles)
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Newsgroups: aus.cars
Date: 2005-01-20 15:53:09 PST

Well how about that readers.

> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:42:22 +1100, feral <plonked@home.ru>, after
> considering some belly-button fluf, wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
>
> Will you now retract?

Al is definitely not the weirdest in this NG (sorry Al).

<final flick>

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Feral

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Neil Fisher - 30 Jan 2005 21:17 GMT

>Neil Fisher wrote: more twisted fables:
>
>> It took me a while to find, but it turns out that I was right...
>
>a right twisting, conniving, blatantly lying, snide excuse for
>a human.

Nasty, very nasty. I did *not* lie, as shown below.

As to your quotes, here ya go, with headers...

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Neil Fisher wrote:

> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:05:29 +1100, feral <plonked@home.ru>, after
> considering some belly-button fluf, wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Then you *are* saying it's unsafe, because there's no way that it can
> be shown "safe for *all* drivers" and you know it. How could it?

Exactly, so stop saying it's possible in *this* situation. I
have read right thru this so I know we will get to other
scenarios later on. ;-)

> Perhaps you do - but I'm not the one suggesting that the design is
> somehow wrong.

I have *never* said that the surface design is wrong.

<end quote>

I'll stop there because it's obvious at this point that you had no
more to say on that particular point. I'll happily admit that I
originally snipped part of your reply, but I think it's pretty obvious
that I in no way changed the intent of your comment.

Nor did I say that your opinion was consistent in this matter - as far
as I can tell, you have ranged from it being unsafe (as above) to
being acceptable on dual carriageway where median cross-over
protection exists, to only being acceptable for dual carriageway with
3 lanes each way and median cross over protection, to being more
appropriate for single carriageway roads in remote areas.

What I *did* do was point out that you most certainly *appear* to be
saying, as quoted above, that 130 on dual carriageway is unsafe, which
is at odds with your contention that you've *never* said that. Now
I'll be the first to admit that maybe - just maybe - there is some
alternative interpretation of what you wrote, but I have no idea what
it might be. If you would post such an explaination, then I'll happily
retract *providing* you'll also agree my interpretation is
*reasonable* and that you may have been hasty in condemning me for
saying you implied 130 was unsafe.

Of course, I don't expect *any* reply, let alone something that
doesn't show your usual comtempt and vitriol towards those who dare to
question you, but I s'pose I could be surprised.

Neil
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Michael C - 27 Jan 2005 22:40 GMT

> Then you *are* saying it's unsafe, because there's no way that it can
> be shown "safe for *all* drivers" and you know it. How could it?

Wouldn't that apply to any speed limit?

Michael

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Neil Fisher - 31 Jan 2005 21:03 GMT

>> Then you *are* saying it's unsafe, because there's no way that it can
>> be shown "safe for *all* drivers" and you know it. How could it?
>
>Wouldn't that apply to any speed limit?

Yes Michael, hence the "How could it?". That's just one of ferals
usual tactics - the old "I will support x providing you can show y",
when he knows damn well that y is impossible to show. Thus he can
appear to support x, while actually opposing it. And also say "I've
never failed to support x". Very tricky, innit? You'll also notice
that if you try the same on him, and he bites, he'll black-flag you as
soon as you point out his error, even when he's used the very same
tactic in the same thread - how unsporting!

Neil
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Thundercords
personal opinion unless otherwise noted.
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Check out http://www.magnecor.com.au

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