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Car Forum / Australian Car Forums / General Car Topics (Australian group) / February 2005Questionable way to avoid a fine.
Would appreciate feedback on this one: http://www.phlog.net/entry/190993 (Snapped in Parramatta, NSW) Surely this is illegal? I mean, what would stop thousands of passenger car drivers doing the exact same thing? DJ! BLOG http://www.phlog.net/user/OzDJ CAMS http://clubduh.com/cam OzDJ@clubduh.com DJ! <derek@ausmicro.com> wrote in news:pctt11le2d1pi1ka0d5d56i9hiro93v3pb@ 4ax.com: > Would appreciate feedback on this one: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Surely this is illegal? I mean, what would stop thousands of passenger > car drivers doing the exact same thing? Any smartarse parking inspector worth their while would cut two holes into the cover. One to view the numberplate, and one to place the fine. Bring it on!! M > DJ! <derek@ausmicro.com> wrote in news:pctt11le2d1pi1ka0d5d56i9hiro93v3pb@ > 4ax.com: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > M Not very smartarse or even worth their while when the parking officer can and will be prosecuted for tampering with a vehicle,( same as vehicle stealing), damaging a vehicle, the cover can be maintained to be part of the vehicle, same as a tonneau cover on a ute or a sport car. Bring that one on !! A parking officer is only allowede to touch a vehicle so that he/she can place the notice under the wiper blade, even then, they don't have to put it under the blade, it is only a coutesy in case the wind blew it away, but again, that is why there is sticky tape on the notice Parking inspector does not have the power to remove the cover or damage it to access the number plate. However, all vehicles (other those specifically exempt under the RTA such as bicycles) must display a registration number at all times when on a road or road related area under the Road Traffic Act. The motor bike is therefore comitting an offence under the Road Traffic Act. This is a police matter who have capacity to issue infringement notice. Smartarse parking inspector could call police who would then take reasonable action to determine the registration number (i.e. remove the cover) and write out infrigement notice for breach of RTA. Parking inspector then has acess to reg no to leave a parking ticket. Double fine=Dumb.  Signaturelucy > Parking inspector does not have the power to remove the cover or damage > it to access the number plate. However, all vehicles (other those Rubbish. You can lift the cover up and record the number plate. Whether you put the cover back or not, is completely up to you. Personally, I would put the cover back - after I had placed the fine (every hour) on the seat. > specifically exempt under the RTA such as bicycles) must display a > registration number at all times when on a road or road related area > under the Road Traffic Act. The motor bike is therefore comitting an Read the act again. There are many exemptions. > offence under the Road Traffic Act. This is a police matter who have > capacity to issue infringement notice. ...as does a parking inspector, if a specific offence is being comitted. > Smartarse parking inspector could call police who would then take If he called me, I'd tell him to stop being so lazy, and lift the cover up and record the rego number, the engine number and the registration label number. Spooky > reasonable action to determine the registration number (i.e. remove the > cover) and write out infrigement notice for breach of RTA. Parking > inspector then has acess to reg no to leave a parking ticket. Double > fine=Dumb. > Parking inspector does not have the power to remove the cover or damage > it to access the number plate. However, all vehicles (other those[/color] Rubbish. You can lift the cover up and record the number plate. Whether you put the cover back or not, is completely up to you. Personally, I would put the cover back - after I had placed the fine (every hour) on the seat. You are talking out of your consierable arse again spooky. Take a look at the bloody picture and see what would be required to get access to the plate. As others have said no council officer in his right mind would risk the damage and resultant litigation that may result from following your advice. > specifically exempt under the RTA such as bicycles) must display a > registration number at all times when on a road or road related area > under the Road Traffic Act. The motor bike is therefore comitting an Read the act again. There are many exemptions. Read my post again and this time engage your brain. I referred to bicycle as an example of the exemptions that apply not the only one. Signaturelucy >> Parking inspector does not have the power to remove the cover or > damage [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > would risk the damage and resultant litigation that may result from > following your advice. That's just wishful thinking. Of course they would move the cover to see the plate. Are you serious? Alarmingly, I think you are. Just cover it up and it will go away, right? :)))))))))))))) Lucy, don't post what you think, just post what you know. I look forward to the blank space. Spooky Spooky Wrote: > Lucy, don't post what you think, just post what you know. > Spooky Didn't know your jurisdiction extended to the www. Just remember that some of us mere mortals just like to think about what we know. Signaturelucy > Spooky Wrote: >> Lucy, don't post what you think, just post what you know. >> Spooky > > Didn't know your jurisdiction extended to the www. Just remember that > some of us mere mortals just like to think about what we know. Fair enough......... Spooky >> DJ! <derek@ausmicro.com> wrote in >> news:pctt11le2d1pi1ka0d5d56i9hiro93v3pb@ > Not very smartarse or even worth their while when the parking officer can > and will be prosecuted for tampering with a vehicle,( same as vehicle LOL > stealing), damaging a vehicle, the cover can be maintained to be part of > the vehicle, same as a tonneau cover on a ute or a sport car. LOL..... > Bring that one on !! okey dokey :)))))))) > A parking officer is only allowede to touch a vehicle so that he/she can > place the notice under the wiper blade, even then, they don't have to put > it LOL > under the blade, it is only a coutesy in case the wind blew it away, but > again, that is why there is sticky tape on the notice Spooky >>> DJ! <derek@ausmicro.com> wrote in >>> news:pctt11le2d1pi1ka0d5d56i9hiro93v3pb@ [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > okey dokey :)))))))) The I will see you in court Spooky if it ever eventuates >> A parking officer is only allowed to touch a vehicle so that he/she can >> place the notice under the wiper blade, even then, they don't have to put >> it > > LOL Maybe Spooky, I should have said, damage a cover >> under the blade, it is only a courtesy in case the wind blew it away, but >> again, that is why there is sticky tape on the notice > > Spooky Laugh all you like Spooky, I will go by technicalities as you do and I will beat any parking officer who damages my cover , he should wait till the owner comes back and removes the cover, then he can get what he wants, but then, is he going to wait ? >>>> DJ! <derek@ausmicro.com> wrote in >>>> news:pctt11le2d1pi1ka0d5d56i9hiro93v3pb@ >>> Not very smartarse or even worth their while when the parking >>> officer can and will be prosecuted for tampering with a >>> vehicle,( same as vehicle >> LOL >>> stealing), damaging a vehicle, the cover can be maintained to be >>> part of the vehicle, same as a tonneau cover on a ute or a sport >>> car. >> LOL..... >>> Bring that one on !! >> okey dokey :)))))))) >The I will see you in court Spooky if it ever eventuates >>> A parking officer is only allowed to touch a vehicle so that >>> he/she can place the notice under the wiper blade, even then, >>> they don't have to put it >> LOL >Maybe Spooky, I should have said, damage a cover >>> under the blade, it is only a courtesy in case the wind blew it away, but >>> again, that is why there is sticky tape on the notice >Laugh all you like Spooky, >I will go by technicalities as you do and I will beat any parking >officer who damages my cover , he should wait till the owner comes >back and removes the cover, then he can get what he wants, but >then, is he going to wait ? Failure to display registration plates on a vehicle parked in a public throroughfare; or perhaps parking a unregistered vehicle in a public thoroughfare... something of that comes to mind as being suitably-severe offences. Around here, you get a very large, dayglo orange sticker placed on the vehicle. Or it's cover if you prefer! If the vehicle with the sticker is there a couple of days later, it's impounded. Signature/"\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | I'm a .signature virus! X against HTML mail | Copy me into your ~/.signature / \ and postings | to help me spread! >Failure to display registration plates on a vehicle parked in >a public throroughfare; or perhaps parking a unregistered vehicle in >a public thoroughfare... something of that comes to mind as being >suitably-severe offences. I was somewhere a few months ago where I noticed cars parked on the street with covers, and a little clear window to display the rego sticker and resident parking permit.....where was that!? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. >>Failure to display registration plates on a vehicle parked in >>a public throroughfare; or perhaps parking a unregistered vehicle in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > street with covers, and a little clear window to display the rego > sticker and resident parking permit.....where was that!? Haven't seen any of those yet, but it sounds interesting There may be a regulation passed where any cover has to have a clear window, but then again, who places the registration sticker in the exact place where the cover makers put the window? > Oz1...of the 3 twins. > > I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. >>>Failure to display registration plates on a vehicle parked in >>>a public throroughfare; or perhaps parking a unregistered vehicle in [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >but then again, who places the registration sticker in the exact place where >the cover makers put the window? Then it'd be your responsibility to ensure the window or sticker was in the right place. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. >>>>Failure to display registration plates on a vehicle parked in >>>>a public throroughfare; or perhaps parking a unregistered vehicle in [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Then it'd be your responsibility to ensure the window or sticker was > in the right place. So, when you are going to put the sticker on, you have to get in the car, then get someone to put the cover on in the right place, while you line it up ?? Think not boyo I thought you had a good suggestion till now >>>Haven't seen any of those yet, but it sounds interesting >>>There may be a regulation passed where any cover has to have a clear [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >up ?? >Think not boyo I thought you had a good suggestion till now Nope, you just take the sticker OFF where it was and replace it. Seems easy to me,,a no brainer some would say. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. > Failure to display registration plates on a vehicle parked in > a public throroughfare; or perhaps parking a unregistered vehicle in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the vehicle. Or it's cover if you prefer! If the vehicle with the > sticker is there a couple of days later, it's impounded. Get your facts right Bernd old boy Ve do not liff in Chermany How does your parking officer with his / her large day-glo stickers know that the vehicle is unregistered so that they can stick one on merrily , Would you leave your BMW directly under a tree which has bird sh.t piled under it all day ?? I don't think so, you are entitled to cover it up and entitled to come back to your covered vehicle and find it and its cover in one piece, not with knife cuts all over it and left in shreds after the wind has got under it. I have another bit about your mention of unregistered vehicles, What do the Police and councils do when there is a car left on the side of any road with a "For Sale" notice on it ? Absolutely f.ck all. >> Failure to display registration plates on a vehicle parked in >> a public throroughfare; or perhaps parking a unregistered vehicle in [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > any road with a "For Sale" notice on it ? > Absolutely f.ck all. If it's parked legally, what do you expect us to do? There's no offence to have a for sale sign on your car and leave it at the side of the road. Spooky >>> Failure to display registration plates on a vehicle parked in >>> a public throroughfare; or perhaps parking a unregistered vehicle in >>> a public thoroughfare... something of that comes to mind as being >>> suitably-severe offences. >>> Around here, you get a very large, dayglo orange sticker placed on >>> the vehicle. Or it's cover if you prefer! If the vehicle with the >>> sticker is there a couple of days later, it's impounded. >> Get your facts right Bernd old boy Ve do not liff in Chermany How >> does your parking officer with his / her large day-glo stickers >> know that the vehicle is unregistered so that they can stick one >> on merrily , Happens in WA. Get over it. A car that appears "abandoned" will be stickered within a few (working) hours around here. It is considered "abandoned" if registration details aren't visible and therefore ownership isn't clear. >> Would you leave your BMW directly under a tree which has bird >> sh.t piled under it all day ?? Do you habitually park your BMW in a pile of sh.t for camouflage? >> I don't think so, you are entitled to cover it up and entitled to >> come back to your covered vehicle and find it and its cover in >> one piece, not with knife cuts all over it and left in shreds >> after the wind has got under it. Knife cuts would be criminal damage, wouldn't it? Vehicle registration details can be obtained without damage to the cover. Sheesh. >> I have another bit about your mention of unregistered vehicles, >> What do the Police and councils do when there is a car left on >> the side of any road with a "For Sale" notice on it ? >> Absolutely f.ck all. >If it's parked legally, what do you expect us to do? There's no >offence to have a for sale sign on your car and leave it at the >side of the road. Technically speaking; it's illegal in W.A.; if it's not on private property. Police and local authorities don't usually bother with "for sale" notices sticky-taped inside the side windows. Councils also issue infringements with vehicles displayed for sale on their verges. IIRC, it's a $2000 fine. Sandgropers should keep that in mind if they think that the ranger won't be called out on a weekend, especially at some intersections which have become unlawful sale yards... Police may request removal of cars displayed (for sale or not) on private property when they are creating a distraction to passing traffic. Signature/"\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | I'm a .signature virus! X against HTML mail | Copy me into your ~/.signature / \ and postings | to help me spread! > If it's parked legally, what do you expect us to do? There's no > offence to have a for sale sign on your car and leave it at the side of > the road. Curiously, in the city of Moreland in Melbourne there is, as someone reported finding out to their expense in melb.general a while ago. >> I have another bit about your mention of unregistered vehicles, >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Spooky Sorry Spooky, but the rules in NSW are obviously different to Vic, the local councils will book you for having a "For Sale" notice on your car, whether it is parked or mobile >> Failure to display registration plates on a vehicle parked in >> a public throroughfare; or perhaps parking a unregistered vehicle in [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Get your facts right Bernd old boy Ve do not liff in Chermany He lives in Perth, smart arse! > I have another bit about your mention of unregistered vehicles, > > What do the Police and councils do when there is a car left on the > side of any road with a "For Sale" notice on it ? > Absolutely f.ck all. I gather you live either in a slum or a ghetto! >>> Failure to display registration plates on a vehicle parked in >>> a public throroughfare; or perhaps parking a unregistered vehicle in [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > I gather you live either in a slum or a ghetto! Ve Vill talk to you lateron >>>> DJ! <derek@ausmicro.com> wrote in >>>> news:pctt11le2d1pi1ka0d5d56i9hiro93v3pb@ [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > The I will see you in court Spooky if it ever eventuates Do your best :))))))))))))))))))))))))) >>> A parking officer is only allowed to touch a vehicle so that he/she can >>> place the notice under the wiper blade, even then, they don't have to [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > who damages my cover , he should wait till the owner comes back and > removes ROFLMAO...........:))))))))))))))))))))) Spooky >> Laugh all you like Spooky, >> I will go by technicalities as you do and I will beat any parking officer [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Spooky Love it when you laugh Spooky, it makes those double chins disappear >>> Laugh all you like Spooky, >>> I will go by technicalities as you do and I will beat any parking [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Love it when you laugh Spooky, it makes those double chins disappear Or more than likely, the double chins get bigger. All said and done Spooky, I would like to catch up with you for a beer, but I don't drink, maybe a coffee >>>> Laugh all you like Spooky, >>>> I will go by technicalities as you do and I will beat any parking [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > All said and done Spooky, I would like to catch up with you for a beer, > but I don't drink, maybe a coffee Yeh, I don't drink either. Perhaps a PepsiMax :)))) Spooky > Yeh, I don't drink either. Perhaps a PepsiMax :)))) I went off that a while back. The aspartame was making me sick. Saxbys diet ginger beer and creaming soda are not bad. :-) Most of the diet soft drinks from P&N are aspartame free... SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. >>Yeh, I don't drink either. Perhaps a PepsiMax :)))) > > I went off that a while back. The aspartame was making me sick. Not surprised aspartame is bad stuff. > Saxbys diet ginger beer and creaming soda are not bad. :-) > > Most of the diet soft drinks from P&N are aspartame free... I hate "diet" soft drinks they don't taste anywhere near as good as the good ol full of suger soft drinks. :-) But I usually drink filtered water or tea or coffee. SignatureRegards Dan "In all of us there is a lawless side like a wild beast, that peers out during sleep" - Jim Steinman >> Yeh, I don't drink either. Perhaps a PepsiMax :)))) > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Most of the diet soft drinks from P&N are aspartame free... OK, I'll ask.. What is the sweetner used? There sort of has to be one due the CO2 effect(carbolic acid.) SignatureToby quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur > What is the sweetner used? Well, sweetner 951 is aspartame, and always has the phenylalanine warning. Pepsi Max also contains 950. <http://www.soil-health.org.nz/pastissues/julyaug04/labelwatch%20.htm> Did some googling... 950 - acesulphame potassium 952 - calcium or sodium cyclamate 954 - saccharin 955 - sucralose 961 - BUGGER, BUGGER, BUGGER - "neotame" - a more potent version of aspartame, but without the phenylalanine warning. That's the end of the Saxby's stuff - they both have neotame. :-( Most of the P&N stuff appears to have 952 plus 954 &/or 955. I'll have to recheck the ones that we don't have ATM. I don't think that any of them had 961, but one of their colas does have 951. SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. >> What is the sweetner used? > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > have to recheck the ones that we don't have ATM. I don't think that > any of them had 961, but one of their colas does have 951. :-) Ya know, I reckon the real-deal is that all of the artificial stuff mentioned is *cheaper* than the usual buggered-about-with sugar. (The white 'purified' stuff with the large cubic crystals, I mean) It's a shame the internet wasn't about in force when the sh.t-stir on white sugar was on circa 1074, stuff about that wee battle is a bit hard to some by on the net. Here's a link for when you're not busy. About the fabled and long-time-coming left handed sugar. http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.11/newsugar.html?pg=1&topic=&topic_set= Or <http://tinyurl.com/s7oe> Very entertaining story. SignatureToby quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur >> Yeh, I don't drink either. Perhaps a PepsiMax :)))) >I went off that a while back. The aspartame was making me sick. >Saxbys diet ginger beer and creaming soda are not bad. :-) >Most of the diet soft drinks from P&N are aspartame free... That makes more sense. Petrochemicals go in the car; not the mouth. Signature/"\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | I'm a .signature virus! X against HTML mail | Copy me into your ~/.signature / \ and postings | to help me spread! maybe there's really a bomb under the covers and the cop isn't stupid enough to bother uncovering it! > Would appreciate feedback on this one: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > CAMS http://clubduh.com/cam > OzDJ@clubduh.com > Would appreciate feedback on this one: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > CAMS http://clubduh.com/cam > OzDJ@clubduh.com Just take the plates with you, if the cops say anything claim they were stolen and wear the fine for no rego sticker. >> Would appreciate feedback on this one: >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Just take the plates with you, if the cops say anything claim they were > stolen and wear the fine for no rego sticker. That's fine, but then we'd just towe it away to a holding yard and wait for the owner to contact us :)))))))))))))))))))))) Spooky > Would appreciate feedback on this one: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Surely this is illegal? I mean, what would stop thousands of passenger > car drivers doing the exact same thing? Anybody is entitled to place a cover over their vehicle. But, any law enforcement officer in the execution of their duty, is entitled to peek under the cover. Spooky > any law enforcement officer in the execution of their duty, is > entitled to peek under the cover. Peek under my cover and I'll poke 'em in the eye with a blunt stick. :-) SignatureTake care, Feral >> any law enforcement officer in the execution of their duty, is >> entitled to peek under the cover. > > Peek under my cover and I'll poke 'em in the eye with a blunt stick. :-) Much ado abut VERY little :P >>> any law enforcement officer in the execution of their duty, is >>> entitled to peek under the cover. >> >> Peek under my cover and I'll poke 'em in the eye with a blunt stick. :-) >> > Much ado abut VERY little :P Hmmmm, OK Freud. :-P SignatureTake care, Feral >Would appreciate feedback on this one: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Surely this is illegal? I mean, what would stop thousands of passenger >car drivers doing the exact same thing? Council employed parking inspectors, depending on the council by-laws framed under the appropriate Local Government Act, don't have anything like the same powers as police and probably aren't going to risk accusations of unlawful interference with a vehicle. If it's not parked in a dangerous position it's also unlikely that the police would consider it their business to intervene. If you're bigger than the parking inspector, next time you catch one about to chalk your tyre or put a notice under the wiper blade... "touch my car and I'll flatten you" will usually result in a backdown (I've seen it happen) -- which won't of course prevent the ticket from arriving in the post. I can also recall a well publicised incident, quite a few years ago, when a parking inspector parked his bike behind an off-duty cop on an expired meter, so he couldn't reverse out while he wrote the ticket. Cop declared who he was and ordered him to shift the bike (which was illegally parked). Parking inspector refused so the cop reversed his car over the bike. The newspaper story had it that no charges were laid against the cop. -- John H |
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