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That we'd be in Iraq for months not years, that he wouldn't send more troops and that interest rates wouldn't rise......You were conned again! Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. And you believed him ? HAHAHAAHA Speedy > That we'd be in Iraq for months not years, that he wouldn't send more > troops and that interest rates wouldn't rise......You were conned [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. Nope, as soon as he switched from the issues to that BS about interest rates going thru the roof under Labor, my choice was fully confirmed! >And you believed him ? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> troops and that interest rates wouldn't rise......You were conned >> again! Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. Thats right you'd have to be a w.nker to think he can control interest rates.. Unfortunately Labour need a real leader to win an election. Speedy > Nope, as soon as he switched from the issues to that BS about interest > rates going thru the roof under Labor, my choice was fully confirmed! [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. >Thats right you'd have to be a w.nker to think he can control >interest rates.. > >Unfortunately Labour need a real leader to win an election. > >Speedy Yep, same as the US. People voted against the opposition not FOR the Govt. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > Thats right you'd have to be a w.nker to think he can control > interest rates.. Pity that a lot if not most Aussies are....w.nkers then. I'm in the position to benefit more if interest rate keeps rising.... > That we'd be in Iraq for months not years, that he wouldn't send more > troops and that interest rates wouldn't rise......You were conned [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. >I'm in the position to benefit more if interest rate keeps rising.... And I suppose the 300million he's spending to send the extra soldiers won't hurt either. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. >I'm in the position to benefit more if interest rate keeps rising.... do you run the deposits section of a bank? --- sheik's auto service centre 88 Wilsons Rd Doncaster 3108 (03) 9855 8777, http://www.freewebs.com/sheik_yerbouti specialising in transmission service > I'm in the position to benefit more if interest rate keeps rising.... Directly, possibly. You, me and many others. However in a broad economic sense, it's not a good thing. Rates will slow the economy, the banks will have millions of bad debtors. Ultimately, you will be making less, not more money. > Directly, possibly. You, me and many others. However in a broad economic > sense, it's not a good thing. Rates will slow the economy, the banks will > have millions of bad debtors. Ultimately, you will be making less, not more > money. It isn't that simple. However, to make a point here: the reason that the RBA will raise rates is, simply, to control inflation. Remember the days when inflation was over 10% a year? (I could be mean, and point who was treasurer at the time, but I won't, because it actually isn't relevant. :) In any case, rates are still extremely low. They could easily rise 3 or 4 points and not impact the economy all that much. The folks squealing about the coming rise of half a percent or so are over-committed, but they'll be fine. They'll just tighten their belts and get on with paying their mortgages off. -- Phil > In any case, rates are still extremely low. They could easily rise 3 or > 4 points and not impact the economy all that much. The folks squealing > about the coming rise of half a percent or so are over-committed, but > they'll be fine. They'll just tighten their belts and get on with > paying their mortgages off. 4% on $200,000 is $154 a week. That's a lot of money on a low income. Then again they could just quit beer, cigarettes and pokies. Michael >>In any case, rates are still extremely low. They could easily rise 3 or >>4 points and not impact the economy all that much. The folks squealing [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Michael Maybe phil meant 3 or 4 quarters of a point?  SignatureBen Thomas - Software Engineer - Melbourne, Australia 2001 manual 2.2l Holden Astra SRi - a real pleasure to drive; Michelin Preceda - $250 each but last a lot longer than $200 tyres; Alpine Type S speakers and amp, JVC MP3 CD playing head-unit. Opinions, conclusions, and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my employer shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. > It isn't that simple. However, to make a point here: the reason that > the RBA will raise rates is, simply, to control inflation. Remember the > days when inflation was over 10% a year? You mean when house prices went up at something vaguely resembling the CPI? The current calculation of CPI is arguably totally wrong, as it fails to account for the unsustainable rate of real estate price increases. Factor real estate pricing into the CPI and we've got a CPI well over 10% right now. > In any case, rates are still extremely low. They could easily rise 3 or > 4 points and not impact the economy all that much. The folks squealing > about the coming rise of half a percent or so are over-committed, but > they'll be fine. They'll just tighten their belts and get on with > paying their mortgages off. The ones who are over-commited to the extent that 0.5% is going to lose them the house _couldn't afford the house in the first place!_ Too many idiots paying more than stuff is worth pushes prices up way too far. An interest rate rise to 10% would sort a lot of them out fairly quickly. :-) SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. > The current calculation of CPI is arguably totally wrong, as it > fails to account for the unsustainable rate of real estate price > increases. Factor real estate pricing into the CPI and we've got > a CPI well over 10% right now. Well, maybe. Only about one third of households have mortgages. Of the rest, a third own outright, and a third rent. Of the third with mortgages, most have paid off at least half. So factoring real estate prices and interest rates into CPI is tricky, because only a minority are actually adversely affected. > Too many idiots paying more than stuff is worth pushes prices up > way too far. An interest rate rise to 10% would sort a lot of them > out fairly quickly. :-) That's the stuff, Make 'em pay! :) -- Phil >> The current calculation of CPI is arguably totally wrong, as it >> fails to account for the unsustainable rate of real estate price >> increases. Factor real estate pricing into the CPI and we've got >> a CPI well over 10% right now. > Well, maybe. > Only about one third of households have mortgages. Of the rest, a third > own outright, and a third rent. I'm 35 and not renting. Guess which category I'm in. :-) > Of the third with mortgages, most have > paid off at least half. So factoring real estate prices and interest > rates into CPI is tricky, because only a minority are actually > adversely affected. Yes, but with annual house price rises in the order of 40%, allowing for the fact that rents rise with house prices (although not as fast it seems), if we assume that 25% of people are affected by rising real estate prices, it's going to effectively have a nett effect on the whole economy equivalent to a CPI around 10%... If we assume a higher percentage to factor rents increased, etc., you're closer to 40% of people affected. Factor that into CPI calculations and you're going to end up with a realistic CPI around 10% like I said... >> Too many idiots paying more than stuff is worth pushes prices up >> way too far. An interest rate rise to 10% would sort a lot of them >> out fairly quickly. :-) > That's the stuff, Make 'em pay! :) While you're at it, triple the interest rates on all credit cards. Way too many people are living _way_ beyond their means. As you can see, I can't ever get into politics regardless of some prodding that I've experienced in that direction. My position would be way too unpopular... SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. >>Only about one third of households have mortgages. Of the rest, a third >>own outright, and a third rent. > > I'm 35 and not renting. Guess which category I'm in. :-) Same as me? :-) ps I'm an owner. >>Of the third with mortgages, most have >>paid off at least half. So factoring real estate prices and interest [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > While you're at it, triple the interest rates on all credit cards. Way to go Athol. :-) > Way too many people are living _way_ beyond their means. Athol for premier. Athol, Athol, rah, rah, rah..... > As you can see, I can't ever get into politics regardless of some > prodding that I've experienced in that direction. My position > would be way too unpopular... Oh, are we unpopular, bugger. :-( Oh well, Pesty for parliament, Pesty, Pesty, yip, yip, yip ... I hate politics. 8-) SignatureTake care, Feral >>> The current calculation of CPI is arguably totally wrong, as it >>> fails to account for the unsustainable rate of real estate price [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > 40% of people affected. Factor that into CPI calculations and you're > going to end up with a realistic CPI around 10% like I said... If the dollar looses value against the US dollar it will be far worse then 10% interest rates. Cheers Speedy >>> Too many idiots paying more than stuff is worth pushes prices up >>> way too far. An interest rate rise to 10% would sort a lot of them [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > prodding that I've experienced in that direction. My position > would be way too unpopular... > That we'd be in Iraq for months not years, that he wouldn't send more > troops and that interest rates wouldn't rise......You were conned > again! He's a compulsive liar like his mate in Washington so no-one should be surprised. >> That we'd be in Iraq for months not years, that he wouldn't send more >> troops and that interest rates wouldn't rise......You were conned >> again! > > He's a compulsive liar like his mate in Washington so no-one should be > surprised. Not surprised. Just counting the cost, is all. SignatureToby quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur > >> That we'd be in Iraq for months not years, that he wouldn't send more > >> troops and that interest rates wouldn't rise......You were conned [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Not surprised. > Just counting the cost, is all. You're the last person I would expect to be surprised Tobes ;-) >>That we'd be in Iraq for months not years, that he wouldn't send more >>troops and that interest rates wouldn't rise......You were conned >>again! > > He's a compulsive liar like his mate in Washington so no-one should be > surprised. Well that confirms it . you have nfi . > >>That we'd be in Iraq for months not years, that he wouldn't send more > >>troops and that interest rates wouldn't rise......You were conned [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > Well that confirms it . you have nfi . Says he who prefers to bury his head in the sand. >>> <OzOne> wrote in message > news:e7kl11t86trc7fpnalggbp83qd98nsasjd@4ax.com... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Says he who prefers to bury his head in the sand. Err, that'd sould read hud in th send. SignatureToby quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur >>><OzOne> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Says he who prefers to bury his head in the sand. Simple fact is goatboy I dont like the current govt much , bu tthe thought of labor srewing us again terrifys me dreafully... so I repat you have NO fuking idea if you entertain the though of allowing the opostion into power anytime soon. ( would take an act of god and Gabrials horn to make laboring competent) > >>><OzOne> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > allowing the opostion into power anytime soon. ( would take an act of > god and Gabrials horn to make laboring competent) I actually agree with that, labor is f.cking nowhere but that doesn't mean Little Johnny isn't a a wet rag arsecrawler of a PM and a lying c.nt to boot. >>>That we'd be in Iraq for months not years, that he wouldn't send more >>>troops and that interest rates wouldn't rise......You were conned [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >Well that confirms it . you have nfi . What? You actually believe that Shrub never smoked pot, snorted coke, was arrested, or didn't use his family influence to get out of Vietnam, that he hadn't decided to invade Iraq 'before' he was even elected, and that he didn't have his desertion fron the National Guard covered up? Wow! Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. >>>>That we'd be in Iraq for months not years, that he wouldn't send more >>>>troops and that interest rates wouldn't rise......You were conned [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. of course he had , but so what , would you expect otherwise from a septic ? ( you wanna buy a little bridge in Sydney Mr ?) >>>That we'd be in Iraq for months not years, that he wouldn't send more >>>troops and that interest rates wouldn't rise......You were conned [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> > Well that confirms it . you have nfi . Boy the brainless ones are coming out of the wood work "NFI" :-) More "Smees" than you could poke a stick at... LOL One day they may wake up and realise they are doing quite well, to the other poor pricks on this planet. Then maybe not! Ron >> That we'd be in Iraq for months not years, that he wouldn't send more >> troops and that interest rates wouldn't rise......You were conned >> again! > > He's a compulsive liar like his mate in Washington so no-one should be > surprised. Really? have you ever met the man? or are you just going by the media spin? Having actually met him on a number of occasions, over a number of years, both in an official capacity and in an informal capacity, I can assure you that John Howard is a very sincere and honest man who truly has the best for Australia at heart. I may not always agree with his policies, but I assure you that he acts in what he believes to be Australia's best interest. These days, men of his calibre are extremely rare in politics. Lots of people enter politics with the best of intentions, but are either not astute enough to handle the rigours of politics so they go nowhere, or they end up getting corrupted. Neither has happened to Howard. I would think it very fair to say John Howard is the best Prime Minister this nation has had since Menzies, possibly the best PM ever. >Having actually met him on a number of occasions, over a number of years, >both in an official capacity and in an informal capacity, I can assure you >that John Howard is a very sincere and honest man who truly has the best for >Australia at heart. i do not doubt that is true and for that i admire him. however it is perhaps worth remembering that hitler also had germany's interests at heart. the fact was: he was just plain wrong. --- sheik's auto service centre 88 Wilsons Rd Doncaster 3108 (03) 9855 8777, http://www.freewebs.com/sheik_yerbouti specialising in transmission service > >Having actually met him on a number of occasions, over a number of years, > >both in an official capacity and in an informal capacity, I can assure you [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > however it is perhaps worth remembering that hitler also had germany's > interests at heart. the fact was: he was just plain wrong. Sheik, oh ffs! .. you have GOT to be kidding me if you are seriously trying to compare the two. NFI indeed! Lair, backflip, tricky .. all leftist media spin .. believe what you want. I'm glad John Howard is the leader of THIS fine Country .. not anyone from the 'alternative' government including 'armyboy' Beasley Maybe you think that arse, Senator Bob Brown, would be a good Prime Minister? Good job John .. get on with it! fcuk'n Now can we get back on topic? >I'm glad John Howard is the leader of THIS fine Country .. not anyone from the >'alternative' government including 'armyboy' Beasley Maybe you think that arse, >Senator Bob Brown, would be a good Prime Minister? > >Good job John .. get on with it! if we had another world war howard would be reaching for his pen to sign our armed forces over to the US in an instant with his tongue up dubya's arse! --- sheik's auto service centre 88 Wilsons Rd Doncaster 3108 (03) 9855 8777, http://www.freewebs.com/sheik_yerbouti specialising in transmission service >>I'm glad John Howard is the leader of THIS fine Country .. not anyone from the >>'alternative' government including 'armyboy' Beasley Maybe you think that arse, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > (03) 9855 8777, http://www.freewebs.com/sheik_yerbouti > specialising in transmission service Ummm, Aside from the amusing fact that the shills crawl out from under the can whenever someone hits on their paymaster - I think you've missed something - He's already done that, and didn't even need any sort of 'world' war to get the taste. Now Compulsion.... AKA conscription if you've been suckered with the spin term - there's something the little turd hasn't tried on. Yet. SignatureToby Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. -Mark Twain >Ummm, Aside from the amusing fact that the shills crawl out from under >the can whenever someone hits on their paymaster - I think you've [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Now Compulsion.... AKA conscription if you've been suckered with the >spin term - there's something the little turd hasn't tried on. yes you're right. it's scary really, we make fun of the kiwis but they know when to tell dubya to take his dick out of their sheep. --- sheik's auto service centre 88 Wilsons Rd Doncaster 3108 (03) 9855 8777, http://www.freewebs.com/sheik_yerbouti specialising in transmission service > yes you're right. it's scary really, we make fun of the kiwis but they > know when to tell dubya to take his dick out of their sheep. With respect to New Zealand, they have very little to lose in doing so. It's not like they're high on the list of international targets..... -- Regards, Noddy. >> yes you're right. it's scary really, we make fun of the kiwis but they >> know when to tell dubya to take his dick out of their sheep. > > With respect to New Zealand, they have very little to lose in doing so. > > It's not like they're high on the list of international targets..... Nor WERE we. SignatureToby quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur > Nor WERE we. Hmmm... Don't know about that. Indonesia has had eyes on this "nation of arrogant white 20 million" for some years. -- Regards, Noddy. >> Nor WERE we. > > Hmmm... Don't know about that. > > Indonesia has had eyes on this "nation of arrogant white 20 million" for > some years. I'd believe you if we hadn't been training their uniformed killers and giving them boats and guns and stuff for many of those years. I never really worried about them then because GovCo evidently wasn't:-) SignatureToby quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur >>>Nor WERE we. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I never really worried about them then because GovCo evidently > wasn't:-) How dare you have the audacity to say GovCo was once right. :-P SignatureTake care, Feral > I'd believe you if we hadn't been training their uniformed killers and > giving them boats and guns and stuff for many of those years. > I never really worried about them then because GovCo evidently > wasn't:-) I think that was the reason *why* we were doing all that sh.t, in a kind of "arse lick" way. Considering all the money raised for the Tsunami relief, they're certainly unhappy about our military presence in parts of their country. -- Regards, Noddy. >> I'd believe you if we hadn't been training their uniformed killers and >> giving them boats and guns and stuff for many of those years. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Considering all the money raised for the Tsunami relief, they're certainly > unhappy about our military presence in parts of their country. It's more what the TNI is doing that they don't want us to officially know about than what we're likely to be doing there. Go no further than first chapter of Pilgers 'The new rulers of the world' is worth reading to get a handle on what bastardry the Indonesians are capable of. To each other. And that's waay before East Timor's tale of woe. Aceh is just more of the same. As always, your own GovCo is your biggest enemy - never mind the farken neighbours:-) SignatureToby quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur >> Nor WERE we. > >Hmmm... Don't know about that. > >Indonesia has had eyes on this "nation of arrogant white 20 million" for >some years. how are they going to get across the timor sea or whatever it is up there without getting cut to shreds by F18s? and yes i know F18s are american, but there are plenty of other euro options. and if they did, they can take darwin. congratulations you are the proud new owners of 50 pubs and 5,000,000 slabs of VB :) --- sheik's auto service centre 88 Wilsons Rd Doncaster 3108 (03) 9855 8777, http://www.freewebs.com/sheik_yerbouti specialising in transmission service > how are they going to get across the timor sea or whatever it is up > there without getting cut to shreds by F18s? They have their *own* air force you know, and it's significantly larger than ours. We'd also struggle to get more than 40% of our total air defence aircraft into the sky at any one time. > and yes i know F18s are american, but there are plenty of other euro > options. > > and if they did, they can take darwin. congratulations you are the > proud new owners of 50 pubs and 5,000,000 slabs of VB :) I think our own defence department announced a few years ago that a case study revealed if Indonesia launched a full scale invasion of Australia, they'd get to Sydney within a week, and there'd be very little we could do about it other run south and wait for American help. *if* it comes :) -- Regards, Noddy. >They have their *own* air force you know, and it's significantly larger than >ours. We'd also struggle to get more than 40% of our total air defence >aircraft into the sky at any one time. >I think our own defence department announced a few years ago that a case >study revealed if Indonesia launched a full scale invasion of Australia, >they'd get to Sydney within a week, i've heard opinions both ways on that. our armed forces are designed primarily for defending against such an invasion. if that was really true then it would be a tad embarassing >and there'd be very little we could do >about it other run south and wait for American help. > >*if* it comes :) the flip side is that even if it didn't come in the form of a physical response, the US arms indonesia, which in practice means it tells them what they can and can't do. the US (and australia) gave permission to invade east timor in '73, but i doubt they would allow them to invade australia. --- sheik's auto service centre 88 Wilsons Rd Doncaster 3108 (03) 9855 8777, http://www.freewebs.com/sheik_yerbouti specialising in transmission service > i've heard opinions both ways on that. our armed forces are designed > primarily for defending against such an invasion. What with? :) > if that was really true then it would be a tad embarassing I think "embarrassment" would be the last thing on the average person's mind to be honest. > the flip side is that even if it didn't come in the form of a physical > response, the US arms indonesia, which in practice means it tells them > what they can and can't do. In practice.... > the US (and australia) gave permission to invade east timor in '73, > but i doubt they would allow them to invade australia. To be perfectly honest, I'd doubt if they'd take any notice. They've build up the most powerful military force in the region, and I doubt if it was all just because they like the hardware, or need it to defend some tin pot little regional island with a population of 28 people and 5 monkeys. Indonesia is largely overflowing with people who hate whitey's with a passion, and look at this scarsely populated, recource rich country housing a mere 20 million arrogant infidels with a huge amount of envy and hatred. Nothing would make them happier than to take it over for themselves, and with the US having it's hands full of Iraq at the moment, the time now is ideal. The American State Department predicted a few years ago that Indonesia will eventually invade Australia, and seemed more content to speculate on "when" as opposed to "if".... -- Regards, Noddy. > > i've heard opinions both ways on that. our armed forces are designed > > primarily for defending against such an invasion. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > eventually invade Australia, and seemed more content to speculate on "when" > as opposed to "if".... Indeed, so lets get clever about this and stop f.cking around wasting our money on a war for oil and pour that into boosting our defense force. There seem to be plenty of bored kids around that would benefit from some army discipline so lets get the ball rolling. The yanks can't be trusted anyway, while we are singing the star spangled banner they are probably dealing with the devil for in that they are consistent to the point of predictability. >> > i've heard opinions both ways on that. our armed forces are designed >> > primarily for defending against such an invasion. [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > banner they are probably dealing with the devil for in that they are > consistent to the point of predictability. Only a matter on time till the yanks want some of our natural resources so they better start a war here to come take em hey !.. >Only a matter on time till the yanks want some of our natural resources so >they better start a war here to come take em hey !.. By the time they even consider it, we'll have sold all our resources to Japan ..... and probably not been paid because Japan went broke! Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. >>Only a matter on time till the yanks want some of our natural resources so >>they better start a war here to come take em hey !.. > > By the time they even consider it, we'll have sold all our resources > to Japan ..... and probably not been paid because Japan went broke! Our primary trade with China in mining is now worth over 5 billion!! (Courttesy State Gov Co's SA and WA) China is a good trading partner and on viewing their English language TV service on satellite, CCTV9, they are appreciative of this and run positive programs highlighting Australia, tourism potential and of its desire for greater business and educational links. Thankfully they are not Islamist, but progressive. China has an increasingly mobile and capable population who like to travel. It learns westerns ways f.a.s.t. Japan faces and aging crises and a large portion of its GDP is set for aged welfare, as is appropriate. The Yanks want Japan to take a greater regional military role. > Oz1...of the 3 twins. > > I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > Only a matter on time till the yanks want some of our natural resources so > they better start a war here to come take em hey !.. Actually, with the exception of Vietnam, which is still suffering the horrible effects of the war to this day, countries that have been at war with the US and lost have done exceptionally well out it. America has a great history of blowing the crap out of countries in time of war, and then spending billions to rebuild them to the point were they're *much* better off than before the conflict began. Japan & Germany are excellent examples. If you haven't seen it, try looking for a movie starring Peter Sellers called "The mouse that roared". It's an amusing comedy on this very subject :) -- Regards, Noddy. >> They've build up the most powerful military force in the region, and I > doubt >> if it was all just because they like the hardware, or need it to defend > some >> tin pot little regional island with a population of 28 people and 5 > monkeys. No comparision when compard to India. >> Indonesia is largely overflowing with people who hate whitey's with a >> passion, and look at this scarsely populated, recource rich country [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> with the US having it's hands full of Iraq at the moment, the time now is >> ideal. Won't happen. >> The American State Department predicted a few years ago that Indonesia > will >> eventually invade Australia, and seemed more content to speculate on > "when" >> as opposed to "if".... The US State Department predicts much. Agreed Indonesia has three perhaps four 'quality' fighting battalions, the 524th being one (Special Force) and I can't remember the rest. But they are way off from being able to do that, they are hard pressed 'managing' their own internal affairs, agreed, leaving this to the wandering islamic militias who range from Papua to Achea, bringing love and goodwill:-) At the very most they'd be able to take PNG or perhaps Darwin, but the latter not for that long with logistics in supply being easily targetted by us. > Indeed, so lets get clever about this and stop f.cking around wasting our > money on a war for oil and pour that into boosting our defense force. > There > seem to be plenty of bored kids around that would benefit from some army > discipline so lets get the ball rolling. Pauline suggested much the same thing and was hounded down. The Timor thing has seen Army regorganisation where our primary fighting Division is Darwin based. I do have long term concern as to the lack of Naval facilities in Tasmania and airport runway length issues deep South. > The yanks can't be trusted anyway, while we are singing the star spangled > banner they are probably dealing with the devil for in that they are > consistent to the point of predictability. The Yanks have vital communications assets here on the West coast, they'll not stand by and let these be taken. At the moment the biggest Navy in this region insofar tonnage, is the Indian. It's launched two large battleships in the last year. It's not a run-down backward navy either despite what some neo whites might believe. Their navy is now bigger than the US Pacific Fleet. In the recent Tsunami they held off overseas flight and naval support 'send this to where its needed, we are fine'. On viewing VOA TV on C Band satellite TV last week, the US Air Force Representative appearing before the House Appropriations Committee stated that in recent air exercise's with the Indian Air Force, that India's new Russian made fighters had an edge over America's best, 'outperforming us', 'we are surprised and very impressed'. He admits it's getting 'increasingly, very difficult' to keep up with growing technological powers. The US Air Force is therefore putting much faith into the new F22 having trialled it against the F15 and winning hands down each time in war trials. The US, in an effort to reduce cost, will reduce new equipment order, ships, aircraft carriers and the like, and to keep 'our projective power strong, we'll change crews by air rather than bring them home and have them re-start out' Indonesia is nervous of India, and India couldn't care, nor should it. India trains its women in all matters 'technological', despite the (few) lower classes eliminating newborn females, the modern society recognises women as astute and a necessity for a strong growing India. Younger Indian people enjoy Western style clothing and dance music, (not always to their parents approval), much like non Islamic Asia. Even in Islamic Indonesia some young prefer MTV Indonesia over the restrictive option. I like India, in the war on lunatics, India is a strong 'quite' ally, as is Thailand (Buddhist) which has its own problems with Muslims south along its border with Malaysia.. India has regular naval exercises with China. China is in love with money and business, growing wealthy, its younger people enjoy western lifestyle from music and dance to fine dining. Hell, you can now buy private property in Beijing! One gets the feeling they are 'embarrassed' by their neighbour North Korea. Lets hope they manage a peaceful Taiwan resolution. * NB - HK would in really have to be one of the wealthiest places on earth. We'll not match that. More on India: http://www.spacewar.com/2004/040811125728.1oh09psh.html > More on India: > > http://www.spacewar.com/2004/040811125728.1oh09psh.html And this, pay attention to the last sentence..... Clever. > The US State Department predicts much. Agreed Indonesia has three perhaps > four 'quality' fighting battalions, the 524th being one (Special Force) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > latter not for that long with logistics in supply being easily targetted > by us. We *are* talking about the Indonesia that has the largest military force in the South Pacific region, aren't we? :) > Pauline suggested much the same thing and was hounded down. The Timor > thing has seen Army regorganisation where our primary fighting Division is > Darwin based. I do have long term concern as to the lack of Naval > facilities in Tasmania and airport runway length issues deep South. There's very little in Darwin in terms of defences apart from an air base. The Army decided to move it's battallion of tanks "up north" a few years ago, but changed their minds after the tanks proved to be unsuitable to the climate, and the crews complained of them being too hot without air conditioning :) Coastal patrol is largely left to private subcontractors (when they're airborne, and when they get paid). > The Yanks have vital communications assets here on the West coast, they'll > not stand by and let these be taken. It's nowhere near as vital today as it was during the cold war, and while I don't expect them to let it be taken for free, it'd be interesting to see how quickly they moved to protect it. > At the moment the biggest Navy in this region insofar tonnage, is the > Indian. It's launched two large battleships in the last year. It's not a > run-down backward navy either despite what some neo whites might believe. India is quite incapable of making *anything* of quality, and the Indians themselves have organisational skills only *marginally* better than the Italians :) > Their navy is now bigger than the US Pacific Fleet. In the recent Tsunami > they held off overseas flight and naval support 'send this to where its > needed, we are fine'. Indeed. Being capable of looking after themselves in times of natural disaster doesn't automatically make them a superlative military power, and if it came to the choice of one American ship to 20 Indian ones, I'd take the single yank boat thanks :) The scary thing about a country like India is them having nuclear weapons, when they can't even manage cast iron.... > On viewing VOA TV on C Band satellite TV last week, the US Air Force > Representative appearing before the House Appropriations Committee stated [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > 'increasingly, very difficult' to keep up with growing technological > powers. Of course he did. Such comments have been going on for years, mainly in the interests of budget lobbying for arms of the service. It's a simple tactic that works well for paranoid American politicians. -- Regards, Noddy. >> The US State Department predicts much. Agreed Indonesia has three >> perhaps four 'quality' fighting battalions, the 524th being one (Special [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > There's very little in Darwin in terms of defences apart from an air base. Home of the 75th Squandron, our front line attack force, formerlly based at RAAF Butterworth Malaysia, the place I spent as a 10 - 12 year old! Upgraded docking facilities with the Darwin Mayor and Local Gov Co forever calling on the Fed's for increased defence 'structural' spending. Army: http://www.army.gov.au/1rar/history.htm > The Army decided to move it's battallion of tanks "up north" a few years > ago, but changed their minds after the tanks proved to be unsuitable to > the climate, and the crews complained of them being too hot without air > conditioning :) An issue for MEMA. I wonder then how how newly acquired M1's will hold up, we are upgrading the gsas turbines - some 30% more powerful they say. I'm not an engineer, I'll leave this for you. You recall when that Aussie Bushranger was roadside bombed in Bahgdad - how it stood up to the attack, flattened tyres. I'd have liked to have seen this vehicle close-up. > Coastal patrol is largely left to private subcontractors (when they're > airborne, and when they get paid). Not ideal and I'm not going to argue. One of my former bosess was a Major General KRM QC at the time heading Australia's Army reserves, often in contact with US Forces, now at rest, we use to discuss such matters. My time in PNG and that of an extended family along the border holds good stead my thoughts on our defence. >> The Yanks have vital communications assets here on the West coast, >> they'll not stand by and let these be taken. > > It's nowhere near as vital today as it was during the cold war, and while > I don't expect them to let it be taken for free, it'd be interesting to > see how quickly they moved to protect it. The Bases are just as vital for Ground to Satellite and deep sea communications, without them the Yanks are virtually deaf <<<West >> At the moment the biggest Navy in this region insofar tonnage, is the >> Indian. It's launched two large battleships in the last year. It's not [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > themselves have organisational skills only *marginally* better than the > Italians :) Eeeww... A few years ago I'd have gone along with that, but certainly not now, not by me or the US Pacific Fleet, nor our Navy which openly recognises the ability. >> Their navy is now bigger than the US Pacific Fleet. In the recent >> Tsunami they held off overseas flight and naval support 'send this to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > came to the choice of one American ship to 20 Indian ones, I'd take the > single yank boat thanks :) Cute, take those links provided and read carefully. > The scary thing about a country like India is them having nuclear weapons, > when they can't even manage cast iron.... I'd trust India more than Pakistan. >> On viewing VOA TV on C Band satellite TV last week, the US Air Force >> Representative appearing before the House Appropriations Committee stated [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > budget lobbying for arms of the service. It's a simple tactic that works > well for paranoid American politicians. I know how all this works. I've lived it overseas. Well, these paranoid American politicians were asking the defence Reps why they had reduced thir total budgetry demands when the House was quite willing to fund 326 F22's as opposed to the hundred and 30 or so Defence decided on. > -- > Regards, > Noddy. > Home of the 75th Squandron, our front line attack force, formerlly based > at RAAF Butterworth Malaysia, the place I spent as a 10 - 12 year old! Nice. I flew past it a couple times close enough to take a look, and it didn't look much from the air :) > An issue for MEMA. I wonder then how how newly acquired M1's will hold > up, we are upgrading the gsas turbines - some 30% more powerful they say. > I'm not an engineer, I'll leave this for you. Gas turbines are a tad out of my league too :) > You recall when that Aussie Bushranger was roadside bombed in Bahgdad - > how it stood up to the attack, flattened tyres. I'd have liked to have > seen this vehicle close-up. Yeah, I would also. Looks to be a pretty neat vehicle. Made in Bendigo I believe. > Not ideal and I'm not going to argue. One of my former bosess was a Major > General KRM QC at the time heading Australia's Army reserves, often in > contact with US Forces, now at rest, we use to discuss such matters. My > time in PNG and that of an extended family along the border holds good > stead my thoughts on our defence. I think it was argued in parliament last time our coastal patrols were mentioned that an invasion force could land on a deserted section of coastline and make their way a few hundred km's inlad before ever being noticed, such is the effectiveness of our coast watch program. That may be a little on the extreme side, but there's certainly great holes in the "fly wire".... > The Bases are just as vital for Ground to Satellite and deep sea > communications, without them the Yanks are virtually deaf <<<West Be interesting to see the value they place on them all the same. > Eeeww... > > A few years ago I'd have gone along with that, but certainly not now, not > by me or the US Pacific Fleet, nor our Navy which openly recognises the > ability. Perhaps they're just being kind :) I seriously doubt *anything* of quality could come out of India that would be comparable to what the Russians had 30 years ago. Interestingly, on the subject of "Russian quality", the last airshow I went to down here had a few Rusky planes worth looking at, including the large Antonov's and a couple of their front line fighters, and it was *very* interesting to compare the build quality of these to the likes of a C-5 Galaxy and an F-15. The Rivet work on the Antonovs was bloody *appalling*, and the things looked like they'd been made in someone's back yard, while the Mig's had cockpit displays full of analogue gauges that made them look like an old MG compared to the electronics of the US stuff. It really was an eye opener. The Russian stuff looked 30 years behind in every way. > Cute, take those links provided and read carefully. Don't get me wrong, as I certainly don't deny India is a powerful miltary force, but just not a highly technically advanced one. Well, I don't think so, anyway. I've yet to see a single item come out of India that would remotely be considered anything other than cheap & nasty. > I'd trust India more than Pakistan. I don't think either of them has an impeccable reputation for reliability. > I know how all this works. I've lived it overseas. I don't doubt you. > Well, these paranoid American politicians were asking the defence Reps why > they had reduced thir total budgetry demands when the House was quite > willing to fund 326 F22's as opposed to the hundred and 30 or so Defence > decided on. Bearing in mind that budget funding is influenced as much by the constituency of defence contractors as anything else. -- Regards, Noddy. > > Home of the 75th Squandron, our front line attack force, formerlly based > > at RAAF Butterworth Malaysia, the place I spent as a 10 - 12 year old! [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > It really was an eye opener. The Russian stuff looked 30 years behind in > every way. It wasn't ever fully acknowledged but the mutually assured destruction claim of the cold war was mostly bullshit. The Russians (for the most part) successfully pulled a con job. It's been estimated that probably as many as half of their missiles (during the time of the cuban missile 'shenanigans') worldwide would have blown up before launch. I don't mean the warheads, but the rocket propulsion. I don't know enough about it to comment further, suffice to say that a convincing case for the above was made (I'll try and dig up the literature I read it in) I agree that the might of the US armed forces is often played down by their own people, half to get better funding, but also because of the 'speak softly and carry a big stick' paradigm. If India were to attack anyone, it'd be pakistan. It kind of sh.ts me that people were critical of our government when the last natural disaster (some years ago in india) was not met with enough charity from the west. They've got enough money to spend on a nuclear program though, who is really the ones not helping the Indian people. I view the region as being analogous to an ant hill. It's nearly to the point where it'll collapse in on itself. People have speculated about how quick the US may or may not come to help if we were attacked. I can't comment on it (as frankly I don't know, I can only hope) but I wouldn't mind betting that it weighs heavily on our current government, and factors in their decision to send more troops to Iraq, and to sending people to Afghanistan and Iraq in the first place. In practically any war in the last 100 years, Australians have boxed above their weight (to say the least). But the odds (aren't the statistics something like Indonesia has more troops than we have bullets, so even if we killed one indonesian soldier with every bullet we had, we'd still be wiped out...) are quite significantly worse if Indonesia attacks and we are on our own. At least we know that all the asylum seekers will unanimously volunteer to defend their new home, not one of them would hesitate. God bless em. Actually there's no need to worry. Here's what we do, build a lead lined suitcase, just big enough to house a thermonuclear weapon (big enough to split the planet in half) We buy a plane ticket to Montreal and take it as luggage. Make sure we fly with virgin (the airline, I don't mean we sit next to serial pest). When we get off the plane, the luggage will (no doubt) end up somewhere in SE asia.. tick tock tick tock. SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@msn.com abuse@sprint.com abuse@earthlink.com fraudinfo@psinet.com sweep.day@accc.gov.au uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback $LOGIN@localhost $LOGNAME@localhost $USER@localhost $USER@$HOST -h1024@localhost root@mailloop.com president@whitehouse.gov vice.president@whitehouse.gov abuse@iprimus.com.au abuse@cia.gov abuse@fbi.gov abuse@asio.gov.au abuse@federalpolice.gov.au > It wasn't ever fully acknowledged but the mutually assured destruction > claim of the cold war was mostly bullshit. The Russians (for the most [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > comment further, suffice to say that a convincing case for the above was > made (I'll try and dig up the literature I read it in) They certainly had a shitload of problems with their rocketry. Their launch vehicle for the proposed Russian "moon landing" (I think it was called the M1) was 100% unreliable I believe, with catastrophic launchpad explosions being the norm. There was an excellent doco on the history channel some time ago that looked at the Soviet space program in detail, after the Russians had "opened the doors" and allowed westerners in for the first time. One of the more interesting exhibits in the Russian space museum was the lunar lander that was to be used in their attempt at landing on the moon. It was a very strange looking "machine" that had a crew of one, with the "pilot" standing up working the controls by of hand operated valves that looked as if they'd borrowed them from the nearest fire hose. The whole interior of this thing looked like the cockpit of a W class tram :) > I agree that the might of the US armed forces is often played down by > their own people, half to get better funding, but also because of the > 'speak softly and carry a big stick' paradigm. There's a lot of that in there too. > If India were to attack anyone, it'd be pakistan. It kind of sh.ts me > that people were critical of our government when the last natural [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > every bullet we had, we'd still be wiped out...) are quite significantly > worse if Indonesia attacks and we are on our own. Absolutely. > At least we know that all the asylum seekers will unanimously volunteer > to defend their new home, not one of them would hesitate. God bless em. Lol :) > Actually there's no need to worry. Here's what we do, build a lead lined > suitcase, just big enough to house a thermonuclear weapon (big enough to > split the planet in half) We buy a plane ticket to Montreal and take it > as luggage. Make sure we fly with virgin (the airline, I don't mean we > sit next to serial pest). When we get off the plane, the luggage will > (no doubt) end up somewhere in SE asia.. tick tock tick tock. Sounds like a plan to me :) -- Regards, Noddy. I suggest you google pine gap , there were many telstra / cablers who worked in the area , many hundreds of K of coax and infrastructure are installed , google over the horizon radar and audible detection systems ... might be quite a revalation , ask any ham who has worked the HF bands . sorta sounds like a ranging dukadukaduka across the LF band as well ( you have to hear it) > I suggest you google pine gap , > there were many telstra / cablers who worked in the area , many hundreds [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > sorta sounds like a ranging dukadukaduka across the LF band as well ( you > have to hear it) "Dukadukaduka" On HF radio this sounds like a woodpecker with rising and falling tonal frequency as the signal fluctuates. The Russian version is noticeable. Although Jindalee kicked off back in I recall 1976 and is intended to alert us of South Asia aircraft (and sea) movement, it was by account this system that alerted us to the US Stealth Bomber deployment in the US before public acknowledgement of their existence! Our system picked em up, the Stealth Bombers (53 remain in service, each representing a US State by name). We can see aircraft departing Changi airport, even by reports when the surfs up. >> I suggest you google pine gap , >> there were many telstra / cablers who worked in the area , many hundreds [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> sorta sounds like a ranging dukadukaduka across the LF band as well ( you >>have to hear it) > "Dukadukaduka" On HF radio this sounds like a woodpecker with rising and > falling tonal frequency as the signal fluctuates. The Russian version is > noticeable. The version here in au is a much lower area of the band , sounds a little slower and man is there some power there . > Although Jindalee kicked off back in I recall 1976 and is intended to alert > us of South Asia aircraft (and sea) movement, it was by account this system [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > We can see aircraft departing Changi airport, even by reports when the surfs > up. the other bit that's in central AU is capable of ranging into the Northern hemisphere with astonishing accuracy , mind it consumes an inordinate amount of power to do so "Clockmeister" < http://indonesiaeliteforces.tripod.com/ > Indeed, so lets get clever about this and stop f.cking around wasting our > money on a war for oil and pour that into boosting our defense force. There > seem to be plenty of bored kids around that would benefit from some army > discipline so lets get the ball rolling. f.cking oath clocky! most of us are sick of stupid juvenile thugs that they think they can get away with anything. SignatureRegards Dan "In all of us there is a lawless side like a wild beast, that peers out during sleep" - Jim Steinman >> i've heard opinions both ways on that. our armed forces are designed >> primarily for defending against such an invasion. > >What with? :) Exactly. Makes you wonder why we needed to give all our guns to the Govt, huh? I thought we were supposed to have learned from Vietnam - the key lesson, I would have thought, was that *no* army can occupy a country where they're not wanted, most especially if the population is armed and prepared to fight a "terrorist" style war. Oh sure, it's ok for a few weeks, even a few months, but after that the locals start getting organised, and as the occupying force, you can't trust *anyone*. Neil --- Neil Fisher / Bob Young Thundercords personal opinion unless otherwise noted. Looking for spark plug leads? Check out http://www.magnecor.com.au >> how are they going to get across the timor sea or whatever it is up >> there without getting cut to shreds by F18s? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I think our own defence department announced a few years ago that a case > study revealed if Indonesia launched a full scale invasion of Australia, If that's the case why the f.ck did we send troops to help east timor ? And why the hell didn't we get slaughtered ? They went easy on us ? Please NOTE I know f.ck all about this.. This is a question. > they'd get to Sydney within a week, and there'd be very little we could do > about it other run south and wait for American help. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Regards, > Noddy. > If that's the case why the f.ck did we send troops to help east timor ? Because the Indonesians agreed to it after international pressure was applied. > And why the hell didn't we get slaughtered ? They went easy on us ? "They", as in the Indonesian regular army, weren't actively doing anything to prevent or hamper our efforts over there. However, it's widely known that rebels were backed by Indonesian money and supplies, and "unofficially" trained by Indonesian army personell. I've got a mate who has done two tours over there, and he says less than 10% of what goes on actually makes the papers... > Please NOTE I know f.ck all about this.. This is a question. And a fair one too. For a long time now the Australian Government has recognised Indonesia as the biggest threat to us in our area, and has decided on an "appeasement" policy rather than spending money to boost our military forces. Personally, I think this is a *very* grave error that will bite us on the arse one day, as I honestly believe the Indonesians won't think twice about "past favours" if and when they ever do decide to get rid of us. Relying on American support has been our "trump card" so to speak, but the problems in Iraq have shown that the US military is *far* from an organised and efficient force, and the only reason we followed them into Iraq was to "keep sweet" with them in the event that we'll need their help to defend our own country. I was actually quite surprised a few weeks ago when the Government announced a sizable amount for Tsunami aid, they made it clear that the money was for Indonesia only, despite the many other areas affected, and no one said anything about it. More sucking up to the local bullies :) -- Regards, Noddy. >> If that's the case why the f.ck did we send troops to help east timor ? > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Iraq was to "keep sweet" with them in the event that we'll need their help > to defend our own country. Ya damned if you do and damned if you dont. American's should just use missiles not ground troops past experience has taught them nothing. Blow the sh.t out of it and run. They are now fighting another war that can't be won. > I was actually quite surprised a few weeks ago when the Government > announced a sizable amount for Tsunami aid, they made it clear that the > money was for Indonesia only, despite the many other areas affected, and > no one said anything about it. > > More sucking up to the local bullies :) Johnny Sucking more dick !! > -- > Regards, > Noddy. >>That we'd be in Iraq for months not years, that he wouldn't send more >>troops and that interest rates wouldn't rise......You were conned >>again! > > He's a compulsive liar like his mate in Washington so no-one should be > surprised. He's a bloody politician for christ's sake. What do you expect? SignatureBen Thomas - Software Engineer - Melbourne, Australia 2001 manual 2.2l Holden Astra SRi - a real pleasure to drive; Michelin Preceda - $250 each but last a lot longer than $200 tyres; Alpine Type S speakers and amp, JVC MP3 CD playing head-unit. Opinions, conclusions, and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my employer shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. > That we'd be in Iraq for months not years, that he wouldn't send more > troops and that interest rates wouldn't rise......You were conned [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. He also promised he wouldnt bring in a GST. SignatureDalienX >>That we'd be in Iraq for months not years, that he wouldn't send more >>troops and that interest rates wouldn't rise......You were conned [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > He also promised he wouldnt bring in a GST. And then went to an election based on the GST and hte majority voted for it. Personally I think it's a great system, compared to the old sales tax system. SignatureBen Thomas - Software Engineer - Melbourne, Australia 2001 manual 2.2l Holden Astra SRi - a real pleasure to drive; Michelin Preceda - $250 each but last a lot longer than $200 tyres; Alpine Type S speakers and amp, JVC MP3 CD playing head-unit. Opinions, conclusions, and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my employer shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. >>>That we'd be in Iraq for months not years, that he wouldn't send more >>>troops and that interest rates wouldn't rise......You were conned [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >And then went to an election based on the GST and hte majority voted for it. >Personally I think it's a great system, compared to the old sales tax system. You obviously don't run a business! We collect tax for the Govt, do all the paperwork for them, and get bugger all but a fine if we're a little late. I wonder when I can claim long service from the ATO? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. >>>>That we'd be in Iraq for months not years, that he wouldn't send more >>>>troops and that interest rates wouldn't rise......You were conned [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > I wonder when I can claim long service from the ATO? GST is simple. My business is net based (selling goods I import from China on eBay) and my record keeping makes BAS statements a 2 minute job. SignatureBen Thomas - Software Engineer - Melbourne, Australia 2001 manual 2.2l Holden Astra SRi - a real pleasure to drive; Michelin Preceda - $250 each but last a lot longer than $200 tyres; Alpine Type S speakers and amp, JVC MP3 CD playing head-unit. Opinions, conclusions, and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my employer shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. >> You obviously don't run a business! >> We collect tax for the Govt, do all the paperwork for them, and get [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >GST is simple. My business is net based (selling goods I import from China on >eBay) and my record keeping makes BAS statements a 2 minute job. Bwaaahhahahahahahahhahahahaa! Oh the joys of minimal turnover and miniscule range. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > Bwaaahhahahahahahahhahahahaa! > Oh the joys of minimal turnover and miniscule range. What's so complicated, if you've done your accounting right you just print a report that shows your gst income and gst expenses, put these on the form and your done. An additional bonus is you get interest on the GST money while you've got it. Michael >> Bwaaahhahahahahahahhahahahaa! >> Oh the joys of minimal turnover and miniscule range. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Michael Any one who goes "Bwaaahhahahahahahahhahahahaa!" would have difficulty trying to stay focused :-) > >> Bwaaahhahahahahahahhahahahaa! > >> Oh the joys of minimal turnover and miniscule range. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Any one who goes "Bwaaahhahahahahahahhahahahaa!" > would have difficulty trying to stay focused :-) We appreciate your honesty. >> Bwaaahhahahahahahahhahahahaa! >> Oh the joys of minimal turnover and miniscule range. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Michael Michael, the problem arrives when you deal with people and items that are GST exempt, when invoices arrive "GST included" and you then need to do the divide by 11 BS. I employ a girl who's only job is to account for GST. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. >>> Bwaaahhahahahahahahhahahahaa! >>> Oh the joys of minimal turnover and miniscule range. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > I employ a girl who's only job is to account for GST. How about I design some software for ya mate.. it's easy as. Cheers Speedy > Oz1...of the 3 twins. > > I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. >>>You obviously don't run a business! >>>We collect tax for the Govt, do all the paperwork for them, and get [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Bwaaahhahahahahahahhahahahaa! > Oh the joys of minimal turnover and miniscule range. You got that right. SignatureBen Thomas - Software Engineer - Melbourne, Australia 2001 manual 2.2l Holden Astra SRi - a real pleasure to drive; Michelin Preceda - $250 each but last a lot longer than $200 tyres; Alpine Type S speakers and amp, JVC MP3 CD playing head-unit. Opinions, conclusions, and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my employer shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. >>>>>That we'd be in Iraq for months not years, that he wouldn't send more >>>>>troops and that interest rates wouldn't rise......You were conned [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > GST is simple. My business is net based (selling goods I import from China > on eBay) and my record keeping makes BAS statements a 2 minute job. What kinda goods do you import ? Thanks Speedy > What kinda goods do you import ? > > Thanks > > Speedy Chinese paintings. SignatureBen Thomas - Software Engineer - Melbourne, Australia 2001 manual 2.2l Holden Astra SRi - a real pleasure to drive; Michelin Preceda - $250 each but last a lot longer than $200 tyres; Alpine Type S speakers and amp, JVC MP3 CD playing head-unit. Opinions, conclusions, and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my employer shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. > >>That we'd be in Iraq for months not years, that he wouldn't send more > >>troops and that interest rates wouldn't rise......You were conned [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > And then went to an election based on the GST and hte majority voted for it. > Personally I think it's a great system, compared to the old sales tax system. Yep I like giving Little Johnny a little bit here and there and more than ever too....how much for that roast chicken again? >That we'd be in Iraq for months not years, that he wouldn't send more >troops and that interest rates wouldn't rise......You were conned >again! Not conned at all -- can't even remember him saying it. Had they been core promises I would've made a note. :) -- John H >>That we'd be in Iraq for months not years, that he wouldn't send more >>troops and that interest rates wouldn't rise......You were conned [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Had they been core promises I would've made a note. :) Yeah, I suppose you're right, he didn't promise anything just alluded to things so he couldn't be called out later. Even today the excuse was "Circumstances have changed"...you bet they have, changed from what he wanted you to believe to something closer to reality. and yes I did see the smiley, just venting at the stupidity of the Oz voters. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > That we'd be in Iraq for months not years, that he wouldn't send more > troops and that interest rates wouldn't rise......You were conned [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. Most Aussies seem to not care that he lied because they believe it was him that brought everything under control. Now he has been in there too long to blame the opposition and will have to take it on the chin.Then the ignorant people will have to see the yellow streak. >> That we'd be in Iraq for months not years, that he wouldn't send more >> troops and that interest rates wouldn't rise......You were conned [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >take it on the chin.Then the ignorant people will have to see the yellow >streak. Most people are too stupid to realise that the entire world had high interest rates when Labor was in power and that they were going down when Johnny was elected. he's ridden tha wave now rates are on the rise again, he's worn out his welcome and Labor will inherit the poisoned chalice. I've a good mind to vote Liberal next time just so they get the message. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. You Mitsubishi drivers are a gullible lot. Next you'll be saying "But they promised a 5 year warranty! How can they go out of business?" Brett > That we'd be in Iraq for months not years, that he wouldn't send more > troops and that interest rates wouldn't rise......You were conned [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > That we'd be in Iraq for months not years, that he wouldn't send more > troops and that interest rates wouldn't rise......You were conned [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. If I was younger and fully equipped and able to travel that far, I would do a tour of duty of Iraq, but unfortunately I have got some parts missing, I don't know what is wrong with the younger generation now, a chance of travel, free food, legally allowed to shoot someone, something like Vietnam where lining up a head in the sights and slooooowly sqeezing the trigger brings on a full adrenelin rush, damn, wish I was in one piece, but they wouldn't take me as I am > If I was younger and fully equipped and able to travel that far, I would > do a tour of duty of Iraq, but unfortunately I have got some parts > missing, > I don't know what is wrong with the younger generation now, a chance of > travel, free food, legally allowed to shoot someone, Something about you not having all the bits of your body intact puts me off. > something like Vietnam where lining up a head in the sights and slooooowly > sqeezing the trigger brings on a full adrenelin rush, You seriously need help. I'm not making that as an offhand comment, you seriously need help. Michael >> If I was younger and fully equipped and able to travel that far, I would >> do a tour of duty of Iraq, but unfortunately I have got some parts [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Something about you not having all the bits of your body intact puts me > off. It doesn't put me off at all, in fact, I have gotten used to it and I can survive as well as the next >> something like Vietnam where lining up a head in the sights and >> slooooowly sqeezing the trigger brings on a full adrenelin rush, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Michael I think that you need some help, if you don't get a little bit excited at the thought of blowing someones head apart, seeing it explode in a fountain of red where is your hunting spirit ? the second adrenelin rush bringer is bending a captives head back exposing his or her neck and sticking the issue survival knife in the side >> If I was younger and fully equipped and able to travel that far, I would >> do a tour of duty of Iraq, but unfortunately I have got some parts [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Something about you not having all the bits of your body intact puts me > off. I could do with a new leg, a new lung, a new eye and a few other little things, but I can still aim as well if not weller than the rest of them. Come on Michael, didn't you get any rush when you actually beat up the local bully ? I know I did, even if it was in a really sneaky way, Noddy taught me well. >> something like Vietnam where lining up a head in the sights and >> slooooowly sqeezing the trigger brings on a full adrenelin rush, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Michael Let me take you out one day Michael and you can meel all my friends, well, you can meet the ones who are left, the others blew their heads off after so many hassles with the Government not giving them their entitlements and the ones who came back to what they thought was home and they thought they would get a good reception for going over fighting slopeheads, only to be verbally and physically abused as they landed. It is the same with Iraq, we went over to Vietnam initially as observers and trade teachers, although I would prefer if the men who are going to Iraq were given good equipment, nothing like the sound of a M60 behind you backing you up. I could tell you stories that would make you toes curl up Michael, but I am not sure if you could handle it, the 40 year secrecy act is up now and things can be revealed at last. >> That we'd be in Iraq for months not years, that he wouldn't send more >> troops and that interest rates wouldn't rise......You were conned [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > brings on a full adrenelin rush, > damn, wish I was in one piece, but they wouldn't take me as I am Hang in there, pal, by whatever you have left to hang. One day soon, no doubt, they will. The war parties always get to the point where they'll prop literally anything up there to be shot for their cause. Anything to shield the c.nts that give the orders. Anything. SignatureToby quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur > > That we'd be in Iraq for months not years, that he wouldn't send more > > troops and that interest rates wouldn't rise......You were conned [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > brings on a full adrenelin rush, > damn, wish I was in one piece, but they wouldn't take me as I am yeah Vietnam was did sooo much for those who went there didn't it sad thing is most of those that returned mentally f.cked probably thought just like you did thoughts of killing people and actually doing it are two very different things my guess is if you would have a very different attitude after the fact one other thing you forgot about war they are out to kill you, not the walk in the park you think it is ask all those dead soldiers from any of the wars Kev and if you are en employeee working for a wage wait till the new industial relations reforms are released ever heard of the US's Minimum Wage? remember when he wanted to indroduce the $2/h youth wage?(maccas loved that they could employ 5 people for the price of one) you will be able to be sacked for no reason and to fight it you will have to go to the local Magistrate Court how many could afford to do that on the dole, while you are out cleaning gutters to get your dole sad times ahead Kev > That we'd be in Iraq for months not years, that he wouldn't send more > troops and that interest rates wouldn't rise......You were conned [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > you will be able to be sacked for no reason and to fight it you will > have to go to the local Magistrate Court > how many could afford to do that on the dole, while you are out cleaning > gutters to get your dole > > sad times ahead People might have to actually make themselves a valuable employee and make the company want to keep them. Very sad. Michael > > you will be able to be sacked for no reason and to fight it you will > > have to go to the local Magistrate Court [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > People might have to actually make themselves a valuable employee and make > the company want to keep them. Very sad. well this is true for those that make no effort to actually do any work, mostly Govt employees but a hard worker who is sacked because the boss needs a place for his no hoper kids, the usual real unfair dismaissal cases I have been there and so has my wife, recently lost her job because her boss said she just didn't click(WTF is that supposed to mean), he said her work was fine and he had no problem with it and who did he hire, his sister inlaw this is the type of person JH wants to protect from the unfair dismissal laws and this is the type of person who should have to face these laws to protect the workers it is usually the big business who don't need such laws because the workers are usually the laziest Kev > recently lost her job because her boss said > she just didn't click :-O Surely she could fight that legally? Having said that, I know what it's like to be on the receiving end of unfair dismissal, and I admit I didn't fight it because at the end of the day, I couldn't be bothered. > > recently lost her job because her boss said > > she just didn't click > > :-O > Surely she could fight that legally? if we really relied on her money to make ends meet that would have happened, but for a 24hour/week job it wasn't worth the hassle > Having said that, I know what it's like to be on the receiving end of > unfair dismissal, and I admit I didn't fight it because at the end of > the day, I couldn't be bothered. the other problem is what would it be like working for someone forced to take you back and it cost them money in the process but some people have no choice and have to keep the work they have Kev > the other problem is what would it be like working > for someone forced to take you back and it cost > them money in the process Definitely a large consideration. > the other problem is what would it be like working for someone forced to > take you back and it cost them money in the process Large company it wouldn't matter but it probably would with a small company. I think you can just get a payout and don't have to go back there, especially if you think there would be ill feelings. > but some people have no choice and have to keep the work they have At vulcan one guy was retrenched, fought it and kept his job. He had no problems with the company and vice versa. Michael > People might have to actually make themselves a valuable employee and make > the company want to keep them. Very sad. > > Michael And to a larger extent companies will get rid of good workers because younger ones are cheaper to keep Australia is getting a very immoral country. > > People might have to actually make themselves a valuable employee and make > > the company want to keep them. Very sad. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > younger ones are cheaper to keep Australia is getting a very immoral > country. with brings us back to the youth wage Howard wanted he touted it as being the way for young people to get a job Maccas supported to with great zeal "we could employ anouther 2000 young people" they said at what cost?, sack the 2000 people already employed at a proper low wage and put on another 2000 at 1/5 the cost that really works why would anyone work 40 hours a week for $2/h when they can get the same if not more on the dole and not have to pay travel costs Howard has been waiting since the 70s to f.ck the Australian workers, and now he has a real chance with no opposition in the upper house Kev |
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