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Car Forum / Australian Car Forums / General Car Topics (Australian group) / February 2005VW Golf V 2.0 FSI Sportline
Does anybody know of a review of the above? Time to replace the VT soon - it's been a good car - but I want something a little different, this is in the lead of the other vehicles I am considering (Nissan Maxima and Honda Accord Euro). Um - if tis a Wheels or Motor review though, I think I will pass. Good mags to hang on a dunny wall, not much use for anything else. My main question is the build quality - I understand they're built in South Africa, how does the quality stack up? Any other little foibles? Any comments on the 6-speed auto v the similartly cogged manual? TIA Steve These are the main reviews...ive already done lots of research on this car, if i find more reviews will re-post The build quality is excellent, BMW's & Toyotas are also built in seth efrica, so i dont believe there is any comprimise, the entire body is laser welded and it comes with a 12 year paint/corrosian warranty also received 5 Stars in EURONCAP. Most of the parts are made in other coutries( germany, italy and the engines are built in wolfsburg germany. ( I could be slightly wrong on this) & the car is put together/built in seth efrica The AUTO is a 6 speed Tiptronic with DSP ( Dynamic shift program) & is about 0.8 seconds slower than the Manual the TDI comes with the DSG ( Direct Shift Gearbox) Borrowed from Audi. Which is a much better Gearbox and is actually slightly quicker than the Manual, the gear change is instant. Unfortunantly the TDI does not come out in the sportline spec. The major differences between the Comfortline & sportline are 16 inch wheels, sports suspension 15 mm lower. Colourcode side mouldings & door handles, sports seats & trim. however you also loose a heap of options with the sportline compared to the Comfortline. For the same price of the sportline you can get the 2.0 TDI which is wonderful engine and delivers great fuel economy... Im not saying you should buy the TDI, but you should test drive it to compare to the FSI here are the reviews http://www.motorsm.com/AUS/cars/new/Volkswagen/2004_Golf.htm http://www.australiasbestcars.com.au/ http://carpoint.ninemsn.com.au/portal/alias__carpointau/tabID__6485/ArticleI D__6457/DesktopDefault.aspx http://carsguide.news.com.au/news/story_page/0,8269,10484406%255E27286,00.ht ml http://www.nextcar.com.au/n.vw.golf.bca.04nov.html http://yahoo.drive.com.au/editorial/article.aspx?id=8164&vf=1 http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_reports/xrt-vw-golf.htm http://www.drive.com.au/editorial/article.aspx?id=5524&vf=1 Also the Golf V won whatcar in the UK against BMW, Audi, & Volvo, here is a scanned copy of the magazine courtesy of VW UK, this is probably the best review, however the car tested was a TDI GT. http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/assets/pdf/BigGroupTestSepLowRes.pdf > Does anybody know of a review of the above? Time to replace the VT soon - > it's been a good car - but I want something a little different, this is in [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Steve Sorry forgot to mention the Sportline also gets dual zone climate control over semi automatic in comfortline. > These are the main reviews...ive already done lots of research on this car, > if i find more reviews will re-post [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > http://www.motorsm.com/AUS/cars/new/Volkswagen/2004_Golf.htm > http://www.australiasbestcars.com.au/ http://carpoint.ninemsn.com.au/portal/alias__carpointau/tabID__6485/ArticleI > D__6457/DesktopDefault.aspx http://carsguide.news.com.au/news/story_page/0,8269,10484406%255E27286,00.ht > ml > http://www.nextcar.com.au/n.vw.golf.bca.04nov.html [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > > > Steve >These are the main reviews...ive already done lots of research on >this car, if i find more reviews will re-post [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Most of the parts are made in other coutries( germany, italy and >the engines are built in wolfsburg germany. Engines from Salzgitter, or Chemnitz, IIRC. >( I could be slightly wrong on this) & the car is put >together/built in seth efrica The plant code is in the VIN; the letter before the serial number (last 7 digits). It's probably a "U". >The AUTO is a 6 speed Tiptronic with DSP ( Dynamic shift program) & >is about 0.8 seconds slower than the Manual the TDI comes with the >DSG ( Direct Shift Gearbox) Borrowed from Audi. Which is a much DSG is VAG/Borg-Warner co-development, IIRC. Lot's of IIRC tonight because I'm too lazy to check and the wine has fogged my memory. >better Gearbox and is actually slightly quicker than the Manual, >the gear change is instant. Unfortunantly the TDI does not come >out in the sportline spec. Not in Oz. Not yet, anyway. Maybe after the GTI. >The major differences between the Comfortline & sportline are 16 >inch wheels, sports suspension 15 mm lower. Suspension kit can be purchased and fitted by dealer if you ask nicely. It's a VW option that's probably available if you can wait.  Signature/"\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | I'm a .signature virus! X against HTML mail | Copy me into your ~/.signature / \ and postings | to help me spread! > These are the main reviews...ive already done lots of research on this > car, > if i find more reviews will re-post Thanks you Nix and Bernd - most helpful indeed. Looks like the VW's lead in my "next car stakes" just got bigger! :-) Steve >>These are the main reviews...ive already done lots of research on this >>car, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Steve Is it really worth the extra money compared to Astra, Corolla, and Focus? SignatureBen Thomas - Software Engineer - Melbourne, Australia 2001 manual 2.2l Holden Astra SRi - a real pleasure to drive; Michelin Preceda - $250 each but last a lot longer than $200 tyres; Alpine Type S speakers and amp, JVC MP3 CD playing head-unit. Opinions, conclusions, and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my employer shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. >>>These are the main reviews...ive already done lots of research on >>>this car, if i find more reviews will re-post >> Thanks you Nix and Bernd - most helpful indeed. Looks like the >> VW's lead in my "next car stakes" just got bigger! :-) >Is it really worth the extra money compared to Astra, Corolla, and Focus? It depends on what you value. Take a 2.0 TDI for a test drive. Signature/"\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | I'm a .signature virus! X against HTML mail | Copy me into your ~/.signature / \ and postings | to help me spread! >>>>These are the main reviews...ive already done lots of research on >>>>this car, if i find more reviews will re-post [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > It depends on what you value. Take a 2.0 TDI for a test drive. Don't have time. What's so great about it? SignatureBen Thomas - Software Engineer - Melbourne, Australia 2001 manual 2.2l Holden Astra SRi - a real pleasure to drive; Michelin Preceda - $250 each but last a lot longer than $200 tyres; Alpine Type S speakers and amp, JVC MP3 CD playing head-unit. Opinions, conclusions, and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my employer shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. >> It depends on what you value. Take a 2.0 TDI for a test drive. > > Don't have time. What's so great about it? It's nice to drive. Shame about the engine noise. Sarch 320 NM of torque on tap from 1,750 - 2,500 RPM, the pulling power is Execllent Thats more than a Subaru WRX and the same as a V6 Commodore. Fuel consumption of 5.7 Litres per 100KM's, engine is very advanced and driving through the gears feels alot quicker than a Petrol equivalent & overtaking is a breeze, if your lazy you dont even have to Gear down so long as the revs are in the 1,750 - 2,500 range, its a different driving experience. > >>>>These are the main reviews...ive already done lots of research on > >>>>this car, if i find more reviews will re-post [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > relate to the official business of my employer shall be understood as neither > given nor endorsed by it. > 320 NM of torque on tap from 1,750 - 2,500 RPM, the pulling power is > Execllent [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > as the revs are in the 1,750 - 2,500 range, its a different driving > experience. Cool. And what do they cost? SignatureBen Thomas - Software Engineer - Melbourne, Australia 2001 manual 2.2l Holden Astra SRi - a real pleasure to drive; Michelin Preceda - $250 each but last a lot longer than $200 tyres; Alpine Type S speakers and amp, JVC MP3 CD playing head-unit. Opinions, conclusions, and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my employer shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. Its list price is $32,490, where as the Audi A3 2-Door, with the same motor / platform sells for $46,000 > > 320 NM of torque on tap from 1,750 - 2,500 RPM, the pulling power is > > Execllent [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > relate to the official business of my employer shall be understood as neither > given nor endorsed by it. > Its list price is $32,490, where as the Audi A3 2-Door, with the same motor > / platform sells for $46,000 Duh, And virtually everything else the same size and shape sells for less. Unless of course it's also a Euroshoppingtrolley. SignatureToby quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur >> Its list price is $32,490, where as the Audi A3 2-Door, with the >> same motor / platform sells for $46,000 >> > Duh, > And virtually everything else the same size and shape sells for less. > Unless of course it's also a Euroshoppingtrolley. I went for a spin in a Peugeot 307 HDI (2.0L turbo diesel) on the weekend - it goes for $30k - engine noise internally was very low. Certainly had torque, but wasn't as sprightly as a petrol vehicle, although it seemed to accelerate up steep hills easily and made for a very smooth ride. The Peugeot is 66kW and 250Nm whereas the Golf diesel seems to be 77kW and 250Nm (which is strange - didn't someone say 320Nm?) >>> Its list price is $32,490, where as the Audi A3 2-Door, with the >>> same motor / platform sells for $46,000 >>> >> Duh, >> And virtually everything else the same size and shape sells for less. >> Unless of course it's also a Euroshoppingtrolley. >I went for a spin in a Peugeot 307 HDI (2.0L turbo diesel) on the weekend - >it goes for $30k - engine noise internally was very low. Certainly had >torque, but wasn't as sprightly as a petrol vehicle, although it seemed to >accelerate up steep hills easily and made for a very smooth ride. >The Peugeot is 66kW and 250Nm whereas the Golf diesel seems to be 77kW and >250Nm (which is strange - didn't someone say 320Nm?) Wrong Golf diesel... You're looking at the 1.9TDI. You want the 2.0TDI: http://www.volkswagen.com.au/2004/Passenger/golfv/spec.asp?model=2.0comTDI&Car=golfv Signature/"\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | I'm a .signature virus! X against HTML mail | Copy me into your ~/.signature / \ and postings | to help me spread! >>>> Its list price is $32,490, where as the Audi A3 2-Door, with the >>>> same motor / platform sells for $46,000 [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Wrong Golf diesel... You're looking at the 1.9TDI. You want the > 2.0TDI: http://www.volkswagen.com.au/2004/Passenger/golfv/spec.asp?model=2.0comTDI&Car=golfv Aha. That looks a little more exciting. > Its list price is $32,490, where as the Audi A3 2-Door, with the same motor > / platform sells for $46,000 That's Accord Euro money.... not sure a golf is better than that... Richard > That's Accord Euro money.... not sure a golf is better than that... > > Richard Yep, agreed. Especially since you're looking at the FSI (Petrol) model. Why not get a more powerful, better handling, more spacious Accord Euro for very similar money? ... >> That's Accord Euro money.... not sure a golf >> is better than that... ... > Yep, agreed. Especially since you're looking > at the FSI (Petrol) model. Why not get a more > powerful, better handling, more spacious > Accord Euro for very similar money? ... The main reason I would consider the Golf, given the above, is because it's smaller! Also, is it a dead-cert that the Accord is better-handling? I suspect the top-of-the-line Golf is "better equipped" than the base model Accord (which is closest in price). I also dunno if there's a monetary reason to get the turbodiesel Golf here; I'd only get it for gimmick value, or if I enjoyed the chunky torque-curve more. Signature--- Forg! -DUH#6- ---------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------- Brought to you by DUH!Inc. DUH!Inc; Building Synergistic Wellness For All > The main reason I would consider the Golf, given the above, is because > it's smaller! Fair enough, I can understand that. > Also, is it a dead-cert that the Accord is better-handling? I suspect the > top-of-the-line Golf is "better equipped" than the base model Accord > (which is closest in price). The Accord with it's double wishbone suspension front and rear has great handling, with excellent ride comfort. It feels sporty yet comfortable at the same time. As far as features go, the base model accord euro has dual-zone climate control, projection headlamps, plenty of airbags, 6-disc in-dash CD (Golf has single as per drive.com.au), and VSA (stability control). The Golf might have a set of foglamps and heated door mirrors... but I think i'd prefer the 6-disc CD and 140kw... and Honda's drive-by-wire system is exceptionally responsive... much fun for heel-toe shifting ;) > I also dunno if there's a monetary reason to get the turbodiesel Golf > here; I'd only get it for gimmick value, or if I enjoyed the chunky > torque-curve more. I'd get it for economy. But it's not like the Accord Euro is very thirsty, either... CB > 320 NM of torque on tap from 1,750 - 2,500 RPM, the pulling power is > Execllent [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > as the revs are in the 1,750 - 2,500 range, its a different driving > experience. But will it still choke anyone travelling behind it a few years from now? I get interested when I read good reviews of diesels, but every time I pull up behind one at the lights that's more than a year or two old, I shut off my air vents. Most of the time, it's a good call. > The AUTO is a 6 speed Tiptronic with DSP ( Dynamic shift program) & is about > 0.8 seconds slower than the Manual the TDI comes with the DSG ( Direct Shift > Gearbox) Borrowed from Audi. Which is a much better Gearbox and is actually > slightly quicker than the Manual, the gear change is instant. > Unfortunantly the TDI does not come out in the sportline spec. I'm keen to get the TDI 2.0 with DSG but I'll wait until the Sportline scheme is available for this model. Otherwise a nice car to drive. Sarch I really want to take a GTI for a test drive, but they won't be here for a little while. If you'd like to speak to several MK5 owners, visit: http://forums.vwvortex.com/zeroforum?id=137 Pete |
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