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Can't start Audi A6

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kodrik - 09 Jan 2005 02:19 GMT
I have a 1995 audi A6, never had a problem starting it. Yesterday, it was
hard starting it, as if the battery was almost dead. I thought I had left
the light on and drove it to recharge the battery, when I tried to restart
it, it did it again, a very very weak starting as if the battery was almost
dead.
This morning, nothing, it's not even trying. Brought the battery to be
tested at Auto-Zone at it has a full charge.
Anybody can help me figure out what the problem is please?

Thank You
JimV - 09 Jan 2005 02:30 GMT
> I have a 1995 audi A6, never had a problem starting it. Yesterday, it was
> hard starting it, as if the battery was almost dead. I thought I had left
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Thank You

Do the lights work? Do they dim when you try to start it? Could be the
starter, bad connection, or Autozone might be wrong about your battery.
kodrik - 09 Jan 2005 02:43 GMT
Yes, the lights, evertying electric in the car, even the high beams, work
fine, just it doesn't seem anything is trying to make the engine turn (I
know nothing about mechanics). The car even says "OK" as if everything is
fine. Yesterday, it was at least struggling to start, but today nothing.
JimV - 09 Jan 2005 04:08 GMT
> Yes, the lights, evertying electric in the car, even the high beams, work
> fine, just it doesn't seem anything is trying to make the engine turn (I
> know nothing about mechanics). The car even says "OK" as if everything is
> fine. Yesterday, it was at least struggling to start, but today nothing.

I'd guess it's either a bad starter or a bad start relay.
Boy - 09 Jan 2005 06:58 GMT
> Yes, the lights, evertying electric in the car, even the high beams, work
> fine, just it doesn't seem anything is trying to make the engine turn (I
> know nothing about mechanics). The car even says "OK" as if everything is
> fine. Yesterday, it was at least struggling to start, but today nothing.

start with the starter terminal as JimV said then look again at the battery.
How old is the battery. A battery may have enough volts to run lights but
not enough umph to turn a starter. My experience being, my battery, 1 year
old, went TU in my Suzuki and the dealer said it spark tested out fine. Yes
it did run the lights but when I tested the cells with a hygrometer two were
US. Dealer had to eat humble pie and fit new one.
kodrik - 09 Jan 2005 19:08 GMT
The battery is over 4 years old (sept 2000). Where is the starter terminal?
Should I try to jump start it? Will did help me narrow down the
possiblilities if it works or not.
Although, the battery indicator is now dead on 12 volts (halfway up the
meter), it can swear it used to be 3/4 up before.

Thank you a lot for your help.
daytripper - 09 Jan 2005 19:38 GMT
>The battery is over 4 years old (sept 2000). Where is the starter terminal?
>Should I try to jump start it? Will did help me narrow down the
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>
>Thank you a lot for your help.

An over-4-year-old battery is likely on its last legs.
And I wouldn't trust an Autozone salesdroid to know how to actually cell-check
and load-test a battery.

Has the weather gotten cold very recently - like the last few days?
Old batteries often go to Heaven on the first good cold snap...
Dave LaCourse - 09 Jan 2005 20:05 GMT
>An over-4-year-old battery is likely on its last legs.
>And I wouldn't trust an Autozone salesdroid to know how to actually
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>Has the weather gotten cold very recently - like the last few days?
>Old batteries often go to Heaven on the first good cold snap...

I agree.  Probably an old geezer battery.  But/however, have you checked the
battery connections?  Any corrosion?  Need to be cleaned?  A bad connection
there is enough to give you power to all accessories, but not enough umph to
start the car.  Try it.  If nothing happens, buy a new battery.  People usually
turn their noses up to going to Sears, but they do have a good battery
reputations.

Dave
kodrik - 09 Jan 2005 21:43 GMT
Yes, the weather has changed pretty fast. It has been raining and cold
(even snow) for the last few days, which is unusual since I live in Vegas.
In short, the big weather change was colder and much more humid.

Before I go buy a battery, should I buy jumper cables and try jump
starting it or will it make no difference in telling me if the starter or
alternator is dead?
daytripper - 09 Jan 2005 23:24 GMT
>Yes, the weather has changed pretty fast. It has been raining and cold
>(even snow) for the last few days, which is unusual since I live in Vegas.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>starting it or will it make no difference in telling me if the starter or
>alternator is dead?

Buy a battery. Yours is toast...
kodrik - 09 Jan 2005 23:41 GMT
I got jumper cables and tried to jump the car. Connected it undr the hood
where there is a "+" sign (the battery itself is under the rear passenger
seat.

The battery meter went up to about 16v (from 12v) and I still couldn't
start the car, it wasn't even trying to start. Does this rule out the
battery as the cause of the problem?

What's left? alternator or starter (don't know what they are or where they
are)
dave - 10 Jan 2005 11:51 GMT
>From: "kodrik" kodrik@atgmail.dotcom
>I got jumper cables and tried to jump the car. Connected it undr the hood
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>What's left? alternator or starter (don't know what they are or where they
>are)

The alternator should not stop the engine from starting, but it may cause the
battery not to charge up while the engine is running.

I must have missed the original post so excuse me if I ask questions that have
been answered.

Are you saying that you turn the ign. key to start and the engine does not
crank or turn over?
Is this an automatic with a neutral safety switch?
Or a manual transmission with possibly a clutch pedal safety switch?
Maybe you have an alarm problem, if so equipped, causing the starter not to
function.  You might have to go directly to the starter and jump the
solenoid's energizer terminal to test the starter independent of the ign.
switch.
Can you turn the engine over by hand.....ummm with a wrench!  ;-)

BTW if it has a manual transmission then you could possibly push start it.

Or are you saying that the starter works, the engine cranks over but does not
start?
Do you hear the fuel pump running?  Might be fuel pump relay.
Might be an ign. problem, maybe the engine speed sensor if so equipped, or ???

Good luck with it!

later,
dave
(One out of many Daves)
kodrik - 12 Jan 2005 16:58 GMT
I wish I could do all that but it took me over an hour to even find the
battery, which was under the back seat. I have no clue where the starter
or the alternator are, and I wouldn't probably be able to identify the
solenoid if I found them, even less jump it.

I tried, I would love to know my car better but I guess I have to take
little steps at a time. So I am having it towed to a garage so they can do
their thing.

Thanks for your help and advice
Christoph Bollig - 14 Jan 2005 11:54 GMT
> I wish I could do all that but it took me over an hour to even find the
> battery, which was under the back seat. I have no clue where the starter
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> little steps at a time. So I am having it towed to a garage so they can do
> their thing.

Would still be interested to know what they figure out.

Christoph
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kodrik - 09 Jan 2005 21:43 GMT
Yes, the weather has changed pretty fast. It has been raining and cold
(even snow) for the last few days, which is unusual since I live in Vegas.
In short, the big weather change was colder and much more humid.

Before I go buy a battery, should I buy jumper cables and try jump
starting it or will it make no difference in telling me if the starter or
alternator is dead?
Aksel - 10 Jan 2005 13:50 GMT
> Yes, the weather has changed pretty fast. It has been raining and cold
> (even snow) for the last few days, which is unusual since I live in Vegas.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> starting it or will it make no difference in telling me if the starter or
> alternator is dead?

Try to borrow the cables, a decent set with electronic protection ia about
same price as a battery.

Greetings Aksel
BillyRay - 09 Jan 2005 21:21 GMT
If the voltmeter now reads only 12 volts I would suspect something might be
wrong with the alternator and/or the voltage regulator.  That being said
most cars will crank and start as long as they have 10+ volts.

I have seen two batteries the past 33 years that tested as acceptable that
were actually bad.  Both failed within a month of installation and battery
replacement cured the problem.

As far as AutoZone employee skills it doesn't take much to load test a
battery.  You hook the tester up, set for battery capacity, and push the
start button.   The test itself runs itself automatically on any tester
manufactured in the past 20 years or so

> The battery is over 4 years old (sept 2000). Where is the starter
> terminal?
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Thank you a lot for your help.
LIW - 09 Jan 2005 07:11 GMT
> Yes, the lights, evertying electric in the car, even the high beams, work
> fine, just it doesn't seem anything is trying to make the engine turn (I
> know nothing about mechanics). The car even says "OK" as if everything is
> fine. Yesterday, it was at least struggling to start, but today nothing.

Borrow a good battery from another car, and try it.  If it starts, then it
was your battery after all.   If it doesn't then it is likely a starter
relay in my limited experience
Aksel - 09 Jan 2005 15:00 GMT
>I have a 1995 audi A6, never had a problem starting it. Yesterday, it was
> hard starting it, as if the battery was almost dead. I thought I had left
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Thank You

Can nbe either battery or
KWS - 10 Jan 2005 16:59 GMT
I'm not that familiar with the Audi starter, but if it is like most other
starters, the most likely cause of failure is the solenoid.

When you attempt to start the car, do you hear a "click" sound? Also, have
you had instances where you would get the "click" sound, try again and have
the car start?

If so, you are probably looking at worn solenoid contacts. In some starters,
you can replace the contacts and be back in business. When you think about
it:  other than the few seconds that the starter is turning the engine, it's
sitting there idle. This is what we call "low duty cycle" operation. Things
like bearings and brushes don't get nearly as much wear as the solenoid that
has to conduct a hundred amps or more whenever you turn the engine over.

Ken

> >I have a 1995 audi A6, never had a problem starting it. Yesterday, it was
> > hard starting it, as if the battery was almost dead. I thought I had left
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Can nbe either battery or
 
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